Traditional General

[Anonymous No.3889905]

Rest in smithereens, Draw Thread

Post your art done in traditional mediums here. It's plein air season, baby!

[Anonymous No.3890087]

Did this today

[Anonymous No.3890348]

trees

[Anonymous No.3890516]

I can't wait till a Comforti shows up on the Antiques Roadshow

[Anonymous No.3890527]

>>3890516
"At auction this could fetch you about $50"
"Wow"
"Yeah he sucked"
"Hm, I didn't know"
"You can always still hang it in your house though"

[Anonymous No.3890609]

>>3889905
2 wips

[Anonymous No.3890610]

>>3890609

[Anonymous No.3890621]

>>3890610
Dig it

Did another study off my eye cast. Damn it takes forever to lay-in the block-in. Oil is so sticky. Anyway I overworked it a bit and keyed it too dark, but it's better than yesterday's:
>>3889541

[Anonymous No.3890794]

>>3889905
pls post what reference is used. from life, photo, no ref etc...

[Anonymous No.3890803]

>>3890621
is that paper?

[Anonymous No.3890873]

>>3890803
Yep, Arches

[Anonymous No.3890925]

Here is an older one. Will post a WIP in an hour or two.

[Anonymous No.3890927]

>>3890794
it was done from life, I work pretty much exclusively from life and imagination/memory at this point

[Anonymous No.3890980]

>>3890621
do you use a medium?

[Anonymous No.3891030]

>>3890925
Here it is

[Anonymous No.3891163]

critique me plums please

[Anonymous No.3891178]

>>3891163
You would benefit doing it from life. Copying an image is good practice for handling paint but it looks like you have that down enough to get into translating from life. Your brush size makes alot of the light and shade proportions very inaccurate. Spending more time studying actual lighting effects will be much more worth your time.

[Anonymous No.3891190]

>>3891178
I don't feel that sure myself, this being my fifth or so picture and I don't have enough room to set up anything with decent lighting.
I'm trying to just learn painting better with 4 to 8 size brushes and larger strokes because I tend to get autismal with smaller ones and overwork areas and also I'm trying to unlearn filling in the background like a robot.
I think there is sufficient progress that in maybe five more picture copies I'll move to trying painting from life, but no sooner.

[Anonymous No.3891194]

One of my recent landscapes, not painted outside yet this year, gearing the puppy up to experiencing it. Took her to the woods today-when she got tired she started rolling in poo.
Also, she gets car sick after 1 mile in the car. Excellent.
So, waiting for really good weather to bother without the outside stuff (I'm in the UK).
This is oil, 6x8 inches.

[Anonymous No.3891203]

>>3891163
dont be afraid of strong blues anon

stop muckign it all up with blacks and whites

[Anonymous No.3891209]

>>3891203
actually funny thing happened as I was painting this
when I was starting to mix paints first colour I mixed was purple because I was thinking of plums
imagine my shock when I went to the reference and discovered that plums are actually blue

[Anonymous No.3891228]

>>3891194
What do you use to mix your greens?

[Anonymous No.3891260]

>>3890927
I meant posters in general should include what reference was used. Maybe you could include it in the next /trad/? good job on painting that that from life reference.

[Anonymous No.3891279]

if u dont mind

[Anonymous No.3891292]

can someone tell me if the eyes are weird? I feel like the eyes are weird

[Anonymous No.3891311]

>>3891292
they're just right, you just spent too much time looking at it

[Anonymous No.3891371]

did this painting today outside an old hotel. It was a cloudy day, so it stayed bright enough after the sun set for me to paint

[Anonymous No.3891405]

>>3891228
These were mostly cad yellow, cad yellow deep, bit of the cad red, ultra blue, and cobalt blue.
Sometimes I use oxide of chrome (PG17) but not on it's own, always with some cad yellow, and cad yellow mixed in, for instance.
That will be in the grass mixtures a bit here.

[Anonymous No.3891417]

>>3891405
Anyway, here is the next of the small landscapes I've done.

[Anonymous No.3891426]

>>3891417
from life or photo? sightsize?

[Anonymous No.3891444]

>>3891426
These are from photos, as I said, my pup isn't used to my painting outside so I haven't done any this year yet. I paint all my still lives from life though.
I don't use sight-size usually, occasionally when outside I sort of sight size.

[Anonymous No.3891484]

>>3889905
lol Jimmy just sent me this. eternally btfo

[Anonymous No.3891500]

>>3891279
I remember your birb from another thread. I really liked it. Did you use some reference or was it actually some bird you came across?

[Anonymous No.3891517]

>>3890516
I really admire his persistence when he’s not being an ass(to me:), but I’d fall out of my chair if I saw that happen.

[Anonymous No.3891567]

posted this one in another thread
very aware that the eyes are fukt and off center. gonna redo them soon

[Anonymous No.3891570]

>>3891567
I like it. it's interesting to look at. photo ref?

[Anonymous No.3891612]

>>3891570
thanks m8
I used one of those generic neon japanese street pics but I can't for the life of me find it again

[Anonymous No.3891615]

painted this from the garage door light while it was nice and dark and foggy outside near the street light

[Anonymous No.3891665]

>>3891371
i think i've seen this building before.. mind telling me what city?

[Anonymous No.3891672]

>>3891665
id rather not say where I live

[Anonymous No.3891708]

>>3891500
I took a photo of a bird and painted it

[Anonymous No.3892192]

>>3891163
Your treatment of the subject is too complex for the time you're spending on it. The other anon is right about brush size as well. If you want to go into as much detail as you're attempting, you need to paint in the form with a thin layer using your current brush size, let it tack up, then go back in with a detailing pass using a smaller brush. Avoid/remove any globs or bulbs of excess paint until you know you won't be detailing the area any further.

>>3891279
maybe work on controlling hard and soft edges.

>>3891292
Turn your charcoal on its side and get the form of the eyes to read with just a shadow-shape block-in. Only then add detail. I'll make another post with more detail.

>>3890980
No, most of the artists whose work I am trying to approach have told me that they work straight from the tube. I've seen one do so, so I believe it. She was unfortunately rather tight-fisted otherwise about details on technique (which bristle type when, paint consistency, etc.).

Here's one of a nose cast frome a few days ago.

[Anonymous No.3892204]

>>3891292
>>3892192

I don't have any pics of examples in charcoal handy, but I'm essentially doing the same thing I recommended here in oil to wind up at
>>3890621
Admittedly, my block in is less simple than it should be, and my choices on value-placement doesn't read as well as they could. My grip on oil is still pretty weak, so the final result above isn't proof enough on it's own of the technique I'm preaching. *However* contrast it with the next post and I think you'll be convinced.

[Anonymous No.3892213]

pic is the bad eye I mentioned in
>>3890621

My block-in on this one wasn't really a block-in, I essentially went straight in with the detail instead of first focusing on getting the form to read simply. You can see immediately that it's much less cohesive than the other painting, i.e. 'weird'.

Like yours, it still looks like an eye, and it's not capital-W-Wrong, but it's not nearly as right as it ought to be.

