/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3861230]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Previous Thread >>3857613

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:
1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead
2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller
3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY if you need guidance when you haven't even started

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

REMEMBER, if you've just started out you work will not be good, it doesn't need to be, just get in to the swing of actually drawing, and learning how to study. Most of all, enjoy it.

"Success is no accident. It is hard work, perseverance, learning, studying, sacrifice and most of all, love of what you are doing or learning to do."

[Anonymous No.3861233]

Did that guy actually have Shadman written on the gun?
Kinda fits in with how disgustingly edgy Shad is.

[Anonymous No.3861234]

Reminder to never tell /beg/s the two forbidden words.

[Anonymous No.3861237]

Far left was from ref, mid without looking at the ref or the drawing on the left and right was using loomis
am i getting this shit right

[Anonymous No.3861238]

>>3861234
just draw?

[Anonymous No.3861245]

>>3861238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taS98UbC_EU

[Anonymous No.3861259]

>>3861245
This kind of stuff only works on paper, never in real life.

[Anonymous No.3861262]

>>3861259
EEEE wrong.

[Anonymous No.3861265]

>>3861245
based and blackpilled

[Anonymous No.3861274]

>>3861245
>/beg/ think they do good and never get any better
Fuck no wonder drawing is dying.

[Anonymous No.3861278]

>>3861245
Okay, but wait, he had a good question at the end. Then the dude was just like "well if they weren't able to take it, they weren't gonna make it anyways" just like /ic/. How does he just accept that bullshit?

[Anonymous No.3861304]

[Anonymous No.3861305]

>>3861245

This is horrible advice though? Being an asshole to people just trying to improve only makes them internalize that abuse and mistakenly credit it for their improvement. Clearly in that anecdote the kid was embarrassed enough for having beefed a major performance, why would physically abusing him add anything besides a possible diagnosis of PTSD?

Anyone with the potential to be the next Charlie Parker or Babe Ruth or whatever the fuck else wouldn't be satisfied with "good job" anyways, so the entire argument is flawed. And his "proof"? There are more genuinely talented musicians alive today than have ever lived - mainstream music being shit isn't an argument against that because mainstream music has been shit since the dawn of time. This is just pure "back in my day we played REAL MUSIC" Boomer-tier logic with a dash of right wing internalized toxicity thrown in for good measure.

[Anonymous No.3861309]

>>3861304
Why is this feel so real? What causes a person to do this?

[Anonymous No.3861315]

wanting to start on figures but im not much of a reading learner and looking over this loomis book is just....ugh.

[Anonymous No.3861320]

I drew these without reference. They look pretty good to me but I know they're bad. Critique please? Anything stand out?

[Anonymous No.3861322]

>>3861315
Draw this.

[Anonymous No.3861327]

I'd like to get critique on proportions and also is it wrong to learn how to shade with soft pencil shades like pic related? Should i limit myself to two or three tones?

[Anonymous No.3861329]

>>3861237
Good job. Keep it up and you'll be better in no time.

[Anonymous No.3861331]

>>3861327

[Anonymous No.3861332]

>>3861329

[Anonymous No.3861337]

>>3861305
>not understanding metaphors and getting triggered to the point of bringing politics to a discussion that has anything to do with it
>muh 'internalized' thingy

lmao you got hurt, didn't you?

[Anonymous No.3861340]

>>3861320
Needs contrapposto.

[Anonymous No.3861379]

>>3861237
The ass could use a little more chonk and the calf seems like it gets a little too thin at the ankle but otherwise it seems solid.

[Anonymous No.3861398]

[Anonymous No.3861441]

sorry i had to /ic/. not finished yet but are there sny glaring issues so far?

[Anonymous No.3861444]

>>3861441
The nose is pointing directly at the camera.

[Anonymous No.3861449]

Why don't the sticky have a faq?

[Anonymous No.3861450]

>>3861305

> there are more genuinely talented musicians today
> this is because of less hurt feefees and not the fact that most people have a mobile library in their phone
> being this retarded

Ngl someone should have bullied you into suicide

[Anonymous No.3861456]

>>3861444
shit i thought i fixed that. i guess the values arent showing as well in the post. anything else?

[Anonymous No.3861526]

[Anonymous No.3861530]

>>3861526
reference

[Anonymous No.3861567]

>>3861320
Form pretty good, poses booring, camera angle booring. Work on one of those or shading, idk.
>>3861327
Femur lengths seem wrong. What are we looking at with left arm? Is that her hand? Shading is fine, work on construction more.
>>3861331
Nice photocopy.
>>3861398
What r u doing with ur life!
>>3861441
The nose is pointing directly at the camera. Eyes maybe a little too far apart, but fine.
>>3861456
You can't fix it with shading, it's a construction issue.

[Anonymous No.3861591]

>>3861230
i'm so burned the fuck out. i am using the loomis methed to draw the body and i get it a Little bit but jesus after so many bodys i can't telll what im doing wrong anymore.

help. is it ok.

[Anonymous No.3861600]

>>3861591
WHAT THE FUCK

[Anonymous No.3861602]

>>3861591

[Anonymous No.3861625]

>>3861602
ok i will bite. i copied it.

[Anonymous No.3861629]

>>3861602
ok i tried to copy it.

[Anonymous No.3861637]

went back to head study, figure is a bit much right now, and i know the nose is symbol but goddamnit. i think i need a break from drawing jesus christ

[Anonymous No.3861639]

>>3861629
I'd say that's better but you need to make her shoulders narrower

>>3861591
These have really long legs. Never forget that the crotch is at roughly the halfway point. Also don't make the legs so thick and womanly for men

[Anonymous No.3861652]

>>3861567
>What r u doing with ur life!
I usually at least try

[Anonymous No.3861654]

>>3861591
>>3861629
You need to look at the human body at motion. Yes looking at the human anatomy does help but looking at it while in motion will help a lot. I recommend you looking at animation frame by frame.

[Anonymous No.3861658]

Any comments or critiques?

[Anonymous No.3861660]

>>3861637
You need to learn basic human anatomy

[Anonymous No.3861663]

>>3861658
Practice and don't worry about Line work on sketches.

[Anonymous No.3861670]

>>3861398
Learn color theory
>>3861441
Learn color theory and human anatomy

[Anonymous No.3861672]

>>3861660
>basic human anatomy
facial? since i'm starting with head studies? that's a pretty general statement.

[Anonymous No.3861678]

>>3861672
It's a very true statement, what else do you want me to say that you can't learn yourself? You showed us a head >>3861637 with nothing to it. You just showed us an unfinished sketch which is weird. Look at a reference and come back so we could tell you what was wrong instead of showing us something that can literally be done in 5 seconds.

[Anonymous No.3861681]

>>3861629
Sorry, I was trying to imply that you need to study normal human proportions and keep them in mind while drawing. I see now how unclear my instructions were. They aren't rules, just references to compare your observations on, or base your construction on. Also, the ratios in that pic are not exhaustive. You can find more, and make up your own. I just like that pic because there are a lot of ratios/guidelines.
>>3861654
They could study action & pose if they wanted. It wouldn't hurt, but I think they can still learn more about basic human form drawing people standing, facing the camera, with little perspective.
>>3861658
Blobby and misshapen, but showing real observations of form. Draw 100 more of these. Try to learn to put lines where you want them better, but keep sketching, like >>3861663 said, don't worry about inking/line work.
>>3861637
Did you do any construction, or just draw it? Their right eye is not how eyes should be. The nose is not how noses should be. Are you going for cartoon or realism? Trick question! You are going first for realism. Go look at how faces are, and how the face you drew differs from them... After you get back from your break of course.

[Anonymous No.3861683]

>>3861678
okay, thanks for clarifying

[Anonymous No.3861700]

>>3861683
Come back so we can see the finished product. I want to see what you could do with abilities you have now. So all of us could properly see what you need to work on specifically.

