/vent/ thread

[Anonymous No.3952732]

for any art related vents you want to get off your chest

[Anonymous No.3952736]

Starting the long journey of learning art has permanently decreased my ability to get enjoyment out of 90% of the art I see

But hey I can draw an anatomically correct figure!

[Anonymous No.3952774]

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.3952779]

>>3952732
I'm not good!

[Anonymous No.3952796]

>>3952732
I have a deep fear that all the things I'm learning will be useless or I'll forget them after I'm doing practicing. I want to be able to draw my own stuff but I fear that I won't be able to, as I'm a /beg/ and all the stuff that I draw are practice and nothing else. I want to make my own oc's and shit but it's been a year since I started and I've never drew anything original in that time just practice.

[Anonymous No.3952798]

>>3952796
don't worry so much, just doodle something and have fun

[Anonymous No.3952800]

>>3952732
I miss the kmj guy doing the vent threads

[Anonymous No.3952813]

I eant to kill the acrylic painter attentionwhore

[Anonymous No.3952821]

>>3952796
Practice is good and all but you really gotta do some drawings on your own where you try applying what you've learnt. Even if it looks shite, try figuring out what exactly you where struggling with and focus your practice then on that. Helps getting out of your comfort zone as well

[Anonymous No.3952847]

I need to spend more time studying fundamentals if I wanna keep improving any further, I try to ignore it but it's really weighing on me. Even now I'm postponing it for no reason. I think it's because I'm dealing with some other big problems in life right now so I want to sort them out first, but I think that's a pathological excuse for myself.

[Anonymous No.3952851]

Do you ever get to the point of the drawing where you've mapped out everything, all the creative decisions and significant challenges are out of the way.. and everything else is just a chore. Just various things to get done for the drawing to be finished. I hate that part

[Anonymous No.3952887]

I kinda I feel like I'm ngmi. Maybe I should be a programmer or get a trade or something. I already know a bit of c++ and python.

[Anonymous No.3952891]

>>3952732
I haven't drawn at all in 4 days, and haven't seriously studied in at least a week, and the past two days when the motivation to draw finally hits it's the end of the day and I'm dead tired.
I'm getting frustrated drawing anyways. I'm beginner as fuck so I can't draw anything. It feels pointless to attempt interesting things if I can't even satisfy my bare minimum standards. I can have fun doodling ellipses for maybe 15 minutes, but that's just ellipses.

[Anonymous No.3952898]

TOO MUCH to leRN Ahhhh

-figure drawing
-anatomy of the arms
-faces
-facial muscles

and then theres multiple ways to study the things i mentioned

i only do 1 thing a daymas a result

[Anonymous No.3952901]

>>3952898
At least you're doing something

[Anonymous No.3952916]

I can't get anything great out, i keep making mediocre sketches that don't lead anywhere. Is this progress or should I just take a break?... Even my last year's stuff looks better than what I've been putting out lately

[Anonymous No.3952923]

>>3952916
Damn, I'm going through the exact same shit. I feel stuck

[Anonymous No.3952972]

>mastered cel shading
>don't know how to blend for shit
Help. How the fuck do I make my brushes work like this? I'm using CSP. Practice makes perfect?

[Anonymous No.3952975]

>>3952732
I've already made it several times over but because I'm just paranoid that any newfound attention will get me stalked online or traced back to my weird porn I used to make when I was 15 I've deleted/abandoned 4 blogs where I used to make art for weird niches and fanbases. Now I draw for fun and I dont get even a sixth of the attention I used to get but I'm so happy I'm doing what I want because I dont have to worry about anything original getting attention

[Anonymous No.3952990]

>>3952972
blog?

[Anonymous No.3952992]

I can't move my hand
My wrist hurts, my thumb especially hurts, moving my other fingers gives me this weird numb feeling

I still have 4 exams left, I can't even draw fuck

[Anonymous No.3953033]

>>3952990
Its Derekireba, 90% of his work is patreon-only and its po*ies.

[Anonymous No.3953038]

>>3952972
I have the same problem. Cel shaded is my comfort zone. I'm watching as much art process in youtube and twitter as I can right now so I could at least understand how painterly style works

[Anonymous No.3953059]

>>3952851
Yes. It's the pareto distribution of things, the initial 20% will be 80% of the fun and soul, the remaining 80% will be the final 20% polish and it will suck.

Most of my drawings are done in my mind by the time I finish sketching, and I lose all motivation to go on.

My take is: unless you need to publish it for something specific, leave it as a sketch.
If you want to make finished pieces nevertheless, then set up a project, giving those pieces some purpose and an excuse to finish them.

[Anonymous No.3953457]

>Join a meh uni so I can study art in my free time while collecting paychecks from sponsor
>uni all of a sudden starts blasting up the charts
>suddenly in the top 30 worldwide
>all the courses get changed, everything is more demanding than the last years
>no time to draw
this wasn't the plan

[Anonymous No.3953522]

>draw something
>looks great, feel content with yourself
>go for a 1h lunch break
>come back, look at the drawing
>hate it

[Anonymous No.3953556]

literally how the fuck can you enjoy art while being bad at it unless you are 10?
i dont get it

[Anonymous No.3953580]

>>3953556

Draw 10 year old lolis

[Anonymous No.3953608]

>>3953556
You gain enjoyment from progress rather than the result itself.

How can you be this dense?

[Anonymous No.3953625]

I deleted my (mildly) lewd Twitter, a couple people have noticed already and wrote posts about it. I just kept it for fun and I had my reasons to delete it but I feel a bit sad that I let people down. If I deleted my main blog I'm sure nobody in the world would even notice.

[Anonymous No.3953649]

>>3953608
>last week i was shit
>now im slightly less shit
unless its "good" in my eyes then its all the same

[Anonymous No.3953728]

>>3953649
That feeling of improvement makes most people giddy. Maybe you'd get better faster if you didn't think the way you do

[Anonymous No.3953734]

>>3952774
a...aaa....aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.3953735]

made a discords ... joined 4 servers ... no one is talking. No one wants to talk. Fuck this I'm going to make myself known on social media and have friends who will help me get good by being harsh assholes. I feel too old to play these games.

[Anonymous No.3953749]

not having an art mentor makes everything so hard because no matter how hard i try to study different things i don't ever improve but i'm broke and live in the middle of nowhere so i'll never get one i should just give up but i've been doing this for years and years and years i must have autism or something REEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.3953775]

>>3953735
It's friday night, even artists are busy doing normie shit.

[Anonymous No.3954115]

>can't make vent art because I'll just become more frustrated when I can't draw to my expectations
I can't do anything right

[Anonymous No.3954121]

>>3953649
Compare yourself not to the others but to yourself from the past.

[Anonymous No.3954210]

Im at the point where my art isn't like fuckin terrible but people will only give likes on twitter out of fucking pity. Gotta keep going but it's frustrating as all hell.

[Anonymous No.3954275]

>>3953649
Don’t attach value to your results but your growth, if you enjoy the process and accept your shortcomings you’ll get better.

[Anonymous No.3954402]

I'm a beginner but I'm worried about my arm, for three days now it tickles, stings, sometimes it feels hot, rarely cold, there's been a stringy feeling, tendons I guess, wrist pain, I've even got bruises on the skin, right where ligaments are, I want to draw but what the hell is this.
This will sounds like rambling but the human body is so fragile, "trash", if only my arms were made of a real material, plastic, metal, electronics, I wouldn't have to suffer from this, now I wonder if I'll be able to go on and how much I have to wait.

[Anonymous No.3954407]

>>3954402
My man just look at how you spend your time and how you could improve it to take better care of that arm. Draw for many hours in a row? Set a timer to take 15m breaks. Don't exercise? Write up a simple easy routine to do daily. Think of arm position, how you're sitting, related causes like maybe spending many hours a day clicking mouse with the same arm etc.

Also about your material sentiment, the thing is plastic metal and electronics don't repair and improve themselves (yet)

[Anonymous No.3954411]

>>3954402
Actually first and foremost you should go to a doctor.

[Anonymous No.3954412]

>>3954407
I was doing an hour so maybe I needed a break, what I think may have been the problem is either a badly done exercise or the fact that I kept my arm tense due to being unfamiliar with drawing from the shoulder.
The technology is not there yet, you're right, it's just a shame, we deserve better than the flesh.

[Anonymous No.3954415]

>>3954411
Soon, I don't have the time or courage to go

[Anonymous No.3954419]

>>3954415
just go
I went on a slight worry only to find out I couldn't even close my fingers around my thumb

[Anonymous No.3954428]

I’ve been drawing for 4 years but am behind most people. I blame this on my stubbornness and generally being a fucking headass in my teenage years

I feel like I have no future in terms of a career with drawing but I still want to do it, enough so that I spend every day mostly doing art even though I’m in a (mostly) non art college

Should I go welfare mode? I don’t need much and the state of California may consider me rrtarded (autism)

[Anonymous No.3954530]

>>3954275
This is very good advice, I'll try to keep it in my mind. Also most important is enjoying what you're doing, learn to love the subject/technique and you'll improve.

[Anonymous No.3954543]

>>3954428
4 years of dabbling on your own is nothing. I recommend you watching Will Terry videos on YouTube, may give you some insight. Overall if you want to seriously improve you need a good instructor, I'd invest in a reputable online school or get a mentor that is pro artist.

Being a neet is a hell and I think a very small part of people would be motivated enough to make it when they're safely supported and don't have any threat. On the other hand you could use this money for learning art. Think about it carefully because it's just human nature to not push yourself when you don't have to and you'll start hating yourself for it.

[Anonymous No.3954544]

>>3952732
I'm just starting out, and realizing how fucking terrible I am at drawing. I'm also a little excited to really delve into learning/practicing so I can watch myself improve, but right now its like standing at the bottom of Mt Everest

[Anonymous No.3954553]

>>3954543
Thanks for the advice anon. I usually hate watching YouTube shit about art but I’ll check it out on my downtime. I practice basically every day for most of the day during summers so I don’t think NEET mode would be a problem, especially since I’ve been working on cutting shit like video games and anime out of my life for the past year
>make it
I’m sorry, what does this mean though? Society has always rejected me, am I supposed to try and appease them by drawing the hip new Nintendo characters on twitter now?
Not trying to be a condescending dick, I just have no interest in serving a decadent world

[Anonymous No.3954573]

>>3952732
What is the minimum amount of time I can dedicate to art each day and still be productive? I want to improve but I find the process of practicing to be agonizing so I want to start by doing least amount I can each day and still accomplish something.

[Anonymous No.3954582]

>>3954573
This is backwards thinking. You probably know yourself the more is better but you try to run away from that. What about start with 15 minutes and build up gradually while learning to actually like drawing? I personally prefer working on practice stuff for 2-3-4 hours and change subject, I can work more without getting worn out on more personal pieces. Combining practice with your personal work will lead to keeping an interest and therefore improving more. Good luck

[Anonymous No.3954583]

>>3954543
>Being a neet is a hell
Ain't that the truth. Even just summer break from uni destroys me. The lack of social interaction is killer.

[Anonymous No.3954593]

>>3952732
Why the fuck is the thing you want most of all the hardest to do? It's not even colour or rendering. Just lineart.

[Anonymous No.3954601]

>>3952972
Ngl, this actually just looks like a lot of hours of hard round and eyedropping. As much as it has been parroted lately, I don't see any evidence of other brushes used. A soft edge brush (not necessarily a full-soft airbrush) looks like it was occasionally used to blend into gradations, but otherwise it looks dead simple. No brush textures. No non-circle brush tips. Nothing. Just a lot of hard round color dumping and soft round blending for hours.

[Anonymous No.3954602]

why can't I just kill myself already, I'm completely undeserving of anything, I don't deserve friends and I don't deserve attention for my art. I have no future and I don't deserve one anyways. I wish slitting my wrists wouldn't make me look like a freak because I want to do that so fucking bad
any German anons that wanna earn a couple hundred bucks? just shove me in front of a train, I'll stay super close to the edge so it's easier. I don't care about inconveniencing anyone anymore

[Anonymous No.3954610]

Can I get a job? Will I get get a job?