Anyway, hope this helps.

[Anonymous No.3892255]

>>3892192
hard and soft edges? whats that

[Anonymous No.3892260]

did a painting in the rain today, fast forward to two days from now where the painting is so warped that i'll have to submit it to shows as a sculpture

[Anonymous No.3892316]

Little bit of study.

I have some hard time with shading and light so I'm trying with ballpoint pen to erase less

(pardon lined paper)

[Anonymous No.3892355]

>>3891484
Russian jannies don't like him

[Anonymous No.3892379]

>>3892316
looks really cool! photo ref I presume?

[Anonymous No.3892385]

>>3892260
>the painting is so warped that i'll have to submit it to shows as a sculpture
It happens sometimes. Looks great! Do you have a website or portfolio?

[Anonymous No.3892387]

Daily reminder that pro trad artists are absolute chads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sss6-SEC4Rk

[Anonymous No.3892439]

>>3892192
plum guy here, this is pretty decent advice actually
I'll attempt layering with future pictures

[Anonymous No.3893065]

>>3892379
Yeah, sadly. Most of the people I know are shy about posing for me and getting drawn :(

[Anonymous No.3893073]

>>3891615
Like this a lot

[Anonymous No.3893275]

im starting to realy enjoy this. im a /beginner, these are amongst my first portrait painting attempts. finished pic related just now. i feel like the eyes look flat. 1/2

[Anonymous No.3893279]

from a dew days ago. also, how do i mix darks that i can use as black? i use primary blue and raw umber but im not always happy with the resaults. 2/2

[Anonymous No.3893289]

Wip, first day

[Anonymous No.3893320]

>>3893279
use more red/warm colors in ur shadows

[Anonymous No.3893452]

Revelation: One of the reasons I’m finding it harder to draw is because every time I step up to the canvas to draw, after standing back to observe, I hold my breath.
I hold my breath until I get done with the line or two and then step back. I then take a big breath and think “wow that was taxing”.
I associated stepping up to the easel with physical stress and that association influenced my desire to do it.

Just thought I’d throw that out there.

I even did it right now when I took this pic:(

[Anonymous No.3893474]

>>3893289
easy on the colors, theres too much muddiness going on, paint your lights and shadows first and then you can work on adding base colors, avoid greys thats more for detailing aka specular/ambient rather than accurate light

[Anonymous No.3893674]

>>3893275
>>3893279
my advice would be to resist the temptation to blend colors so much and focus on placing color accurately.
A good method to do this is to look through a hole punched through a card (or through your first) so that you are able to see the isolated color of whatever it is you're looking at.
Also, focus primarily on an accurate drawing above all else.
As for mixed blacks, I find that alizarin crimson or quinacradone red mixed with ultramarine blue and a very very very tiny amount of cad yellow gets a nice mixed black.
Another general rule that you may find helpful is to keep your shadows and lights on opposite temperature scales. So if your shadows are cool, keep your lights warm. Felicia Forte is a great painter who posts a lot of process shots of her work, you might find those helpful!

[Anonymous No.3893689]

18x24 40 min study

[Anonymous No.3893987]

>>3893689
This is sick for 40 minutes. Only issue is that everything shadow side should be darker than the darkest part of your light side, and definitely darker than your sky.

>>3893674
I had the pleasure of an in-person lesson with her once. Her work is incredible.

I'm painting the eye cast one more time. Pretty sure I screwed up the horizontal measuring. Anyway I'm doing this study to focus on rendering technique and not win awards, so I guess I'll finish it out.

[Anonymous No.3894248]

>>3893474
Thanks, some adjustments

[Anonymous No.3894251]

>>3894248
Better pic

[Anonymous No.3894386]

Non oiled out or varnished version, of oil 8x10 inch GOT fan art.

[Anonymous No.3894396]

>>3894386
Her left (our right) eye is off and is jarringly wrong. The eye and the brow are too small and should be more equal in size and placement to the other eye & brow (which are much better).

[Anonymous No.3894512]

>>3894396
Yep, when I moved it to photograph, I put my finger in her eye. Looks like I've smushed the paint. Will re-do.

[Anonymous No.3894678]

>>3890087
I like it anon, I can really feel the wind and whismy weather on it even if I feel like more contrasts would have been nice too.

>>3890610
Looks cool. Really like the shadow across it.

>>3891163
Your plums are cute but I agree with the other anon saying they could use stronger blues, and more light on them

>>3891279
Really cool brid, love the touches of blue on feathers

>>3891567
Love it, though I feel leaving most of the lower half in black makes me want to change the composition and cut the painting in height a bit. But that's just me

>>3891615
Very atmospheric, love how the light feels

>>3892316
Looks really good, making me want to do more stuff with ballpoint too

>>3893289
I already love it, looking forward to seeing it finished

Complete beginer here by the way so don't take anything I say seriously I just felt like saying something about your works

[Anonymous No.3894845]

>>3893452
noted. I also associate drawing with physical exhaustion.

[Anonymous No.3894961]

Gonna dump some pen and ink stuff I worked on. I was messing around with a scratch sheet, practicing lines and rendering. Trying to get a more steady hand

[Anonymous No.3894964]

>>3894961
And old rock I made. I improved since then and learned how to render rocks a bit better. Notice how there's a lack of defined rock planes, and all the rendering lines go the same direction.

[Anonymous No.3894966]

>>3894964
A rock I made just now. Ignore the khaki brown lol. I was playing with a copic.

I like this rock much better. I defined the planes and facets of the rock much more and made the rendering lines go different ways to break up the monotony and make it look more natural.

[Anonymous No.3895300]

>>3894966
This one is much better than all the others. Like watching a Kakuna evolve into Beedrill.

>>3894251
Solid anatomy, measuring and color, but your brushwork is too busy. Start more simply.

Finished up
>>3893987
Other than poor measuring and the blown out shadow, I'm pretty happy with it. I'll have to start doing multi-session more often to discover how I want to approach rendering.

Somebody come at this with some brutal honesty. I've not had a good 'ol severe critique in a long time.

[Anonymous No.3895417]

Painted this in Gouache based off a google street view image.

[Anonymous No.3895448]

>>3894961
>>3894964
>>3894966
I like these, informative too. Pen & ink is the tits. Any other tips and tricks you picked up during inking practice? I recall there was a book on inking techniques but I forgot the name

[Anonymous No.3895466]

>>3895448
I remembered. There is a folder in the artbook thread's ==Miscellaneous (books, vids, brushes...)== mega link, all the way down under educational->drawing, painting->called Rendering in Pen and Ink.

It's a course consisting of a bunch of epubs that can be opened in browser, shows examples of many styles and really goes into detail on tools techniques and practice exercises. The images are also thoroughly explained

[Anonymous No.3895468]

>>3895417
love it. blog?

[Anonymous No.3895893]

Appreciate the critique

I'm drawing the same model

[Anonymous No.3895923]

>>3895468
Thanks!
theshutteredcity.tumblr.com

I should really get an Instagram or something but I just hate the interface so much.

