Why is every other teacher shit compared to Vilppu?

[Anonymous No.3872348]

[Anonymous No.3872353]

i don't want to learn from an indian

[Anonymous No.3872383]

Loomis >vilppu

[Anonymous No.3872384]

>>3872348
Who the fuck is Vilppu?

[Anonymous No.3872392]

>>3872383
Loomis uses photograph references, and recommend doing so, Vilppu straight up draws whatever the fuck he wants from imagination.

[Anonymous No.3872394]

god all these books are so fucking dry and boring. why isn't there any learn to draw book with cute anime girls flashing their cleavage

[Anonymous No.3872396]

>>3872394
not gonna make it and im glad

[Anonymous No.3872397]

>>3872394
This is actually a really fun book, you get to draw fun goo cubes and spheres, you can turn them into tits easy.

[Anonymous No.3872399]

>>3872397
What book is it?

[Anonymous No.3872403]

>>3872399
Vilppu Drawing Manual

[Anonymous No.3872408]

>>3872403
Bleh there's too much reading

[Anonymous No.3872412]

>>3872348
Vilppu uses extremely tactile methods that harnesses the magic of 'feels'. Others teachers, like Loomis, also try to communicate this sensation but don't get very far. After several years of drawing I honestly think that 'feels' are what sets apart good artists from bad ones, it's even more important than the fundamentals because without it your gestures will always be dead, your forms will be lifeless, your lines will look flat, etc. The artists who can't feel might as well quit and learn some mechanical job like programming

[Anonymous No.3872413]

>>3872412
Programmer here, fuck you.

[Anonymous No.3872414]

>>3872412
Is your image an example of art without feels?

[Anonymous No.3872427]

>>3872414
It's brimming with feels

[Anonymous No.3872428]

>>3872408
So?

[Anonymous No.3872429]

>>3872427
Oops didn't see the file size

[Anonymous No.3872430]

>>3872384
a Finnish dude who draws

[Anonymous No.3872433]

>>3872353
>not making it to own the indians
lmao crabs trying to cope

[Anonymous No.3872435]

>>3872427
I don't feel anything from looking at it though, besides mild disgust at the hetronormative subject matter (a male enforcing gender specific toys on innocent children)

[Anonymous No.3872437]

>>3872348
Can I learn to draw decently just by reading his drawing manual or do I need to watch his video-course as well?

[Anonymous No.3872441]

>>3872435
... You're baiting, right?

[Anonymous No.3872443]

>>3872435
Well yeah, if you think in that unnatural nominalist way of course you can't feel. Feels are our awareness of platonic forms, like roundness, fatherness, and so on

[Anonymous No.3872447]

>>3872412
Every single time a see an art piece or a photography with a father looking figure I get teary eyed. My father was and still is a piece of shit and through all of my life I never had somebody who I could call a dad that I wasn't scared off, could come for help or ask for change to buy lemonade because I threw out the thrash or something.

Every single time I see art like this I just wonder how different my life would've been if my father wasn't a fucking alcoholic beating his wife and ruining my childhood.

And this picture is X times as emotional, meaning you chose a right example anon. Godspeed.

[Anonymous No.3872449]

>>3872437
No you need to draw as well.

[Anonymous No.3872455]

>>3872441
No I honestly don't get what is good about that picture. It looks like WW2 propaganda

>>3872443
Okay teach me, how do I learn to appreciate it more? I can see what it is, a family scene. But why would I care about someone elses family? I have no connection to those people, I can't stand kids in general so that's a turn off too. The art style is not impressive or particularly interesting. Even if a busty woman was drawn in that style it wouldn't appeal to me. And my koumpounophobia is being triggered by the military uniform and the kids trousers. All in all the picture somewhat irritates me and if I had a framed copy of it hanging on my wall I'd take it down and throw it in the trash asap.

[Anonymous No.3872463]

>>3872437
qt!

