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Do you use a manikin?

What purpose do they serve?

>> No.3904514

>>3904509
No.

Probably good starting point for observation drawing, simple shapes that will give both hard and soft shadows

>> No.3904516

>>3904514
Do you feel a beginner should get one? I found some cheap ones. Or is it a waste?

>> No.3904532

>>3904516
>Do you feel a beginner should get one?
>Do you feel a beginner should get one?
Yes get one, it is a cheap and long term investment.

>What purpose do they serve?
It can offer you a wide variety of ways to study the fundamental shape of the human body.

Using the humble mannequin can teach you many things about the shape of the human form, how light and shadow interacts with it, how it can change from different poses and points of view, you can put other object beside it like box to simulate a wall, or drapery on it to serve as basic clothing.

>> No.3904534

>>3904516
Just use DesignDoll

>> No.3904536

>>3904509

It's good for observing light and shadow, but you need a separate table and lamp to actually make use of it. Counterintuitively, it's not good for learning human posing.

>> No.3904540

>>3904509
They give you an idea of basic poses. Sometimes you need a little direction to get the mind's eye working to finish the job. It makes it easier to get high angle shots right when you can't set up a camera in that position and take your own ref photos.

>> No.3904564

That shit has very limited poses.

So no. Learn to gesture poses

>> No.3904613

>>3904509
I bought one and just keep it around, things like these are just handy to have around and glance at, it will help you visualize the mannequin and its proportions etc better because your mind will have seen it around multiple times. Its passively adding to your visual memory. Kinda like how we know when a face is off because we see them so damn much.
I have a few things like this around.

>> No.3904616

>>3904509
Get one to reference if you want all your drawings to look like stiff wooden dolls.

>> No.3904644

>>3904509
i used to have one like in the pic n they suck. theyre hard to pose n keep upright n the proportions arent even good. if ur planning on getting one id suggest saving up for one of the fancy plastic ones

>> No.3904655

>>3904509
It's just to put around your work space when you take shots for Instagram so people think you're an actual artist and shit

>> No.3904669

get one of those wapanese ones which are actually poseable and are more anatomically accurate.

>> No.3904790

>>3904509
No.
>stiff as fuck
>limited joint range
>not anatomically accurate enough

>what purpose do they serve?
Honestly, I have no idea. It's terrible at everything. If the point is posting the figure to draw, then you probably already have an idea of what you want. Why not just draw from your mind? The doll isn't dynamic or expressive unless you look at it at extreme closeness and angles. It's all so tiresome.

>> No.3904817

>>3904790
My man you should have read the replies in the thread, the whole purpose of those dolls has always been to view and practice light and shadow on the planes of a figure (put mannikin in pose -> shine a light on it -> observe values)

>> No.3904823

>>3904817
Because he's an opinionated noob who falls into the trap of immediately associating the doll only with poses, and he also really wanted to say "It's all so tiresome.".

>> No.3904850

They were useful before we had internet and computers with 3d modeling programs. Now you can download a program with premade poses and infinite angles that are more flexible than shitty wooden manikins.

>> No.3904864

Had one. It was worthless. If you must have something like that, get one of those Japanese action-figure-like reference dolls with all the points of articulation. That would probably be much more useful.

>> No.3904869

>>3904509
There was a thread/post a while ago about how modern mannequins went from actual movable mannequins to decoration garbage.

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3904892

>>3904509
>Do you use a manikin?
No.
Modern art manikins are so awful art schools recommend using action figures instead.
Watts Atelier in particular recommends using the 18 inch Toy Biz Spiderman 2 fig because of it's accurate musculature and high posability.

>> No.3904905

>>3904892
>$100 used is the cheapest price I can find
yikes, I got my little art manikin for less than $10

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3904956

>>3904905
Yeah, it's expensive as fuck, but that's just the fig the Watts Atelier recommends.
Any Spiderman figure works as long as it is posable.

It's best to just grab a cheap one from your local store.
But you got those $10 cheated out of your wallet, man.

>> No.3905021

>>3904892
>accurate musculature

>> No.3905035

virtually worthless for poses, but can be at least semi useful for drapery

>> No.3905082

>>3905021
Accurate as in "simplifies and defines the muscle groups in an accurate way". It actually follows the same forms as the Loomis manikin in his figure drawing book, that's why it's recommended at the Watts Atelier.
Of course you ain't gonna find a 100% anatomically correct figure, you dummy.

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3906538

>>3904509
Got this for less than 10 bucks on amazon.
I only use it if i got a pose or perspective in mind but can't get it from my mind on paper. and i use a lamp to emulate lighting if i need it.
Going for expensive ones is a waste.

>> No.3906807

>>3904509
they have their niche uses
but as general drawing tool to say, actually drawing people in dynamic poses? hell fucking no