[Anonymous No.3895932]

Trying to get better at drawing without reference

[Anonymous No.3896151]

Did a painting today, hoping to do another one, and sold one I did the other day

[Anonymous No.3896201]

Finally a thread for traditional work. Here is a really low res, glary picture of what im working on atm.

[Anonymous No.3896213]

>>3896201
If I had money I’d buy this from you. Maybe try introducing some more chromatic elements to it.

[Anonymous No.3896224]

>>3896213
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I was thinking about getting a little bit more color in, but I am not really sure how yet. I usually work with more colors, but I wanted to limit myself to Burnt Sienna, Ultramarine and Titanium White at the beginning, to see how far I can get with the bare essentials.

[Anonymous No.3896229]

>>3896224
I think you can get colors while keeping with that limited palette. I was thinking making the t-shirt a kind of bright sky blue, and making the ground maybe a toned down reddish orange that recedes back towards the shark. Nothing crazy, just some small areas of color

[Anonymous No.3896247]

[Anonymous No.3896254]

>>3896247
these are pretty large format, I have to start doing things on a more proper scale again

[Anonymous No.3896260]

>>3896254
and the bg shouldn't be glaring white, I know now

[Anonymous No.3896321]

>>3896201
Fantastic
>>3896229
God no

[Anonymous No.3896322]

Pictures made with photo ref should have a disclaimer. It seems like anyone can make a decent picture in any medium with photo ref, but there is rarely posted anything good made from life or imagination. Also the artistic integrity is gone when copying from a photo sorry.

[Anonymous No.3896341]

>>3896322
I mean it's pretty easy to tell.

I don't think >>3896201
is trying to hide that he's working from photos, and I don't think >>3896151
is aiming to make it look photographic.

[Anonymous No.3896357]

My first attempt at a live portrait. Ears ended up kinda wacky but I had to rush because sun was going down. ~45 min

>>3891279
Loving this one

[Anonymous No.3896955]

>>3896357
That's pretty good

[Anonymous No.3896964]

>>3890873
Arches is ridiculous, 30 dollars for a fuck you 10 sheets.

[Anonymous No.3896979]

>>3896955
Thank you!

Another thing, mixing colors with acryllics is just not going well for me, when they dry they change tons, and you can't control edges either. I will switch to oils soon

[Anonymous No.3896981]

>>3896979
Acrylics fucking suck. I can't mix a color unless i'm literally going to use it within 3 minutes or it dries out. If you want it to last longer you have to mix a ton of paint and waste it or spray water every 2 minutes and dilute the mix.

Oil is so much better apart from the drying time obviously.

[Anonymous No.3897072]

>>3896322
Imma going to post some pics, see if you can guess which are from photos & which from life.

[Anonymous No.3897073]

>>3897072
One more choice. I have to go walk the puppa, but I'll be back later to see how smart /ic is.

[Anonymous No.3897075]

Here is other pic. Wouldn't let me edit it smaller for a while there.

[Anonymous No.3897077]

Really digging the colours. Don’t listen to the other anon keep it like it is.

[Anonymous No.3897088]

>>3895932
Nice rendering and shapes, but the features are misplaced. Even if you take into account that her head is turned, her right eye (our left) is far too high, and the nose and mouth are facing different directions. Keep doing more of these but focus on getting the basic shapes right first before going into detail you'll get the hang of it

[Anonymous No.3897105]

>>3897072
bottom one is from a photograph

[Anonymous No.3897109]

>>3897088
inb4 it's cubism

[Anonymous No.3897120]

>>3896201
Meant to link
>>3897077

[Anonymous No.3897708]

>>3897088
Brian won't take this well

[Anonymous No.3897715]

>>3896964
It performs pretty well, which is what I care about. I tried chipboard, which was 50% cheaper, but it curled and looked shit.

[Anonymous No.3897722]

>>3897088
LISTEN HERE YOU SON OF A BITCH

[Anonymous No.3897775]

>>3897105
Are you the original 'photo comment anon'?
What about the fruit choices?
And is no-one else going to commit to making a choice??!

[Anonymous No.3897777]

>>3897775
We just don’t care

[Anonymous No.3897792]

>>3897777
Sums this site up, NGMI

[Anonymous No.3898076]

>>3897775
Bottom is photo, top is not. If the reverse, that artist makes poor choices.

[Anonymous No.3898209]

>>3897775
no, if I'd have to guess, I would guess that photo reference was used in the bottom one. because bright grass and dark trees

[Anonymous No.3898213]

>>3889905
Hey bricom what do you think of this christmas cake i tried to oc.

[Anonymous No.3898214]

>>3897775
Doesn't matter. They both look like shit because you couldn't control values and color and did the whole thing with a single size 8 filbert bristle. There's no gradation, no edge control, no sense of form.

Whoever painted these wouldn't benefit working from life until they learn the fucking basics of drawing.

[Anonymous No.3898229]

>>3898214
> you couldn't control values and color
>There's no gradation, no edge control, no sense of form.
kek ok. explain where in the painting he made those mistakes

[Anonymous No.3898244]

>>3897075
Fuck yeah.

[Anonymous No.3898540]

>>3898229
You got eyes nigga? Look at it!

[Anonymous No.3898721]

>>3898214
These are small 1 hour studies. I sell them, I sell hundreds each year. I work from life nearly exclusively.
Now what is your turnover, one or two abstract wank offs a year, to people with more money than sense?
If I wanted to post HD large scale paintings that take 10 or 20 hours, then I would have. This is about comparing a quick outdoor painting to a quick still life sketch and seeing if the same feeling of painting in front of the motif can be achieved by using a photo.

Fuck me, there's some right thickos around.

[Anonymous No.3898732]

>>3898721
Thanks for stopping by the thread to argue with yourself

[Anonymous No.3898734]

>>3898732
Won't bother again, Thought the point of ic was to help each other, learnt my lesson.

[Anonymous No.3898738]

>>3898734
Nigga you came in here to quiz us and brag about the money you make and call us NGMIs. How about you take all that fun energy over to the draw thread instead of here

[Anonymous No.3898919]

Just finished this copy of a William R. Davis Jr. painting. Probably gonna give it to my dad as a bday gift.

[Anonymous No.3899084]

I find my brushes bristles going all over the place or getting bed hair while I'm transporting it to and from school (in a canvas wrap/roll)

A teacher of mine previously had a jar of home made brush keeper that was waxy that students shared among themselves.

It was made of soap flakes and vegetable oil iirc. Does anyone know of the recipe or something similar to it?

[Anonymous No.3899290]

>>3898721
How much each?

[Anonymous No.3899300]

[Anonymous No.3899309]

[Anonymous No.3899377]

>>3899300
I like this

the left top could use somthing though

[Anonymous No.3899646]

>>3898721
So it's true what they say that the moment you start making nice money, skill level plateaus, comfort zone becomes a prison and massive ego takes over the entire body

[Anonymous No.3899775]

>>3899646
yes it's true in every field. people think money is a form of feed back and that they earned it, its top kek of life rly.