[Anonymous No.3954687]

>>3954627
>>3954633
>>3954638
kill me brehs

[Anonymous No.3954706]

>>3954593
Because you care too much and get spotlight anxiety, questioning your every move because you want the outcome to be positive very badly, but this only hurts your confidence and you end up with an uncertain mess. You just need to let go of any expectations for yourself and just play, find the natural pace/rhythm that gives you your best results. Don't feel like you need or should do something, go purely off how well it pleases your own eye. If you're not pleasing yourself, make a million different attempts until you start to see patterns that do please you. It's all trial and error; it's not like one day you're just going to start getting it. It's a very gradual process, and if you do it right, the confidence will sneak up on you without you even realizing it, just because it starts to feel second nature to you.

Also, not to discourage you, but it never gets any easier. What you love will always be hard because you love it and want the best for/out of it. You'll always see what could be better. You just learn to be more subjective and less serious, not allowing your frustrations to block you but fuel you to do more, and you become less sensitive to hard work as you accomplish bigger things and understand your own nature/process better.

[Anonymous No.3954714]

I haven't improved in 7 years. It's because I hardly drew during that time and didn't do any studying after reaching an intermediate level and gaining some recognition because I was so proud of myself that I became complacent. Don't let this happen to you.
I started drawing again two years ago but thought I was good enough to not have to study anymore so I'm still stuck at the same level. Don't do this. I'm studying again now but I'm so afraid it won't help because maybe I've already exhausted all my potential. I'm still going to continue studying because that's better than doing nothing but I'm really impatient to see some improvements, I really hope this isn't the extent of my ability

[Anonymous No.3954715]

>>3954687

don't worry anon ... just keep going ... you will get the hang of it. I would try and find a mentor or someone more experienced to guide me.

[Anonymous No.3954771]

I feel everything i do is shit and the frustration is preventing me draw today )-)0

[Anonymous No.3954797]

this is a really fucking stupid thing but I want to draw fanart but by the time I get good enough any existing fandom will probably be all gone and no one will be interested.

At least I'll be making myself happy, right?

[Anonymous No.3954801]

I've been practicing anatomy all year and got pretty good at figure drawing and worked on muscles/shading/blocking. I can do it accurately and pretty well but when I go on about to draw something new without reference... I forget everything. I don't know what to do and where to draw. Fuck. I'm seriously retarded.

[Anonymous No.3954806]

>>3954797
Yes and that should be your prime concern. Draw what you like, the rest is secondary

[Anonymous No.3954813]

>>3954801
You have practiced observational drawing and can reproduce things now from reference, but you haven't practiced recalling/imagination sketching enough yet. You need to continue your ref practice to build up your visual memory, but also do imagination drawing afterwards to learn how to use it, and treat it as a separate skill. Don't let the sudden drop in drawing quality discourage you, that's simply how it is and you must work your way up on this front as well

[Anonymous No.3954815]

OK I need to vent about this. So I met this girl today. Introducing herself, she didn't know anything about me but decided to start out by bragging that she is a professional fashion designer who went to a good school works for a major brand in the industry, etc. Come to find out, she quit her job in February because it was too stressful to draw pictures of cute dresses which is her hobby and passion allegedly. And she hasn't found a new job since but is able to afford to live in Manhattan and basically afford anything she wants because her husband and parents just pay for her.

>Wow your drawing must be fucking amazing. Can I see your Instagram? Oh you draw like a fucking child. Nice.

Ya know, nothing against the girl personally because she was polite and stuff but we really treat women like babies in this country. I mean, this girl never had to work in her life. Things just get handed to her. Guys throw themselves at her despite no skills. She had no pressure to get good even from fashion design school and working for a major brand and she had no pressure to continue working and has no shame about talking about showing off her art. And like 1500 ppl follow her ig. Hundreds of likes and comments per drawing.

It's like... I had to study CS and IT. I had to work in warehouses with dangerous people in bad neighborhoods and power tools. I have to go to the gym. I am never allowed to express fear or weakness. I can't quit a job because no one will support me and I'll end up homeless. I haven't been with a girl in over 2 years despite a lot of effort. And I can't afford to go to art school. And it's like... I am on here busting my balls for a few hours every day. I sketch on my lunch break everyday. And I don't brag about my art. I don't introduce myself to people and say like "I'm an artist". Like a douche.

I have 68 followers and the same 2 or 3 friends are the only ones who ever like or comment on anything.

Female privilege.

[Anonymous No.3954820]

>>3954815
I understand your feelings and by and large this is true, women are pampered because the emancipation pendulum has swung too far the other way, but don't ever see yourself as a victim and go ''poor me'' because you will only defeat yourself. Always think of possible solutions and keep going after failure just like in drawing

[Anonymous No.3954828]

>>3954820
I wouldn't say I'm a victim. I think the way I did it was hard but fair. I guess I'm complaining... Not that I had to go through that but that acting like women are automatically equal when they obviously aren't held to the same standards is ridiculous.

And look obviously that's not all women. Obviously there are women who are good at drawing. I'm not saying every woman has no talent but I'm done pretending that women are held to the same standard. The ones who put in the work really impress me because they didn't have to. So if a women like that is reading this, I commend you. I just want you to acknowledge that society didn't force you. There are always 10 dudes in call waiting to jump through hoops for you. You had the option to do life the easy way and you always will. You'll never go hungry. You'll never be expected to get your hands dirty. And women do not show appreciation for what men have to do. I just want them to acknowledge reality.

[Anonymous No.3954840]

Just want to draw some fun cartoons with exaggerated proportions but I suck and as much as I keep being told to “learn the rules before you break them”( which I know is probably right ) I just can’t bring myself to care about anatomically correct and classic figure drawing. Every practice feels like a slog.

[Anonymous No.3954842]

>>3954815
I'm not a guy, I was born into a poor family and didn't have the money for college despite having good grades enough because even with financial aid I couldn't afford scraping by with a part time job and my parents couldn't support it. Now I work a physically demanding factory job, get injuries all the time, help support my parents with at least half my paycheck and draw when I have time and don't feel like dying. I don't even use social media, thus I have no followers, no friends, my family thinks my hobbies are dumb and my coworkers make fun of me for daydreaming about making cartoons instead of running my ass off for 12 hours a day.

But is that relevant to my art? Is it anyone's fault? My connections with people are my own responsibility to build. Same if I wanted an audience. Some people get lucky. Doesn't mean they are worth less than you even if you perceive yourself as more skillful or having more responsibility. Stop focusing on being a victim of The Society and work toward your goals. No one cares if you are so "humble" by avoiding calling yourself an artist that you cripple yourself socially and mentally because you're afraid of looking cringeworthy to someone. You can meme me all you want because uwu females uwu but I'm being honest because I believe it would help you immensely to stop worrying about what other people are doing and how successful they are compared to you and getting sour feelings about it.

[Anonymous No.3954849]

>>3954797
Draw that fanart you like now, anon. Right NOW. I regret not drawing what I like on my prev fandoms because I wasnt good enough before. But I eventually lost interest to the fandom and regret not participating in the community. I'm not looking for popularity points because muh fanart but it's really nice to interact with other creators who share the same interest and fandom as you

[Anonymous No.3954851]

>>3954842
you didnt read my comment or at least you didn't understand it because I addressed everything you said already just 2 comments above yours.

[Anonymous No.3954859]

>>3954851
The thread didn't update. The main point still stands. It doesn't matter who has privileges and who doesn't, you can work toward your achievements either way. The last half is a load of bollocks anyway.
>or you didn't understand it
Give me a fucking break.

[Anonymous No.3954865]

>drawing random doodles for fun
>periodically upload them

>see that I got a few likes and favorites
>check them
>the two images look exactly the same with the same pose
fuck.

[Anonymous No.3954868]

>>3954865
Yeah iktf, it's pretty easy to fall into the rhythm of 1 or 2 poses if you're not actively trying to mix them up

[Anonymous No.3954873]

>>3954865

Haha today I just realized that. I draw something nice only to go back in my folder a year ago and it's the same angle, same pose, but a different theme. I'm trying to find the remedy for this.

[Anonymous No.3954874]

>>3954868
>>3954873
at least I managed to make the arms different. But I really need to start going for new poses. Its just hard without looking at references.

[Anonymous No.3954875]

>>3954873

Also I think this happens from relying on memory too much to come up with ideas.

[Anonymous No.3954879]

>>3954859
you refuse to acknowledge the double standard. that's all i asked for.

[Anonymous No.3954880]

>>3954879
Why would I kowtow to bullshit? To placate you? Everywhere in the world does not fit into your narrow world view.

[Anonymous No.3954882]

>>3954879
Hey dickhead, I have the biggest double standard placed on an artist since Hitler. At the very least you've never had entire discords devoted to fucking with you.

Stop complaining, start thinking positive and do shit for YOU first and foremost. Spending any time on literally anything negative takes away from both your creative ability and lifelong happiness. Chase what you want or don't, but stop pissing around with such irrelevant shit as an unfair playing field. It's unfair for literally everyone one way or another.
Drunk and testy fite me

[Anonymous No.3954891]

>>3954882
>STOP COMPLAINING IN THE VENT THREAD

Fucking kill yourself. Please leave this planet. I hate you. I want you to not exist anymore.

[Anonymous No.3954897]

>>3954891
That’s not true and deep down you know that.

[Anonymous No.3954909]

>>3954891
I've gotten enough of that sentiment to be used to it. I fit in with exactly nothing people or society value or offer. I don't belong here, in a meta/ spiritual/ physical/ historical/ literal sense. But I still have a job to do. One I can count on for no one to ever understand or partake in.

If you have anything at all to offer beyond abject hate, I'm 100% at your service. It's obligatory for me circumstantially, so use it.
I can prove everything I say, can you?

[Anonymous No.3954945]

>>3954909
Get off this stupid board and get some help already jesus

[Anonymous No.3954972]

2019 marks the year I gave up.
There's no reason for me to keep trying. I can't put my heart into anything nor take a piece to completion.
I've lost the love for it, the fun in it, and nothing I do at this point will bring it back.
I'll always stick around /ic/ and twitter though, watching others move on while I fester in the bitter, self loathing hell I created for myself.
Obviously, art is only meant for certain people.

[Anonymous No.3954974]

>>3954972
how old are you for point of reference?

[Anonymous No.3954981]

>>3954972
Stop fishing for complements.

[Anonymous No.3954987]

You know when you've been up drawing all night and at around 6am you suddenly hear a cacophony of chattering magpies all going EKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKE and a moment later it's quiet again? What the fuck were they talking about, is it time for the bird invasion to begin?

[Anonymous No.3954999]

>>3954974
Late twenties.

[Anonymous No.3955009]

>>3954972
Maybe just take a break, because your drawing skills aren't bad and you are improving.

[Anonymous No.3955013]

>>3954972
You might be burnt out or your hanging around /ic/ for too long. This place is a vortex of depression. Get out and take a break from drawing and do something else. See if the desire to draw slowly creeps up again

[Anonymous No.3955038]

>>3955009
>>3955013
It's already been about two months. How much longer?

[Anonymous No.3955059]

>>3955038
Idk the root cause could be deeper than your desire to draw. Your lifestyle could be sedentary or it might be depression

[Anonymous No.3955064]

>>3952887
Do it.

What's nice about art is that you don't need formal training. Go for the trade/programming and do art in your spare time. Then you can build up a portfolio without being a starving artist and you can gmi at your own pace.

[Anonymous No.3955065]

>>3952992
DO STRETCHES YOU RETARD STOP GIVING YOURSELF CARPAL TUNNEL.

[Anonymous No.3955070]

>>3954945
My help piled books up in front of me and told me in so many words that no one could find an answer for me.

