/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3927205]

How do I get started with and learn landscape and scenery painting?

[Anonymous No.3927208]

Using digital media, I might add.

[Anonymous No.3927209]

>>3927205
I guess you go out and draw

[Anonymous No.3927210]

>>3927209
>>3927208
NEVERMIND

[Anonymous No.3927214]

>>3927210
fuck

[Anonymous No.3927233]

>>3927209
>>3927210
>>3927214
paintings like this are more symbolic than representational most of the time. they aren't painting every grain of wheat or angle on a rock exactly as they are seeing it, it's a lot of "effects". Not to diminish the technique involved, but if this is your goal it's a lot easier than you think it is.

[Anonymous No.3927240]

>>3927233
>t. bob ross
when you're doing low tier shit like bob ross yeah it's definitely like what you said but you need to undunning-krueger yourself

[Anonymous No.3927246]

>>3927233
That's fine, it's more appealing to me anyway. But I have no idea where and how to start like I do with drawing people for example.

[Anonymous No.3927277]

OP, you're going to be just like the poor bastards on writhing on the ground in
>pic related
if you attempt to recapture what those artists desired to capture in their pieces. You should learn your new medium first then strive to manifest your own ideals in your own works.

[Anonymous No.3927280]

>digital
Anons, I need some digital tips here
Also not op

[Anonymous No.3927285]

>>3927233
>paintings like this are more symbolic than representational most of the time. they aren't painting every grain of wheat or angle on a rock exactly as they are seeing it,
I don't think you actually looked at any of those paintings you quoted

[Anonymous No.3927288]

>>3927277
The pics are just random whatever relevant to the topic pictures, I don't want to imitate them. I just want general tips on getting started with this type of painting as opposed to figure or mechanical drawing or whatever.

[Anonymous No.3927300]

>>3927285
>>3927240
even my very rudimentary paintings employ the same techniques used in the above paintings. Most painting is less about observation and more about pattern recognition and convincing repetition.

>Painting a fence
>recognize general pattern of fence
>match detail of fence with detail of rest of painting

that concept is simple in my pic related, but it's the same concept writ large in the paintings OP posted. Same concept, just smaller brushes and different colors.

[Anonymous No.3927307]

>>3927300
I'm sorry dude but you are on nowhere the same level as something like >>3927209
>painting is less about observation and more about pattern recognition
Is that's the case you're really not that great at either. Theres's a huge amount of observation AND patterns involved in something like >>3927214 while next to nothing in yours.

[Anonymous No.3927351]

I've been painting landscapes and natural scenes from pictures I've taken/found online and started from scratch. Both not knowing shit about painting such subjects nor how to do any digital painting.
So far I'm not doing that well but I'm starting to learn more stuff and doing more convincing plants and shit.

Going by that, I think it's all quite related to how much you already know about painting. If you already know how to paint, then it's just a matter of learning how to paint the subject. Any thinfbyou don't know just adds another layer of complexity.

I'd say find a picture of a landscape you like. Do a lot of observation, and then paint whatever you can the best you can. Then do more paintings, start them and drop them as soon as you feel you don't have anything more to learn with that particular one. Other than that, to see the process and find some tips. Watch videos of people painting landscapes. There's quite a few out there.

[Anonymous No.3927366]

>>3927300
This is like a third grader saying that his poetry is basically Shakespearean because he’s employed some of the same basic techniques. Fuck off, you’re absolute trash and need many years of practice.

[Anonymous No.3927392]

>>3927366
Back into the bucket, crab.

[Anonymous No.3927395]

>>3927307
He's not claiming they're on the same level, ffs. He's making an accurate statement that even the beginning steps of learning how use the same techniques as the masters.

I disagree about the pattern recognition thing, but that's not the point.

[Anonymous No.3927397]

>>3927307
>>3927366
Imagine being such a crab you have to distort statements from people so you can intentionally get offended over them.

[Anonymous No.3927399]

Stop arguing about stupid crab things and just post the Loomis of landscape painting or something

[Anonymous No.3927401]

>>3927205
>How do I get started with and learn landscape and scenery painting?

The same way you do with any style or form of art - try it.

Landscape is the easiest thing, because we're surrounded by it. Go look at some, and try to capture it on paper and canvas.

The same principles apply - observation, composition, perspective, values, hues. Break a scene down to it's basic elements, and work up from there.

Once you can reliably paint what's there, then you can crank it up a few notches, and start to play with it - be more choosy about what scene you want to paint, and why. Delve into showing seasons, time of day, certain kinds of plants or the shore, or mountains. You can spend an entire career on landscapes, and never get bored.

The one key to landscape that can be the hardest part, especially working plein air, is values. Values will sell a landscape every time. It's something everyone is familiar with, and if they're off, even the most untrained eye can tell. Values shift every minute of the day, as the sun moves across the sky, or if it's cloudy, or by the time of year (winter is less saturated, summer is more, etc.)

It all starts with trying. Get some landscape pictures, or just go outside and try to paint/draw what you see.

[Anonymous No.3927409]

>>3927233
It's more focus than effect, and it's a legitimate point. Art is the illusion of life, and a common beginning mistake is thinking you have to draw every blade of grass.

I think it's better to start looser, in an impressionist style, to get into capturing the hues and values accurately, and add more detail as your skill and confidence grows, and learn how to be selective in what you render and what you don't.
Something like this, by William Wendt. I live in CA, and can appreciate how he's captured the colors of CA - the olive greens, the ochres, etc, juxtapozed by the blue of the sky. He spent his career capturing the "feel" of the California landscape. The level of detail isn't high, because it's all about the hues, and values, and composition.

[Anonymous No.3927797]

>>3927205
Landscapes and scenery paintings are mainly focused on design and composition.
Plen air painters will go to a location and paint from it, but they will alter what they see in order to design it.
For example, look at the s-curve of the path in >>3927209
It's intended to draw the viewer into the painting. I'm only guessing it's supposed to lead us to the people farther into the distance

I'd say if you want to do these, you should focus first on your composition skills
Details are also a factor you want to consider, but composition will make or break you.

[Anonymous No.3927835]

>>3927233

Shishkin is known for making unusually detailed landscape paintings

[Anonymous No.3927941]

>>3927797

That wasn't plein air though, obviously

[Anonymous No.3928189]

>>3927280
Buy a mobile tool and work outside. Either a laptop + tablet, or iPad, or a good Android tablet (Galaxy Tab that is). If the sun is too bright though you're screwed.

Alternatively, do studies outside with traditional media and then paint digitally at home. As for the choice of media you can go with just a pencil, or if you want colors take acrylics or gouache. Watercolors and pastels are good choices too, but you might need more time to learn watercolors, and you need to be extra careful with pastels. The experience will be useful anyway, so do it.

Also, take up photography, take pictures of the landscapes you see, you can later use them as refs. But be careful with colors, always observe the true colors and take notes of how you would render them in a painting, because a photo will screw that up.

Finally, do master studies.

[Anonymous No.3929178]

>>3927205
You need to learn how to create perspective with colour. The rule for landscapes is this: warm colours in the front, cold colours in the background.

[Anonymous No.3929320]

>>3927300
I don't know what people are seeing in your pictures but I honestly think you are gifted. The colors and realism in this is striking imo.

pic related one of mine, I'll start painting this summer