[Anonymous No.3899784]

>>3891194
Nic work, anon, but remember landscapes have cold colours in the background and warm in the foreground.

[Anonymous No.3899788]

>>3891163
You need to blend more and use more blue.

[Anonymous No.3899850]

Working in pic related for the next couple hours. What do you gots think I should add/do? In working in the baby doll in the right and surroundings area right now.

[Anonymous No.3900613]

>>3896201
Damn nice, good technique, + I like the mystery of your subject.
>>3895893
Well painted but I dont love your colour choices in the back ground.
>>3894966
Very nice, feels resolved and complete, only thing I dont like is the pencil marks in top right corner.
>>3894386
Texture of your support or gesso is coming through heaps and ruining it.
>>3891615
nice, love to see that orange peaking through.
>>3891417
>>3891194
Love it such beautiful colour and the texture is gorgeous and buttery.

This is a portrait of a friend im working on. the photos abit dark.

[Anonymous No.3900626]

>>3900613
You're friends with Nick Rekieta?

[Anonymous No.3900628]

>>3900626
>Nick Rekieta
low key

[Anonymous No.3900895]

>>3899850
Looks great. I think you said before that the objects didn't have a logical connection to them, but I wonder if the colour complements do?

[Anonymous No.3901263]

Feel disillusioned about my ability and viability of my art. About 2 years into painting.
What do you think about sellabilty of a peice like this.
no reference and moved pretty quickly 24x24 on birch

[Anonymous No.3901390]

>>3901263
>2 years
>sellability

I got bad news for ya, Bob Ross. How much were you hopin' to get for it?

[Anonymous No.3901451]

Nothing, I'm just practicing right now. Whats the bad news?

[Anonymous No.3901463]

>>3901390
Can you be less convoluted?

[Anonymous No.3901490]

>>3901390
nothing I'm practicing

[Anonymous No.3901492]

>>3889905

[Anonymous No.3901500]

>>3901492

[Anonymous No.3901502]

[Anonymous No.3901547]

love drawin me some thicc milfs

[Anonymous No.3901552]

>>3901547
looks like her elbows are hyperextending

[Anonymous No.3901558]

>>3901552
Looks like they are in the reference. Not perfect but I didn't spend too much time on it. Dont' know why it uploaded sideways btw.

[Anonymous No.3901609]

>>3901558
>>3901547

Try to setup your drawing by thinking in blocks/ arranging masses that are shaped cubes (blocks).

It will force you to keep things organized in 3d and help prevent the sketchy 'searching' look that your lines and shading have right now.

[Anonymous No.3901622]

>>3901263
>What do you think about sellabilty
0

>no reference and moved pretty quickly
this doesn't make it good

decent paintings take either references or spending a good time into it. most of the time both

>>3901490
practicing what?

[Anonymous No.3901623]

>>3901609
>try to give advice
>drawing is bad and doesn't apply the advice
every time

[Anonymous No.3901627]

>>3901622
Practicing painting? And thanks for the clarity. I will think about that.

[Anonymous No.3901639]

>>3901627
there are tons of things you can practice while doing paintings

control of the pigments and use of brushes
color mixing
measuring
composition
contrast
edges

if you aren't using a reference you won't be able to practice most (if not all) of those things

[Anonymous No.3901648]

>>3901639
if you're attempting to paint realist stuff that is*

why not practice painting actual landscapes and studying them, so when you have a go with your imagination you can actually make something remarkable

[Anonymous No.3901652]

>>3901639
I use references more often than not and I do practice specific fundimentals. In this painting I was trying to think about depth in landscape paintings and how you apply perspective fundimentals to an imagined landscape.
I recognising that being able to paint without a reference will jo doubt be an advantage. Once I am able to paint from life more proficiently I think I could adapt the ability of reference free painting so that I could produce similar quality paintings without having to have a from life subject.

[Anonymous No.3901665]

>>3901652
well not really

painting without a reference doesn't make your painting greater. making an actual cool thing does. even moreso, references save time, help your palette, help in making composition choices. even outright copying what you see in front of you takes a ton of skill

if you want to try painting from imagination then good for you but it doesn't work like that. at best you can create an idea of what you want to do in your mind, but you'll always need to see the real world to paint something that looks realistic

no one ever painted a decent portrait or a landscape constructing it out of their minds. just thinking up forms and depth is very challenging, now add edge work, textures, contrast and color mixing. it's just not possible

if you want to you can try anyways, but it won't be of much use to practice that way

[Anonymous No.3901671]

>>3901665
I will continue practicing that. I'll be the first to do it don't worry man

[Anonymous No.3901678]

>>3891292
They're just fine, amazing job anon

[Anonymous No.3901701]

>>3901609
Thanks. In the past I've never liked simplifying shapes as far as complete geometric shapes like cubes. It seems like just adding another step into the drawing process, but probably helps to make some things look more 3D though.

When I start a drawing I sort of use a combination of: A) flowing gestural lines - usually for the direction/action of the trunk of the body and the limbs. I feel this is important to make the figure look lifelike. And B) Blocky rigid lines to quickly simplify shapes. Sometimes I will block in shadow shapes too at this point to add some more dimension.

[Anonymous No.3901703]

>>3901701
forgot to add drawing

[Anonymous No.3901707]

Then I use a sharper, harder pencil to sculpt the more subtle lines and curves, add the details and lay in the shading.This is the most efficient way I've found to study figures. I need to learn to practice faces and hands more so that's what I'll focus on next. What else do I need to work on?

[Anonymous No.3901720]

>>3901502
anotha1

[Anonymous No.3901744]

>>3898213
she's cute

[Anonymous No.3901813]

>>3901707
Doing bigger drawings will help tons in 'sculpting' the array of grays and detail, as the lines won't be as strong

Also try to do your lines softer. The lines of the girl's nose and lips aren't pitch black (for example) so it ruins whatever contrast you're trying to make. Try to 'paint' in shades of gray. Start by picking a grayscale of 5 or 6 (including black and white), use only those, and go at it.

Also keep a different pencil for each grey, don't rely on pressure to get darker/clearer greys

[Anonymous No.3901858]

>>3901813
Some good ideas, thanks.

I should mention that I did the entire drawing with Conte a Paris "Pierre Noire" (B and 2B) pencils on newsprint pad. Because I'm just sketching on low quality newsprint I'm not too worried about getting too detailed with it.

They're fantastic, probably the darkest and softest pencil I've ever used. The lines are that dark just because that's how dark the lead is, which makes them ideal for drawing on paper like newsprint. If you've ever tried to use a normal 2B graphite pencil you know its a terrible idea.

For example, with the Pierre Noire 2B I could add a just bit of pressure to get the dark shades of the girls hair, but with the B I can lightly move the side of the pencil over the paper to get an extremely smooth & beautiful midtone like you see on her abdomen. However because they're so soft they aren't good for doing small details like in the face unless I draw bigger.

