/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3877403]

daily reminder there is not a SINGLE PERSON ON THE ENTIRE PLANET TODAY (7+ billion people) who can sculpt anything anywhere NEAR this level. fucking struck me like a bolt of lightening how trash we've become

[Anonymous No.3877405]

What variety of factors allowed the renaissance to happen? What can we do to make that happen again?

[Anonymous No.3877407]

>>3877405
i don't know and i don't think it's possible. i think planet earth needs to be recycled

[Anonymous No.3877413]

Need demand for it. Imagine if you could grab a sculpting apprenticeship at 15 like you can with electrical or plumbing. Two generations of that and you would have guys stunting on OP’s pic

[Anonymous No.3877428]

>>3877413
Thinking about it more, it may be an issue with capitalism. Communism sure as shit isn’t better though.

[Anonymous No.3877430]

>>3877403
>not a SINGLE PERSON ON THE ENTIRE PLANET TODAY
How do you know this Anon? Do you know every person in the world?

[Anonymous No.3877431]

>>3877405
Yang being elected president

[Anonymous No.3877432]

>>3877430
Pretty sure everyone in the god tier sculpter’s vicinity would be instagramming that shit

[Anonymous No.3877437]

>>3877432
Just because they do not do it doesn't mean they can't. A person that owns a gun can shoot and kill another person but usually they do not.

[Anonymous No.3877445]

>>3877431
unironically this

[Anonymous No.3877459]

>>3877437
Well yeah if we are considering ~potential~ then there’s a couple hundred million. Why doesn’t anyone do it? What are they distracted by?

[Anonymous No.3877462]

>>3877459
It would still take 10-20 years from ~potential~ to go to OP’s pic though

[Anonymous No.3877465]

>>3877432
>fucking struck me like a bolt of lightening how trash we've become
Say thanks to modern art, Picasso, etc.

There are still sculptors who try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtT1cT6CQfM
People in Hollywood who make maquettes/concepts at the highest level are insanely good.
There are also a few horror/grotesque artists that focus on extreme realism and manage to sculpt eyes that look wet etc. I have no idea how

[Anonymous No.3877469]

>>3877465
>just started getting good at drawing/painting after 5 years
>want to abandon it for sculpture

[Anonymous No.3877471]

>>3877469
I don't think I could sculpt. I would end up fucking my artwork.

[Anonymous No.3877473]

>>3877469
drawing and sculpture and basically the same thing
the skills are transferable one way and the other

[Anonymous No.3877481]

>>3877403
It makes me feel kind of hopeful somehow, like there is a tangible, real ultimate ideal that exists in the world that we can attempt to strive for. I want there to be almost insurmountable mountains that I can still try to climb, instead of flattening out all the land so everyone is ''equal''. Actually that last part might be one of the sources of the problem

[Anonymous No.3877489]

>>3877481
My only gripe with older art is that it's mostly religious or has uninteresting subject matter. La Pieta is great and I understand it, but the religious significance of it says nothing to me so I can't enjoy it in full. Sargent's or Velazquez's paintings are great, but I'm not interested in the rich people they represent. I'm a sucker for sheer skill and I can appreciate beauty on its own, but I really want to see art that explores different concepts, surrealism etc. I love the imagination part of art more than I love the skills.
I'm really happy that we freed ourselves artistically from trite subject matter and we are doing crazy things now, even if most of the time it's stupid shit or porn. I think we are still in an era of transitioning, where we have this freedom but we don't know what to do with it. Every now and then we get cool art like Giger, I think that's great. I hope this modern art crap will go away in the future and more people will start using their imagination.

[Anonymous No.3877548]

>>3877473
Somewhat. Sculpture is a bit of a different headspace, because you're working in 3 dimensions. There is overlap, but a lot of sculpture is unique unto itself, especially carving, because it's a subtractive process.

[Anonymous No.3877583]

>>3877403
It's a commission. Money can make a an artist great.

[Anonymous No.3877609]

>>3877465
qts with breasts you can actually cup!

[Anonymous No.3877610]

>>3877405
closest we have is patreon

[Anonymous No.3877791]

>>3877403
Agreed. But I think its mostly due to how limited the creative mediums/outlets were at the time. If sculpture was as revered now as it was then I do think there would be someone as good. But with films/video games/animation the talent pool is to spread out to breed that level of mastery.

[Anonymous No.3877827]

>>3877403
Plenty of people can sculpt just as good as this, they just don't do it in marble.
Also, while beautiful, this kind of art is incredibly boring, modern hiperralistic sculptors are far more interesting.

[Anonymous No.3877857]

>>3877403
There are a LOT of people who do good art that aren't really known. Due to his work my dad has made a few friends on the older side who're really good at painting or sculpting but don't put their shit out there because they either don't know what the fucking Internet is or can't speak english.
If you get the occasion, you should visit a city like Milan with a lot of galleries presenting both old and newer art. You'd be surprised at all the good art that gets produced these days.