[Anonymous No.3861705]

is Drawing the Head and Figure
Book by Jack Hamm worth learning

i have the book in my hand but don't wanna waste time and go back to loomis if not?

[Anonymous No.3861742]

>>3861681
>Sorry, I was trying to imply that you need to study normal human proportions and keep them in mind while drawing. I see now how unclear my instructions were. They aren't rules, just references to compare your observations on, or base your construction on. Also, the ratios in that pic are not exhaustive. You can find more, and make up your own. I just like that pic because there are a lot of ratios/guidelines
tried that again with the info from your picture without looking. can you tell me if its any different or somewhat good. i plan to take a day to draw bodys tomorrow then eyes. they are the hardest thing for me

[Anonymous No.3861747]

>Sorry, I was trying to imply that you need to study normal human proportions and keep them in mind while drawing. I see now how unclear my instructions were. They aren't rules, just references to compare your observations on, or base your construction on. Also, the ratios in that pic are not exhaustive. You can find more, and make up your own. I just like that pic because there are a lot of ratios/guidelines
tried that again with the info from your picture without looking. can you tell me if its any different or somewhat good. i plan to take a day to draw bodys tomorrow then eyes. they are the hardest thing for me


repost cause big picture.(also i think i see flaws in picture like between legs or hips)

[Anonymous No.3861755]

So i was in the gesture drawing thread and used the croquis cafe video

This was one of the 5 minute poses
I took an extra 2 to shade her

[Anonymous No.3861761]

I'm pretty surprised how much I improved over four days! There's still a very long way to go, but it's pretty encouraging.

[Anonymous No.3861781]

Drawing again after a long break. Here's a few poses.

[Anonymous No.3861783]

>>3861245
the whole point of that movie is how it destroys andrew's psyche
don't think you should be taking advice from it

[Anonymous No.3861785]

>>3861781
how?

advice

[Anonymous No.3861788]

>>3861783
But he got gud. Isn’t it proof it works?

[Anonymous No.3861793]

>>3861230
I draw like a 12 year old girl but I'm a 20 year old guy who doesn't really interact outside of 4chan threads.
I feel lost and would like some guidance.

[Anonymous No.3861794]

>>3861793
Blog? Really like this style.

[Anonymous No.3861797]

>>3861747
Yeah, that's a lot better proportion wise. Its true the hip bone is a bit tall. Looking at skeletons might help with that.
>>3861781
Nice shading, form, anatomy. Bad proportions, unless that's what you're going for. Also, finger hand bending too far up.

[Anonymous No.3861800]

>>3861788
No, because by the end of it he had essentially lost everything but aimless determination. No creativity, no joy, nothing.
Being a literal human machine isn't a good ending, it's just sad.

[Anonymous No.3861801]

>>3861793
Go to a technical/trade school for something you can stand doing. Not art.
Oh, sorry, did you want art advice? I dunno, try draw a box?

[Anonymous No.3861811]

>>3861794
I don’t have one. I also don’t save the drawings I make in around 10 minutes out of embaressment.
I feel like you could imitate this style with ease if you like it. Just know I put the colors on a layer below the lineart.

[Anonymous No.3861819]

>>3861811
*3-5 minutes.

[Anonymous No.3861831]

>>3861230
>ask for advice

Has anyone here ever painted and clear coated a table?

I have an old coffee table I'm about to start sanding and I want to paint different images on it. Is there some "high-traffic" clear coat I can spray over it when I'm done? ...or will this inevitably get fucked up?

[Anonymous No.3861834]

>>3861793
Well for one, you could sure use that Loomis mannequin. Not having detail in the eyes can work but you still need anatomy and posing to go from /beg/ tier to capable.

[Anonymous No.3861837]

>>3861800
Not him, but I don't really care for the movie itself, though its pretty good. But I like the little scene I posted earlier, and thought it applies extremely well for art.

I believe it is absolutely vital to know when your art is shit asap. It can be so easy to trip yourself to believe you're doing okay, when its really not the case.

It really pains me to see people who have fuck ton of mileage, spent better part of a decade drawing consistently. And yet their art is /beg/ tier.

I'm not saying we should all behave like assholes, but don't give false hope either. When the art is shit, say it with some advice to boot.

Wouldn't want to produce Shadman 2.0 minus the fame.

[Anonymous No.3861843]

>>3861785
Study Huston, Vilppu, and Bridgeman. What helps me is to draw more with circles and shapes to build the figure first. Thinking of the figure more as a set of like soft blocks or spheres connected by the spine. Then it's just knowing the basic anatomy and drawing out the curves of the muscles, knowing how the muscles weave together. I don't know them that well but simplifying them seems to work. Look at references a lot too. The shading is pretty basic. Just copying Huston's way of blocking in the shadows along the form. Still got a long way to go though. Hope it helps!

>>3861797
Thanks man. Yeah the proportions aren't good. Will work on it.

[Anonymous No.3861876]

Any tips? The background I can greatly improve on Photoshop but I get the feeling that the pose is stiff.
Also I notice I always draw the same pony face when doing anime. It might be my trademark besides shading like a brute.

[Anonymous No.3861883]

>>3861876
The hand away from the viewer feels like its the back of his hand. Also hard to tell if that car in the bottom right is upside down or falling.

[Anonymous No.3861887]

>>3861883
It is the back of the hand.. But I got the elbow wrong. Alright so those speed lines on both sides of the car were a bad idea, thanks

[Anonymous No.3861892]

>>3861887
If it is the back of hand you should try this pose out on your bed or something and see how uncomfortable it actually is.

[Anonymous No.3861946]

[Anonymous No.3861983]

>>3861700
not comfortable with hair but i'm still having "other eye syndrome" and its really irritating me.

>>3861681
construction and i fixed the nose! and as said, having "other eye syndrome" even with references.

[Anonymous No.3861985]

>>3861983
and i forgot the sketch, whoops.

[Anonymous No.3861993]

>>3861985
posting again because i also realize the nose is too small. i think im done for today, even with a 5 1/2 hour break, its getting on my nerves. i'll try again tomorrow with full reference

[Anonymous No.3862002]

>>3861985
Please watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg at least the lesson part of it which is the first hour.

[Anonymous No.3862005]

>>3862002
pulled it up in a new tab to watch later, thank you. much appreciated

[Anonymous No.3862053]

>>3861320
your proportions are off. Crouch is too high, forms are kinda flat and also your anatomy needs lot of work in detail.
You seems to know some of all human anatomy, but its clear that you didn't study and ''master'' specific parts.

>>3861441
values are fucked, symbols instead of forms. Wrong neck anatomy.

>>3861781
Proportions are off. Study perspective and foreshorting.

[Anonymous No.3862057]

i were making this begginer exercise from draw a box
i want to draw people mostly i think, so should i stop doing draw a box and just study loomis?
or should i first finish draw a box and then loomis?

[Anonymous No.3862059]

>>3861831
Not sure about the durability of a spray one, i think that if you want it to last a layer of clear epoxy resin would be your best bet. It's more work casting and polishing it though.

[Anonymous No.3862061]

>>3862057
forgot pic
of course i was making more of those before, but i don't really save them

[Anonymous No.3862063]

>>3862061
You should finish Draw A Box first imo. It'll give you a head start since you'll already have the skill of understanding form and perspective.

[Anonymous No.3862065]

"If you can do it once, you can do it a thousand times"

This is what I was going for. I spent hours in a night just repeatedly drawing simplified heads with simple features, and I had it down; I was pretty happy.

I go to sleep, and wake up. Try to draw the same thing so I don't forget, for some reason I can't. End up spending the next 6 hours going through the construction and feeling the forms out again... for the same result.

It's been about 1.5 weeks of this shit, and it's just not sticking with me, am I just fucking retarded? Is there something wrong with my brain? Or will it get better? I'm trying to progress but it feels like a leaky bucket that drains faster than I can fill it

[Anonymous No.3862066]

>>3862065
Either, you’re doing it differently each time without noticing or you’re not letting your brain do the work for you.

