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How can western artists even compete?

>> No.3793782
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3793782

>>3793778
Especially when their culture is full of taboos, SJW, incels and anti-sex movements.

>> No.3793785

In terms of pedophilia, you westerners have won

>> No.3793793
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>>3793785
especially EU

>> No.3793797

>>3793778
That's some pedo shit right there.

>> No.3793801

>>3793778
Thailand

>> No.3793811

>>3793778
>>3793782
considering he draws so many girls, it's kind of ironic their faces are always awful.

>> No.3793813

>>3793778
That looks like the start of a gangbang hentai.

>> No.3793816

>>3793778
>dancing with shoes on, on the felt cloth
>people clap for this

>> No.3793817

>>3793816
I wonder what kind of character you would be in that saloon.

>> No.3793823

Post 1 (ONE) western artist with similar subject but greater skill and better execution.

>> No.3793861

>>3793811
>their faces are always awful.
Pleb.

>> No.3793865

>>3793778
>Guys and the woman in the background have good faces. Girls on the table have horrible anime symbol faces

Y?

>> No.3793871

>>3793778
God I fucking hate moe blob faces
They have absolutely no character to them

What makes this piece worse is that there is a regular-looking woman in the background and the men all look normal too

>> No.3793874

>>3793823
Milo Manara, Jean Giraud

>> No.3793876

>>3793778
>>3793782
Murrica is not all of the western civilization.

>> No.3793880

>>3793823
> western artist
> with similar subject
> the subject is literally western themed

Good joke. Have an upvote.

>> No.3793881

>>3793778
loli masterrace, i never regret become one of them!

>> No.3793887

>>3793778
The difference in their faces makes it look so uncanny

>> No.3793889

>>3793871
Yeah, I feel the same. But if the kid's face were drawn in an realistic way, the whole point of this drawing would disappear. It would be just a boring piece.

>> No.3793890

>>3793889
They could have made the faces somewhere in-between, tho

>> No.3793891
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ITT

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>>3793887
>>3793871
>>3793865
That makes it interesting.

I see aliens trying to pass themselves off as humans with eerily bad disguises, and imitating mating rituals to seduce the males. The actual human female in the background, less affected by whatever trick (pheromones ? hypnose, psychoactive gasses ?) the aliens use to supplement the disguises (and which explains why the males tolerate girls dancing on their playing table), percieves that something is wrong there but doesn't quite get it.

The invasion of the moeblobs.

>> No.3793898
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3793898

>beautiful girls = no personality
The state of America.

>> No.3793902
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3793902

dark age indeed

>> No.3793903

>>3793897
he always does it though, see >>3793893
are we to believe it's an invasion in every picture he draws?

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3793904

>>3793874

>> No.3793905

>>3793898
P-PEDOPHILE!!

>> No.3793907

>>3793898
>straw man
Nobody said beautiful = boring
A face no nuance or defining characteristics is boring
The shapes of those faces are IDENTICAL. The only thing separating those two is the hair.
Boring

>> No.3793909

>>3793907
>hate beauty of boredom
cringe

>> No.3793910

>>3793898
>Not being able to draw beautiful realistic faces
I'd tell you to look at some real women / children in the flesh but they probably instinctually leave the room before you get a good look on their faces

>> No.3793912

>>3793909
There is no beauty in boredom
Tranquility =/= boredom

>> No.3793914
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>>3793907
>balh blah blah
>cute girls have identical face shapes??? no way
>boring
Keep seething roastie. No one likes your double chin and hexagonal face

>> No.3793920
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3793920

>>3793914
nice argument, dumbass
Cute girls don't all have to look identical

>> No.3793921

>>3793902
B I G N O S E

>> No.3793923

>>3793903
I would like to think so.

>> No.3793924
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>>3793910
>Not being able to draw beautiful realistic faces
OOF. Seems like you just have a little sand in your vagina

>> No.3793925
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3793925

>>3793920
>Cute girls don't all have to look identical
Pic unrelated? Since they all looks same but with different hair.

>> No.3793928

>>3793904
SOUL
>>3793778
SOULLESS

>> No.3793930
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3793930

>>3793928
So this is how real women with fun face shape looks like!
Triple yikes!

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>>3793925
Why it's almost as if I'm staring at the exact same character!

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3793935

>>3793898
I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DRAW LIKE THIS FROM IMAGINATION WHY WHY WHY

>> No.3793942

>>3793933
How about post actual scenes from anime you landwhale? Or should I post Paranoia Agent too?

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>> No.3793949

>>3793944
qt

>> No.3793951

>>3793935
Really? You think he didn't use reference? 555-CMON-NOW

>> No.3793957
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3793957

>>3793951
Yes my dude. It's hard to swallow I know. But even Rapoza is against heavy references and photobash.