I highly recommend you all try the Conte a Paris pencils for figure drawing. They are so much easier for sketching than normal graphite pencils. The sanguine pencils are awesome too.

[Anonymous No.3901864]

>>3901652
>jo doubt be an advantage

nah, thats really just a concept-art thing. If you want to do great landscape work, say, stuff like Brian Blood, Renato Mucillo, or even Brett Allen Johnson, you're going to need to be very involved with your references. Guys who make work like that go out into the field and do direct-observation studies as well as taking pictures of the subject, plus mentally focusing on stuff like "how would I paint the edge between those trees" a bajillion times. Finally, they return to a studio and construct a final image using all available information.

Of course, some imagination may be involved, say, moving a tree to improve composition, etc. In fact,I bet the guys I mentioned can produce decent work entirely from imagination if they wanted. However, that's because they have a lifetime of observing specific details and considering how to represent them. But no one buys fine landscapes based on 'I sid this without any reference!', they buy on how incredible the work looks.

'No reference' gets touted on /ic/ a lot because many people here aspire to concept art, where churning out hundreds of similar-but-engaging images for someone else to pick from is the name of the game.

[Anonymous No.3901879]

>>3901864
>Brian Blood, Renato Mucillo, or even Brett Allen Johnson
Holy shit these guys are amazing and I've never even heard of them. Thanks.

The people who still think not using reference is inherently a good thing don't really understand how most professional artists work. 90% of artists are not like Kim Jung Gi and have photographic memories, nor have they done as much drawing as he has. I think it stems from laziness, the desire to remove another step in the process, and people on this board don't like drawing anything but cartoons.

But the fact of the matter is most professionals, references are one of the many tools you use to make work that is at professional level. James Gurney is one of the most knowledgeable living fantasy artists and he doesn't just use reference from the internet, he makes takes his own photo reference, uses his own plein air studies, makes his own models to use as reference! That's how it appears that the man can draw and paint literally anything he wants.

[Anonymous No.3902042]

>>3901879
>Holy shit these guys are amazing and I've never even heard of them. Thanks.

No prob. Instagram is fucking amazing for art if you understand how to use it carefully.

Pic is Christopher Long

[Anonymous No.3902073]

>>3901864
It's also the anime crowd, where a lot of that work is literally from imagination. They don't understand or just ignore the difference between cartooning and more traditional work - and apply the standards - or what they think the standards are - from cartooning, to all kinds of art. A lot of the more ridiculous "standards" they hold people here come from that - "no reference", not using erasers, not using rulers, using construction for everything, etc.

[Anonymous No.3902080]

>>3901879
One of the best investments I made along the way was DSLR cameras, for taking my own reference. You don't need a lot, I got a Nikon D3200 kit at Costo for under $400, and except for some things like tripods and such. it's perfect.

[Anonymous No.3902719]

Is the outline on this done with a gel pen or liner?

[Anonymous No.3903505]

>>3902719
Colored liners

[Anonymous No.3903519]

Some quick sketches I made the other day

[Anonymous No.3903521]

>>3903519

[Anonymous No.3903533]

>>3903519
>>3903521
/beg/

[Anonymous No.3903726]

>>3898919
I love it

[Anonymous No.3904170]

>>3903726
thanks man, I've been checking the thread multiple times every day for a week and a half hoping for feedback (positive or negative, I love the shit-slinging on 4chan, it helped me to never bullshit myself) on any of the paintings I've posted.

your kind words are genuinely validating and appreciated. Even though that one is totally a rip off of someone else's work, at least I'm capable of doing so now.

[Anonymous No.3904213]

Working on this atm.

[Anonymous No.3904702]

Some really nice stuff itt. This was really fun. I want to start drawing at this size and time length more often.

[Anonymous No.3904805]

acrylic 50x60.

[Anonymous No.3904814]

>>3904805
WIP btw.

[Anonymous No.3905145]

>>3903519
>signed sketches
every tiem

[Anonymous No.3906152]

still /beg still just dicking about... figured id try something where its not normal fleshtones. im not good at this shit but man i love doing it.

[Anonymous No.3907542]

>>3899309
this is very nice but it looks like her eyes are too close together. Blog?

[Anonymous No.3907578]

Absolute beginner hoping for an oil painting shopping list here. I'm not looking for the cheapest gear, but at the same time I probably shouldn't be using nice oils yet. I do want to go straight to oils though.

[Anonymous No.3907582]

>>3906152
>ayyy lmao

[Anonymous No.3907621]

>>3907578
The cheapest oils don't mix well, have too much oil and little pigment, and when they dry the color goes everywhere

Rather than painting with cheap oils I'd go for acrylling painting. Once you feel comfortable then oils

The most important thing when learning how to paint, is learning how to draw. The second most important is mixing colors. If your pigments are shit you won't be able to get the colors you want or, even worse, get them right but when the paint dries it looks different.

[Anonymous No.3908171]

>>3907578
Rembrandt oil paints. Titanium White, permanent red light, yellow ochre, ultramarine blue, burnt sienna. Do not buy cheaper than this. Cheap oil paint is horrible.

High quality chungking bistle brushes arent super expensive, any good Brand will do.

Gamsol, or something similar

W&N Liquin

Some decent painting surface, do not cheap out here, this is more important than the brushes or the paint. Get some high quality gesso, like the one from golden and some mdf boards from your Hardware store, put at least 3 layers on each of them.

A piece of glass for a Palette.

[Anonymous No.3908413]

>>3908171
many thanks

[Anonymous No.3908614]

>>3908171
>Rembrandt oil paints.
>Do not buy cheaper than this.

Gamblin and M graham are just fine.

Rosemary chunking bristles are the best quality/price ratio by a significant margin though, even with shipping to the US.

[Anonymous No.3908721]

>>3904702
How did you learn to get values like that? Was it just practice, or was there a specific book or course that helped you?

[Anonymous No.3908818]

>>3908614
Yeah they probably are. Are they significantly cheaper than rembrandt?

[Anonymous No.3909459]

>>3908721
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. Are you asking about ways to get better at value or my background in art?

[Anonymous No.3910254]

>>3909459
Ways to effectively achieve such shades of color

[Anonymous No.3910266]

>>3904213
nice crosshatching

[Anonymous No.3910269]

[Anonymous No.3910293]

>>3910254
I’m not entirely sure how helpful my advice will be honestly. It is a bit hard to explain, since I don’t know what exactly you’re struggling with or how much you know already. So I may be skipping over crucial things that will help you specifically or be not very helpful at all. Also I’m pretty bad at explaining stuff in general..

For value in particular it is mostly about the relationships and the context each value sits in. Something can look light or dark relative to the values around it. So it's all about comparing each value and seeing if something is lighter or darker. A good exercise for this is to get a piece of vine charcoal, compressed charcoal, or conte crayons (I prefer these because I like red and it’s quite moveable, but doesn't fly off the page like vine) and block in the figure and it's background’s value relationship- thinking purely tonally. It's almost as if you are painting with the conte crayon. So compare if the background is darker or lighter than the figure, and the figure light side and shadow side. Also try to incorporate how the light changes/ moves across the figure or background(gradients). So the background could go from light to dark depending where the lights is, same with the figure. If the light is above the figure the lightest halftone will be darker around the feet and and will get lighter as it gets closer to light, so the lightest part will probably be on the head.