[Anonymous No.3862075]

reimu

[Anonymous No.3862080]

>>3862075
Her head is too angular. Try a 2-1-2.

[Anonymous No.3862088]

What are some easy textures I can practice? Something like cobblestone roads etc..

[Anonymous No.3862092]

>>3861234
>>3861245
That's why people come here instead of plebbit.

[Anonymous No.3862107]

>>3861230
When you construct a face, are you still using your left brain, and if you are, are you supposed to?

I know you're supposed to use the right brain to draw/paint with, but it feels like I'm using the left brain when constructing, and I'm not entirely sure if I'm doing it tthe right way.

Does anyone know?

[Anonymous No.3862112]

>>3862107
What the fuck are you talking about.

[Anonymous No.3862116]

>>3861234
>>3861245
human version of /ic/

[Anonymous No.3862119]

>>3861230
49/49 meme

[Anonymous No.3862122]

>>3862080
thanks dude

[Anonymous No.3862124]

>>3862112
When constructing a head with the ball and plane, many of the shapes look like symbols.
The left side of the brain does symbols.
But when you draw or paint what you see, you use the perceptive right part of your brain.

My question is if you are supposed to use your "painters eye" both in the construction of the head part AND the drawing/painting of the head part, or if you are supposed to use the left brain part to construct with symbols, and THEN use the right side of the brain (the painting one).

[Anonymous No.3862126]

How do i read a text book? I can't read a text book for more than 20 minutes b4 i give and read comics

Also i'm reading Keys to Drawing, and should i do the exercises as i come them, or should i read for a while and then do all the exercises after?

[Anonymous No.3862137]

>>3862126
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.167726/page/n7

[Anonymous No.3862138]

>>3862107
>>3862124
Betty has memed you hard.

[Anonymous No.3862148]

>>3862061
Yeah, don't go onto the texture stuff, but at least drawing boxes in free space is useful. Practicing the forms that loomis uses for construction.

[Anonymous No.3862149]

1. Discipline will help you the most here, even if it's obviously hard to practice.

2. Read -> Stumble into excercise -> Read text related to excercise -> Do excercise -> Read onward when done

[Anonymous No.3862156]

I read on drawabox that you're supposed to draw from your shoulder but I don't know how the heck you do that. I feel like my range of motion is way smaller from my shoulder than my elbow. What am I doing wrong ?

[Anonymous No.3862179]

>>3862138
Useful info, thank you.

[Anonymous No.3862243]

hey can anyone help with this? the legs feel off and im not sure where to place them to align with the waist. made the thumbs too big but those are just kinda placeholders. also not sure which line to go with for the body.

[Anonymous No.3862244]

Is drawing a bunch of boxes at different angles really a good way to get better at perspective?

[Anonymous No.3862248]

>>3862244
Well, that’s how you start

[Anonymous No.3862260]

>>3862244
It's written about on the draw a box website, but the complexities of having many vanishing points for each orientation an object can be in, means that it makes more sense to have an understanding of perspective using vanishing points, but to use that understanding, and a feeling for what looks correct, to draw objects in any given orientation without having to draw lines to vanishing points that are probably somewhere off of your drawing anyway.

[Anonymous No.3862264]

>>3862107
>>3862124
It makes me sad when people fall for pseudoscience bullshit like this. While each side of the brain specializes in certain tasks, and you have a dominant side for motor control, etc., there is no useful interpretation of these differences as aristically or technically related, and they in fact differ from person to person. This "left brain" and "right brain" distinction is a myth that has been going around for a long time, but it's complete bullshit. Please stop believing it and spreading it.

[Anonymous No.3862265]

>>3862243
>>>/a/alternativegeneral

[Anonymous No.3862283]

>>3862265
ya ok nigga

[Anonymous No.3862308]

>>3862156

It's weird as fuck at first, but keep trying. It could also be that you're drawing on a paper that is too small, try something larger

[Anonymous No.3862317]

>>3862107
>>3862124
Seconding what >>3862138 said. I don't think there is a dichotomy between the left and right brain half that you should be thinking about to get better at drawing.
Symbols are pictures used to represent a meaning divorced from the picture itself. If you draw a circle, you may have drawn a symbol that means 'o' or something, but you have also literally drawn a circle.
The 'symbol drawing' meme is because, for most people, the act of improving their art is in realizing that they don't actually have the appearance of an object memorized, but only enough to identify that object. So when they go to draw it, they fill in details improperly with 'symbols' they use to identify the object.
The fix for this isn't to stop trying to use symbols in your mind while drawing, but rather to improve your symbols. Go from 2d to 3d symbols. a can isn't a rectangle with a circle on top, it's a cylinder. A cylinder can be made up of the symbols of circles and lines, but with understanding, it can be done more convincingly. A cylinder is still just a symbolic form of a can, but it's a better symbol then a rectangle.
The process of refining your system of symbols for drawing involves both the right and left side of the brain.

[Anonymous No.3862332]

>>3862317
>Symbols are pictures used to represent a meaning divorced from the picture itself. If you draw a circle, you may have drawn a symbol that means 'o' or something, but you have also literally drawn a circle.

This is exactly the explanation I was looking for, thank you so much.

I'm writing down your reply in my notes for later use, thank you again.

[Anonymous No.3862361]

>>3862332
Eyy, don't get too hype, but thank you for the appreciation.

[Anonymous No.3862421]

>>3862057
No, focus on Drawabox. It'll teach you vital fundamentals that you won't find in most drawing books, including Loomis. It would not be easy (especially the 250 box challenge is going to drain you), but it's much more important than you think. People like to skip the fundamentals when they're learning (because grinding boxes and ellipses is about as fun as it sounds), and then they wonder why the fuck does everything in their drawings look so lopsided and flat.
When you're finished with that, you can move onto Loomis and other stuff.

[Anonymous No.3862488]

>>3861305
ngmi

[Anonymous No.3862491]

>>3861783
>>3861788
>>3861800

as he said, but with a different conclusion.

To git gud you need to destroy your psyche. you must be a marine going through bootcamp, your weak self being broken down and the artist created by sheer gittin gud.

[Anonymous No.3862494]

>>3862491
>destroy your psyche
Define this term better

[Anonymous No.3862506]

>>3862491
Or you can just enjoy drawing, and spend a few hours a day doing it.
You know, like a normal person.

[Anonymous No.3862511]

>>3862506
ngmi

[Anonymous No.3862628]

Fundies

[Anonymous No.3862630]

>>3862628
Using forms to simplify animals digital painting.

[Anonymous No.3862646]

>>3862630
>
The insect is cool, good fundies. Could probably simplify your brushstrokes by making temp layers and locking their transparent pixels, give things shadows in one stroke of a broad brush.

[Anonymous No.3862650]

>>3862646
Thanks Anon !
> making temp layers and locking their transparent pixels
And yeah, that's what I'm doing, but for the
>give things shadows in one stroke of a broad brush.
part, it's nice for the base shadow, however, if I only do this, it'll end up with a clinical unreal look. Even though my insect is far from being realistic, it looks a little bit organic I think ? But thanks for the tip !

[Anonymous No.3862656]

>>3862630
Did you even look at a grasshopper while drawing this? Reeee!!! Jk, nice fundies, keep it up.

[Anonymous No.3862676]

Just did the Stravinsky upside down exercise. I know I fucked up his legs and the proportions on the head. Aside from that, I think it went pretty well. Can someone share a second opinion?

[Anonymous No.3862688]

>>3862676
Date it, put it away and forget it.