[Anonymous No.3877867]

>>3877857
obviously they already must have had the painting finished by launch. so why are they all on location?

[Anonymous No.3877898]

>>3877405
People didn’t have as much to do. There was no TV. No internet. No easy or safe way to travel. You had a craft and you dedicated your entire life to it.

[Anonymous No.3877911]

Okay first of all like 6 of those 7 billion live in poverty and don't even know what art is
and of the remaining only like 1% of those have the iq necessary to be that good at art

[Anonymous No.3878157]

>>3877583
Someone asking you 15000 bucks for a drawing won't transform you into Da Vinci...
It's probably the other way around : they want you for a 15000 bucks artwork because of your actual skill (or fame,unfortunately).

[Anonymous No.3878160]

>>3877827
You can't say that without providing examples for your claim.

[Anonymous No.3880725]

>>3877431
>get 1000 extra bucks a month
>price of groceries, gas, restaurants, and rent all magically go up since they know you got the money
>nothing changes

[Anonymous No.3880726]

>>3877403
Why would anyone want to do this

[Anonymous No.3880901]

>>3877405
>What variety of factors allowed the renaissance to happen?
The rediscovery of antique values combined with a shit-ton of money being thrown around. Most medieval art was judged largely on its price tag but as an appreciation for aesthetics began to re-emerge in the visual arts, art became valuable as much for its beauty and craftsmanship as well as its ability to show off how much carrara marble and ultramarine you could afford. When you combine this with people throwing outrageous sums of money at artists with firsthand access to the ancient classics and better understanding of foundational skills (especially perspective) you get some good shit.

[Anonymous No.3880971]

>>3880901
Well, that's a cynical version I guess. But it's not even close to what drove the Renaissance - it was mostly the rise of Humanism in scholarship, the patronage of the Medici into the arts, and the Greeks flowing into eastern europe. The rising wealth of the middle class had an impact, but had no real impact in most of the forces that drove the MINDSET that was the basis of the Renaissance.

If you want another Renaissance, you'll need a form of humanism, and that's impossible in current culture, were we spend more time trying to force different strata of society into boxes, don't promote the values of humanism, and spend more time on SJW nonsense, and demonizing most of the male human race.

[Anonymous No.3880985]

>>3880726
For some reason, pretentious kids are convinced that the Renaissance and Neoclassicism were the pinnacles of art

[Anonymous No.3880988]

>>3877405
>What can we do to make that happen again?
>lets just keep doing the same shit that the greeks were doing 2000 years ago over and over again

Why do you do this? Why are you lot so afraid of changes?

[Anonymous No.3881020]

>>3877403
time flow was very different back then.
i'm in art restoration business, i know.

[Anonymous No.3881215]

>>3877413
>Imagine if you could grab a sculpting apprenticeship at 15 like you can wit
This is the biggest reason we had people like michelangelo and bernini. Successive generations of sculptor families and started learning from other masters at like 10 working as an apprentice In the sculptor shop.

[Anonymous No.3881220]

> the only good art is the renaissance artists, we've degenerated as a society

yeah ok all im hearing is
> i'm bad at art and don't sculpt the things i want to so all art is bad and i'm gonna blame society

[Anonymous No.3881257]

>>3877867
Fuck if I had a once in a lifetime chance to see a space shuttle launch that close I would take it

[Anonymous No.3882014]

>>3877403
was mary a giantess or was jesus just a manlet?

[Anonymous No.3882465]

>>3882014
it's a metaphor for her being a motherly figure

[Anonymous No.3882497]

hey f

[Anonymous No.3882501]

ITT: live nowhere near art capitals of their country.

[Anonymous No.3882504]

people who are that skilled do exist. its just that you're alive right now where all the rest of the shitters havent been filtered out by history yet

[Anonymous No.3882506]

>>3877405
>What can we do to make it happen again
move onto new things, don't strive to do the same things that happened in the past. that's how the renaissance started unfortunately you're wanting the past to happen again

[Anonymous No.3882515]

魚類

[Anonymous No.3882534]

>>3880725
I do not want to start a political conversation so this is the only reply I am doing but while this sounds like a reasonable critique of UBI what has been found to happen is that the price does rise a small amount but things DO change, it is still a net gain for the society to filter a UBI to people directly as long as the UBI money is coming alongside a higher tax on the much wealthier class (through a marginal tax rate) to pay for them, this basically means the Rich get a little but less money but still live as comfortable as they already do and the poorer classes get more money to be able to afford things like groceries. Overall a happier society with more time for things like practicing finer arts.

[Anonymous No.3882702]

>>3877469
>What's a 'wood burning'?
>Fuuuuuck

[Anonymous No.3882713]

>>3877403
Get with the times, gramps, the new medium is in metal.
In other news the Pope is evil, shits in the woods?