[Anonymous No.3872466]

>>3872383
NGMI

[Anonymous No.3872488]

Take that back. Steve Huston is also great teacher and artist and also covers painting, which is great.

[Anonymous No.3872494]

If you're not drawing with FORCE, you're doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.3872516]

>>3872412
Programmer here too. Fuck you because this is probably true.

[Anonymous No.3872623]

>>3872383
t. brainlet

[Anonymous No.3872631]

>>3872392
based loomis was probably a tracer

our guy confirmed.

[Anonymous No.3872671]

>>3872455
Then that's your problem. It doesn't mean it doesn't have feels to it. It just means you're a faggot, and probably autistic since you can't even grasp what someone else might feel from something like this.

For example, it could represent a bonding between father/son, or the younger generation in general. Many people can identify with that sort of thing, due to strong bonds with their parents, or lack thereof. It also captures that childlike wonder that kids have when they're told a wild story. They're completely engaged in the story, and there's little to no movement or implied movement with the kids or the dog. Coupled that with a feel of post-war patriotism that was prevalent in the US in the 50s, and there's an added feeling of respect for those who served in the military during the war, and nostalgia for times that were simpler (as the viewer is probably meant to identify from the kid's perspective).

If you can't understand the implied feelings within it, or can't understand why others might have a feeling other than your close-minded worldview, then you're never gonna make it. You don't have to feel it, since apparently every subject in a piece has to be directly tied to you apparently, but it's important as an artist to understand connections and how people connect with others. Art is about communication, and it's important to know how to communicate and how others do as well.

[Anonymous No.3872700]

>>3872412
How do we obtain the power of soul?
This is some unfairness right here.

[Anonymous No.3872765]

>>3872412
>The artists who can't feel might as well quit and learn some mechanical job like programming
You've never programmed, have you? Anything out of the basic shit will require you to be creative with developing algorithms and software designs.

[Anonymous No.3872793]

>>3872494
Is this a meme or does FORCE actually help?

[Anonymous No.3872872]

>>3872700
You need the spark.

[Anonymous No.3872876]

>>3872765
Programming is purely a mental skill, it’s even not psychosomatic like drawing, painting, and sculpting. Typing up a new line of code isn’t the same as feeling the rhythm through a gesture, no, it’s soulless, devoid of that special spark that echoes through your heart

[Anonymous No.3872883]

>>3872494
>FORCE
absolutely disgusting book

[Anonymous No.3872887]

>>3872494
what is?

[Anonymous No.3872892]

>>3872883
How come?

[Anonymous No.3872896]

>>3872412
"Feeling" is a critical part of drawing, but there's nothing magical about it. Anyone can apply "feeling" to drawing, we all feel all sorts of things all the time. Like when you're adjusting the temperature in the shower, feeling whether the water is too hot or too cold, or when you're fiddling with the volume on the music that's playing, trying to get it just right. It's the same thing with drawing, you feel whether your lines are right or not and wiggle them around until they are. There's nothing mysterious about it, it's just that a lot of /beg/s adopt the strategy of putting down random lines and praying that they come out correct, and they don't realize that they need to actively engage with their drawing as they're creating it.

[Anonymous No.3872897]

>>3872876
That, or maybe there are recognizable patterns that make people feel a certain way. i.e, color theory, rote memorization from observation, Amount of wrinkles, amount of closure between eyelids, hands, the amount of stretch, realism of facial muscles that makes the emotion convincing, fat distribution, composition etc, and vilppu has internalized them. This shit is already documented and makes sense, unlike your le spark, which is retarded magik because you can't comprehend how he does things. Things are not magic just because you don't understand something. Everything has patterns that you can apply to make people feel a certain way. What someone applies to their art comes from the culmination of their life experiences which they internalize. There's nothing magical about it.

[Anonymous No.3872899]

>>3872892

[Anonymous No.3872901]

>>3872897
I can practically hear your fedora furiously tipping

[Anonymous No.3872902]

>>3872896
Truly spoken like someone without the spark.