[Anonymous No.3862691]

This is easily the best thing I've made so far. I can see some glaring flaws, but I'm still kinda happy that I can see obvious improvement. Would anyone mind offering critique? Preferably anatomy based or related to capturing a likeness (can you tell who it's supposed to be? Because I wouldn't know had I not drawn it) but anything is accepted. I know the hands are shit, I'm working on it. I planned on trying to line it properly next to practice actually doing linework. Right now it's scratchy with sketch lines

[Anonymous No.3862703]

>>3862691
Flat and wonky.

[Anonymous No.3862704]

>>3862691
Shoulders are broad and manly, and head is small for body. These things are not wrong. Certainly a person could be drawn like that, but it's not normal or feminine if that's what you were going for.
Hands both pointing straight forward make them look weird and disconnected from the rest of the body.
Calves are kinda small when compared to those haunches.

[Anonymous No.3862705]

>>3862688
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.3862706]

Never mind the slightly /alt/ styled face/head. I was practicing gestures and chose the least broken one, and this is what came of it. Does it look mostly correct?

[Anonymous No.3862710]

>>3861983
>>3861985
Worry about hair later, I would recommend you to redo the head without looking or using the same sketch. Start with a new one and use a reference.

[Anonymous No.3862715]

>>3862705
Exactly what I wrote.

[Anonymous No.3862716]

>>3862706
>>3856043

[Anonymous No.3862717]

>>3862706
Work on your shading and possibly look into darker pencils.

[Anonymous No.3862719]

>>3862706
i swear to god if you used different references to draw this im chopping your dick off

[Anonymous No.3862720]

I'm drawing as a hobby and I upload to Instagram but I only seem to lose followers. Is it that bad?

[Anonymous No.3862721]

>>3862720
why would you care about followers if it's a hobby

[Anonymous No.3862723]

>>3862721
oof

[Anonymous No.3862725]

>>3862721
This

[Anonymous No.3862728]

>>3862721
It's validation br0

[Anonymous No.3862731]

>>3862717
Yeah shading is probably one of my weaker points. I'll try to focus more on that instead. Though I know absolutely nothing about pencils.
>>3862719
Yeah I saw something weird about how it looked too, but I used zero references other than the character's design. But I wanted to finish it anyway.

[Anonymous No.3862737]

Please I need to know how to recreate this beautiful kind of lines, preferably on Clips studio paint if possible. I can't help but think it's the most kino kind of lines possible imo

[Anonymous No.3862741]

>>3862704
Thank you for this. In previous iterations I actually had narrower shoulders and a larger head, but they both just looked wrong to me. I'll try trusting myself next time and just seeing how it comes out.

I'll take note on the hands, but I really just need to sit down and grind out hands at various angles for a day or something, I'm really clueless when it comes to drawing them

And do the haunches look correctly placed and proportionate to the rest of the body themselves? I'm not confident about the legs at all to be honest. If the only glaring issue with them is that the calves are comparatively small that'd be great

>>3862703
Is it wrong to think that the issue of flatness could be solved with actually paying attention to line weights? I started to take them into account when first doing this iteration but that went out the window when I realized I had a lot to fix with the primary I was drawing on top of so now things are just all over the place and there's no real consistent indication of depth

[Anonymous No.3862742]

>>3862737
Many hours of noodling around on one image.

[Anonymous No.3862744]

>>3862731
Just YouTube dark pencils for art

[Anonymous No.3862746]

>>3862744
Fair enough, last question. Is it because of the outline, or my half ass-ed attempt at giving materials (skin, clothing) different values?

[Anonymous No.3862749]

>>3862741
>line weights
I highly doubt anyone would be able to reintroduce volume into this drawing, purely by changing line weight here and there.

[Anonymous No.3862748]

>>3862742
Are you sure? Because I have been inspecting the full image (and others similar from other artists) and some parts seem to be made with a single stroke.

[Anonymous No.3862751]

https://twitter.com/Andantonius/status/1109147516304584705
Remember lads - work on your art constanly, and you will make it eventually.

[Anonymous No.3862754]

>>3862751

[Anonymous No.3862755]

>>3862748
>I have been inspecting the full image
You realize people draw at a waaaay larger scale than the size the final piece is shipped as, right?

[Anonymous No.3862757]

>>3862746
Skin and clothing

[Anonymous No.3862759]

>>3862749
Oh? So it's more of an issue with my (lack of) understand of form then? Do you have any particularly good resources for learning this kind of thing or is it really just a case of needing to do more studies and it'll come with time?

[Anonymous No.3862760]

>>3862748
he means putting down a sketch and then using deliberate strokes for the final lineart and then applying color on it. Also using lineweight this linear tahs a moderately softer edge to it as well.

Also notice how the lineart get thinner on the more delicate places. Lineart serves primarily as a "hard edge" which fates as you hit softer edges and more delicate details like around the nails. Lineweight and thickness helps here. But lineart can also double up to subtly hint on the ambient occlusion of the space, this you can see at the parts where the palm touches the skin the lineart becomes thinner.

Then the color, the lineart is not black but a tint f reddish crimson which matches well with the skin's color and adds a lighter feel to it than black would by decreasing the contrast between the line and the skin.

[Anonymous No.3862781]

Need crits on the way I drew the torso muscles please

[Anonymous No.3862785]

>>3862781
Draw it again until you get it right

[Anonymous No.3862788]

>>3862785
Get what right? That's what I want to know

[Anonymous No.3862792]

I can't even draw proper circles/squares/triangles. Should I just start with anatomy and LOOMIS or do I keep drawing these basic shapes until I am ready for anatomy.

[Anonymous No.3862793]

>>3862788
Everything

[Anonymous No.3862794]

>>3862781
>>3862788

You have literally nothing correct. Look up reference and maybe Anatomy for Artists.

[Anonymous No.3862796]

>>3862794
fug.

[Anonymous No.3862808]

>>3862793
>>3862794
What now? I looked up Bruce Lee.

[Anonymous No.3862814]

>>3862759
>Oh? So it's more of an issue with my (lack of) understand of form then?
I'd put my money on this.
I don't have a sure one stop resource that's going to instantly clarify your vision, sorry. But this blew my mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVZkG4v5wLQ

[Anonymous No.3862816]

>>3862808
Redraw untill you get it right

[Anonymous No.3862819]

>>3862792
Perfectionism is only going to hinder you.

[Anonymous No.3862820]

>>3862816
I'm not sure exactly. Can you redline it?

[Anonymous No.3862826]

>>3862819
That's good to know. I guess I'll stop drawing shapes now...

[Anonymous No.3862829]

>>3862820
Do what this anon said >>3862794
And redraw it until you understand human anatomy.

[Anonymous No.3862834]

>>3862829
Again, I don't understand what I'm getting wrong. So I won't be able to know if I understand human anatomy, or how much I know of it. I literally followed Hampton and references.

[Anonymous No.3862837]

>>3862834
Can I see the reference you used

[Anonymous No.3862844]

>>3862837

[Anonymous No.3862850]

>>3862844
All right compared to that to your sketch >>3862808 now you tell me what's wrong with it. What do you need to improve on?

[Anonymous No.3862852]

>>3862850
Just give me the answer you smug piece of shit motherfucker

[Anonymous No.3862854]

>>3862850
That's what I've been trying to figure out. Which is why I posted in this thread- need another pair of eyes to look at it.

[Anonymous No.3862858]

>>3862852
Oh my god I'm not even being smug about this. I'm generally telling you to redraw it until you get it right. If this is your first time sketching the human anatomy, guess what it's not going to be great for the first time. It's not going to be great for the second, third, fourth and fifth time. So I tell you again redraw it until you get it right. If you see nothing wrong what the reference and your sketch then I have nothing more to say.

[Anonymous No.3862860]

>>3862852
>>3862854

[Anonymous No.3862861]

>>3862858
>>3862852
This is someone else. No idea why they did that.

[Anonymous No.3862866]

>>3862814
Thanks, I appreciate the help

[Anonymous No.3862870]

>>3862861
Oh my god just look at it different reference preferably one without skin

[Anonymous No.3862900]

Last three pages from a 30 minutes Line of Action session. I couldn't do a thing with last pose. I guess I should try using less lines but most of the time they don't turn up as I wanted and draw over them again and again. How am I doing?