>> No.3793958

>>3793957
you can't draw without references

>> No.3793961

>>3793958
>HE ACTUALLY THINKS THIS
L M A O
M
A
O

>> No.3793974

>>3793958
/beg/ thread is over there anon

>> No.3793987

>>3793958
lol yes you can

>> No.3793989

>>3793958
you won't be able to do hyperrealisim without a ref but most other things you can once you gain the skill.

>> No.3793992

>>3793989
How do you even gain the skill? With reference of course. So you can't draw without reference.
Besides, if you are not taking advantage of reference after gaining a lot of skill, you are simply limiting yourself.

>> No.3794005

>>3793992
reference is something you can compare to that is an outside source, your brain isn't an outside source anon.

>> No.3794009

>>3793935
why?, thats just basic anatomy and simple ballet poses

>> No.3794011

>>3793935
that's very attainable skill tho

>> No.3794013

>>3794009
>>3794011
Post your anime girls lifting their skirts and dancing on tables

>> No.3794566

>>3793782
>>3793778
is this where Vofan gets his art inspiration?

>> No.3796615

>>3794566
maybe

>> No.3796650
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3796650

>>3793778
I fixed your deformed chink faces for you sempai!
Took me about 2000 hours is photoshop
Gong back to /beg/ now cause I still need to learn how to paint deformed loli faces.

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>>3793958

>> No.3796915

>>3796650
>even changed the lighting

damn nice anon

>> No.3796974

>>3793778
By avoiding the same fetal alcohol syndromeface, of course.

>> No.3796989

>>3793904
source?

>> No.3796990

>>3796650
Typical "western anime".

>> No.3796997
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3796997

>>3796990
That's why 95% western artists can't draw anime.

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>>3796997

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3797139

>>3796615
I think their stuff looks extremely similar.

>> No.3797144

>>3793778
ROFL

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3797170

>>3796997
I thought I've seen that face before.

>> No.3797181
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step aside white bois...

>> No.3797185

>>3793778

really boring. looks like he looks at manga and similar digital paintings all the time, and never stops to consider real life. no personal character, no message. essentially just polishing manga imitations.

>>3793958

a synonym for "i have no imagination and want to be an art parrot." a creative can come up with new things, not just repeat things they saw once.

Digital art that looks like a collage of old photo references the artist copied once looks just awful, wasteful years of rote learning. Unless you're exclusively a portrait artist or something similar you should learn to picture the human organism and depict it with your work.

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>>3793912
This. I’m don’t know why people are arguing against this. Boring same-ness is not beauty.

I think the main issue these boring sameface artists suffer from is either focusing on the face too much or too little, meaning that they’ve spent so much time on the face that they lose meaning in the overall piece (ie overpainting) or they neglect the face and focus on everything else in a non-meaningful way.

I’m probably just pulling it out of my ass idk but I feel nothing while looking at these paintings. It’s just plain drab.

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3797371

>>3797190
More of the fact that youthful faces and bodies are almost identical regardless. Hence, the "same face" syndrome, yet the irony is that type of symmetry is attractive.

>> No.3798278

>>3793910
you have to be retarded to think someone with this anatomy knowledge would not be able to draw faces

>> No.3798294

>>3793898
>if it make pee pee hard it has personality
ok child p0rn0graphy enthusiast

>> No.3798297

>>3793778
Ew, this is so strange.
>potato faces on animes
>bad lighting
>blank expressions everywhere
>stiff poses
>animes are in anime style
>everything else is Leyendecker style???

What the fuck is this shit its like someone made a room full of dead body marionettes like in that episode of criminal minds

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3798377

>>3797190
>Boring same-ness is not beauty.
>overpainting
>ugly is beauty = good fun
>beauty is ugly = bad boring
The state of the western incels.

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3798396

>>3793904
i like when comic/manga do this kind of stuff. Just showing whats happening without any dialogs

>> No.3798414

>>3793893
Bottom left is cross eyed

>> No.3798415

>>3796989
Milo Manara, "El Gaucho".

>> No.3798416

>generic anime

>> No.3798553

>generic
>broken anatomy
This artist is garbage. Typical anime """"""""""""""""painter""""""""""""".

>> No.3798575

Why the fuck are their faces bioluminiscent

>> No.3798602

>>3798297
this.

>> No.3798608

>>3793778
What a shame. If he dropped the animu garbage he would be so good. His other faces show a lot of potential.

>> No.3798906

>>3793944
Okay I like this artist now.

>> No.3798927

>>3796997
Left looks a whole lot better

The right just looks fucking stupid.

>> No.3798928

>>3793778
>that floating eye on the left girl
yikes

>> No.3799008

I could catch a shark to use as a bong with this amount of bait.

Those faces are like using you piss to add colour to the eyes in your latest portrait.

>> No.3799015

>>3798927
left was done by Anon at >>3796650 or it cold be that left was the original one and it was OP the whole time who shopped it to look like shit just to bait everyone.