[Anonymous No.3872903]

>>3872896
>>3872897
>there's nothing magical or mysterous about art
this is how I know that art never made you feel

[Anonymous No.3872906]

>>3872899
Point taken

[Anonymous No.3872908]

>>3872896
Clearly you have never felt. Not to be rude but you’re a bit like a deaf person trying to describe sound

>>3872897
That’s just technical skill. They are many people with great fundies who’s art looks dead

[Anonymous No.3872909]

>>3872494
>>3872793
>>3872892
i've read it past the basic shit. When it comes to anatomy, the guy just says "JUST DRAW THE HEAD LMAO". Force Anatomy book is worthless garbage. His retarded memes about different "FORCES" also useless, if you want to learn gesture, just look at first Hampton lecture and then do a 100 of studys of Michelangelo (I did).

[Anonymous No.3872911]

>>3872901
>>3872902
>>3872903
>>3872908
>no argument, no basis for argument
Ok. Keep ignoring things for your muh feelz.

[Anonymous No.3872912]

>>3872903
Steve Huston talked about that

[Anonymous No.3872914]

>>3872911
Art is not science, art will always appeal to the "feels", sorry autist.

[Anonymous No.3872918]

>>3872903
That's literally not what I said. You have poor reading comprehension. This is about the type of "feeling" required to make accurate drawings, not other types of feeling that may be involved in art.

>>3872902
>>3872908
You guys are idiots who just want to feel superior to other people because you have """the spark""" and they don't, which is conveniently an unverifiable statement so you can never be proven wrong.

All I said was that anyone (who isn't blind or quadripulegic or whatever) can learn the skills necessary to create good art and I tried to give some advice to people who might be struggling. I hope that my advice might help someone and that beginners ignore crabs like you who want to make people anxious over whether they "have what it takes" or not.

[Anonymous No.3872922]

>>3872914
>Gets confronted
>a-autist!! y-you lack the spark!
kek
I said people internalize their life experiences and apply. You're saying that it comes out of nothing, just feels and spark. You say this while providing no reasoning or evidence. Guess what? Everything that people internalize is also documented in books. The only difference is the way the person acquires his knowledge. Without this knowledge, your artwork will look shit, no matter how much feelz you add to your artwork. Also, by art I'm assuming you're talking about material things, not abstraction- in which case, I don't really care. You guys are ignoring all the evidence and reasoning presented just for your wishful thinking and ignorance.

[Anonymous No.3872923]

>>3872918
>>3872922
Sorry guys, according to my calculations only 0,01 percent of people have the spark. Looks like it's not you!

[Anonymous No.3872924]

>>3872912

what's this from?

[Anonymous No.3872927]

>>3872924

[Anonymous No.3872933]

>>3872876
You have a really narrow view of the world. Or at least, you have a really narrow view of programming. Please read this before you conclude that programming is soulless:

http://marktarver.com/bipolar.html

[Anonymous No.3872935]

>>3872911
>>3872918
>>3872922
Sorry anon, but at the end of the day art only works because of muh feels. You can systemize everything under the sun to your soulless algorithms, but try doing that to art and the result will always be shit. There’s no empirical evidence of the spark/feel/force, however the fact that artists like Huston and Vilppu talk about it should make you understand that something of the kind exists, at least within the scope of experience

[Anonymous No.3872939]

>>3872933
Wrong board, we have /g/ for that

[Anonymous No.3872943]

>>3872935
Why are you intentionally ignoring what I'm saying? I told people that they need to feel out their lines until they get them in the right place, how the flying fuck does that imply that I think you can "systematize" everything? I was telling people to not systematize everything.

[Anonymous No.3872944]

>>3872933
>here’s a prgramming language that bipolor people can use
Not quite sure your point is

[Anonymous No.3872946]

>>3872944
Ok, you either didn't read it or didn't understand it. I would just only ask that you not make generalizations about fields that you clearly know nothing about.

