/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3937920]

Seriously, why are american cartoons so fucking ugly and lazy?

[Anonymous No.3937923]

>>3937920
Why is Shantae in a cartoon?
Did she go out of business or something?

[Anonymous No.3937928]

>>3937920
you should rephrase your OP
>why are american cartoons not like anime?

[Anonymous No.3937950]

>>3937920
>Seriously, why are americans so fucking ugly and lazy?

[Anonymous No.3937954]

It only needs to be visually appealing to very young children apparently. Shows like Flapjack put a great spin on it though.

[Anonymous No.3937957]

Culture mostly

Westerners love shitting on hard work and being autistic towards your hobbies. Show any form of passion toward the thing you want to improve on and they'll shit on you or call you gay.
Though asians will think you're weird for putting effort into anime and stuff, most of the time as long as you're working hard on your career and being an overall decent person, then they see no problem with it. Also your average animu worker gets paid like crap like your average gaijin animator; tying into the general asian culture from before, they still do it because hard work = good thing. I wouldn't say its a positive thing but the world isn't perfect and you'll always have your downsides.

[Anonymous No.3937977]

>>3937920
let me redpill on you this anon

because western parents are lazy, japan parents are not

kids will want to draw the characters they like. and the ones who will do it long enough will become the future animators or designers too. but a kid cant put a lot of work into a craft if he has lazy parents, their laziness will rub off on him. simply by being bullied by their own parents for working so much (and point it out to them by contrast how lazy they are) which in turns lowers their moral. they need low hanging fruit not to break down emotionally. so their cartoons are easy to imitate not to frustrate the kids, and by extensions the parents

japanese parents arent going to be bothered by their kids spending a few more hours drawing and being frustrated or not if when they come from work they are too tired to give their kids more than 5 mins

[Anonymous No.3938005]

>>3937957
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA have you seen any recent anime? All they do is make lazy CGI garbage. AHAHAHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA
>muh japanese master culture
AHAHHHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA weebs are so fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.3938012]

>>3937920
Good old nepotism coupled with companies putting diversity hires in charge of shows that children don't even watch, because it gives them good publicity in trying times. Said diversity hires then hire their buddies from art school / random tranny artists from social media who can't even stay on model and only work to inject their gay shit in kids shows. Same reason why Disney doesn't pull the plug on Marvel comics.
Japan, for how crappy it is, still runs on meritocracy.

[Anonymous No.3938014]

>>3938005
Miyazaki and Anno were right about everything. Anime did become shitty.

[Anonymous No.3938028]

>>>/co/

[Anonymous No.3938035]

>>3937920
Art is dead. The only artists that make money are top tier art directors and porn artists.

[Anonymous No.3938053]

>>3937920

In Japan, it is an honor to die from "karoshi"; literal overworking to death.

American's aren't lazy, per se, but fucking LOVE cutting corners to save money. And if that means having to simplify and overstylize a cartoon to the point of being unaesthetic, you damn well know they would do it as long as it would save a good buck..

[Anonymous No.3938061]

>>3938053
It makes no difference to the Korean animators if the cartoon looks like shit or not, and you can have much better quality with the same amount of lines.

[Anonymous No.3938065]

>>3937920
I like watching this shit OP

What are you going to do

[Anonymous No.3938084]

>>3937920
Because a bunch of tumblrinas got hired on as animators / art directors and are pushing their style on everything.

[Anonymous No.3938089]

>>3938053
They don't honor it, wtf are you talking about

[Anonymous No.3938096]

>>3938053
The biggest irony in people always spouting this is that America is one of the most overworked countries in the world and they don't even realize it. Meanwhile in Japan they literally shit at their desk and watch cat videos "working".

Its actually frowned upon in Japan to work too hard, because then you're showing up your coworkers and your boss and they'll just heave a fuckton more work on you for the sake of punishing you. You work by being at your desk, not by actually working.
In America they actually care about what you're performance is.

[Anonymous No.3938098]

>>3937920
I'd unironically watch American cartoons if they looked like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VjsAq6436U

[Anonymous No.3938107]

>>3938098
Good taste.
Men In Black: the Animated Series was the last cartoon I know of to use a similar comic-y style.