A specific part of value relationships that is incredibly important is separating your lights and your darks. So anything in the light side must be lighter than anything in the shadow side. Separate these two parts with a core shadow, and lay in a clear tone into the shadow side to separate them distinctly. Then start working the half tones.

For halftones learn the planes of the head, torso, etc.

[Anonymous No.3910295]

>>3910254
For the the tonal exercise I described above, the way I approach is I start with a line drawing (just blocking in a rough figure focusing on proportions and movement/ essence of the pose), then I draw the core shadow with a line while trying to account for the different edges (soft and hard), then I put a tone for the core shadow, then I lay in a background tone, then I rub everything with my palm(so that there is halftone everywhere rather than white of paper), and if the relationships are serviceable, then I just model and play with halftones from there with an eraser and conte pencil. I would experiment with trying this stuff out in different orders and seeing what works for you. Like sometimes I will lay in a tone for the background first or start with the shapes of tone for the shadow shapes with out drawing a contour.

I honestly don't know how helpful this is because I'm just dumping a bunch of information all at once. Hopefully you got something from it. Feel free to ask me to clarify stuff. Also I'm sure other people itt can help much more effectively than I have or can.

[Anonymous No.3910590]

>>3910293
>>3910295
I'm not who asked but thank you.

I mostly paint but I want to have a go at the Bargue Course, at least the beginning and fundamentals, so I can add some traditional casts to my portfolio and try to apply for scolarship at an overseas atelier

Most of the things you said are so obvious yet I could never figure them out when looking at those charcoals/sanguine/pre-paintings you see all over instagram

I think I'm going to buy through amazon some good charcoal pencils and a kneaded erasers (they're +$35 a single here) to get started

[Anonymous No.3910918]

just an underdrawing for a painting i'm going to work on soon. I need to change a few things still, i wish i had actual studio lighting in my room so i could properly define my abs.

[Anonymous No.3911524]

>>3908818
I don't know about Rembrandt, but they're cheaper (3-15% depending on the color) than Williamsburg, Blockx, Michael Harding and Old Holland.

They're slightly less quality than those, but the pigment load is still high enough to paint with in a serious manner. I know a number of professionals use them. IMO they're definitely better than Windsor Newton oils.

[Anonymous No.3911528]

I wish for simpler times again.

[Anonymous No.3911557]

I wish for the simpler days.

[Anonymous No.3912317]

>>3895300
>>3898919
Here. Trying to move into observational painting with color. Not going great so far.

[Anonymous No.3912334]

>>3896213
I'm new to /ic/ and it's really weird to me that you call it "chromatic" instead of "saturated", especially in a traditional thread. Is this common? Not trying to be a faggot.

[Anonymous No.3912338]

>>3896979
>>3896981
Easy fix

[Anonymous No.3912344]

>>3912334
Saturation refers to the color-intensity of a light source. Chroma is color intensity of a surface.

If you're used to hanging around /ic/, you're probably used to photoshop terminology because most people here use that program for painting. Digital painters' 'ground' is a screen that produces light, so for them, color intensity is properly called saturation. Painting in photoshop is essentially choosing and arranging how light is produced.

Traditional painting is choosing and arranging how light is reflected on a non-light-producing surface, hence color intensity is referred to as chroma.

[Anonymous No.3912358]

>>3912344
>Traditional painting is choosing and arranging how light is reflected on a non-light-producing surface, hence color intensity is referred to as chroma.
>If you're used to hanging around /ic/
No, I'm new to /ic/, I don't paint digital, and I did a BA in fine art painting on a London art school exclusively for painters and sculptors eleven years ago. None of my tutors ever mentioned the word chromatic as synonymous with color intensity. We talked about paintings as being "achromatic" or "monochromatic", but the level of intensity was always called saturation by all painting professors of all ages. I've always thought of chroma as a optics and photography term. At best a graphic design and/or illustration term.

[Anonymous No.3912392]

>>3912358
Could be my illustration background or just hanging around ic for years

[Anonymous No.3912406]

>>3912392
Well, there you go. Cheers for your informed answers though. Still wondering what ic's sources are for the terminology bouncing around.

[Anonymous No.3912467]

>>3912406
only word you gotta know is crab

[Anonymous No.3912472]

>>3912406
some internet dictionary searching found that chromatic means the colorfulness of a color relative to the colors around it. So if you have a shadow and a highlight with something chromatic in between that's where that term would be used. Saturation would more mean the amount of colorfulness relative to it's place on the color wheel. It's red? how red? that kind of thing

Saturation more seems to be a term used to describe an entire piece, where as chromatic is used for individual elements of a piece. A piece can be saturated, but only parts of it can be chromatic.

[Anonymous No.3912483]

>>3912472
When talking about the paint itself, though

[Anonymous No.3912498]

Colors are a bit too intense right now

[Anonymous No.3912499]

>>3912483
well the paint itself isn't saturated, it's chromatic. And then adding white or another color makes it less chromatic. Something I've been trying to understand in my own work. You don't actually want every color on your canvas to be mixed, because it really washes out everything. Coming from a place where most of my early paintings were straight from the tube, it's hard to get back to doing it, even if for small spots, because I started out with such bad habits.

[Anonymous No.3912527]

>>3912499
Come to think of it, I might actually be completely wrong. It's been ages since I discussed colour in English. Tutors at my old college called it high-key, not saturation. My bad. Saturation is a photoshop term, like >>3912344 said. Still never heard anyone mention "chroma" when talking about paints, though.

To be honest, I'm not too fussed about colour, the crucial thing for any painting is value. If your values are right, you can key any painting to match what ever you choose for dominant colours. Also, you can use glazes to shift the colour towards warmer or colder tones. Mixing in and of itself shouldn't be a problem, but avoid using black, and be careful using white, because it quickly turns everything it touches into milky garbage. Natural colours can very easily be mixed from an essential palette, and it's always a question of asking oneself what there's too much of, and then adding it's opposite/complimentary.

[Anonymous No.3912705]

[Anonymous No.3913244]

>>3912317
The contrast colour to orange is blue. Try and mix a bit into your shadow area and you will get a better colour composition.

[Anonymous No.3913247]

>>3912338
This so much. I use Golden Open to do realistic painting and have never expierienced any problems.

[Anonymous No.3913406]

>>3889905

[Anonymous No.3913427]

>>3913406
Impressive. Are those watercolors? What paper do you use?

[Anonymous No.3913437]

>>3913427
Watercolor over ink and a little pastel, the paper is Fabriano Artistico 300gr hot press.

[Anonymous No.3913449]

>>3913437
Thanks

[Anonymous No.3913651]

>>3913244
Yeah the first pic was under an incandescent light.