[Anonymous No.3872948]

>>3872944
*what your point is

[Anonymous No.3872950]

>>3872935
What Vilppu or Hutson say about shit without evidence and reason doesn't matter. You're literally trying to find people who say the same shit as you. No matter how many experts you find parroting the same bullshit, it doesn't matter- you still have a conclusion with no basis. It also doesn't change the fact that they wrote the books and follow anatomy themselves- even for human expression. If all it took was feels, then you'd make people feel subtle emotions without depicting anything other than 2 dots for eyes and a smile curve. But clearly that isn't the case, you find the same people talking about how using muscles in certain ways makes people look more expressive.

[Anonymous No.3872952]

>>3872933
>>3872946
there's one thing I hate more than retards
like you and that's programming.
probably the most boring and soul crushing thing I've ever done
I'm sure you need a special kind of autism for it

[Anonymous No.3872954]

>>3872952
You just don't have the spark for programming.

[Anonymous No.3872955]

>>3872954
programming is science, not art

[Anonymous No.3872958]

>>3872943
You got caught in the crossfire, meant that for the other autist anon

[Anonymous No.3872959]

>>3872955
and I'm not the one trying to shill programming on an art board, lmao

[Anonymous No.3872962]

>>3872955
Who said that? Programming is art. You have no knowledge about programming. You'll never understand how it feels to make a procedural demoscene created in a software renderer you created, while keeping it's size as less as you can. You'll never understand how it feels to do crazy math using matrices and vectors and make your own reality. You just don't have the feelz or the sparkz, man.

[Anonymous No.3872965]

>>3872955
Ok, so you don't know what programming is, you don't know what science is, hell I'm skeptical at this point that you even know what art is. How old are you, are you still in school? I think our educational system may have failed you.

[Anonymous No.3872967]

>>3872950
If you think this way what do you think you could achieve as an artist? I’m genuinely curious to see your work

[Anonymous No.3872970]

>>3872962
don't care, you're the one who's on /ic/ where you clearly don't belong

[Anonymous No.3872972]

The autists are here who think programming is art
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA OH NO NO NO NO NO
Please fuck off or post your work

[Anonymous No.3872974]

>>3872965
>programming is art and not science
ok schizo

[Anonymous No.3872978]

>>3872972
Working at YouTube to implement an idea from a higher up alongside 100+ others is art? What a strange world we live in.

[Anonymous No.3872980]

>>3872974
Did you know that there are activities in the world that are neither art nor science? Did you know that "art" and "science" encompass only a very small portion of what humans do?

[Anonymous No.3872981]

>>3872980
you're right
but if you're a retard if you don't know that programming is mathematics

[Anonymous No.3872982]

>hurr spark is a meme
>and art is based on science, which I fuggin love by the way
>and programming is art

[Anonymous No.3872983]

>>3872981
but you're*

[Anonymous No.3872985]

>>3872700
You gotta put more thought into what you want to draw.
If your thoughts are nothing more than the usual “I’ve been at this for hours” and “I don’t want to be here” then you’ve already doomed your progress.

[Anonymous No.3872987]

>>3872982
yes, it's pretty ridiculous at this point

[Anonymous No.3872991]

>>3872967
I'm still /beg/. This is something I made a few months ago, rest is linework and studies.
>>3872970
You're not an arbitrator of where I belong.
>>3872972
>>3872978
Yes, because working in YouTube to implement an idea is the only thing you do as a programmer. That can be art as well, since art is defined as
>the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
Programming requires creativity. Programming can result in visual arts, too. You know nothing about programming or math, so please be open and educate yourself or shut the fuck up.
>>3872982
Quoting and posting an image of laughing doesn't make it untrue. Fucking ridiculous and close minded as fuck. Keep wishful thinking.