[Anonymous No.3955073]

My sister dissed me and just killed the fuck out of my motivation to draw. I don't know why I tell her about my art problems

[Anonymous No.3955078]

>>3954828
I agree and disagree.

The women who get people wanting to do All The Things for them are the pretty ones who the guys would fuck if given the opportunity and no consequences. Women don't get that benefit if the guys don't want to fuck them.

On the other hand, yes women are definitely held to a lower standard. And personally I hate it because it undermines all the hard work I put in. I won't ever truly know if any compliments my work (at my job, not art) receives are deserved or not because I'm getting treated with kid gloves and no one's going to tell me if my work is shit or not. And I can't even bring it up because then shit will get awkward. The most I can do is be as indifferent as possible and hope they take the hint eventually.

[Anonymous No.3955123]

>>3954891
Btw, hate is myopic, and entirely the fault, and chains, of the bearer.

[Anonymous No.3955134]

I've been rotting away for three fucking months not drawing because I have no motivation and my autistic brain can't find any enjoyment out of art and decides it likes vidya more, at most I've doodled for a few minutes once or twice but that's it. I want to fucking kill myself because I feel my skills decaying and my perception is fading away, so i'll need better glasses someday soon or else I'll loose the miniscule amount of eyesight I have left.

[Anonymous No.3955182]

>>3954972
I'm in my 30s now, I gave up a few years ago. But i keep trying because I'm literally unemployable and I have no other skills. I'm basically wasting my time until my life crashes.

[Anonymous No.3955197]

i don't know how you guys have the guts to make those "show your progression" image, looking at my old draws makes me want to commit seppoku out of embarassment even if nobody but me ever saw them

[Anonymous No.3955222]

>>3954972
>>3955009
>>3955013
Instead of "taking a break" why not try something new? You've got decent fundies so you can try a lot of things

Study some animals, or try some landscapes, or even flowers. It keeps you fresh and it's exciting learning something new.

[Anonymous No.3955251]

Some pretentious artsy fartsy mentally compromised metal bitch I know started overdrawing black and white photography from pinterest on her drawing tablet and is now making big money with these "photorealistic" drawings. I want to rip her fucking eyes out and skullfuck her for this. And also the fucking asshole who is promoting her plagiarism because he probably wants to fuck her too.

[Anonymous No.3955263]

>>3954999


You're still young. You wouldn't want to be 45 and look back and be like "damn I should have used those 15 years to try harder". If you have nothing else going on try to really analyze a different way of going about creating art.

[Anonymous No.3955313]

I’m losing sleep to grind fundamentals day in and out meanwhile most popular artists make soulless cashgrab art thats just tracing plus a basic semi realism render slapped over it.

I’m starting to lose my love of art.

[Anonymous No.3955337]

>>3955313
you never had love in the first place if all you care about is money and normie attention

[Anonymous No.3955343]

>>3955313
You're probably wildly overestimating how the "most popular" artists are tracing. If someone without solid drawing skills traces its completely obvious

[Anonymous No.3955473]

>>3954987
kek I know that feel

[Anonymous No.3955500]

I'd love more negative feedback but I only seem to get "blog?" comments.
Why would I just give up my anonymity?
Besides, I want the stuff I post to live/die on its own merit.

[Anonymous No.3955681]

>>3954806
>>3954849
thank you, sometimes with how fast things move on twitter it feels impossible to be noticed but I should be happy first otherwise everything will just feel miserable no matter what I do. Still not the best at interacting with other artists though

[Anonymous No.3955727]

>>3954972
I also spent many years never completing anything, and the answer is to just force yourself to finish something, even if it doesn't meet your standards at all. Managing to complete a picture will help with confidence, even if it's not good, and you'll learn what areas you need more work in. Don't give up. Try drawing some stuff for fun that you don't show anyone and don't worry about how it turns out.

[Anonymous No.3955733]

>>3955500

Post more often than others and you're bound to get people here to critically whip you. Especially if you're good.

[Anonymous No.3955764]

>>3954815
That's rich kid privilege, anon.

[Anonymous No.3955803]

>Comparing drawings from a year ago to my current notebook
>I've gotten significantly worse

Goddammit I fucking hate this shit so much. I wish I could just stop drawing and do something else, but I'm suck a fucking autist I couldn't stop myself from drawing even if I threw out all of my notebooks because then I'd just start drawing on pieces of scrap paper and post-it notes and shit. The worst part about me sucking so bad?
I draw cartoons. That's it.
I'm so fucking retarded that I can't even draw cartoons. And I've been doing this shit for almost 3 years. I feel like every time I try to study or learn something new, it just gets shoved into the back of my brain and never actually gets used because I have no fucking idea how to apply it to the shit I'm drawing. Either that, or I really am a complete sped and this is just a wake-up call. I have almost every artbook and fundie gains material ever shared on this board on my computer and it still isn't enough. I mean, why the fuck would it be if I just absolutely refuse to learn any of the shit in front of me, right?
I can't even play vidya anymore because then it just reminds me that I'll never be able to draw any of the cool shit that I'm looking at. I just feel like at this point the only thing I can do is either claw my fucking eyes out and go blind or or just die. I've had people IRL tell me to go to art school if it's fucking me up this bad, but from what I've read here and from a few artists I look up to online art school is a fucking joke. At the same time, I'm too stupid to be eligible for any of the careers I actually give a shit about, so I don't know. Maybe art school is my last chance to finally actually LEARN something.

[Anonymous No.3956491]

>make fanart of favourite artist's OC
>share on twitter
>radio silence
At this point I'd rather have her tell me she hates it

[Anonymous No.3956498]

I'm burned out on drawing and I'm also too busy to actually get into it again and its pissing me off.

[Anonymous No.3956517]

>>3956491
Do you have lewd or political shit on your account/ gallery?

[Anonymous No.3956524]

>>3952736
gmi

[Anonymous No.3956527]

>>3955803
Dude. Go take a figure drawing class or check out a book from a library. Reading shit from the computer screen is the worst.

[Anonymous No.3956544]

>>3956517
we are both NSFW artists

[Anonymous No.3956573]

>>3956544
Her Twitter might be filtered to display mutuals only notification

[Anonymous No.3956903]

Why is choosing a pose for NSFW drawings so fucking hard?

[Anonymous No.3956935]

>>3956903
>>3956544
porn, it's called porn. It's not 'NSFW', are you ashamed?

[Anonymous No.3956937]

>>3952732
I think I actually have so many negative feelings associated with drawing that I would rather work a full-time job at McDonald's than have to dedicate even two hours a day to drawing. I mean, the fact that I could at least make some money at McWagie's may be part of the equation, but still.

[Anonymous No.3957062]

I JUST WANT TO DRAW THE BEST TITTES POSSIBLE BUT I CANT YET FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[Anonymous No.3957063]

I can’t color at all.

No excuses, I just can’t

[Anonymous No.3957088]

I use the internet, including this board, as a shitty substitute for social interaction. I don't even engage with others under my artist name meaningfully. I am cripplingly shy when it comes to nonanonymous internet interactions.
If you ever want an intermediate to critique your work, I can give it a shot.

[Anonymous No.3957090]

>>3956937
Same. Queue double-u queue

[Anonymous No.3957287]

I just found out this popular artist ships an adult character with a minor, he only talks about it in his mother language so that the rest of the world doesn't find out. He changes the dialogues of his comics in english and stuff like that.
Who gives a fuck about this autism, I know, but this fucker is a lying bastard who uses his popularity to beg his fans for money since he lives in a shit country, all the while he posts selfies with an iPhone on his private insta. He's a no-talent hypocrite who talks shit behind other artists' back and then leeches off their popularity by kissing their asses in public. He also talks shit about the english-speaking fandom, funnily they make up about 90% of his 80k followers.
This is the perfect opportunity to get him involved in a massive drama but I don't know where to expose his shit, and I don't know if I should.

[Anonymous No.3957309]

>>3957287
Beware, the callout culture loves to cannibalize it's own members.

[Anonymous No.3957344]

>>3957309
Doesn't matter if you've got nothing to lose. But I'm still of the opinion lynching and witch hunts went away for good reason. That being chasing someone down with pitchforks isn't a fair trial, and personal vendettas can inflame ignorant mobs.

It's awful to sit and watch shit like this, but it ultimately takes away from your time, spending it on being annoyed.
Otoh, it's doubtful the people really like this will ever give a shit until it's thrown in their face so, your move.

[Anonymous No.3957387]

>>3957309 >>3957344
My idea is to show the screenshots and translations to some noisy sjw, the problem is I have no idea where these people are.
I'm aware this is playing dirty but I'm just sick of him getting away with his shit. Yes I know him personally, I've seen how he scams people with his poor third-world boy act, a witch-hunt would be a perfect lesson for him.

[Anonymous No.3957404]

>>3957287
Post his work

[Anonymous No.3957405]

>>3957387
Eh being in a shitty third world country, I'd probably be scummy with gullible westerners too

[Anonymous No.3957449]

>want to make a living out of my art
>Initially wanted to be a professional illustrator
>motivated by trading cards illustration, fantasy art, etc.
>at some point manga steals my heart
>not so long ago I started doing NSFW because I enjoy it, it also helps me with venting
>got a lil bit of following
>realize that NSFW market is supper accessible
>getting old, need to pay student loans for a carreer I had little to not interest in
>need to set a goal asap
>one goal (proffessional fantasy illustrator) is reachable if I take my time to study and follow through
>the other one (nsfw) is practically right next door, I could open commissions for furries right now and still be happy doing them, but the thought of doing porn til the day I die is somewhat disturbing, and I know is somewhat an self ban for some industries
>the other one (making a manga) is light years away from me, but it genuinely calls me


I don't know what to do, currently I'm neet but I've been doing studies everyday, blindly, I wish I could go for all of my goals but it feels impossible

[Anonymous No.3957455]

>>3957404
He's a really famous artist in this bigass fandom, someone might see it and warn him about my super-villain plans or something.

[Anonymous No.3957457]

>>3957449
Do furry commissions while building up your fantasy portfolio

[Anonymous No.3957459]

>>3957449
Just draw porn bro. You can always create an alias when you're ready for something else, there's no shortage of available social media accounts.

[Anonymous No.3957480]

I don't think I will ever have social media accounts or attempt to post my work online. Miss me with that Internet drama bullshit. My art will be only for my own satisfaction to be given away for free to people I trust.

[Anonymous No.3957494]

>>3957457
>>3957459

sounds like a good choice, thanks a bunch. I have a question though, is it really that bad to draw nsfw in the professional art industry? does it really closes that many doors?

>>3957480

I feel ya,I never had any drama on multiple social media platforms, but it has come to the point where I get restless if I don't get likes or retweets, so I would actually recomend this to some people

[Anonymous No.3957508]

>>3957480
Literally based

[Anonymous No.3957728]

>>3957449
If you're not 100% sure about making porn for a living, don't.

[Anonymous No.3957751]

>>3956573
Just hearing that this is an option makes me sad that some of the artists I want to draw gift art might have that on and I already sometimes beat myself up over my art.

And it's not like you can DM them on Twitter because I know there's an option to have only mutuals DM you...

I just hope the artists I like aren't super cold assholes.

[Anonymous No.3957757]

I decided to hangout with my friend until 1am today instead of draw, even though I knew I should have drawn until 1am instead. At least it was just this once

[Anonymous No.3957780]

>>3957751
>>3956573
>Twitter might be filtered to display mutuals only notification
this is great, didn't know you could do that

[Anonymous No.3957789]

>>3952732
>been grinding anatomy 24/7 for the last few months
>all enjoyment i once had at drawing is now replaced with pure cynisism

[Anonymous No.3957793]

>>3957751
>>3957780
It really depends if the artist is popular (like 10k+ followers) where they receive constant notifications and replies from their old posts so they filter the unnecessary notifs and mostly stick to those they only follow

[Anonymous No.3957932]

>feel positive and motivated for the first time in months
>try to use that feeling to draw something cool
>crack under the pressure instead
>remember that I'll always be garbage
>wonder how I ever managed to excuse feeling good about my work

secondary unrelated vent:
>watch some cartoons, decide to try out a simplified style just for fun
>easier to draw, more fun to use, lots of energy. think about how cool it would be to use it for a comic
>autistic art brain would make me feel like a lazy fraud if I decided to do things the 'easy way' so I'm not allowed to commit to using it for anything
>even if I did, people would just give me shit for copying someone else's style

[Anonymous No.3957939]

Always was the kid who drew like a madman. Studied arts for 7 years and got shredded to bits by my competition.
Thanks autism and goodbye dreams.