[Anonymous No.3938111]

>>3937920
>americans can't anima-

[Anonymous No.3938121]

>>3937920
Japanese people are objectively superior to sub human westerners
https://twitter.com/cartoon_jpn/status/1114075200528748545

[Anonymous No.3938134]

>>3937950
>>Seriously, why are southern americans so fucking ugly and lazy?
*Fixed

[Anonymous No.3938211]

>>3937920
Because Scott Pilgrim. That comic is the root of all this evil. It started it all.

[Anonymous No.3938214]

>>3937977
This is kinda true for me my parents never helped with my interests, they even discouraged me to quit practicing my instrument because the noise bothered them. A teacher gave me my first sketchbook. My mom would never tell me anything about my drawings like at all and my dad would only comment that it was cause of him that I had any talent while coked up/drunk.

I’m slightly bitter about that. But I’m old so I copied a lot of styles from being raised on cable and vhs growing up. Early 2000s anime was a huge influence too. I will never stop drawing.

Also, cal arts internet style is really shit.

[Anonymous No.3938216]

>>3937977
This is kinda true for me my parents never helped with my interests, they even discouraged me to quit practicing my instrument because the noise bothered them. A teacher gave me my first sketchbook. My mom would never tell me anything about my drawings like at all and my dad would only comment that it was cause of him that I had any talent while coked up/drunk.

I’m slightly bitter about that. But I’m old so I copied a lot of things styles from being raised on cable and vhs growing up. Early 2000s anime was a huge influence too. I will never stop drawing.

Also, cal arts internet style is really shit.

[Anonymous No.3938271]

Good thread OP.

>>3938005
>>3938014
>>3937928
>>3938028
>>3938065
>>3938121
Seething

>>3938111
>What are Koreans, who animate 90%of everything

[Anonymous No.3938281]

>>3938005
Gotta admit he is right. Quality anime is becoming rare.

[Anonymous No.3938298]

>>3937920
because effort is too hard

[Anonymous No.3938299]

>>3938271
>What are Koreans, who animate 90%of everything
any proof that they did?

[Anonymous No.3938688]

>>3938298
there is no weight to that sword and how the hell would you take it out with such short arms?

[Anonymous No.3938704]

>>3938134
you mean, those fat black women? yeah, they are. but to be fair, america is a nation of ugly people.

[Anonymous No.3938721]

>>3938704
Nice one polfag, at least make sense when shitposting.

[Anonymous No.3938729]

>>3938688
Stop questioning good art

[Anonymous No.3938730]

>>3938721
>Nice one
thank you. americans tend to deflect when facing the truth that they're mostly ugly.

[Anonymous No.3938733]

>>3937920
mass production?

[Anonymous No.3938739]

>>3938730
Rent Free my 3rd worlder.

[Anonymous No.3938743]

>>3938739
>Rent Free
not even megamind could bear the weight

[Anonymous No.3938796]

>>3937920
It's the ugliness more than the laziness. Americans have an obsession with the 'authentic', which often just means taking something that works and turning it on its head. There can be no long lasting artistic traditions in such a climate, because if an appealing style emerges the first instinct of the American is to disfigure it in the name of originality. In contrast the collectivist Asians work together without hostility towards those who copy their styles. Variations in style do emerge, but as a natural consequence of taste, rather than from an obsession.

[Anonymous No.3938915]

>>3937920
>drawing hands is too hard just draw blobs or something lmao

I think I can probably make it in America.

[Anonymous No.3939007]

>>3938005
Recent anime is just fine. But we've been getting some shit tier open 2D animated feel quality shows lately.

[Anonymous No.3939975]

>>3937920
American cartoons have a bigger focus on writing, so the drawing style is secondary. Japanese cartoons need flashy and overcomplicated designs to distract you from the shitty plot.