[Anonymous No.3862903]

>>3862808
>>3862781
Ffs, you are drawing a combination of surface detail and musculature, and not doing either very well. you have clearly begun to observe how muscles be, but you need to keep doing that. Also look up a skeleton or two so that you don't accidentally draw dislocated shoulders so much.

[Anonymous No.3862908]

>>3862900
You’re doing a good job. I drew similarly before.

[Anonymous No.3862912]

>>3862900
Your proportions are a bit out of wack, but nothing too bad. Looks like your practicing is going well, just draw more. When you are scribbling lines and you get one that looks right, take the time to think of why the ones you first drew looked wrong and the one you got right looked right. Also maybe just practice line control a la draw-a-box?

[Anonymous No.3862916]

>>3862870
>>3862903
On it, thanks. What do you guys think of Anatomy for Sculptor? I'm reading that as reference right now.

[Anonymous No.3862921]

>>3862916
one of the best books desu

[Anonymous No.3862934]

Hello /beg/. I was attempting to draw a dog from reference, and I cannot seem to be able to properly render fur in a realistic manner. I can render and shade bald animals such as king vultures well, but fur seems to throw me off. Any idea on how to specifically render fur and animal hair?

[Anonymous No.3862941]

>>3862934
Post drawing

[Anonymous No.3862948]

>>3862908
>>3862912
Thank you both.

I was just reading lesson one on draw a box, I think I'll work on it. I tried drawing from the shoulder on this last session as lesson one says. It says I should use a felt pen to do the exercises though, should I start doing my figure drawing with one such pen too?

[Nosebro No.3862970]

>>3861230
great meme

[Anonymous No.3862977]

Man, /ic/ has changed since the last time I was here a few years ago. Back then I could just make a new topic for my picture and get meme'd on, now I there's a ton of general threads and a bunch of rules to read. So I hope I'm submitting this in the right place.

Anyway, any advice/comments/criticism, /beg/?

[Nosebro No.3862980]

>>3862977
its the right place because youre terrible and this is the terrible artists thread.

[Anonymous No.3862981]

>>3862977
Looks flat and learn color theory.

[Anonymous No.3862983]

>>3862981
Well, yeah the colors are flat. I didn't do any shading.

How would you improve the colors, if you could?

[Anonymous No.3863001]

>>3862983
>How would you improve the colors, if you could?
Less primary and secondary colors, more variety. You shouldn't be using sharpies for coloring.

[Anonymous No.3863007]

>>3862983
>How would you improve the colors, if you could?
Use more then one color

[Anonymous No.3863010]

Well, clearly I don't have the tools for coloring. Here's what the lineart looked like. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.3863014]

How’s my head construction? I’m holding off on features for now

[Anonymous No.3863015]

>>3863007
>>3863001

So I bought a set of copics, and I'm still experimenting with them. As you can see, not doing to well. Do you have any suggestions or links to tutorials on how to make them look less amateur? Thanks.

Here's what the lineart looked like, anyway

[Anonymous No.3863018]

How’s my basic ass head construction? Focusing on basics a lot before doing anything else

[Anonymous No.3863022]

>>3863018

[Anonymous No.3863023]

>>3863015
how much did you pay for it?

[Anonymous No.3863027]

>>3863023
Cost of paper, pen and pencils only, anon.

You'd need to work a lot harder than that to crush my confidence

[Anonymous No.3863028]

>>3863018
>>3863022
Looks crooked. Keep working on it. I want to see it once you're done.

[Anonymous No.3863032]

>>3862916
>Anatomy for Sculptor
Looks super nice. I really like the side by side skeletal, musculature, and skin, also the color coded muscle groups and insertion points.
Also check out
https://human.biodigital.com
if you want to look at the skeleton and muscles in 3d. You have to sign up, but they have nice free model sets and you can just use a google account so whatever.
>>3863022
>>3863018
Looks good for an ass head.

[Anonymous No.3863033]

>>3863022
Lines are ok, but there's nothing there. I've generally found that if you want people to comment on what you've done, you need to provide a 'finished' piece. Your "basic ass head construction" is just a bunch of lines in proportion. There's nothing to say about it except "Yes, those lines are in proportion". Make an actual head out of it, and then we can judge it.

Also your chin needs to be a little longer.

[Anonymous No.3863034]

>>3863027
uhhh excuse me? how much were the copics dude? aren't they notoriously expensive?

[Anonymous No.3863035]

>>3863027
I'm not crushing your confidence I'm just asking how much you pay for it, if you really like the art style I can't really say much on that. That kind of art style is not my favorite.

[Anonymous No.3863038]

>>3863028
Well here’s another one I done a few days ago that’s “finished”. I’m not confident in drawing features yet. What’s a good way to make sure lines are straight when I free hand?
>>3863033
Critique my shit up

[Anonymous No.3863040]

>>3861788
it's a movie you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.3863041]

>>3863038
Holy shit

[Anonymous No.3863042]

>>3863032
>Looks super nice. I really like the side by side skeletal, musculature, and skin, also the color coded muscle groups and insertion points.
Yup, I also like the fact that it doesn't stylize much.
>https://human.biodigital.com
Damn, that's a great resource, thanks a ton.

[Anonymous No.3863044]

>>3863033
>>3863022
Chin looks fine to me, but yeah you need to finish it more. Also, don't draw just one head, draw many, post a page full of heads.

[Anonymous No.3863046]

>>3863034
They are quite expensive, about $12 a marker. I got a basic pack of 12 and I can't remember how much it cost. As you can see, its the artist, not the tools, that make the art. Still, I figure as with anything practice will only make me get better.

[Anonymous No.3863048]

>>3863041
>>3863038
Looks decent just work on the eyes and ears. Just keep practicing you'll get there.

[Anonymous No.3863049]

>>3862506
Damn, how can people live with being so mediocre?

[Anonymous No.3863050]

>>3863041
That's actually quite good, I like the realism. Continue rendering it!

[Anonymous No.3863052]

>>3863048
Thanks. I have a lot of hobbies but hoping to stop putting art on the back burner.
>>3863050
>render
Lmao haven’t even gotten there yet friend. Thanks for the input though

[Anonymous No.3863053]

>>3863046
Stop dodging the question how much were the copies?
>>3862977
>>3863015

[Anonymous No.3863059]

>>3863044
Here some more of my heads. I draw big ass chins for some reason

[Anonymous No.3863061]

>>3863052
Same here, in fact it looks like we're on the same level. The trouble I have when it comes to the face getting the eyes right.

[Anonymous No.3863062]

>>3863059
Just keep doing what you're doing you're getting there, I see Improvement.

[Anonymous No.3863063]

>>3863061
Eyes are fucking hard to draw. There’s so many different shoes eyes but the whol half trapezoid thing always ends up looking weird when I put them on a face

[Anonymous No.3863066]

>>3863053
The copics were $12 a marker. I bought them from a local art store.

If you're interested in a set for yourself you can try amazon.com
https://www.amazon.com/Copic-Marker-SB12-12-Piece-Sketch/dp/B000MRR3GU/ref=sr_1_4?crid=253U42A2BFCI0&keywords=copic+markers&qid=1553392731&s=gateway&sprefix=copic+m%2Caps%2C158&sr=8-4

That's close to the set I bought, and it seems you can get it for much cheaper than what I paid.

[Anonymous No.3863067]

>>3863041
Eye on left smaller than eye on right. Line on left side of nose makes it look like nose is pointing to the left, but nose is slightly over to the right, so it should be pointing right. Maybe nose is too far to the right and he's facing to the left? Lips smaller on left side.
Pretty good anon.

