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Why didn't humanity care for drawing as much as they did for sculpting and writing in the past? I believe we would have gotten full mangas of legends and deities ike the Epic of Gilgamesh, Zeus, Samson, King Arthur, etc.., instead of short poems and weird doodles

>> No.3977421

>>3977415
Paper was very expensive and picture storytelling takes more pages than writing. Plus if made a 'comic' for the old epics, how would it get replicated? There would only be one good copy the rest would be artistically derivative.
People had shit painted on walls and tapestries and the like all the time, but there was no feasible way to make a big picture book.

>> No.3977427

>>3977421
So on top of the replicability issue, it wasn't something you could just practice for entertainment huh. Well that makes sense. And once drawing became available to everyone it probably didn't take long for the fundies to be standard

>> No.3977429

>>3977415
loomis didnt exist back then

>> No.3977430

why am i imagining medieval /ic/

>perspective doth be the quitenssential crablonios!
>the oriental style is most triumph page

>> No.3977596

This is a little bit complicated question. What would you define as 'the past'? The past 3000 years? 1000? 500?

The ancient Egyptians cared for drawing, as they made papyrus rolls with beautiful drawings on them in ink. In the Middle Ages they certainly cared for drawing as well, as shown in the many beautiful illustrations in old bibles, prayer books and manuscripts. In China, Japan and India they also cared for drawings. Plenty of examples can be found throughout history and in various cultures.

What are the limiting factors?
- Not every culture had readily access to the technology and raw materials to fabricate paper-like materials like papyrus or vellum.
- The production of these materials, and the cost of producing artworks on them was costly, so it was mostly for the rich, or for religious purposes.

People in the Middle Ages were somehow aware of certain aspects of the 'comic strip', like speech bubbles, frames and such:

Egerton Genesis Picture Book
https://blogs.bl.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2014/01/a-medieval-comic-strip.html

Medieval speech bubbles
https://medievalbooks.nl/2015/01/23/medieval-speech-bubbles/

Bayeux Tapestry
https://www.bayeuxmuseum.com/en/the-bayeux-tapestry/

But due to the limiting factor of production, it never really had the possibility to grow into its own art form until the development of cheap materials that could be produced in large quantities.

>> No.3977614

>>3977596
How'd they draw humans without Loomis though?

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>>3977596
Whenever I post too many links in one post I never get any responses and have no idea if it was just ignored.
Wanted to say I'm reading through these and they're legit interesting, thank you guy

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3977974

>>3977614
I found Medieval Loomis.

>> No.3978280

>>3977415
Hmmm, I wonder if this relates to the preservation of paper. People cared about drawing since 40k BC, you dolt

>> No.3978368

>>3977974
Well fuck me would you look at that shit right there.

>> No.3978470

>>3977596
Whew they were better than 99% of /ic/. It really was their style. Humans look wonky but the clothes are perfectly drawn for the most part

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3978510

>>3977974
There's an old art book by a Japanese guy that constructs stuff like this. Interesting stuff, but total meme method, only useful for composition and not for learning drawing btw.

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3978585

Since we're posting cool old drawings on how to draw, I've been blown away by Paolo Uccello's wireframe vase drawing ever since I saw it in art school. This was drawn in the 15th century. Using proper quads even then.

>> No.3978741

>>3978585
I assume verts and quads were based on real life stuff so it makes sense I guess. Still weird because we associate it with computers.

>> No.3978759

The ancient Greeks believed sculpting was the the most important form of art. Probably because they could build large lifesize scultpures of important people and their gods for public monuments, and it seemed to last forever unless they were melted down or destroyed, whereas drawing and painting was like house decoration. The Romans took this a step further and use sculpture as public propaganda art.