[Anonymous No.3940084]

If it’s cheap and it sells then they don’t give a fuck. Good thread retard

[Anonymous No.3940104]

cause money. which cartoons are not shitty in your opinion, OP? Anime with the same fucking frame on the screen for half a minute at the time? Or multi-million fucking theater movies that will make their money back and then some, even if it is shitty emoji movie? money makes the world go round. Western cartoons have a loong history of extreme stylization. Look at flintstones or jetsons or simpsons or whatever else. And to tell you the truth, those overstylized cartoons aged much better than much more realistic-looking he-man. stop being a whiny bitch and go look at your anime screensaver pretending to be actual animation, faggot.

[Anonymous No.3940121]

>>3939975
But the writing in American cartoons sucks? It's just them saying quirky words all day and being retarded

[Anonymous No.3940141]

>>3938915
>tfw you could've made it but are born in Yurop and too yuropoor to buy a plane ticket

[Anonymous No.3940502]

>>3938005
Watch good animes that was made by good studios like madhouse

[Anonymous No.3940508]

>>3940502
>this is peak anime studio quality
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAA I CANT. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.3940514]

>>3937920
they were good back in the 90s

[Anonymous No.3940515]

>>3938012
Nepotism exists more so in the Japanese animation industry you autist. No, the animators who make less than a grocery bagger don’t count.

[Anonymous No.3940571]

>>3939975
Can confirm, this is why Sonic, Kirby, and Smash had shit short telling and used spectacles to make it seem badass to Americans. Don't get me started on Shonen

[Anonymous No.3940573]

>>3940121
That's comedies retard. That's not story telling.

[Anonymous No.3940586]

>>3937920
Because we ARE ugly and lazy.

Idiot.

[Anonymous No.3940612]

>>3940515
>Nepotism exists more so in the Japanese animation industry
source?

[Anonymous No.3941477]

[Anonymous No.3942367]

Stop generalizing. Not all American cartoons look like OK K.O.

[Anonymous No.3942406]

>>3942367
post examples then. I don't hate western cartoons or anything but I legitimately can't think of a recent example with effort put into the art style

[Anonymous No.3942511]

>>3938005
>animu now a days is ALL 3d
dumb faggot.
even if 3d animu becomes cheaper to produce, they still have the audience that want a high standard of the visual aspect of anime (no animation errors or QUALITY, etc.)
Also most weebs hate the 3d shit because it doesn't look good for the anime style- and it doesn't produce the same feeling of 2d animation.

Also you're forgetting the fact that westerners do a WORSE job when it comes to cel shaded 3d, RWBY being the epitome of that example along with the Dragon Prince (made by the guy who created Avatar the Last airbender I think).

[Anonymous No.3942534]

>>3942511
Rwby has arguably better animation for the budget it has compared to anime studios. Dragon prince as shitty as it is definitely has better animation than any 3d cell-shaded anime out there anyways. Not to mention even garbage rwby manages to know how to set up a scene correctly to where it’s appealing. Thinking otherwise is just being delusional.

[Anonymous No.3942669]

>>3942534
>going this far to defend western shit and not wanting to admit that western studios have flaws
RWBY and monty's animations are lacking in basic animation fundamentals, most notably weight in movement/impact. Also the scenes have horrible composition and relies on 5 second 'cool' action ideas when the rest of the 20min episode looks like pic related.
Dragon prince has fundamental problems too, but in fps. Its much, much lower than even anime's average fps that makes the animations 'clunky' but does so because smooth 3d animations that you see in disney don't work with cel shaded shapes that look 2d.

you keep posting Beserk, but you seem to not show other bad anime 3d that's recent (aka hide the fact that there's dozens of examples of japs being able to pull off good 3d in their style out of 1 shitty one- where as all of western produced celshading has been objectively shit; common examples are Arpeggio of Blue Steel, BRS (both came out at the same time as RWBY), Houseki no Kuni)

[Anonymous No.3942693]

>>3940508
is that overlord?
dumb ass chinks ruin everything not fate stay

[Anonymous No.3942712]

>>3942669
>keeps posting low budget 3d cartoon
Not even the same anon you replied to originally. Berserk is just a great example of horrid animation. literally the only good 3d anime you listed is Houseki no Kuni and that’s only because they follow western medium techniques. The show still has many flaws you can cherrypick as you do the same. Also the only reason why Dragon prince’s FPS is so low is very clearly due to budget cuts and time constraints. It’s not the fake meme everyone tries to peddle that they want to imitate 2d animation. It just takes a lot more time to put in more frames just as any other animating medium (there’s scenes in houseki no kuni with the same frame rate this isn’t unique to dragon prince). They have even addressed these complaints and are going to fix it in the next seasons (season 1 and 2 are actually just a split season).