[Anonymous No.3863070]

>>3863067
So basically just line everything up better. Definitely an issue I have

[Anonymous No.3863074]

>>3863059
Your chins look fine to me. Maybe a little wide, but it meshes well with the construction of the face so I wouldn't change it at all.

I notice on your eyes in some places you use a box for a guide, and in other places a single line. Everywhere you've used a single line, your eyes became asymmetrical, while they retained their proportions with the box. I would encourage you to keep using a box, or at least two guide lines for the eyes.

[Anonymous No.3863081]

>>3863059
Chins look masculine. Good if that's what you're going for. Reminds me a bit of dude from prozzak vids.
Try some different angles maybe?

[Anonymous No.3863098]

>>3863081
I just want to get real comfortable with this basic front facing pose first but I’ll definitelly work on different angles this week
>>3863074
I actually just did another with using boxes for guidelines. It looks way better. Great advice

[Anonymous No.3863131]

>>3861230
Hello uuuuh its been a while since ive posted here but i want help trying to figure out how to draw her legs here on the right, because im fucking stupid. I made that ref thing on the left.
Also, pls point out anything else thats fucking ugly and should be fixed. coloring is clearly not finished and i only added it for my own sake.

Also, i need big major tips on keeping on track and focusing so that i can make her comic in less than 10 years.

[Anonymous No.3863143]

>>3863131
>>3862265

[Anonymous No.3863152]

My best and last drawing, from six years ago. I'm getting back now and want to know if I can not read all that nerd shit in the sticky.

[Anonymous No.3863159]

>>3863152
well you are good at copying and shading i can tell you that

[Anonymous No.3863176]

>>3862002
>watched video, retains most information on top of minor loomis reading
>wanting to continue head studies
>is pretty drunk
what do?

[Anonymous No.3863186]

How do I get myself to stop drawing random OC's and just fucking study?

[Anonymous No.3863194]

>>3863186
Look at tutorials and follow their instructions.

[Anonymous No.3863207]

>>3863194
Yeah, I get that.

At this point I've got so many tutorials and artbooks I could be reading it's getting overwhelming then I see a nice post on twitter of someone else's fanart or OCs and just feel like spending time doing the same. Still trying to break this.

[Anonymous No.3863224]

>>3863207
Self-discipline is a very hard thing to do, believe me I'm trying to get out of my depression. But it's doable. So what is it that you're having trouble on, face, human anatomy, coloring? I need to know first before I can help you.

[Anonymous No.3863241]

>>3863224
Honestly, I trying to get better at everything at once which is probably adding to stuff not sticking. Somedays I'll work on facial expressions, other days I'm fucking with colors or just drawing OCs trying to get thier anatomy right. It's mostly because I see a bunch of artists who are good at different things and when I try my hand at them I never get very far and end up blowing 2+ hours on nothing.

I think I'm going to actually dip into those artbooks I have to use as figure practice.

[Anonymous No.3863243]

Sobbles drawn recently
Lately I've been noided over my choice of color palette

[Anonymous No.3863246]

>>3863241
I recommend you making yourself a schedule. Like one day you could be working on facial expressions and heads and the other day you could be working on poses. And you get the gist of it. Don't set yourself with such a high standard. Do low standards that you'll be able to do each and every day. Then slowly but surely your skills will develop and you'll be drawing like a master. Also don't be so envious two other artists on social media platforms. The only person that you should be envious is the better version of you tomorrow. And the person you don't want to be is you from yesterday. Do you kind of get what I'm trying to say?

[Anonymous No.3863256]

I'm trying to get back into drawing after a long hiatus. Crits would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.3863259]

>>3863256
Some of your proportions are off

[Anonymous No.3863260]

>>3863246
Yeah, I get you.

I know I shouldn't get so envious. I used to think following a lot of artists would be motivation but I'm starting to realize the effect it's having on me. I'll start trying the small goals , especially since I'm still trying to learn how to properly even use digital tablets. It's almost like relearning what I've already learned in some respects.

[Anonymous No.3863267]

>>3863256
feet should be bigger, face looks caved in, ass cheek should be bigger, body need to be curvy not manly (unless you're drawing a little man)

[Anonymous No.3863280]

>>3863260
Yeah, make a to do list cuz if you don't have a goal in mind you're just going to wander off and get back to the same routine that you were in.

[Anonymous No.3863327]

>>3861230
How is it? I am pretty proud, I got a drawing tablet a week ago.

[Anonymous No.3863332]

>>3863327
I'm not an expert, but it looks flat. Try construction and learn more about figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.3863336]

Tips on how to get better? Any areas I should focus on?

[Anonymous No.3863340]

Posting from my iPad so bare with me for a bit. How do I color like pic related? My technique so far has been flats then shadows with chalk brush, then blend with another chalk brush. I want to try to capture a look in the same vein but I don’t really know how. Posted the other day but didn’t get WiFi until today, was stuck on LAN internet.

[Anonymous No.3863344]

>>3863340
My progress so far

[Anonymous No.3863345]

>>3863340
get off beg.

[Anonymous No.3863347]

>>3863345
Did you even read his post?

[Anonymous No.3863360]

>>3863336
Shading

[Anonymous No.3863364]

>>3863259

Anything specific?

>>3863267

Thanks, I appreciate it. I think I know what I need to study next. Also yeah, it's supposed to be a young-ish boy.

[Anonymous No.3863366]

>>3863345
Is that the only advice I get?

[Anonymous No.3863372]

>>3863340
>>3863344
I guess first starters learn color theory. Notice how the artist uses a lot of blues for shading >>3863340

[Anonymous No.3863386]

>>3863372
Thanks. I don't want to come off as looking for a shortcut or anything, but would you think just changing the colors of my shadows would be passable to a degree? The only reason I ask is because this is a commission and the deadline is supposed to be Monday. I'll have it finished either way, whether it looks shitty or not. But I really do like this style >>3863340 and genuinely want to learn it for myself.

[Anonymous No.3863388]

>>3863386
>commission
fuck, good for you.
and yes, using the correct colors would help a lot.

[Anonymous No.3863393]

>>3863386
Yeah, using the correct colors would help. Also notice how the eyes aren't outline. >>3863340 Actually just look at the whole outline of the art in general. It blends in really well.
>commission
Whoa

[Anonymous No.3863397]

>>3863388
>>3863393
Only $40 and from a good friend so I mean not too good but it does feel kinda good. Would be better if it were from a follower or something but I'll take what I can get. Thanks for the advice. I'll tinker around with it. Also there's going to be a light source right in front of her. She's looking at the triforce but I couldn't fit the entire thing here without the file being too big. No clue how to resize it on an iPad so I just had to crop it. I guess I should use a much darker blue for the shadows? About the blended outline, to be entirely honest, I don't know how to paint without lines. I've always been an outline-to-color kind of person. I do wanna change the eyes though since it's the only black. Definitely stands out.

[Anonymous No.3863408]

>>3863397
Do you layer it or do you do it one and done?
>Would be better if it were from a follower or something but I'll take what I can get.
It's better if you learn as you go and less stress but doing it for a friend is good because he'll hold you accountable.

>Also there's going to be a light source right in front of her. She's looking at the triforce but I couldn't fit the entire thing here without the file being too big.
Oh boy you said deadline is on Monday, right?
Yeah you gotta take a 24 hour crash course on. color theory, buddy

[Anonymous No.3863414]

>>3863408
what do you mean by one and done? I have a layer for my flats, lines, and these chalk shadows I've been using if that's what you mean. Also have the green painted background.

[Anonymous No.3863420]

>>3863414
>what do you mean by one and done?
I mean no layers.
>>3863414
>I have a layer for my flats, lines, and these chalk shadows I've been using if that's what you mean.
I guess you can remove the lines and draw some new ones. Use a darker color.

[Anonymous No.3863423]

I tried to test my construction ability. I request critiques and tips from the almighty /beg/ lords. Please rate my Deku.