[Anonymous No.3957972]

I don't know how to tell my family that I don't care about my life. They want me to do art as a hobby and get a real job, but they don't understand how little I care about stability and how close I would be to killing myself without art.
Dreaming about making it as an artist is the only thing that keeps me alive, if I got a job I would last maybe a month and then off myself, I am too mentally weak to handle the stress and I have worked way too little, I'm not used to it. I don't have the strength.
I can't do both things and try with art on the side, I have to dedicate one hundred percent of my time to art, I am in my 30s now and I started late, I will never catch up by doing art as a hobby. In 8 years I have two digit followers, I have no real projects under my belt, no job experiences in art. I have only lately reached a point where I can make "good" art and put my vision on paper, but I know very well that being able to pull off a decent piece of artwork is just the beginning. It's very clear to me that I wasted too much time, and no matter how hard I work it will simply take too much time to get anywhere with art. This sort of career takes at least a decade to kick in, I don't have a decade. I will be homeless before I start earning.

I don't know what do do. Every day it's such a huge conflict I can't think straight. I think I have completely, utterly failed at life and I don't want to admit it so I'm slowly destroying myself in front of my family, being a NEET manchild that lives in the walls, working pointlessly all day on art that nobody cares about. Lucidly for the first time, I'm considering killing myself right now to spare them all the pain of seeing me waste away like this. It's clear that I will never go anywhere.
Many years ago I thought "this feels impossible, I'm too old" and I told myself to keep going. I kept going every time I had doubts. I don't really have doubts anymore, I'm not cut for this. But there's really nothing else to do for me.

[Anonymous No.3958014]

>>3957972
started art this year at 31,currently grinding loomis and fundies. If I draw and learn consistently I should be a decent artist in my 40s and have the skills to bring my ideas to life. Yeah, I understand there are kids in their early 20s who are already professionals but at this age we don't have time to dwell on that, just gotta keep grinding. You'll be fine, don't throw away your precious life anon. Get a shit job to support yourself so you don't feel like a NEET loser and keep cranking out art.

[Anonymous No.3958069]

I have a feeling that my arm is worse than it looks like, what happens if I don't manage to draw again? If I can't become someone with it?
This is unfair, when I try something, it must go wrong, why is it always like this. Damn this planet, cursed be, damn all living creatures, fuck them all. I swear I'll live for revenge if I can't fucking draw.

[Anonymous No.3958079]

>>3957972
Get a job in shifts.

I work 24 hours, then free for the next 72.
I have both the time and the money.

[Anonymous No.3958093]

>>3957972
Try working a job where you go in for a couple of weeks then have a week off. There are jobs here where you pack pills or enter data like that and also truck driving or oil field jobs are also like that.

[Anonymous No.3958110]

>>3958079
Nobody will give me a job anyway, I'm unemployable. I have health problems but I'm not maimed enough that I fit into special categories or get benefits. I don't have a degree and my resume is empty because I wasted a decade fighting against mental illness and being a living zombie from heavy medication. I am extremely antisocial and last time I got a job I had to escape mid training session, when I'm around people I feel physically sick. I'm terrible at working any kind of retail job, I'm slow and I think I'm a bit retarded, I was bad at maths in high school and I think I have low IQ.
Not even McDonald's would take someone as useless as me, and even if they did I would go insane from the stress. The closest city where I might find a job would be a 2 hour commute from where I live, so the minimum I'd be able to spend outside of home is something like 12 hours and commuting tires me out too much because I have shit health and energy levels. I know because I worked while studying and I was so incredibly tired I couldn't open a book.
Art was really the only thing I was sort of useful at, but I'm a hopeless failure at that too. I don't feel like I have a purpose to live, I don't want to have a family or make money, I'm only interested in art and although I don't want to admit it this career is out of my reach. I'm clearly unfit, you need to be a stable person with a good business sense to have this kind of career, I just like drawing a lot. Even my art feels kind of obsolete other than the fact it's not even close to professional level. What is even the point, I'm not special, I'm not precious, I don't see any value in being a gas station attendant for the rest of my life. I just think I should remove myself.

[Anonymous No.3958119]

>>3958110
I feel the same way, except my life turned out a lot better than yours. On the depression point: A drug addiction is better than being a zombie on antidepressants, as it keeps you engaged with the world and working.

[Anonymous No.3958124]

>>3952732
I fucking hate drawing on Cintiq. It's very convenient, yes, but the drawing surface is just too slippery. You don't really have any kind of grip for pencil. It sucks.

[Anonymous No.3958178]

I always want to start drawing but then I remember that I'll never be good at it and there's not enough time. I've been stuck in this mindset and cycle for years never improving at anything. I don't believe I can improve or learn anyway. I just want to draw sexy cool men honestly but I'm going to die a useless NEET. I wish I was still young and didn't care and just drew a little when I felt like it. I wish I never figured out that I'll always be worthless.

[Anonymous No.3958199]

>>3957932
that style looks dope as fuck dude just draw what you like. You can only improve.
You need to understand that grinding fundies/doing studies/etc is good and necessary, but you need to add in fun stuff to the mix to keep your spirit in it.
I doubt people will give you shit outside of this dump

[Anonymous No.3958207]

>>3957972
>whining cause you are not a wagecuck
only thing more pathetic than wagecucks

[Anonymous No.3958238]

My biggest problem is how much shit i need to learn before i can proficiently do what i want to do, and how fucking long it took me to get my head out of my ass and nut up to start taking it more seriously.
I just want to draw big muscle men, fat tiddies, and silly cartoons but i can see very clearly every mistake in anatomy and perspective that I make, just don't have the ability to fix it. Eyes are a much higher level than hands if that makes sense. Do I just need to practice practice practice until it comes natural?
I'm just stuck in an autistic over critical mindset that won't let me have fun until i am "good" so keeping to a drawing practice schedule is harder than staying on a diet back when I was a fatass. At least back then I knew what I was doing wasn't a waste of time every time I stepped on the scale. I know there must be improvement the more I do it like most things but with drawing it's not immediately apparent. Not giving this shit up tho.
There's my vent, back to loomis I go.

[Anonymous No.3958409]

>>3958110
How do you expect to be an artist if you don't push yourself?

[Anonymous No.3958437]

>>3958238
Lmao that pic is pretty hilarious. If you're serious get some kind of regular feedback from a pro, get a mentor or a teacher. Getting hold on your own is quite hard but even the best self-didacts make some silly mistakes because their education wasn't structured. You must use your practice time in a smart way, but don't go hard on yourself, allow yourself to make mistakes and have fun.

[Anonymous No.3958531]

So I posted sfw picture on my tumblr blog and it got flagged as nsfw out of all things that i posted there before, I appealed it but it got like 10 likes, this shit is ridiculous, does it disappear from my followers' dashboard?

[Anonymous No.3958638]

>>3957728

why not anon?

[Anonymous No.3958810]

>>3958238
>I just want to draw big muscle men, fat tiddies and silly cartoons
>Autistic over critical mindset

On the same boat word for word anon, we can only press forward to make it where we want to be.

[Anonymous No.3958818]

>>3958531
I think it takes it off their dashboard until the appeal is approved. So basically they'll never see it

[Anonymous No.3958861]

Holy shit why the fuck do good artists think their opinions are the only ones that matter? I'm trying really hard to draw as good as I can but I can't deal with artists who think that drawing bad is okay

Fucking shit if I don't feel I'm improving then why the fuck would it be okay for me to draw bad?

[Anonymous No.3958871]

>>3958861
A lot of artists get so obsessed with making the perfect drawing that they get hung up on one drawing, don't produce finished work, don't draw enough pieces to improve, etc. The point of saying "drawing badly is ok" is to get you to keep moving forward instead of polishing every piece for 20hrs. At some point you just need to churn out a shit ton of bad drawings or else you won't make good ones.

[Anonymous No.3958915]

>>3958871
Then what even is the point of drawing bad? I feel really bad when I try to draw something and it looks bad in my first try. If I can't do it in my first try then what's even the point of going on?

[Anonymous No.3959056]

>>3958915
If you do it enough times, you will eventually be able to do it right on the first try. Sometimes.

[Anonymous No.3959077]

>>3958861
>why the fuck would it be okay for me to draw bad?
It's ok because everyone does it. It's part of the learning process. Some people just learn much faster than others...

[Anonymous No.3959156]

>>3959056
>you will eventually be able to do it right on the first try.
Then it wouldn't be the first try anymore.

[Anonymous No.3959200]

>>3958915
Who fucking cares if it doesn't look good on first try? Why do you care so much about the immediate results? Do you think pros got their shit together when they're first starting out ?

[Anonymous No.3959205]

>>3958871
>At some point you just need to churn out a shit ton of bad drawings or else you won't make good ones.
This

[Anonymous No.3959214]

>>3958915
Because everyone draws bad before they draw good. You can't expect a beginner to go trough a field without making mistakes, that's why they're a beginner. It's GOOD if you're making mistakes as a beginner, because that means you're treading into subject mattes you haven't mastered yet which is the first step in the process of learning. You can't improve if you don't challenge yourself, and you can't challenge yourself if you don't fail. You learn from your mistakes, and until you make those mistakes, you won't learn.

[Anonymous No.3959226]

>>3958199
>draw what you like
I wish I could, but I'm an indecisive motherfucker. I don't exactly care about highly-detailed rendering and realism, but if I move too far towards cartooning I start feeling bad for not trying hard enough. Even if it's fun, there's really no winning in the long term

[Anonymous No.3959237]

Decided to move from tea to canned espresso drinks. Bad mistake, I drank 3 today and it was definitely way too much. I think I'll stick to tea since it's easier to gauge your level

[Anonymous No.3959247]

>>3959226
Branch out with the style, draw more than one body type, fit the characters into environments, draw non-humans etc. Don't be afraid to let it develop and make it more personal.

[Anonymous No.3959295]

Being screamed at for not doing things perfectly or quickly as a kid and teen gave me such a goddamn strong fear of failure and people in general. I'm just waiting for them to snap at me and act like nothing happened, I hate it

[Anonymous No.3959316]

>>3958069
There are people who draw with their legs, cause they don't have arms. You probably have the second arm that could be taught to work properly.

[Anonymous No.3959327]

>>3958238
If you can't get a hold of a mentor >>3958437
or just an art buddy with higher skill then structure your work. Like spend some time on learning and then draw what you want to draw. Always do the study session, even a short one, before you draw anything you like. When you are only starting the gains would be apparent within a month tops.

[Anonymous No.3959330]

>>3959226
I actually have seen pretty nice variants of this cartoony style where people add semi realistic rendering on top of it. Makes it look really 3-dimesional and pop out. And if you really like just cartooning you can always try comics - there is a lot of tricks with paneling and other stuff that don't need any rendering.

[Anonymous No.3959353]

>>3959330
can you point me towards some examples of the variants you're talking about?

and yeah, I was considering using this style for my comic work since it would save a lot of time, but I don't know if it would be a great match for what I've got in mind

[Anonymous No.3959391]

>>3952732
Im in a REALLY bad fucking mood because i spent like 800$ on fucking new PC components and the god damn thing won't even turn on even after spending a few hrs putting it together and trying to fix whats wrong.

I haven't been able to draw anything digitally since. This shit is making me irrationally angry.