[Anonymous No.3882714]

[Anonymous No.3882966]

>>3877403
I reckon Philippe Faraut could take a decent crack at it

[Anonymous No.3883043]

>>3882534
This post is indicative of the stunted mentality that far left human waste has, they want to destroy the successful in order to pull down everyone into the dirt with them, much like a crab. ''A little bit less money'' my ass, to pay for income for a whole country would require astronomical sums and make every high skill highly rewarding occupation far less attractive as it will now be taxed to oblivion. Poor losers want to get money for no work so they propose to simply take it from others. This is the ur-example of the mentality of someone who is always going to be poor, hating the rich but wanting to become them at the same time. If you flatten every mountain and drive away every noble and prodigy we're all on equal grounds, huh?

[Anonymous No.3883053]

>>3877403
People of the future would be saying the same thing about computer animation.

[Anonymous No.3883359]

>>3877403
Because you know personally all 7 billions of people on Earth right now and you know exactly what each of them can and cannot do, right?

[Anonymous No.3884035]

>>3877465
Is it good? Sure, but he did not SCULPT it out of a fucking marble block. That is as much a sculpture as a masturbation is sex.

[Anonymous No.3884576]

>>3877403
At least we've preserved some of these masterpieces.

[Anonymous No.3884579]

>>3877403
They do they waste their talent on anime sculpture and graveyard sculptures

[Anonymous No.3885143]

>>3877403
That type of art is trite cliche and kitsch because it's been seen and done so many times. There are people with more talent and skill who would rather create their own vision of art rather than what some pseud on an anime website wants them to do. People in the actual art world started to make "degenerate" abstract art somewhere since the world wars not because they hate whites males and western culture but because they wanted to make something different and conforms to their own sense of aesthetics.
>we've
If you love marble sculptures depicting biblical scenes then make them yourself, just don't conflate the rest of us present day humans as being shit at art because of your own low IQ, inferiority complex bitching, and incompetency.

[Anonymous No.3885168]

>>3883043
based

[Anonymous No.3886777]

>>3880725
>Assuming all basic goods will rise at a percent proportional to the increase in income and that luxury goods won't be disproportionately affected

[Anonymous No.3886783]

>>3877403
3D printers happened.

Seriously, it doesn't make economic sense for there to be hundreds of sculpting schools when sculpting itself has become a niche for people living in the past.

3D modelling, done digitally, is flourishing, on the other hand.

oh yeah technological progress does make me want to kill myself sometimes

[Anonymous No.3886785]

>>3877548
>he doesn't draw in 3 dimensions

[Anonymous No.3886814]

>>3877403
>hey bro, can you sculpt me a statue?
>no biggie. it'll be done in 3 years

if you can't see why this is no longer viable (or necessary) you're an idiot

[Anonymous No.3888671]

>>3877403
Because current school system exists
Sculptors like Michaelangelo started sculpting very early in their childhood and it was their main thing to do all days. Nowdays that would be impossible because kids have to go to school and learn maths, history etc.

[Anonymous No.3888776]

>>3877403
Why noone pays for statues anymore? Thats the reason. Not earning cash at thr first 10000 hours. Why do municipalities put garbage in plazas and refuse to pay for proper statues?

[Anonymous No.3888803]

>>3877898
pretty much this

maybe a guy in jail could try

[Anonymous No.3889231]

>>3883053
I do actually wonder about that. So many artists in the past have died penniless nobodies, but they're work is worth millions today. Makes me wonder if some struggling digital artist today will be remembered as a genius by some future curators. It what the landscape in general would be for digital art, since it's so ethereal.

[Anonymous No.3889355]

Look up top tier sculptors on zbrush working for big hollywood films or AAA games.

http://pixologic.com/zbrush/gallery/?year=2019

It doesn't make a lot of sense to make marble shit today, but there's talented sculptors today.

[Anonymous No.3889409]

>>3877405
Private philanthropy is always the source of the best art because unlike commercial art it does not need to solicit mass appeal (but still has actual finding).
Furthermore, decentralization promotes competition in all things including art. This is why Germany was overflowing with opera-houses while France could barely muster any in Paris, and why the papacy saw fit to commission works from Michelangelo/Raphael/Bernini, determined to outshine their gorgeous neighbors like Florence.

[Anonymous No.3890752]

>>3889355
I feel like its's very doable today seeing as we know all the techniques, plus we have better tools. Juat having sanders, grinders and drills would really open up what you could do. Marble also isn't that expensive. 300 USD per tonne. A kickstarter could easily fund one.

[Anonymous No.3890757]

>>3880985
They literally were.

[Anonymous No.3890759]

>>3882534
Your fantasy utopia assumes that the rich, as always, won’t find ways to protect their money. Leaving most of that burden on the already dwindling middle class.

Congratulations, you’ve fucked everyone. And made the gap between rich and poor even larger.

[Anonymous No.3890761]

>>3877403
people from today are the same species of people two thousand years ago. you and me are both capable of sculpting something on that level if we are willing to give up everything for it. Literally just have to learn about it and spend every single hour of your life studying those scupltures. I sure as fuck has no interest in doing that, do you ?