[Anonymous No.3942752]

>>3938214
My dad was like lazy while my mom was the opposite

My dad did encourage me to draw by drawing though, it was one of the few things he would actively do and he was actually fairly good at it, especially fantasy animals and houses

my mom however has a tendency to really overreact to the point it feels repulsive so I stopped drawing after while

I only picked up drawing again recently though I try to do it in secret, because she still likes to overreact to these things even of it's in a positive way

[Anonymous No.3942945]

>>3942406
Rise of the TMNT, Love, Death, and Robots, the new Duck Tales, The Loud House, We Bare Bears, anything on Adult Swim, Tangled, Villainous. The list goes on. American animation may be repetitive at times but it's more diverse than people assume.

[Anonymous No.3943059]

>>3942712
Nothing about houseki no kuni is remotely western, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.3943117]

>>3943059
>western medium techniques
>techniques
Anon...

[Anonymous No.3943944]

>>3942945
when did raphael get so ripped

[Anonymous No.3943970]

>>3937920
calarts was a fucking mistake

[Anonymous No.3943986]

>>3943970
Ian never went to calarts you literal autist

[Anonymous No.3944025]

>>3942669
>people watch this fucking garbage because there are some anime thots in it
I fucking hate this gay planet

[Anonymous No.3944029]

>>3939975
>American cartoons have a bigger focus on writing
they're just as dumb as weebshit if not more except they're starting to shove virtue signaling in it

[Anonymous No.3944032]

>>3937920
Because it is made by snowflakes that have issues and so they cannot be expected to work hard.

[Anonymous No.3944033]

>>3940515
You are confounding hierarchy with nepotism. People at the top of the hierarchy are usually experienced and at least professional, they got there for a reason so they have the right to do whatever. Nepotism is when you put an unprofessional tumblrina who spews kill all men on twitter instead of working in charge of a show, because she will sue you if you kick her out.

[Anonymous No.3945125]

>>3937920
Because skill is a meme

[Anonymous No.3945155]

>>3945125
>father and daughter look similar
NO WAY, STOP THE PRESSES

[Anonymous No.3945178]

>>3937954
Flapjack had simplistic character designs but the backgrounds and all the other pieces and animation styles made it work, also the style worked great for the gross out thing they were going for.
Most of the new cartoons take that simple style but have nothing to add to it, it's one dimensional.

[Anonymous No.3945179]

>>3941477
I hate when people bring this one out when defending shit animation. This show is obviously not shit, there are so many different styles and elements of animation going on along with the backgrounds and shading that the whole thing reads very competent. Take something like Adventure time, SU, or that candy witch show with the blonde girl, they're all basic and lifeless shit devoid of effort or vision.

[Anonymous No.3945270]

>>3937923
Please don't confuse my wife with that wannabe ninja.

[Anonymous No.3945337]

>>3937920
Its very cheap to make. You can still find well drawn animation from westerners of course along with the definition of trash in the east. But its the cold truth. Its cheap.

[Anonymous No.3945349]

>>3945179
Adventure time has some really nice visuals. There’s been plenty of times where they hired guest animators too. It’s so strange to hear this show as bland. Even Steven universe has some wonderful bgs but I can understand how this one isn’t easy on the eyes.