[Anonymous No.3959418]

>>3959391
test your power supply and double check things are plugged in.

[Anonymous No.3959421]

>>3959418
Could be a dud PSU.
I quadruple checked all the plugs and connections but still nothing comes on after hitting the switch.
Its a pain in the ass, but I might have to send it back for a new one. I even bought a new tablet along with this PC and I can't even fucking use it.

[Anonymous No.3959458]

>>3958818
That's the thing. It got appealed but it get like 20% of likes that I usually get. Even that one guy who likes every single post of mine ignored it.

[Anonymous No.3959485]

>Draw something decent.
>only get a few views.
>Guy draws something on par with a toddler.
100+ views.

I dunno how this even happens.

[Anonymous No.3959493]

You guys were right. I get it now. This is soulless. All he draws are the heads of cute girls and basically zero facial expression. I've been doing that too. From now on. They have to be making a facial expression and or an interesting pose. Even if my technique isn't perfect. This shit has to stop. When my art has no soul I feel like I have no soul.

[Anonymous No.3959510]

>>3959493
It's almost invariably a crossroads
>art without soul that normies like
>art with soul that only very few people will connect to
the more of yourself you put into your art the fewer people will like it, there's nothing unfair about it, it's just the way it is. If you draw girls making no facial expression there is no statement so people can project whatever feeling they want into it, the stronger your statement the more your art becomes about you.

[Anonymous No.3959515]

>>3959458
No, he never saw it. As far as I know, when it gets approved, the post doesn't go back to the top of people's dashboards. It stays in the same place with content that was posted hours or days ago. So people won't see it unless they scroll all the way down.

[Anonymous No.3959519]

>>3959493
my god took you long enough to realize that, what a fucking loser. NGMI

[Anonymous No.3959523]

>>3959493
Stagnation is death.

[Anonymous No.3959530]

>>3959485
When I posted my best illustration which took me almost a week, I got 1 like (from that one person who instantly likes all your tweets and you think 'well at least I have a fan' but when you look at his profile he only retweets inflation fetish stuff and you want to die). I was working on being stoic about it as always, then in real time, right above my post, some popular person tweeted something like 'poop lol' and got 200 retweets.

[Anonymous No.3959556]

Here it comes, you guys are ready? Because I'm not.

[Anonymous No.3959589]

Loomis glosses over the female figure as an afterthought. The drawings he produces of women are very unrealistically thin at the waist. I get in his time that was the prime standard of beauty for women but it's not realistic for 99% of the subjects you will be drawing unless they're all barbie dolls.

His male figure seems to be way more grounded in reality. So I guess my point is, add some width to the waist people. women that thin ar an absolute outlier.

[Anonymous No.3959599]

>>3959589
rule63 David Bowie is looking great on the right
sauce?

[Anonymous No.3959624]

>>3959589
Maybe women should just be thinner

[Anonymous No.3959640]

I'm worried all my time in pursuit of a professional arts degree will be useless. I'm terrified, actually. The only thing I can really fall back on is teaching what I know.

[Anonymous No.3959677]

>>3959510
Yea no I know. It's the same in every medium. Toy story is or was the highest rated movie on rotten tomatoes for many years. And it's not because it's a great movie. It's because it's inoffensive. When people taste it from 1 to 10 it gets about a 7 but when you ask people is it good or bad almost everyone says good. It's just watered down fucking crap. Same with music, TV, food, fashion, cars, and basically every art or design field.

[Anonymous No.3959743]

>>3959510
>>3959677
It's good for the world to have a strong bell curve in the middle. Most people aren't going to tend outside the bland or average and that's okay. Art wouldn't enjoy quite the same place of exploration without it, it'd be more white noise.

I personally tend to not be very self indulgent in general, and it carries over into my art. A lot of artists seem to think it's wrong or something, hiding some human truth. But I see it as doing nice things for other people. There's obvious catering to your own tastes, then there's taking bits of yourself out of it that you know will be misinterpreted or just not appreciated, so that someone else can enjoy it. Sometimes they can overlap, and I think that's a sweet spot.
Artists are exposed to a lot of extremes vs non artists, so I think there's the tendency to feel they're "already moderate in comparison to x"

And most people have some degree of separation between the two and fall between the "what's the point if it's not self indulgent," artist and where I sit. Which tends more toward the lines of "what's the point if it's not for someone else's enjoyment?"

My take on it. -ganbatte!

[Anonymous No.3959804]

>>3959353
Sadly I don't have anything on hand. And the closest I could find right now will get me banned for posting here (ponies!).

Check out AssasinMonkey on deviantart. Basically a simple cartoon base that is then given a semi-realistic (though still very colourful) rendering.

[Anonymous No.3959815]

>>3959743
It's not good for the world to be full of retards and retarded art. I got dragged into watching that fucking Aladdin movie over the weekend. I haven't been to a theater in years. But I basically lost all my friends and if I want to retain some kind of relationship with my family sometimes I have to do things I don't like. It was good awful to sit through. If people had common sense they would recognize the difference between art and mediocre consumerism. I'd rather pay to watch a bad movie if it was someone's actually artistic vision than watch another semi competent piece of shit marvel movie. If they knew the difference they would stop giving Hollywood their money. Hollywood might stop making remakes, superhero movies and movies about cgi talking animals. But because people are braindead they just keep feeding the beast. Including my own mom and sister. It's fucking painful. And sometimes that seeps into the visual arts works too. I'm not a great artist but I know some who are under appreciated compared to the fucking braindead waifu tier thot garbage getting all those patreon bucks from kids who play video games professionally for a living in between fap sessions.

My takeaway from watching that movie is that normies deserve to be manipulated and taken advantage of and capitalized off. If I get to the level where I can draw that shit, I'll rip off every last one of these furry pony sucking pieces of human trash.

I think those soulless artists are heros. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.3959818]

>>3959815
Fucking based

[Anonymous No.3959828]

>>3959815
Anon you were doing so well until the end.
This is why I love Miyazaki. He's probably the only person that high up who still reasons like an artist.

[Anonymous No.3959852]

>>3959828
No no, I'll still make good art but I'll make shit art on purpose too for money and it'll make me happy when I know I've ripped someone off or when I know my product was shot. I'll actually feel better about it knowing they were scammed. It would be like picking fresh blueberries from the bush. They're not human. They do not have dignity. Omg and I'll put feminist horseshit and rainbows on everything. And I'll laugh diabolically and twirl my mustache

[Anonymous No.3959862]

>>3959852
I plan to do this too, but I'm not sure how I would separate the serious stuff from the pandering. Different accounts?

[Anonymous No.3959875]

>>3952732
The reason I stopped drawing was that I could never grasp the concept that I was just bad at art because I never tried to learn the fundamentals, develop a style, understand that my materials weren't the reason I was failing and that I only did abstract because I knew that people would be impressed by it. And the fact that I wouldn't draw or practice for days, see some cool art and then get mad when I would try to replicate an expert level drawing from a beginners level causing me to repeat the process.

[Anonymous No.3959876]

>>3959556
No, im fucking not.
Whenever a new fotm game or anime gets announced, I never jump on the bandwagon.
Maybe because I subconsciously know its just a waste of fucking time since im so garbage.

[Anonymous No.3959887]

>>3959815
Listen, I'm so cynical I can't sit through a single commercial without pissing on it one way or another. I agree with you-people as a stereotype are retarded, unapprectiative, tribalistic mindless consumers. But you add to just that problem by treating them the way they deserve. No, you can't change human nature, or the majority of people, save a little at a time on the individual level.

But rather than play a shit game with shit rules, break them, in the right way. What does the opposite of what you describe look like? Viewing people through as individual a lense as you have the patience and ability for, for instance.
So long as you try to respect people on an individual level(including yourself), there's zero mindless consumerism in that, right? Create it for and around yourself and the right people will be drawn to it, whether it's telling you to kys en masse, or if you manage it a bit better than me, lol, you can even create something useful. Look at Elon musk, I think tesla is more vain toys than utilitarian at this point, something I really wish they'd fix, but people flock to the idea. You can do the same for what people consume, even in the rabid, consumer whore industry of media.

But don't play a lifelong losing game with your conscience just because other people are shitheads. What's that imagine dragons line- something like 'will you still toe the line, even if you're alone?' You're goddamn right I will, you asshole btw, pissing on people still putting in effort, while you profit from Rome burning.

However self indulgent or not you want, just between friends or publicly, do what you want because you enjoy it, love it, believe in it to the point of wanting to proselytize it. Otherwise you're just part of a feedback loop into what you hate. Hate is chains, so is pride, just be careful to avoid muddling them with constructive reasoning, even if just strictly for your own benefit.
Hth, and cheers

[Anonymous No.3959893]

>>3959556
The giant pokemon mechanic is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.3959940]

>>3959887
No, I've been doing that my whole life. Time for change. The machine has taken over. There is no undoing the corruption of the world and at this point you're either the dumbass handing over your time and work for sheckles that you hand over gladly for dumb shit or you are on the receiving end of that money. Those are your only two options now. These people do not have principles and I'm solipsistic enough that I'm not convinced they have theory of mind or sentience at all. You're gonna have to try a whole out harder than that to convince me.

[Anonymous No.3959945]

>>3959887
>You can do the same for what people consume, even in the rabid, consumer whore industry of media.
You can't do this without funding. If I had free funding like Laika I'd love to make artsy stuff and recoup just the right amount of money to keep going. The problem is that without huge funding and a decent amount of marketing your original concept won't even have a chance of working.
On a smaller scale it's a hundred times worse, I saw a ton of working professionals who attempted to make their little original comic and got like 8 people funding it on patreon. Getting good enough at art to compete with professionally made media is very hard, making it as an artist is a lottery, and finding something original that works with normies is a lottery within the lottery. I cannot explain why most of the exceptions to this managed to explode in popularity as they did.

[Anonymous No.3959948]

The worst part about growing is being painfully aware how bad I am. I've learned to enjoy my art on my own but I know it's extremely sub par and needs work, I just wish I didnt have a full time job and a life pulling me along so I could focus more on bettering myself. I want to work as a story board artist, the thought of not doing it within the next year or two makes me want to die. I'm thinking about moving back home saving up a few grand and and quitting and then study art and applying for positions as a storyboard artist. I really want this.

[Anonymous No.3959951]

Like I feel completely crazy saying this, but doesn't anyone else miss the time before the web to an extent?

I'll be the first to admit it's done me a lot of good learning, but there's like no money in anything anymore.
No one buys magazines or comics anymore, it's all online.

Before OneManga, I remember going out with my sister to buy volumes of Fruit Basket and Bone. We've got this huge shelf filled with manga and comic volumes but guess what? 90% of it is at least a decade and a half old.
No one really buys comics anymore, and when they do it's just shit they probably know or read and they're just collecting.
.


I wanna make a living doing this shit but no one is buying, my only hope now is that people still like page-by-page webcomics

[Anonymous No.3959955]

>>3959815
Based and edgepilled. Anyone can tell these are not anything special but they love the funny quips. I can however see you sperging out at your normie friends saying Aladdin was a soulless corporate shill operation, that's cringey.

[Anonymous No.3959960]

>>3959955
Sometimes the truth is cringey, like you being an enormous faggot.

[Anonymous No.3959988]

I'm not only going to make it, I'm going to make it so hard that /ic/ and every single artfag on the planet will explode in a fit of seething jealousy.

[Anonymous No.3959989]

>>3959940
They're not the only options, and good people do still exist. In fact they're born every second. And I'll be working my whole life to prove you wrong, hate it or not. I would invite you to a place where the other side still lives, not caring about money, pride, or ambition. These places exist if you look. But it's a tough job trying to fit these things into the modern world. And perception isn't so easy to cut through. Are we fucked? Yeah, absolutely, all it takes is people who understand not doing anything. Give civilization a run for it's money, even if you get burned in doing so. Those scars are a lot more fun to bear than sitting in the embers.