I fucked up the values on the wrinkles, they're too strong. Also, probably could have just modeled the wrinkle forms more carefully in general.

I think the biggest struggles for me are keeping patience with the process to get form correct.

The next biggest is juggling simultaneous transitions in hue value and chroma; I'm used to just navigating 1-dimensional value space on monochrome cast paintings. The orange has two distinct hues, orange and yellow orange. I got it right in the base layer, but when modeling form only used the yellow-orange value range. Part of the difficulty is keeping my palette managed, seems like I have not enough or way too much paint. Not enough space for necessary mixtures. Seems like the only answer is know exactly how to mix straight to a needed color.

[Anonymous No.3913654]

>>3913651 cont
I see artists like pic related just setting up palettes with 6 to 9 mixtures then brush-mixing as needed.

Gonna paint one more orange I think.

[Anonymous No.3913660]

>>3912498
>>3912705
good shit anons

[Anonymous No.3914291]

I'm done with acryllics

[Anonymous No.3914384]

>>3913651
Fuck this trash. The orange on purple is garish. Your stroke economy doesn't exist. The stem is a green formless blob, I can't tell the stem from the star. there's no form turns on the orange's left side.

You need to think in planes, not just blobbing color wherever.

[Anonymous No.3914400]

>>3914384
>stroke economy
Spoken like a true digital-only peasant

[Anonymous No.3914571]

>>3914291
Why, do they dry too fast?

[Anonymous No.3914600]

Watercolor of some lighthouse.
I guess I am going to fail a few more times.

[Anonymous No.3914685]

>>3914600
What I did today~ what do you guys think. How hard should I go before going full mastery?

[Anonymous No.3914706]

>>3914571
Yeah, you can't pre-mix certain colors and work from there, as it dries way too fast, and you can't be certain on how much it'll change after drying.

Another thing is that unless I'm painting a black person I avoid black pigment, it's too strong and you can hardly come back from the resulting brownish mixture. Any trace that contaminates another pigment will blow up, too, and you have to be very careful as you clean your brushes.

[Anonymous No.3914827]

>>3914706
I'm the guy who posted the orange and cast paintings above.

Yeah man, fuck acrylics. I tried real damn hard and used a bunch of different additives to get them workable, but they're really only good for highly-graphic work with little to no gradation. I've seen people do really neat stuff with them, but it's always carefully executed posterization.

I thought acrylics would be a stepping stone to oils, but it's more like a fork in the road that just loops you back to the same place.

[Anonymous No.3915016]

>>3914384
Fuck off, you know nothing.
>>3913651
Nice work. Ignore this cretin.

[Anonymous No.3915025]

>>3914827
Acrylics are a whole different ball game to oils.
If you want to capture something very accurately, oils is better. Acrylics have many qualities but the difficulty with tone judging is a bugger.

[Anonymous No.3915063]

>>3891194
wow, love this so much. What sort of route did you take to get to this point of skill, mostly studies?

[Anonymous No.3915072]

>>3914384
you need help

[Anonymous No.3915079]

>>3896357
nice

[Anonymous No.3915110]

>>3889905
I have crayola supertips box. I find them really good desu, and I made ok drawings with it (imo) but when I google if others did shitty DA artists complain they're bad. Are they really?

Another question i have: I wanna get some more cheap ass supplies, what should I get to ink comics? Yes brush pens but crayola are technically brush pen dupes. So, chinky fineliners will do?

[Anonymous No.3915937]

>>3915072
>>3915016
>>3914400
It's okay fellas, it was really just me replying to myself. I miss the brutal but helpful old critiques I saw in draw threads when I was younger. Maybe I'm just imagining them with rose colored glasses.

Gonna finish this one up tomorrow.

>>3914685
>How hard should I go before going full mastery
What do you mean? I think you should spend more time building up your values.

>>3913406
This is super-neat. I hope they paid you well.

[Anonymous No.3916056]

>>3914706
I work with Golden Open, and have never had any issues.

Maybe you should switch to oils. I can recommend W&N Artisan Water Mixable Oils.

[Anonymous No.3916063]

>>3915937
Thanks for listening to my advice about using blue in the orange. But next time you paint, look at the colours of your subject and try to mix them with your palette. I doubt the cast shadow is that blue, so you need to rely on your eye to tell you exactly what colour it is.
But I see improvement, just keep on working.

[Anonymous No.3916247]

>>3915937
>I hope they paid you well.
I got 9 likes and 3 retweets kek

I like the orange.

[Anonymous No.3916409]

>>3916063
the surface is a reddish brown, so I was kinda-sorta making it all up

You're right about it being too blue

[Anonymous No.3916576]

>>3891279
noob here
is this oil or acrylic?

[Anonymous No.3916613]

Almost finished I think, need to do the hands, anything else to correct?

[Anonymous No.3916615]

>>3916613
Also doing this drawing

[Anonymous No.3916618]

Painted downtown

[Anonymous No.3916911]

>>3916613
It should really be a nude. The underwear completely kill it.

[Anonymous No.3916926]

>>3916613
did you do the portrait at the back?

[Anonymous No.3917538]

A still life in a Baroque style.

[Anonymous No.3917539]

Small oil painting.

[Anonymous No.3917621]

>>3917538
looks really good. Did you paint the baseball before or after the gourd?

[Anonymous No.3917666]

Self portrait I made while ago with oil. Hands are wonky but it was my first go with the medium and I don't think it came out too bad.

[Anonymous No.3917668]

Water color illustration.

[Anonymous No.3917804]

I’ve got too many moving parts in this one so when I finish it I’m 2045 hopefully it was worth it . I fuckin hate paintings like this

[Anonymous No.3917838]

>>3917804
If you hate it why are you painting it?

>>3917538
Very nice

[Anonymous No.3917843]

>>3917838
>If you hate it why are you painting it
Cause I want it to be good

[Anonymous No.3917851]

>>3917843
Being good means you're actively achieving your goals.

Is your goal to paint stuff you hate?

[Anonymous No.3917867]

>>3917851
If I make it good I won’t hate it. What are we even talking about.

[Anonymous No.3918026]

>>3917621
I painted them both at the same time. I started out with a black canvas and slowly built up to the lighter values. It was a fun process to do.

[Anonymous No.3918056]

>>3916911
Don't have much choice, but I don't think it matters much, it's just training.

>>3916926
Nope

[Anonymous No.3918177]

Current WIP thoughts pls besides about my shitty work station

[Anonymous No.3918655]

using up leftover paint. looked up a prompt, got tranquil beach. oil on 15x15cm canvas.

[Anonymous No.3918730]

When posting artwork to social media do you scan it in or just take a picture of the sketchbook?

[Anonymous No.3918742]

>>3918730
Most people take a photo of the art + materials used or they do the thing where they pretend they're drawing it as they take the photo.
But this only works if your art is popular in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3918795]

>>3918730
Picture

[Anonymous No.3918810]

When you post an oil painting, consider posting your chosen medium along with it.