[Anonymous No.3863424]

>>3863420
they started off as blue and I just colored them in different. Could I get away with just alpha lock and then making them a dark blue/black or should I just scrap it and start over?

[Anonymous No.3863427]

>>3863424
Well it looks alright >>3863344 I feel like it just needs a few tweaks and it'll be good. But it's up to you if you want to start over.
Save it just in case and start over, I guess.

[Anonymous No.3863433]

>>3863423
I think it looks pretty good, well done Anon!

[Anonymous No.3863434]

>>3863423
Deku's lower left leg is very odd here. It just seems to appear in a completely different orientation than the thigh, really jarring. I'd say the rest of it looks decent.

[Anonymous No.3863444]

>>3863366
1. Study realism which means shading real faces in the light
2. Get your references sorted out, which means when you shade you are supposed to be copying the fuck out of someone else's style and not just doing your own thing. Which means you will likely be doing master studies of that artist's work - you aim to copy it precisely.

Later on you can use multiple references - some for the pose, some for the light. Of course, an ipad is not a serious drawing tool compared to a proper drawing tablet and you are going to be missing out on things such as liquify that can help to get your faces right and colour blending is highly dependent on the drawing program you use.
3. Gurney is a good book for colour theory but master studies/references will help you figure out how colours work.

[Anonymous No.3863457]

I know I suck big time, (you'll have to zoom in).

How could I go about making something out of this sort of thing?

[Anonymous No.3863461]

>>3863457
I don't understand, anon? What is it that you want?

[Anonymous No.3863464]

>>3863461
Advice or criticism idk. I'm a muso and not really an artist.

[Anonymous No.3863467]

>>3863464
What did you even draw? It's hard to criticize something that doesn't really make sense.

[Anonymous No.3863468]

>>3863464
It's abstract but there's nothing for me to go off on, y'know?
>How could I go about making something out of this sort of thing?
Pixel art

[Anonymous No.3863470]

>>3863467
Does an object have to exist in reality to make sense?

Any way zoom in, there's plenty of objects in there.

[Anonymous No.3863473]

>>3863470
>Does an object have to exist in reality to make sense?
No, it has to make sense to make sense, in order to be critiqued. Why are you not describing it?
>Any way zoom in, there's plenty of objects in there.
Looks like humans, Egyptian pharaohs, bunch of ships. What do you want with this?

[ABSTRACT THOUGHTS No.3863474]

>>3863470
>Does an object have to exist in reality to make sense?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwmeH6Rnj2E

[Anonymous No.3863475]

>>3863143
>>3862265
Calm your memes Anon /beg/ is for everyone that wants to get better. While /alt/, /asg/ and /draw/ are for people that are better.

[Anonymous No.3863476]

>>3863470
TOO DEEP

[Anonymous No.3863479]

>>3863464
>>3863470
We can't give you any advice whatsoever as abstract art does not qualify for the same standards that any other art abides by. Spriting is also essentially miniaturised realistic art if you get down to the nitty gritty of anything that isn't purely abstract/pattern based or retro.

I played/used to play a website called dragcave which is a site whereby user created sprite art is submitted and approved and a lot of people focus highly on realistic anatomy and shading there. When I was young I tried to create many concepts that weren't ever as good as the other concepts created by other people because spriters were:

a) Good at sketching anatomically to begin with, because they drew what they wanted, resized it and sprited over it instead of scratch spriting a lot of the time
b) Good with light and colour, for example Gurney's light and colour will explain why you should never use shadows that are shades of black and lighten with shades of white

But because you aren't utilising any of the modalities here, there is really nothing to critique. Are you happy with your art? Do you like the works of other artist's more than your own? If you are content with your own art, there is nothing additional that can be advised and you won't really know where you rank amongst others unless you push towards it.

[Anonymous No.3863485]

>>3863152
You're not horrible at copying but you have something fundamentally wrong. You're thinking in shapes and not forms (as evidenced in his face). You'll have hard time drawing big stuffs like the head and such. Focus less on the outlines of what you're copying, and more on trying to figure out how the thing behaves in a 3D space, and kind of forms shape it.

TL;DR - Prescribed with Loomis' Fun with a pencil.

[Anonymous No.3863493]

>>3863479
They're just simplifications of things I can see in my head.

I'm simply looking for advisable methods of having more control over the expressions, to increase detail.

I wouldn't say this is all that abstract, there's clearly defined objects here and whilst they are somewhat abstractions there's still definite objects.

It's more or less emergent "art", if I dare call it art, as if you read from the top left you'll see that it constructs cellularly, it's start simple with some cells they mutate, combine rearrange and more cells add to them forming the objects the further out you go.

I get where you're coming from in the case that in order to make a judgement you need to put it up against a value system.

I guess I better question would be, what are some ways I could go about forming these objects in more concrete forms?

So that they 1: Don't look like an early 80s arcade game and 2: have an existence in 3d space.

[Anonymous No.3863494]

Can I get a redline on the tits? it just don't look right, I've watched so many guides, and it just ends up looking unbalanced, I try to make it look like it connects into the shoulder diagonally like a teardrop but it looks weird. I've never been good at suggesting organic form with lines but this is especially frustrating

Other advice welcome as well. How are the proportions? I calculated and measured the body type that I jerk off to the most and after a few hours of drawing and testing I came up with this. Beautiful, isn't it? 3D girls can't compete.

[Anonymous No.3863499]

>>3863131
hiya Acrimona Anon, good to see ya again been wondering where have you been, was thinking that you lost your motivation.

as for this I am not sure of the camera shot, the skirt and torso gives me the impression that she is looking upwards maybe? however the neck and face is show from the front.

As for the legs Arci's body has quite the visible triangular structiue in the save for the head so I would suggest that you just go with that basic triangle shape and use that are the baseline starting point as you pose her.

>Also, i need big major tips on keeping on track and focusing so that i can make her comic in less than 10 years
Timed schedules and habits, first aim to make a comic page/strip like say a week/3 days/weekend at the start. And try to stick to it it is about buildin ga habit for working at it.

SKETCHBOOK!!! I just can't stress how important this is for comics and cartooning as cliché as keeping a sketchbook sounds. Have a small sketchbook (paper or digital) that you take with you as you go on your day be it walking down the street or at work or playing a video game. Every time you see something that sparks an idea that you can suddenly connect with acrimona do a quick sketch as soon as you have the time. This can be anything, from eating ice cream to getting annoyed by traffic to picking flowers to seeing a bird to getting soaked in a sudden rain. Or something more story relevant like meeting a demon king and you get an idea about how the demon king's castle looks like, or a comedic scene where Acri clobbers someone with her metal club.

Doesn't matter how mundane or crazy it is, if the idea comes you must put it down so it is not lost and your brain can relax knowing that you have saved something for the future. Comics are a long term investment, you know that, so you need to build up and constantly build a healthy stash of visual ideas to keep it alive.

[Anonymous No.3863500]

>>3863493
Really the only ways in which art improvement is made is by studying that which you wish to work towards (so for example if I wanted to make something have an existence in 3D space I would collect plenty of examples of art that have that presence. In this way, I collect good items for my visual library and references that I can refer to while making art to ensure that I am on the right path, so to speak).

And fundamentals, to support this endeavour (so for example if my interest was geometric I would study still life -- so for example drawing spheres, pyramids and how they are shaded under different lighting conditions) and values and colour (to fill my objects with that colour). I think the most useful resources for these are How to Render: The Fundamentals of Light, Shadow and Reflectivity (which teach you how to shade and colour such that it looks as it should. Because some objects might have different materials for instance) and Colour and Light by James Gurney which can be skimread in an hour and a half, which supports how to create the illusion of form in the context of different lighting.

There are also plenty of good pixel art tutorials floating around, for example this one that I saved. Because pixel/sprite art tends to be quite stylised, you might need to pare back your knowledge of light/colour/rendering back as necessary to achieve the correct look which is easier to do with references as it won't necessarily exist in your mind.