>>3959945
I know this, painfully so. I have a certain amount of luxury in that it doesn't matter if my works make it or not. Which is a good thing probably in all honesty. It's part of the reason I don't shit on someone for doing what they feel they have to do.
The preface of "if I had the means" is always awful, but it's just a physical state of being. Everyone has the means to something, however small. And to me, those things are so damn important, much more than lofty ideas. Just what I may or may not be able to do for anons, right here for instance. It carries weight, in no small part just out of simplicity.

[Anonymous No.3960036]

>>3959951
>my only hope now is that people still like page-by-page webcomics
My 2 cents since it's what I want to do, webcomics in 2019 aren't even a lottery, they're straight up impossible.
It doesn't matter how high the quality is (many pros who tried gave up in the end), the only chance of making a webcomic that isn't porn (they don't bother with those anymore either) and achieving some sort of success from scratch is to make something that appeals to the kind of autists who would cosplay as Homestuck characters. Good luck tapping into that public without being part of it. I think you are better off making your complete comic and pitching it to a minor publisher while doing commissions like everyone else.

I think there's a clear divide between the "industry", which is pretty much ArtStation, fine art, and everything else in the freelancing spectrum like animation, comics, etc. If you belong to this group, especially if you don't have experience as an intern at Dreamworks or something right out of art college because you don't even live in the US, then your success is tied to your popularity on social media. You need to be part artist, part businessman, part marketer, part entertainer, which is a whole another set of skills that you might or might not be fit for. I wouldn't even know how to run a Kickstarter. It's so incredibly fucking hard to get people to pay for something and making something that appeals to a broad enough audience is only 20% of it. Not even mentioning that the vast majority of legitimate artists who are making a living right now started 10 years ago and worked incredibly hard.

I don't know, really. Making it as a commercial artist, working in things like videogames, seems hard, very hard, but doable. Even making porn which is the average d/ic/k's goal must be difficult at this point. Making it with webcomics - maybe comics in general - sounds like a crazy rockstar dream except you get 800 dollars a month if you're lucky.

[Anonymous No.3960068]

>>3959485
>I dunno how this even happens.
People don't like effort and just want wacky shit on their feeds

[Anonymous No.3960072]

>>3959951
>>3960036
Heyo, I make a page-by-page webcomic. It can be hard, but not impossible to find a readership and making a bit of money off it. It just takes a bit of trial and error to figure out what reels people in. I went through several failed webcomics before I got to my current one that have a readership of maybe ~5-6k across platforms. I'm not making a ton of money, but I've gotten a couple hundred bucks through Patreon over the past couple months. And there are still people out there making webcomics their job, especially through sites like Webtoons. Don't give up, anon, you still got hope.

[Anonymous No.3960085]

I wish I didn't procrastinate on drawing. I just know I'll hate whatever I produce so I just sit on my hands and don't do it. But I won't get better if I don't draw.

But I can't draw due to my fear of failure. I need to just get over it but it's harder than it looks.

Literally just draw jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.3960086]

>>3960072
what kind of comic is it, on webtoons it's all boys love

[Anonymous No.3960162]

>>3959989
those places might exist somewhere but not fucking new jersey or nyc which is where im stuck. i think all the time about just throwing a dart at a map and taking off without telling anyone, packing anything or paying any of my bills.

[Anonymous No.3960183]

>>3960162
I've been there, iktf. Do it. I can't tell you how many people I know who did just that and never went back.

[Anonymous No.3960185]

>>3960086
It's a het romance comic/dark comedy

[Anonymous No.3960303]

>>3959804
>check out AssassinMonkey on deviantart
these pieces end up looking uncanny more often than not. I think finding a unique graphical coloring style might be a better fit

[Anonymous No.3960510]

>>3952779
omg wow you drew that? 0: i can only draw stick figures anon!

[Anonymous No.3960516]

>>3952732
I feel more and more disconnected from browsing the internet and social media in general. I don't know if I'm getting old (Is early to mid 20s even that old?) Or I'm getting intolerant of most of the people posting online. Are people really this stupid nowadays? Is it because more and more kids have access online? Am I looking at the wrong crowd? Is there a small inch of sanity left for discussion in Twitter or am i doomed to communicate and interact to others with unfunny memes and outrage culture?

I don't really know what I'm saying. I do have a life outside of social media although I'm in LDR with my SO. I guess what I'm trying to say is I wish I can experience and talk to other peers and anons again like the old days without tainting everything with political bs. It feels pretty lonely online these days

[Anonymous No.3960546]

>>3959815
If you're in it for the money, why not do it? You really think Ilya art is hard to produce? I actually like some of his more illustrative work because he's not one-note. However, he knows what people like and what sells and he uses that as his main gain while steadily working on other things on the side and posting that inbetween his more soulless pretty anime girl faces. I would say it'd take about 5-6 years to get to his level if you're an absolute beginner and use the same routine. I'm not sure if he takes shortcuts with his backgrounds but there is always that to add more dimension to the piece. Even less honestly if you don't want to get into more illustration rendering. Plenty of people enjoy just nice watercolor pretty girls with flowers around their heads. That'll garnish you instantly with 100K followers in a short amount of time.

That's the cash grab / scam perspective though. If you want to do art that you love then keep doing it. You may have a smaller audience but it'll be an audience that have the same appreciation for whatever you're trying to convey. However it probably won't feed you + family and all that bullshit. So do as you will.

[Anonymous No.3960564]

>>3960185
link?

[Anonymous No.3960565]

>>3954972
2015 was your year nigga

[Anonymous No.3960569]

>>3952972
>>3953038
you don't even know what cel shading is

[Anonymous No.3960571]

>>3952972
that's not "cel-shading"

[Anonymous No.3960591]

>>3960571
He wanted to achieve that style, idiot. of course its not cel shaded

>>3960569
Are you high?

[Anonymous No.3960613]

Whoever started the 'mentally ill/broke artist' thing is a fucking faggot. Only some upper middle class trust fund baby says that having no money is a good thing for art and actual depression/Adhd/whatever is a fucking hinderance to life let alone fucking drawing

I fucking hate people who want to fucking struggle so goddamn bad. They can have this shitty brain and empty wallet. I'd gladly fucking trade it in.

[Anonymous No.3960660]

how do you cope with envy? When I'm reminded of my friends and peers- who draw the same things I enjoy but with more skill than I can ever hope to have- I end up incredibly depressed and frustrated for days at a time. I feel like there's no point in drawing when I'm just a pale imitation of someone else that actually knows what they're doing. I'd give anything to steal their ability and finally stop being the one on the bottom of the ladder.

I don't care about beating them, necessarily, I just want to feel like my art isn't worthless and constantly being shown up makes it impossible to do so. I don't think my work is the worst, but I do think that it's completely obsolete when others are constantly coming up with work that's undeniably better in every single way.

I don't know if I should try to escape from under their shadows by changing my style and focusing more on story. Even if I could do something like that, it'd just feel like I was running away. I'm too indecisive to be a good writer regardless, so I'm totally fucked either way.

No matter what I do, I won't end up happy- I feel like I've been doomed to be endlessly frustrated and miserable and obsolete from the start. I'm unskilled, uninspired, unmotivated, and completely hopeless.

[Anonymous No.3960680]

>>3960660
Find your voice. It doesn't even phase me that there are 16 year olds who are technically better than me. Not even my favorite artists in the world have my vision and do what I do. I was obsessed with skill and green with envy all the time, after a while you realize that voice is the most important thing. You can't feel envious of someone's voice because it's a product of individuality, there's only positive admiration.

[Anonymous No.3960688]

>>3960613
>lol I'm so #depressed #relatable I have to take a break from the project #artistwoes
>Btw I'm launching a Kickstarter!!!

[Anonymous No.3960692]

>>3960680
tons of people do what I do though, nothing about me is anything more than mediocre. how am i supposed to find a voice if i can never decide on anything and have no discernable strengths?

[Anonymous No.3960714]

>>3960692
I have no idea how to direct you in this man, you have to draw things you really love and be curious about the art you consume. I'm still attached to the things I was exposed to in my childhood, so I feel like it was easier for me because I was always attracted to the same imagery over the years.
You're surely in that phase where you worship the artist who draws the most amazing and impressive stuff, but does that work really speak to you? It's a very different feeling when you connect to artwork on a personal level. In a way, you have to change your standards and set them much higher.

[Anonymous No.3960737]

>>3952732
I have so many ideas that I would REALLY want to draw, but it's not a motivation problem, I always end up being some sort of "paralyzed" when I try to do it. I assume I'm afraid of fucking them up when translating them into a picture and also that I might try to bite more than I can chew.

I know my Cintiq has a plastic sheet onto the screen so scratches aren't on the tablet itself but it keeps giving me a feeling akind of Existential Dread everytime I see a new scratch or even those transparent wear and tear things on the screen.

I can't do face for shit. Hands? With refs and some times, I can get them right. Feet? not used to drawing them but I manage. Body? I drew so much anthro stuff it isn't even a fucking question to me anymore and proportions are nearly instinctive to do. But faces? Fuck no, I can use refs, work on it for hours, it still looks like garbage and it's uncanny af. Also making emotions that aren't goofy (not too much but still) is a pain because I always end up feeling like it looks inexpressive.

I can't draw neutral standing poses. I can do relatively neutral poses for sitting, lying down, but if it's standing I can't do it without some movement in it.

And there's also the mandatory "ashame of art you did a while back because that's not the style you have anymore/you grew out of the edgy phase from back then...".

[Anonymous No.3960748]

>been drawing for few years on and off but getting a lot better
>Don't think I'm good, but probably decent enough for cheap sketch commissions
>keep thinking how I want someone to commission me so I know someone else thinks I'm good
>get commissioned
>overwhelming urge to refund the guy and tell him I'm sorry for thinking I was good enough for this
why am I like this

[Anonymous No.3960761]

>>3960569
>>3960571
I didn't post that picture as example of cel-shading you retards

[Anonymous No.3960763]

everytime i talk about art as a career i get rhe usual family "lmao you're gonna be fuckin poor as a graphic designer/illustrator" and at thus point it's become such a constant fear that it's impeded my motivation to make shit/learn how to better myself at drawing shit and it makes me want to scream

[Anonymous No.3960764]

>>3960660
You don't cope. You realize it's silly and childish, and yet even so, some people let it twist their perspective to the point they're bitter and never will fully enjoy what they do. And in denial so hard they turn it into some stupid ideal. A misguided means to an end fueled by competition, need to make money, or just by want.
It's the result of misplaced values. People will erroneously try to find worth in what they do or accomplish. A doctor and his intellectual pride, a businessman and his bank account, the rich in their house/yacht/club they belong to, the poor in their hardship, etc. But those are just external excuses, a crutch to ego, that will fail at the worst of times, offering no real support. And leading to dangerous ideologies, like valuing some people more than others -and the worst, valuing the self the most. In each of those successful cases, if they are evil bastards, then their relative greatness becomes an equivalent net negative for the rest of the world.
But attaching yourself to these things is faulty, your worth is inherent, nothing more or less. Someone who loves you cares about your happiness, and appreciates just having you, not your stuff or your skills. Whether you lived in a cave or a mansion.

You don't need pride as motivation at all. You have love of the craft, and hopefully love of the people you do it for to propel you. You have since you were a kid doodling. Pride trivializes this, it trivializes you in favor of material worth. It's no wonder it's a losing game.

Become that kid again, anon, because anything more tacked on to it is a lie and seeks to rob you.

[Anonymous No.3960766]

>>3960763
they're not wrong
the market's already too saturated and it's not really a stable job

[Anonymous No.3960779]

>>3960692
>>3960714
It's a chicken or the egg question when it comes to self worth and accomplishing something satisfyingly individualistic.

It's the problem with valuing image or other people's perception. It's a trap.