[Anonymous No.3872994]

>>3872991
yep, pretty bad just like I thought
please stick to programming

[Anonymous No.3872996]

>>3872991
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Please keep drawing for at least a year before you post again

[Anonymous No.3872997]

>>3872994
And I bet you're some master. Post your work. And no, I'm not going to stop just because your unreasonable and ignorant ass said so.

[Anonymous No.3872999]

>>3872981
I mean, it "is mathematics" in the sense that when you program you're working with algorithms and type systems, and there are fields of mathematics that deal with the theory behind such things, but I'm 90% sure that's not what you meant, and you probably had some idea in mind like that programmers actually solve math problems (like the kind you would do in high school) while programming, which is completely wrong. Again, why do you insist on trying to talk about fields you know nothing about? You're just making yourself look dumb.

[Anonymous No.3873000]

>>3872999
I bet you also think computer science exists

[Anonymous No.3873002]

>>3873000
Guilty as charged. I do think computer science exists.

[Anonymous No.3873006]

>>3873002
See, this is where you're wrong
Computer science is mathematics

[Anonymous No.3873008]

>>3872991
Don’t you think that lumping programming with science AND art creates a bit of a problem? There are lines of code that could be factually wrong, but our value response isn’t the same as say, looking at an ugly painting, or listening to a discordant melody. It’s analogous in some respects, but not enough to matter

[Anonymous No.3873014]

>>3873008
You're comparing process with an end result. Look at the result. I could write a scene of beautiful/ugly procedural models and it'd be no different than a painting. I could also make a software design that looks like shit. I think you should start by defining what "art" is, because you what you're saying doesn't seem to match up with what most dictionaries say.

[Anonymous No.3873017]

>>3873014
this hubris
programming nerds are something else

[Anonymous No.3873018]

>>3873017
CS major here, the classes are 80% guys. This is bound to happen.

[Anonymous No.3873019]

>>3873017
>no argument
Ok. Keep ignoring and act as if you make sense, while you have nothing to say.

[Anonymous No.3873023]

>>3873019
>argument
lmao, this ain't debating club nerd

[Anonymous No.3873026]

>>3872447
Sorry to hear that, but at least it’s given you an appreciation for the father figure most people take for granted.
I understand a little myself, and I know it only encourages me to provide my 9 month daughter with everything a father should be.

[Anonymous No.3873029]

>>3873023
>argues
>has nothing to say
>"Not a debate club"
>"NERD XD"
Keep deflecting. You're a lost cause who stays ignorant and think whatever pleases you, crab.

[Anonymous No.3873031]

>>3873014
That’s not my point, I mean that art has a dimension of subjectivity that could never exist in programming. It’s inherently ‘airy fairy’, and perhaps that’s what sets it apart from science

[Anonymous No.3873033]

>>3873029
You either get "it" or you don't
no use debating

[Anonymous No.3873042]

>>3873031
Again, not really. Even when looking at the process(lines of code), there are 100s of ways you could implement a certain thing that affects factors like speed, size, maintainability, modularity, etc. A lot of these choices and practices are subjective and many people are even religious about their own methods. Obviously factual things also exist, but programming and subjectivity aren't mutually exclusive. As for art being subjective, sure- but facts, the application of those facts and art aren't mutually exclusive as well. People have different preferences in both fields, conscious or subconscious.
>>3873033
Keep crabbing, anyone with even a bit of honesty and acceptance won't take you seriously anymore.

[Anonymous No.3873043]

does this have feels? its how my neuroses feel.

[Anonymous No.3873058]

>>3873043
mainly my schizophrenia it's a drawing of me pulling the chip out of my head this morning. trying to get the fcking satellites out of my head.

[Anonymous No.3873083]

>>3873043
That's some early 2000s DeviantArt emo right there.
Why is there giant text when I have eyes to see the image? Why does the blood not start from the place the screwdriver is? Why is the right hand clenched when it should be open to cover his temples?