[Anonymous No.3863501]

>>3863131
i think she's cute but the pose is so random and wack, also the arms appear about twice as long proportional to the head on the right image, compared to the left.

[Anonymous No.3863509]

>>3863494
The bend in the back, the tit to shoulder connection, balloon thighs, and the fist hand, bothers me.

[Anonymous No.3863556]

>>3863494
One important thing about the female pelvis Anon. The bottom of the pelvis (yes where the pussy is) is found at the point where the hips are the widest. This is because women have to give birth to children. On your picture the bottom of the pelvis needs to be way lower.

[Anonymous No.3863570]

>>3862264
I'm a complete /beg/, so I honestly don't know anything.

I was recommended reading the book because it seemed relevant for what I had trouble understanding, sorry.

[Anonymous No.3863603]

>>3863570
>it seemed relevant for what I had trouble understanding
Which is?

[Anonymous No.3863625]

>>3863494
Small hands make the body look more leaning to the "thicc" type, unless that's your intention. The rule of thumb for drawing hands is that the palm (minus the fingers) should cover the entirety of the person's cheek.You can try this with your own.

[Anonymous No.3863629]

>lines are complete shit again today
old good 4h warmup coming up before i can draw even okayish looking cube

[Anonymous No.3863630]

>>3863629
Don't you get tired of being autistic?

[Anonymous No.3863641]

>>3863630
I do, but it needs to be done

[Anonymous No.3863644]

>>3863629
I totally understand that as a guitarist. you do a 24 hour warm up one day and then realize that that's not even getting started for the time it takes to get properly warmed up... But then you have to sleep dude and your power weaken again.

[Anonymous No.3863654]

>>3863629
> i can draw even okayish looking cube
Reminder that if your cubes don't have good perspective (you can check that with vanishing points), you should go all the way back to basics until they do.

[Anonymous No.3863655]

>>3863629
How about you warmup for 4 hours doing straight lines IN the form of boxes, or incorporate what ever "warmup" implies into something a little less mind numbing that the average circle/line grind, which people like you seem to mindlessly gravitate towards.

[Anonymous No.3863658]

HELP

[Anonymous No.3863659]

>>3863658
What exactly do you need help with anon? Please be a bit more elaborate.

[Anonymous No.3863662]

>>3863659
Just pointers to anything that can be improved desu. It's my first sprite so I'd appreciate as much feedback as possible.

[Anonymous No.3863664]

>>3863658
>>3863662
http://pixeljoint.com/

[Anonymous No.3863677]

>>3862737
traps are sometimes gay

[Anonymous No.3863700]

>>3862977
are you sure you are not thinking of /i/?

[Anonymous No.3863702]

I was told to auto tone and turn the photos I take into monochrome black & white, but when I do it doesn't accurately resemble the values I've made in real life

anyway, this was just for practice

[Anonymous No.3863703]

>>3863702
I could have pushed the values so much harder but I guess it's daunting sometimes
the coat is fucked up and some parts are definitely off, but overall I'm happy
finding the midpoint is definitely helpful for proportions

[Anonymous No.3863704]

>>3863470
to make sense means to follow the rules of the world we live in. An object doesnt have to exist in this world to make sense, but it has to follow its rules to do so.

Now ask yourself, does what you posted follow the rules of our world?

[Anonymous No.3863710]

Why does this lack form?

[Anonymous No.3863712]

>>3863704
It doesn't have to follow the rules of the world to make sense, it can follow abitrary rules from a different world work within those confines. Are dreams limited to only what exists in the material or can more be percieved?

[Anonymous No.3863714]

>>3863710
too muddy

[Anonymous No.3863727]

>>3863712
when somebody ask if "something makes sense" giving no other context then we compare it with our our rules, not other arbitrary ones. if you want to compare to such you have to mention which one

[Anonymous No.3863744]

>>3861876
Put my max effort into polishing this one, but I kinda gave up after rendering the boy. What do you think? I feel like the composition failed at being as epic as I imagined.

[Anonymous No.3863749]

My asshole is ready

[Anonymous No.3863752]

>>3863749
Proportions.

[Anonymous No.3863762]

>>3863662
>>3863658
Not a pixel artist her but this is how I would change it.

[Anonymous No.3863769]

Anyone have some good tips for drawing what you see instead of what you think you see? I've taken a few life drawing sessions but the teachers weren't that helpful with helping me get over drawing shapes instead of whats actually in front of me. Is there a good book or tutorial online to help with this? Or is it just something you get over by observing and practicing a lot?

[Anonymous No.3863784]

>>3863769
Keys to Drawing, and do the upside down Igor Stravinsky drawing thing first (in the sticky)

[Anonymous No.3863800]

Besides being unfinished, what’s wrong with my drawing? I feel im stuck and i can’t see why... Please help anons.

[Anonymous No.3863804]

>>3863800

[Anonymous No.3863805]

>>3863800
its just boring
nothing is there really, you drawn face and the rest of body has no anatomy

[Anonymous No.3863817]

>>3863800
Low effort doodle. Try harder.

[Anonymous No.3863820]

>>3863744
The composition can be rearranged to show the kid better, his dark hair and cloth is way better against a blue sky. I moved him a to a more rule of thirds position. Then throw in more chaos around the debris that is around make them look more twisted and turned and put a little foreground element as well.

[Anonymous No.3863821]

>>3863769
>drawing shapes
Don't confuse symbols with shape.

[Anonymous No.3863823]

>>3863821

Sorry meant to say symbols.I really need a good clear explanation on how to get over this. I know my drawings don't have to be perfect I just want them to look somewhat decent. Don't think I'll ever be a master but it would be nice to get good enough to sell art someday.

[Anonymous No.3863844]

>>3863805
>>3863817
How can i make it less boring or try harder?

[Anonymous No.3863848]

>>3863499
thank you bro. seeing you post always makes me very happy, and im glad you remember!
Im sorry i couldnt attach an image to show off my progress with the drawing, and quite busy today.
And i'll totally get a sketchbook now. i have one but it's not quite portable and so im too embarrassed to pull it out on a bus or something.
here ive attached a profile of the main antagonist to show its me

[Anonymous No.3863883]

a sketch, i spent a lot of time redrawing the leg facing forward. tried to use my own leg as reference, other than that couldn't really find what i was looking for on google images. i think the final result turned out decently but there's still the feeling that i'm doing something wrong.

[Anonymous No.3863890]

>>3863883
her left leg is disproportionately bigger than her right leg and body

[Anonymous No.3863898]

>>3863890
how's this?

[Anonymous No.3863907]

>>3863898
now this is better, also i missed the big chunk of meat in her left calve in this pic, thats just too meaty for a girl just look how wide it is

[Anonymous No.3863912]

new thread >>3863911

[Anonymous No.3863917]

>>3862126
Play with a wad of silly putty/clay while you read. It will keep you focused because you will have an active stimuli to reset your focus with.

[Anonymous No.3863939]

Help

[Anonymous No.3863941]

Drew some head things
They look good right?

[Anonymous No.3863972]

>>3863939
>>3863941
go to the new thread please
>>3863911

[Anonymous No.3863987]

>>3863848
Looks cool! Keep doing your stuff man, never stop! You have got some great potential going on. Do it and no regrets! Hope to see you return soon!

[Anonymous No.3863996]

>>3863710
Maybe too bright on the top given how long that shadow is, most of the light should be on the left side.

[Anonymous No.3864023]

>>3863762
thanks lad, I'll try to change the shading a bit to see if I can make it look like you made it.

[Anonymous No.3864674]

any tips or crit homies, the background was shit, meant more for character.

[Anonymous No.3864892]

Any pointers for my rendering? (I’m trying to get into digital, but I’m rarted, and still using lines as a crutch.)

[Anonymous No.3864895]

>>3864892
>>3863972
Oh, sorry, I’ll do that.