[Anonymous No.3960965]

I just graduated from college and I have a job animating. Technically this was my dream, but now I feel like I'm just making dough instead of achieving an artistic goal. My job overworks me and I don't have time for any personal projects, I don't know what I want to do with my life anymore and I'm scared of jumping from company to company aimlessly until I'm dead. What do I do?

[Anonymous No.3961002]

>>3960965
>I'm scared of jumping from company to company aimlessly until I'm dead. What do I do?
No one really knows, this is the part in your life where you are on your own.

[Anonymous No.3961062]

>>3960748
Same, whenever I finish one and they say they like it I always feel like they're just trying to be polite and are actually disappointed

[Anonymous No.3961067]

>>3960748
Haha I’ve done this. It’s like I just wanted to hear them agree to a price, to prove I’m good enough. Didn’t give a shit about the money, so didn’t end up doing it.

[Anonymous No.3961089]

>>3961062
I feel that way whenever anyone gives me a compliment in general

[Anonymous No.3961098]

People who list the languages they speak and then type "OK" in their bios. It pisses me off for some reason.

[Anonymous No.3961145]

im awfully scared of critique and just posting my drawings online in general. my friends say that they like my art but i cant shake the feeling that they're just lying to make me feel better about it

[Anonymous No.3961159]

>>3961145
most of the time people compliment you on the internet they just want free art

[Anonymous No.3961168]

Smashed glass. Really painful won't be able to draw for a week probably.

[Anonymous No.3961186]

Is there a way to meet artist femanons? Okcupid is pure fucking cancer. I've never used discord. Don't know shit about it.

[Anonymous No.3961187]

>>3961186
your local art community. Might have to go outside though.

[Anonymous No.3961188]

I was self taught before i got a scholarship to uni and interned sfter i graduated, but i still have 20k in student debt and i have no money to relocate for employment. I can barely make ends meet living with a parent

I keep quitting day jobs because they leave me with no time to draw, twice i have left jobs to stay home that day and draw.

I can't explain it to a normal employer. I tried working at a call center and there was no way to justify my sense of urgency to my boss when i skipped a day to draw. I just left afterward because i hated it so badly

So now im unemployed with a college degree in 3D and all this 2D experience. I have no money to relocate to where jobs are. I actually just got home from applying for a pizza delivery job like a fucking loser, because it is not a time consuming job where i have to talk to people beyond "hello".

It makes me so depressed. If i got a well-paying day job, i would have no time to draw. I also cant get a job at any decent art stores because i am not intersectional enough.

If i tried to plunge into a career art job, i fear it would dominate my life and future, and soak up all of my talent, to a point where i have to revere the job itself over my own artwork.

I dont feel like i even draw anymore. There are drawings on my desk that ive done, recently, photoshop windows open that are days old just sitting there half finished.

Im fucking up so bad. Im wasting so much time. I remember before Uni i had so much more energy. For the exchange of basic 3D skills i recieved a collective dumbing down with all of the shitty little classmates I had and i think out of the two years I spent there i did two drawings on paper by myself outside of class.

Dont go to art school.

[Anonymous No.3961189]

>>3961186
Literally anywhere online. Once you leave 4chan and circles of Twitter porn artists you'll find plenty of women artists to talk to.

[Anonymous No.3961239]

>>3960764
Thanks.
I'm not the anon you were replying to but I wanna thank you. I really needed to read something like that.
Sometimes I just forget the simple joy that drawing gives me and I focus too much on not being good enough or being too slow. In the end none of that matters does it?

[Anonymous No.3961256]

Not a vent but I think its relevant.

I was a shitty dA/fA autist in my teens and I drew cringe as you'd expect. Amazingly I got a lot of support and encouragement when I made an effort to experiment and try to improve and develop a "proper" toony style but one day its like something snapped and I realised just how shitty and terrible everything I did was. I stopped uploading and took everything down in a fit of crashing self-esteem.

I autistically tried to grind fundamentals in private without actually understanding them. I so desperately wanted to git gud. Nobody actually made fun of my "art" but I felt like Chris-Chan and could have easily ended up in a cringe thread here and I was afraid to upload again. So eventually I just stopped drawing for years. I hated drawing. I really wanted to produce good stuff like my entire self-worth depended on it, and it just wasn't happening. Each try hurt. You could probably guess that I spent a good amount of time as a depressed NEET.

I'm now in my mid 20s and I'm still /beg/. I recently got a shitty job with variable hours, I'm trying to get /fit/ and improve my math skills while contemplating part-time education. Strangely with all this I've started drawing again only a couple weeks ago.
I'm just doing it as an alternative to playing vidya which don't entertain me enough anymore. I'm studying my fundamentals but I'm not taking it too seriously. I'm actually having fun, and having moments of "oh wow that's not as bad as the last few drawings" which feels great. I'm not uploading or working on any ideas, but it's suddenly become theraputic and fun. It's fun to experiment and play around and fart out of a few bad drawings while trying stuff. I can't remember the last time I felt like this.

My only regret is that I lost contact with the people who encouraged me. I wish I could show them.

thx for reading my blog

[Anonymous No.3961287]

>>3961256
Keep on trucking mang you'll get there eventually

[Anonymous No.3961292]

Is it bad that I like the concept of furry, but I hate the fact that I like drawing and posting that shit because of furfags?
Some of the concepts I come up with are retarded, too, which makes me angry at myself because I post them outside of the MS Paint thread on the furshitter board and people will sperg the fuck out, half because they hate the concept because of the people and half because some of my shit that I came up with is fucking terrible.
I'm a fucking mess. Help me.

[Anonymous No.3961338]

>>3961239
You're welcome anon. Everyone has their own set of problems to contend with. Once you can get to a point where you can either improve them or weather them, things can and will fall into place. And with that, what's left but to enjoy yourself and try to lend a hand and pass it on?

I'll "make it" and I'll bring whomever along I can too while I'm at it. I don't believe in anything less.

[Anonymous No.3961347]

>>3961292
I have no interest in furry but, try to separate out what you are disgusted by. Is it something real or just association? Take a break from it for a while, sometimes distance is the only way to gain clarity. If you can't be at peace with it, throw it out. If it's just a matter of perception, then say fuck it and be a better example.

[Anonymous No.3961355]

>>3961347
I have an actual interest in humans and stuff like that, but I hate the thought of having a fursona/suit/whatever.
I feel like I should really just get off of 4chan and regain my sanity.

[Anonymous No.3961358]

>>3961355
>I feel like I should really just get off of 4chan and regain my sanity.

Always this.

[Anonymous No.3961361]

I feel terrible when I work too much but also extremely guilty about taking days off. I take on too many boring commissions scared that I won't have any in the following month. Wish I could finish this piece but I have some new project starting on Monday and need to finish the current one over the weekend. I'm being such an asshole to myself sometimes... I don't even know why.

[Anonymous No.3961397]

>>3961292
kemono art might be right up your ally if you want anthro without the cancerous crowd

[Anonymous No.3961407]

>>3961397
Doesn't really solve the problem. Not really into anime either, except for being dense to draw an anthro 'mon (not the fox which is a little better but still tistic)

[Anonymous No.3961417]

>look at old art
>oh god that's horrible
>remember that I can never post any of it again to laugh at it with /ic/ because of autists in other drawthreads who would probably remember the style

[Anonymous No.3961445]

>>3961407
>>3961397
also, imo kemono looks ugly half the time

[Anonymous No.3961448]

>>3961417
Why is everyone on this anonymous website where people post gore and personal details and cp every day such a bunch of insecure wimpy pussies? Jesus

[Anonymous No.3961455]

>>3961448
because they're social recluses

[Anonymous No.3961459]

>>3961455
Makes me angry.
PSA retards nobody gives a shit about your badly drawn porn

[Anonymous No.3961460]

>>3961448
Because I don't post personal details or info.

And I've worked hard on separating myself from 4chan in all my other personas

[Anonymous No.3961463]

>>3961460
NOBODY CARES DUDE FUCK
Youre not important at all, even good artists get plenty of jobs after working on high profile very visible porn get over yourself

[Anonymous No.3961469]

>>3961463
>nobody cares
don't underestimate drawthread autism anon.
I posted something 3 years after I left, and someone found my pixiv and looked at my first image uploaded and made the connection before him and his discord buddies started flooding my comments with shitposts.

And I should do that again for what?
2 laughs on /ic/?

[Anonymous No.3961475]

>>3961469
Youre the austist in this situation

[Anonymous No.3961477]

>>3961475
>no u

[Anonymous No.3961479]

>>3961477
Stay bad faggot

[Anonymous No.3961481]

>>3960764
I can't say you're wrong, but at the same time I have no idea how to do what it is you're asking me to do. I'm not a child anymore, and I don't know if I had a "love of the craft" even back then.

I'm sure there's meaning in the fact that I've never given up drawing despite how much suffering it causes me, but who's to say it's out of love or out of pride? And if it's never been for the right reasons, is there any hope at all besides just giving up completely?

[Anonymous No.3961575]

I'm so sick of getting useless crit from /ic/.
I keep trying to give useful advice and criticisms, and try my best to explain to people how I think they could improve, but I almost never receive the same in return. The criticism is always "it looks like shit, xyz is trash." Even if I try asking for elaboration I either don't get a response, or just get told it sucks again. I feel like I'm being crabbed on, but I know I have a long way to go and I want guidance.
I want to give up on /ic/ and just find a decent Discord, but all of the ones I've encountered are either hugboxes, dead, or filled with the same obnoxious personalities as /ic/. I just want to know how to fucking improve.

[Anonymous No.3961582]

>>3961575
Most people on this board are clueless about art in general and may as well have just started drawing yesterday. You should leave here if you don't have a good sense of what you should and should not be doing because I've never seen so many backwards ideas about drawing anywhere else, and chances are you'll develop more bad ideas than good imo

[Anonymous No.3961613]

>>3959316
Not left handed or is it possible?, but I'll be going to a doctor soon.

[Anonymous No.3961623]

>>3961613
I've read about people who started writing and drawing with their other hand due to injuries. Their art skills and spacial observations improved compared to their previous state

[Anonymous No.3961634]

>>3961481
Did you draw as a kid? It was just for the fuck of it right? Well, you've got it then. Besides that, I'd wager it's self evident in the fact you came to art, and that you stuck with it. No one can tell you you aren't lying to yourself, but it literally doesn't matter.

Everyone has the capacity to learn, people are vastly more capable than they ever use, and anything at all can be exercised. If something causes you suffering, find the source of it. Is it a force of nature or the unchangeable? Then weather it, humor it, exercise. You can make yourself content, even happy in the worst of conditions. Be imaginative about it too, like, holy fuck this is awful, but it'd make a hell of a story. Or make a story out of it as you go. That's play and imagination utilized to their fullest.
If it's something internal, then it's malleable. You can work with it, around it, ignore it, or, figure out what makes you feel like shit and why, then find a different reasoning to test out. This requires honesty and effort.

Openness(malleability/being childlike/receptive to new ideas) allows for sensitivity. You have to be open a little to learn anything. Sensitivity allows your senses, feelings, and natural wiring to function as your guide. Developing what you're (pleasantly) sensitive to yields a passion. Passion especially well honed and developed shows through in art. People can tell too, when a musician or artist feels it. From there, who the fuck cares, make it or not, you already have.

Throw out all the bullshit that takes away from it, numbers? Image? Inadequacy? Social drama? Take a break or lock yourself away until you're absolutely on fire with it. And fix what you need in healthy ways you can separate from it, friends, money etc, if you need to. You've got it in you, everyone does, in an actual special snowflake unique way. And it's all nice to have too, if not for being spoiled for choice, then for differential analysis purposes.
Hth and ganbatte

[Anonymous No.3961642]

>>3961623
Interesting, do you happen to have any links at hand? probably not, but I'll look more into it, thanks.

[Anonymous No.3961660]

I’m struggling with continuing to grind fundamentals. I don’t mean like anatomy because I find that fun but things like form and crosshatching.