[Anonymous No.3918822]

>>3918177
You're getting somewhere with the overall atmosphere and depth, but the trees ruin it. Draw what a tree looks like, not cartoon trees. Stop scribbling with the brush, like whatever that is in the center, to the right. Use the brush to create form. Slow down.

[Anonymous No.3918824]

>>3918655
I get what you're trying to do, but the sea would never be that color in that vibrant a sunset. Water reflects the color of the sky, and darkens when the sunlight goes lower in the sky. Plus, the composition cuts the image in half with the red and blue fighting for attention - it looks like two paintings on one canvas. Us the shoreline to create a diagonal, that leads the eye to the focal point of the setting sun.

[Anonymous No.3918849]

>>3918824
>Water reflects the color of the sky
I'd remembered that too late, was too intent on trying to use up the red I had.
When it dries a bit I think I'll go over the sky with a blue, then turn that sun into a cloud.

[Anonymous No.3918854]

>>3918655
You should really look into training your color mixing

The palette is too discordant

[Anonymous No.3919016]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xy6m2bc6lg

[Anonymous No.3919025]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QT8Mo5EDKk

[Anonymous No.3919027]

>>3889905
this isnt a good pic sorry. i gave up on the laocoon and i think im gonna keep the other one so ill just fix it while its hanging in my house cuz i gotta work on some commissions before they decide to hire someone else

[Anonymous No.3919028]

>>3919027
pic sorry. oil with some turp and linseed oil

[Anonymous No.3919036]

>>3919028
cute secretary.

[Anonymous No.3919040]

>>3919028
>painting trad in black n white.
why even bother

[Anonymous No.3919054]

I did this in guache or however the fuck that's spelled. I never painted on a trad medium, mainly photoshop, but I'd love to hear what other people think.

[Anonymous No.3919164]

can you suggest a oil paint for a beginner?

[Anonymous No.3919169]

>>3919028
Who’s this semen demon?

[Anonymous No.3919174]

>>3919028
Proportion and values look good, but you gotta work on 'finishing'. You have lots of edges that are too hard and you should be concealing the strokes in your gradation.

>>3919164
Gamblin, W&N, or M. Graham.

[Anonymous No.3919185]

>>3918655
>tranquil

Anon I have bad news

[Anonymous No.3919403]

>>3919054
you used too much white, too little color mixing, so the palette is not balanced

[Anonymous No.3919443]

>>3919040
just a warm up kinda broke my leg really bad and cant into painting lately so i didnt want to waste my good stuff

[Anonymous No.3919508]

>>3919054
Throw your tube of black away, or lock it away somewhere you can't get to it.

There's a lot of symbol painting here, and the colors are muted and unnatural. Great that you tried, but you have some work ahead of you.

Also...you painted with goauche, on canvas? Can I ask why? Goauche is a water based medium that's best done on paper.

[Anonymous No.3919509]

>>3919040
Why is it bad? Other than whatever prejudices you have against it?

[Anonymous No.3919862]

>>3919508
maybe it was a watercolour canvas?
ive heard gouache can be used like acrylics, it's not like its relying on the paper white and sizing like watercolour does. but a lot of techniques do implement water and that does not stick to canvas.
just my understanding. info on gouache surfaces are limited. i have gouache myself and would love more input on where to use it.

[Anonymous No.3919878]

Got fucked by gouache doing a plein air after a bit of a hike. Never used 100% cotton paper and it was a trip.

[Anonymous No.3919945]

>>3919862
Use your gouache on plain paper

[Anonymous No.3920007]

>impressionism
>trad

[Anonymous No.3920031]

>>3919443
>warm up
>5 feet tall canvas
ye right

[Anonymous No.3920148]

>>3919862
Most gessos on canvas are acrylic based, so it's a poor ground for a water based medium like goauche. It could be done, i suppose, but my experience is it doesn't adhere well, and well peel up when it dries, because of the acrylic in the gesso. Paper or illustration board or watercolor paper just works better.
They make acrylic goauche, that would probably be best on a primed canvas.

[Anonymous No.3920244]

Well last month was working on pic related, but I found several proportion problums so I delayed a second layer.
Acrylic btw

[Anonymous No.3920246]

>>3920244
Last Friday session, hope you like

[Anonymous No.3920289]

>>3919028
quick inspiration from yesterday

[Anonymous No.3920305]

>>3920246
I do like it

[Anonymous No.3920308]

>>3920244
are you using some form of charcoal or pencil for the underdrawing?

[Anonymous No.3920316]

>>3920308
Used to do the pencil but I changed it to Charcoal because it is more easy and it were to correct bad proportions.

[Anonymous No.3920435]

>>3919862
I use wood boards and 50% cotton watercolor paper, 100% absorbs too much paint. You can use gouache on any non grease and inflexible surface. You can also use watercolor ground as a gesso. I do recommend a rougher paper if that's what you go with, that way the paint can grip on to something.

[Anonymous No.3920439]

>>3920289
bro that book's title is spelled wrong

les filles

[Anonymous No.3920520]

Having a mental breakdown and burning some of my art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90tt382o1kY

My tumblr: https://pastelcronenberg.tumblr.com/archive

YIKES

[Anonymous No.3920535]

>>3920520
Nice tits. You shouldn't let emotion influence your actions.
You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength
>inb4 wamen cant into stoicism

[Anonymous No.3920553]

I painted this in 30 minutes. First time painting hands too. I usually paint ocean scenes.

[Anonymous No.3920589]

>>3920553
Looks good except you should be able to see the hands through the water unless it's some exceptionally dark water. The left wrist could need some tweaking too, position looks a bit unnatural.

[Anonymous No.3920651]

Are there any good books or guides on how to into watercolors?

[Anonymous No.3920658]

>>3920651
Watercolor by Shibasaki (aka Japanese Bob Ross)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPiQ_mEXdEbB-3Yhiq7gq5w/videos

Mind of watercolor
https://www.youtube.com/user/mindofwatercolor/videos

One book I have is ''Paint watercolors that dance with light'' by E. Kincaid, has neat tips

[Anonymous No.3920662]

>>3920658
Sweet, thank you.

[Anonymous No.3921719]

>>3901263
You should push your values, make your darks much darker and it will definitely look alot better

[Anonymous No.3921777]

>>3919945
You can use gouache on almost anything. Try fiber board or cardboard.

Use mixed media paper. The 100% cotton is you if you aren't used to it

[Anonymous No.3922414]

>>3914291
what's with the weird application of value? get some contrast in there that isn't just in the beard.

[Anonymous No.3922764]

>>3922414
Can't follow the 'get some contrast in there.' I did it from a mirror, light was like that.

Some color mixes went darker as they dried so that's why the beard, eyebrows and raccoon eyes stand out so much. Still a great excercise on skin tones.

[Anonymous No.3922972]

>>3920031
i dont understand. you decide the parameters of what constitutes a warm up because you draw furries for 20 min once a day before you jerk off?

[Anonymous No.3923065]

>>3922972
>>3920031
>>3919443
>warming up at all
I just work on what I was doing yesterday, I think this warmup thing is a meme