[Anonymous No.3945369]

>>3945337
This. western cartoon industry will always find ways to cut corners. Plus it has always outsourced its animation so it’s not like animators have any passion behind it. A Steven universe episode cost around 1.2 million to make while a show like ok ko with far lower ratings has a budget of much less. It cost a whole lot to fix the many errors episodes have when offshore animators send back the finished product. So they have to pay on top of the already agreed to amount to fix these errors. While in japan this hasn’t been the case until more recent times and they do the opposite. They overwork their workers who have passion for the things they make and underpay them. This leads to anime having higher quality animation at a fraction of the cost so really in the west’s eye ok ko is cheap but for Japan an ok ko episode would be considered expensive.
>inb4 it’s too much money no way it’s a million
Rebecca sugar has a net worth of 4 million, and she only receives a tiny amount of the profits. The entertainment industry is very profitable, it’s just right now cable is dying but she still manages to turn a profit. Not to mention animation in most higher-up’s eyes are seen as far too expensive to make so that’s why there tends to be a dry spell until networks make a hit.

[Anonymous No.3945513]

>>3941477
>most visually appealing show to come out of CN from the last 10 years
>also the only CN show to not be produced in america
really makes you think

[Anonymous No.3945515]

>>3939975
>American cartoons have a bigger focus on writing
Hahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.3945527]

>>3945513
Actually amazing world of gumball comes from Ireland. Also it does have good writing once you get deeper into that shit. It seems random but there is universal continuity and there's a bigger story going on behind the small episodic arcs. Shit gets weird in that show.

[Anonymous No.3945528]

>>3945527
Oops misread you dude sorry haha ignore my dumb ass

[Anonymous No.3945917]

>>3937928
you say that like this wasn't trying to copy/reference anime like every episode

[Anonymous No.3945923]

>>3938084
>animators
don't blame the koreans for this
the faggots who make the shittiest looking storyboards are to blame

[Anonymous No.3945926]

>>3942945
all of that sounds awful, though
also, villainous is mexican

[Anonymous No.3945950]

>>3940508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jakLeunGJGU
?
Nitpicking is easy, I can do it too

[Anonymous No.3945970]

>>3937950
kek
>>3938134
la creatura...

[Anonymous No.3945979]

>>3945970
Not that far down south, the Rednecks.

[Anonymous No.3946007]

>>394592
>sounds awful
Try watching them first, then you can judge them.
>also, villainous is Mexican
That's true, my mistake.

[Anonymous No.3946011]

>>3945926
>sounds awful
Try watching them first, then you can judge them.
>also, villainous is Mexican
That's true, my mistake.

[Anonymous No.3946020]

>>3946011
>Try watching them first, then you can judge them.
not him but anon some people here dont watch cartoon shows for children (excluding adult swim and love death)

[Anonymous No.3946189]

>>3937923
>>3945270
You smell bad

[Anonymous No.3948833]

>>3937920
Simple designs are easier and quicker to animate, American/western cartoons have more motion and fluidity as opposed to Jap shit. Japanese cartoons, on the other hand, are more detailed and anatomically correct, but they take longer to make and often use shortcuts such as the classic 'still frame with a moving mouth.' However, there are standouts that do different stuff in both fields, respectively.

[Anonymous No.3950243]

>>3945155
Similar=/=The Same

[Anonymous No.3950278]

>>3940502
>madhouse
>good
its not good anymore

[Anonymous No.3950357]

>>3948833
based unbasied anon

[Anonymous No.3950482]

>>3937950
rude

[Anonymous No.3950498]

>>3945125
nice

[Anonymous No.3950502]

>>3942945

Those turtles look like shit by the way.

[Anonymous No.3950957]

>>3942945
Can't fucking believe the best looking US cartoon right now is a TMNT rehash. Shit's cool though. A cartoon with some pointed edges and attitude, a breath of fresh air in the current climate of TV animation.

[Anonymous No.3951992]

>>3937920
this show tackled gun control one time.

[Anonymous No.3952082]

>>3942712
You obviously don't know how 3d animation works if you think the low framerate is due to budget and not an intentional choice. You get the inbetweens for free in 3d and you can tweak them in a graph editor, node editor, program it etc to introduce variance in timing and spacing.
You have to go out of your way to skip frames like dragon prince does to try and emulate a 2d feel (and fail).
The game guilty gear xrd is a good example of 3d animation cutting frames to emulate 2d successfully.