[Anonymous No.3961661]

>>3961642
I have 2 personal accounts of it while I was in high school and I read 2 journals from DA about their art journey that has a story on how they switched their drawing hands and got better. Can't really confirm if that's correlated but the 2 schoolmates I know have a decent skill in art at that age

[Anonymous No.3961672]

I feel like im not getting better.
My anatomy sucks, and i know what to do, but i feel so behind and a waste of space sometimes.

Heres a sketch. Im 24 and this is the best i can do. I know what i need to do, but i feel like a failure.

[Anonymous No.3961675]

>>3961660
Understanding form is everything and applies to everything you draw or paint. Cross hatching is optional.

[Anonymous No.3961687]

>>3952732
The fuck kind of world do we live in where 70 Reddit upvotes don't transfer over to Twitter likes?

[Anonymous No.3961705]

>>3961675
I understand I have to understand form but must I draw pages upon pages of straight form and shading it? Can’t I draw what I’m interested in and apply form to it?

[Anonymous No.3961722]

>>3961687
One where reddit is well organized for sharing content about a specific topic, and twitter is a fucking mess designed for social networking

[Anonymous No.3961741]

I keep making bad drawings, like worse than I ever have. I used to be a patient and god artist. Now I'm losing patience because I'm panicking that I'm not good and my work is getting even worse because of it

[Anonymous No.3961765]

>>3961705
You can, you should, you must. Spend say 30 minutes to an hour on exercises and then apply what you've learned to what you actually WANT to draw. Grinding boxes and cylinders for weeks is a trap.

[Anonymous No.3961770]

>>3961672
I'm 24 as well, I think anatomy-wise we're not that far apart. Is a sketch reallly the best you can do, though?

[Anonymous No.3961773]

who wants to shit on my art?

[Anonymous No.3961775]

I am so depressed rn, I need to stop being a bitch and draw. I get paralyzed as soon as I don't like how something looks

[Anonymous No.3961819]

>>3961722
Hmmm you have a point.
I sometimes forget that Twitter isn't actually meant for sharing artwork, but people still use it for that purpose anyway.

[Anonymous No.3961920]

>>3960516
I definitely feel the same anon. Its lonely on the internet. Gone are the days where people can have discourse and call each other gay without cancel culture kicking in and trying to strip a person of their lively hood. We are in a very polarizing time and it fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.3961922]

>>3961741
I work hard on a portfolio image and I get 5 likes, I post a shitty 2 minute sketch and I get 5 likes, I still work on complete art because I like the sense of achievement but it's hard to care or put effort into social media posts

[Anonymous No.3961924]

>>3961687
If you get 70 likes on Twitter on a regular basis you're at least semi-popular, 70 reddit upvotes ain't worth shit
reddit is designed for viral content, your post only starts to matter when it gets two thousand votes and it's on top of the subreddit, and redditors are dumb fucks with the attention span of a goldfish who are barely intelligent enough to click on the thumbs up button, the won't bother finding the link to your website or twitter and following you there because reddit is where they live.

[Anonymous No.3961947]

>>3954602
stay strong anon I love you and I'm a girl

[Anonymous No.3962356]

I am in the waiting room of a psychologists office because I started freaking myself out with my forced feminization and torture and bondage art. Eventually hentai isn't enough and you'll have to make your own. I need help. No I'm not gonna post it. It's not good and I don't want to spread it. It's the single biggest source of shame in my life. I've never ever told anyone in my entire life. I've never shared a fetish even a relatively vanilla one with a girlfriend or a best friend or a doctor. Today I'm going to try. I feel like I'm gonna pass out.

[Anonymous No.3962364]

>draw mostly cute guys
>post a woman for once
>someone likes it on pixiv and tags it as trap
Mfw

[Anonymous No.3962432]

>>3962356
the psychologist said, lets not get into the specifics. but before i started talking about this point, he said i had already given him about 15 other red flags to alert to him that i am severely severely depressed and might not realize it because i have been this way for over 20 years.

and i want to tell you guys something that i felt was pretty important to him. i told him that i am worried because i feel dull and i used to feel very very sharp and be really proud of my intelligence. and he told me, depression does make you dull. dullard is a medical term. and if you were proud of your intelligence and then it goes away that's just going to make you more depressed which makes you even duller and so on. but he said it's reversible. i refused to try any kind of medication. ill just go to the talk therapy sessions. I knew i was depressed but i honestly didn't know it makes you dumb. hopefully someone else here has the same issue and that information helps them. don't force yourself to do it alone. ask for help guys. drop your pride. go get help. maybe ill draw better when i get my brain back. i feel like ive been spinning my wheels for years and not improving at all, and i thought there was something wrong with me where i was just getting dumber with age or where i was just realizing that i was delusional in ever thinking i was smart when i was young. but now im thinking maybe thats not the case. maybe i really can reverse things. maybe you can too.

[Anonymous No.3962544]

>>3961481
>>3961634
Prob. Should've waited till I wasn't exhausted desu and I've probably waffled on enough but some more thoughts

Tl;dr -it's just self reflection, but do it for enjoyments sake, and sharing should be a two way gift.

Anything that seeks to distance you from others or build you up at others' expense is pride. There's nothing of that in a kid off in their own world, or making a gift for someone.

Externally, it wrecks any real sentiment to share something that's taken wrong or to ill effect. -Whether a beg with obvious flaws, or a pro with something amazing. I disagree with just detaching from your work. The more you're into it, the more you enjoy it, and the better the results, on any timeframe. Detach from your work and make it cold and dry? Nah. A boisterous personality can shrug it off, and destruction is regarded as proof of a working system, but it's unnecessary at best to embellish what will happen naturally anyway.

Have the openness to help create the world you want for others, and you'll be doing the same for yourself.

Accept everything wholesale. Art you don't like? Well, you like your niche, right? Something bragging or proud? Shouldn't take away from you at all, so why not just be happy for someone managing to be so inordinately pleased with themselves? Someone riding your dick or trying to use you? So what, let them chase it. They'll be transparent soon enough, and there's nothing they can take from you if there's no desire or guile on your part to ply. And it's far better than risking destroying something that's just awkward but genuine.
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Geddit? Cuz waffling... imma dork

[Anonymous No.3962547]

>>3962432
Beating a dead horse, but fix it by not relying on pride in that intelligence to begin with. Be content with less, and you remove the source of stress to begin with, allowing the best for yourself.

That's what is artificially done via medication btw.

Good luck m8

[Anonymous No.3962555]

>>3962547
I will not be using any medication. It's talk therapy. And believe me, it's not as simple as "why don't you just." have you ever experienced the feeling of getting progressively dumber for years? Imagine what someone in solitary confinement lacking sufficient simulation feels like. Physical brain atrophy.

[Anonymous No.3962627]

>>3962555
I'll never say "just x," m8 whether what I say seems curt or not.

And yeah, I've got a pretty solid handle on the effects of isolation. As well as experience with losing intelligence.

But in not having an easy fix, the first step ought to be to try to adapt, as best as possible. After that, you tell me what to do, honestly, because I've got no idea. Every situation has its particular twist or details, and I don't see much more than I'm trying to do already that seems worthwhile or effective.

[Anonymous No.3962702]

>>3962544
I have to admit, these posts are becoming increasingly vague and difficult to parse. The first one was kind of helpful but I'm not eve sure what you're talking about anymore

[Anonymous No.3962782]

>>3962702
Yeah, no problem. It's hard to try to pack complex or somewhat esoteric ideas into digestible pieces. Especially if it's not a personal one on one conversation.
Some of this stuff is just going into mechanics of things I've noticed, and hoping the comparison helps you or someone. If there's anything I can clarify or you don't agree with, feel free to fire away though.

[Anonymous No.3962840]

>>3962627
I'm going with cognitive behavioral therapy. Hopefully if I can get to the root of my depression I may be able to find solutions for it and if I can start sleeping healthily again, not being tired constantly, not being so negative all the time, not wasting time on bad habits, maybe then some of that intelligence will come back and I'll have the energy and attitude to finally apply it. The last 4 or 5 years I've been pushing myself harder than ever before in my life. In discipline and studying in reading in self improvement in the gym at work but despite the harder effort I'm not getting any traction. That's why I'm saying... I would understand your logic that if you don't have the intelligence you have to compensate with grit, but in my case my brain won't allow me to do that. The harder I try the further I dig the hole. Dude, I was just looking for the power cord for my laptop and found it in the freezer. It's all covered in frost and condensation now. I put it in there this morning because I'm losing my fucking mind. I at least have the common sense to not plug it in but do you see how bad this has gotten? I have read 3 neuroscience books this year but I'll be honest, sometimes I read the same sentence 6 r 7 times and I still don't absorb it. I have to eat by myself at lunch out in my car so I can read out loud. And I have ocd too and it's getting worse.

In high school I was a fucking genius. School was a joke to me. I didn't even study. I was blowing away the kids who study in every subject. I was doing college courses. I got a 1500 on the sat without ever studying. I studied nothing. I barely showed up to class my senior year. I got into every school I applied for. Omg everybody talked about my potential. About how I could have been a doctor or anything I wanted. And I fucking squandered it. I threw it away. I spit on and stomped on it and took it for granted. And I lost everything. And I did the same thing with art. Potential is a drug. I blew it.

[Anonymous No.3962910]

>Recently have been getting many new clients to draw a certain fetish
>Accept many people's commissions because I don't think what they're into is hard to draw
>Now I'm labeled as that guy who draws this fetish even though I'm not into it myself

[Anonymous No.3962918]

>>3962840
>sometimes I read the same sentence 6 r 7 times and I still don't absorb it
I experience this. What the hell does it mean?

>>3962432
>if you were proud of your intelligence and then it goes away that's just going to make you more depressed which makes you even duller and so on
How does it go away exactly, can you elaborate? Did you mean living in a sedentary lifestyle can literally make your brain atrophy and regress, or do you have some other medical condition?

[Anonymous No.3962939]

>>3962840
All too familiar story anon. A lot of it. With one main difference. I've gotten past the "i didn't become a scientist" stage, and can accept just about wherever I end up. And you HAVE to be able to do that. "Be content for today's effort and work as hard or harder tomorrow" It can lead to some very unexpectedly cool things, letting go.
But once you enter the pit of disallowing contentment, especially due to external factors, you will never be happy no matter what. Teach yourself to strive, and that will be your lot. You can believe me or not, but look at artists or musicians who decline after a big hit. Why? In a way it's because they said what they came to say and lost their fire. This can happen at any stage, as can fixing it. But only if you exercise the right neurons.
Try this as your ghetto 4chan therapist. Exercise humility and contentment by rewarding yourself with that which you can avail yourself of now, however small a gesture, and no matter what you feel like. Little things that make up normal people's lives. Something nice and different to eat, a walk outside, plant something, do a good deed.
It'll work, if you try, and push yourself. It's cumulative, just like study. Force those neurons to create new pathways anon.

[Anonymous No.3962949]

>>3962918
Atrophy and degeneration, just like a muscle, or eyes as you age.
Exercise, take care of yourself, and keep picking up new skills and novel stimulation anon.

[Anonymous No.3962956]

>>3962949
Thanks for the advice anon

[Anonymous No.3962989]

>>3960516
>I wish I can experience and talk to other peers and anons again like the old days without tainting everything with political bs
Same. It's so obnoxious that majority of users in social media are americans and they shove politics in every fucking posts

[Anonymous No.3962991]

>Someone on twitter favs my latest piece on my art-only account
>Then they start faving everything else going extremely far back, pretty much faving everything in my gallery
>They don't follow after they finish
>Out of curiosity, see who they follow and it's just a bunch of top tier artists who are well known and popular

[Anonymous No.3962999]

>>3962991
They probably forgot to follow . I do this sometimes but I go back to my like pages to follow the person if I remember them

[Anonymous No.3963155]

>>3962918
Clinical depression and ocd and being alone for over 20 years will do that to you.