[Anonymous No.3873086]

>>3873058
Why every schizo out there has this paranoia? Do you realize that every 'schizo' fucker out there says the same shit about satellites? If you are using anything but Gentoo with Libreboot and shitposting through secure connection then you're just a poser, get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.3873087]

>>3873083
there's no screwdriver it's a chip and the feed wire.

[Anonymous No.3873088]

>>3873083
also, brains don't bleed.

[Anonymous No.3873096]

>>3873083
his right hand is pulling the cavity apart so his left can get the chip from between the lobes. blood starts at the edge of the cavity, I don't know the brain to bleed directly in such an instance

[Anonymous No.3873121]

>>3872437
while this is nice, I can't help but feel like it's a bit creepy.

[Anonymous No.3873301]

>>3872348
>this shit is suppose to let you draw figures
What the fuck Vilppu?

[Anonymous No.3873311]

>programming is art
Never change, /ic/.

[Anonymous No.3873338]

>>3872429
It's fine anon, this isn't a draw thread.

[Anonymous No.3874479]

>>3872447
Break the cycle, anon.

[Anonymous No.3874506]

>>3873301
>he doesn’t get it

[Anonymous No.3874536]

A way to get the "feel" you guys are talking about is to have good gestures, Vilppu teaches this if you watch his lectures and read his books.

Gesture is extremely important, strong gestures can do a lot to make your drawings have impact and gesture can. It also helps with composition by leading the eye through the piece. Pair strong gestures with good shapes and a solid understanding of form and you're golden.

[Anonymous No.3874549]

A way to get the "feel" you guys are talking about is to have good gestures, Vilppu teaches this if you watch his lectures and read his books.

Vilppu constantly talks about how important gesture is. Strong gestures can do a lot to make your drawings have impact. It also helps with composition by leading the eye through the piece. Pair strong gestures with good shapes and a solid understanding of form and you're golden.

[Anonymous No.3874574]

>>3872348
The biggest brain move is to study Vilppu and Hampton while also redrawing sketches from jap animators. That'll really put you in a "gesture first" mindset.

[Anonymous No.3874581]

bridgman and hogarth are also good

[Anonymous No.3874588]

>>3874574
based

[Anonymous No.3874609]

>>3874574
What anime is that from?

[Anonymous No.3874627]

>>3874574
How do i find those? Give me names, anything!

[Anonymous No.3874979]

>>3872412
>>3872516
>The artists who can't feel might as well quit and learn some mechanical job like programming
If you think programming is mechanical you're doomed to a shitty web dev/code monkey jobs. The creative types will be making 500k/yr programming @ FAANGs

[Anonymous No.3875343]

>>3872412
>programming is mechanical

Only for pajeets

[Anonymous No.3875855]

>>3874979
>>3875343
If programming is so artsy why are there so many programmers who come to this board, many of them wanting to jump ship? You don’t see singers, writers, or any other creative group doing that, because they can usually express themselves through those mediums well enough. The “creativity” of the top facebook coders is very different from the creative imagination of actual artists. No one is going to look at Joe’s codes at myspace in the same way as the work of Sargent or Mozart, however innovative it might be. One sort of creativity is only beautiful in a mathematical sense, while the other expresses a large gamut of human experience - you could imagine a song/poem/story/etc like pic related but you’d have be a mega autist to find something analogous in the world of programming

[Anonymous No.3876116]

>>3875855
Perhaps because they did not choose CS because they actually like it. You speak as if a person can only want to do just one thing.

[Anonymous No.3876137]

>>3875855
>No one is going to look at Joe’s codes at myspace in the same way as the work of Sargent or Mozart, however innovative it might be.
>He doesn't know about Carmack, or smart Joe, who can do wizardry
You're just making uneducated generalizations. Different people like different things. A guy might look at another person's work of the same trade and get intrigued and wowed by it.

[Anonymous No.3876141]

>>3874574
CUTEE!!

[Anonymous No.3876145]

>>3872435
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

[Anonymous No.3876200]

I started the book a few weeks ago and I like it, but "repeat until you're comfortable" isn't a very good method of controlling progress, feels like it'd be going a lot faster with someone who could point out mistakes and things to focus on

[Anonymous No.3879215]

>>3876200
It'd do you good to use solid forms and not draw stick people.

[Anonymous No.3879229]

>>3879215
It's just the 15 second gesture thing from the very start of the book, he says not to move onto solid forms before having an understanding of perspective "from a good book", so now I'm going through Perspective Made Easy.

[Anonymous No.3879231]

>>3879215
>>3879229
And here are his exact words about perspective and boxes

[Anonymous No.3879487]

A lot of you guys keep talking about this 'spark', a 'feel' to art - I'm asking legitimately, what do you think this is? An innate skill that you are born with or not? A sense, that can be honed by looking at other pieces and hoping you get it if you don't? Or something entirely different? Like, if I can't 'feel' that in drawn pieces (but can in music or photography, for toexample), am I just fucked when it comes in drawing?

>>3876137
not that guy but using Carmack is cheating, this guy is not even one in a billion but possibly one in a generation, a Newton- or Ramanujan-tier genius

[Anonymous No.3879523]

>>3879487
The spark is to see or think of something so great that you want to drop whatever it is you were doing to draw it.

The feel in art is a state of zen in which lines can convey motion despite being static and expression can be displayed at its fullest through the eyes, eyebrows, head tilt, and body language working together. If you draw Vilppu's abstract set of lines and don't understand his sense of flow then you should adjust your speed and pressure until you vaguely do.

[Anonymous No.3879542]

>>3879487
When I draw forms I can almost physically “feel” them in 3D space, and I somehow forget the fact that I’m drawing on a flat piece of paper. When I draw flat shapes I feel them as totally different to forms. Gestures, done correctly, have a flow to them that isn’t just visual but, again, something you can actually feel. When I look at chicken-scratch lines, or a messy composition, or bad textures, it literally feels like noise.

Saying all of this seems extremely obvious to me, but from posting on this board for a few years I’ve realized there are anons who just don’t experience what we’re talking about and think we’re bulshitting.

[Anonymous No.3879570]

>>3879542
How do I make myself feel forms? I can literally only visualize two edges of a box at a time.

[Anonymous No.3879578]

>>3879570
I don’t think visualization is essential to feeling desu. Watch some Vilppu, like the other anons said I think he does a good job of explaining it

[Anonymous No.3879608]

>>3872918
I'd honestly like to see your work.

[Anonymous No.3879671]

>>3879487
There's good reason to believe that it's innate, but can be trained and improved if you have it. No idea if it carries over between art and music, my money is on yes. It's mostly aesthetic sensibility. You look at something and you know there is beauty there or try to carve the beauty out of it. Negative space is the easiest example and the most easily missed by beginners, the sillouette should 'read' as intended before you even get to the content within. Then you have things like rhythm and composition that get more vague but are the meat of a work.

You have to train yourself to feel these subtle emotions as they relate to a work of art. Some people can do it innately even if they have no skills to back it up. They have aesthetic sense and they have ideas that shine through shitty execution. Some people don't like art and have the aesthetics of an office building.

[Anonymous No.3879688]

>>3872383
i like loomis but i have to say you are wrong.
vilppu is far superior.

[Anonymous No.3879691]

>>3872671
>It doesn't mean it doesn't have feels to it. It just means you're a faggot, and probably autistic since you can't even grasp what someone else might feel from something like this.

Grimaldus faggot and autist confirmed.

[Anonymous No.3879750]

>>3879671
I don't think it carries over, I have an innate talent for design, branding, logos etc, which proved itself in my above average academic and professional success in the field, but my drawing skills are that of an autistic robot after countless months of practice, courses, books etc. I even have an understanding of silhouettes, rhythm, composition etc due to my work, but I still can't apply them in drawing easily.

[Anonymous No.3880171]

>>3879542
"spark" just means you have a voice. An artist who draws well can be boring if they don't have any personal opinions or views on the reality that they are interpreting.

This what people mean when they throw around the word passion or soul.

[Anonymous No.3880245]

>>3876137
>>3879487
Just looked the guy up, wow so the best and most beautiful programe writer you van come up with gets less then two dozen likes on his tweets and was described by police arresting him in his youth as being a super autist brain on legs with no soul, maybe just maybe youe the ones with the warped super niche aesthic to find code worthwhile, probably less humans agree with you then their are inflation fetishist so sure some insane people think something that does not mean it is just a matter of oppion

[Anonymous No.3880255]

>>3880245
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? Please speak coherently

[Anonymous No.3880396]

>>3879487
>not that guy but using Carmack is cheating, this guy is not even one in a billion but possibly one in a generation

LOL look at these knownothings, Carmack is an above average programmer, but there are many like him, the only thing he's better at as putting himself in front of a audience.

[Anonymous No.3880416]

Didn't bother to read all the new posts. I'm one of the programmers who was posting earlier. I just wanted to say that I think programming is NOT an art, but the ideas involved in programming can be very beautiful, and they can have "soul" for whatever that's worth. But I don't expect people to look at code the way they look at paintings, or even to look at finished software products the way they look at paintings (except for software that was made to be art, like games and other things).

[Anonymous No.3880604]

>>3872348
Its just you. I mean this as neutral statement. I have been a pedagogue (not in visual arts but music) for 20 yrs, and its very true that people learn differently. I found the opposite to be true for me I like loomis better than Vilppu, but I prefer the Reilly method over both. I have found as a teacher I have to shift methods depending on the student, I think this is because we are all wired and perceive the world differently. Clearly this can also depend on style, say for instance you want to be a manga artist, but you are studying sight size, its not going to help you ( beyond training you eye). Though I am of the opinion that all learning is good as long as the method is sound and has a direct goal. Developing your craft is distinct from style, and both loomis and Vilppu have distinct styles but their craft can be applicable to everyone. With vilppu I think you found something that resonates with you, which is awesome and I am very happy for you, but I wouldn't throw everyone else out, you never know what you may get from them later on.

[Anonymous No.3881404]

>>3880604
I disagree, some methods are clearly better than other methods. Proko is a perfect example, he spent decades learning and can't draw from his imagination because the learning method was not good enough. We all have 2 eyes, 2 arms, 2 legs, the brain is built to do certain things well across the entire human race.

Some things are just better than other things.

[Anonymous No.3881409]

>>3872383
haha no

[Anonymous No.3881412]

>>3872348
villipu makes things that seem very complex appear effortless and trivial. he demystifies and simplifies the drawing process. because of this, its fair to call him a genius.

[Anonymous No.3882037]

>>3876200
>"repeat until you're comfortable" isn't a very good method of controlling progress
It's what you gotta do, Anon. A good way to check for "comfort" is to try to alter the pose slightly, by making it more dynamic, emphasizing rhythms more, changing parts of the pose, like the tilt of the hips, or shoulders, and practicing how that changes the rest of the body's position, or then drawing straight from imagination a similar or completely different pose. There's a compromise that must be reached between drawing to progress, and not becoming complacent and plateauing, but also knowing when you are truly comfortable and thus competent enough in one area of your drawing to move onto another aspect. There's no rush to drawing, and no consequence to experimenting, so feel free to try all kinds of things. Push it to it's limits, then push it further and completely break it, in order to understand and master it.

A critique of your current pose-- the lines are a bit stiff-- fairly decent but stiff. Try using more fluid lines, to better capture rhythms-- and feel free to push them and exaggerate them more to put more feeling into it. Stand up and emulate the pose yourself, feel how it feels, and seek to illustrate that emotion.