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>>3797371
It’s more than just anatomical identity. It’s about how these characters express themselves. They’re all just the same little sex robots with the same blank wide-set stares into nothingness. What’s different between a man looking at a faceless loli puppet and Illumination’s films? It’s equally meaningless, bottom-of-the-barrel satisfaction. I can appreciate an artist that proritizes meaningful beauty over prettiness or surface-level emotions like “Aww...that’s cute” and “Awww...I wish I could fuck that.”

>> No.3799037
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>>3799029
I mean, compare pic related with OP’s pic. There’s so much more soul in it, where in op’s, you can barely detect motion. The characters are super stiff and just fucking lame.

>> No.3799048

Threads like this really remind me why i hate people.

>> No.3799049

>>3799037
That's because it's literally a fucking sketch animation you moron.

>> No.3799055

>>3799037
>comparing sketchy animation to a still painting
ngmi

>> No.3799059

>>3799029
Redline was fucking awesome and definitely had soul

>> No.3799062

>>3799037
Nah, this lacks vivid colors. OP's pic is much more colorful and has more soul.

>> No.3799068

>>3799059
Because it was fully hand animated and took over 100'000 handmade fully colored drawings to make and SEVEN FUCKING YEARS OF PRODUCTION after multiple and multiple delays. You can't even comprehend how much that is you shitty ngmi newfag.

>> No.3799069

>>3799068
Yeah, it’s only second to the first Pokémon series I love it that much

>> No.3799072

>>3799015
>or it cold be that left was the original one and it was OP the whole time who shopped it to look like shit just to bait everyone.
This is most likely the case.

>> No.3799087

>>3799072
>>3799015
No it not. The OP pic is staright from Ra-Lilium's art station it was not shopped by the OP.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lVrmR5

>> No.3799088

>>3799087
then that's pretty embarrassing

>> No.3799091

>>3799087
Awww and I had such a good conspiracy theory going...

>> No.3799105

>>3799087

>openly pedo on artstation

based

>> No.3799106

>>3799105
In east Asia, pedo is not considered so negative. It's just a taste.

>> No.3799126

>>3799029
>>3799037
I just assume it's a generational thing. The majority favor more neoteny and 'cute' features, which is understandable why they will think pre-3D Disney cartoons, Loony Tunes, and other similar styles are seen as disgusting, dated, or creepy. Plus increased anime and manga influences in mainstream media have changed the standard to what is considered cute.

>> No.3799439

>>3799087
Is he a pro artist or does he only do art on the side?

>> No.3799465

>>3793891

It's no fun without sound

>> No.3799564

>>3799059
I know, that’s why I used it! ^^ It’s one of my favorite films.

>>3799049
>>3799055
You shouldn’t automatically assume people are stupider than you. Obviously the animation is more lively because literally has fucking movement. But take a still frame of any moment in that animation, and there you find more life in the pose than in op’s pic. There’s more love in it, genuine love, rather than just a robotic process of drawing a girl dancing or being happy. The artist in the animation dug deeper into the movement. I could have worded it better, but that is what I was trying to say.

>>3799062
Personally, the colors are not only not very interesting, but they’re downright ugly, so they just make it all the more empty.

>> No.3799579

>>3799126
That is true! Certain characters just don’t invoke that same “that’s cute!” response even if they follow the supposed rules of cuteness. It’s just a personal preference, but I don’t think the reptile-level response to cuteness is meaningful nor is cute the same as beautiful.

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3799964

>>3799037
>pencil test animation
>that can be heavy referenced and rotoscoped
>vs illustration
Based retarded phoneposter.

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>>3799964
>take a still frame of any moment in that animation, and there you find more life in the pose than in this pic

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3799973

>>3799105
spirit of Old Masters

>> No.3799974

>>3793902
I mean I dont think that all characters need to be attractive in media, real life isnt like that. But that being said, that nose has to be shopped right?

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>>3799973

>> No.3800165

>>3796997
Left looks a million times better. Why would your nose be between your eyes?

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3800169

>questioning the superiority of Western art.

Is that you, Kurt Eichenwald? You filthy degenerate.

>> No.3800182

>>3800169
Ahaha what superiority pigskin
Dont talk about drawings from 100+ years ago to prove your fact, go back drawing round eyes and bean mouth

>> No.3800193

>>3800182
I don't understand the second half of what you said. Are you telling me to stick to drawing anime? I don't draw anime. Anime isn't Western. Do you think I can't just upload other pictures I didn't draw by great western artists which are recent? I don't even understand what you are trying to say. You gotta work on that English, buddy.

>> No.3800247

>>3798297
post your work. Oh wait, you won't you'll either stay dead silent or hide behind you smug ironic merc_wip meme unable to publicly acknowledge how utterly worthless you are as a piece of trash shouting out against your betters

>> No.3800250

>>3799106
In the East, "too young" is just a nickname

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>>3800193

this is what they mean. are you dense?

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>>3800247

>> No.3800377

>>3799971
Well considering it was likely traced :P

>> No.3800449

>>3793958
t. dumbass.

>> No.3800461

WESTERN ART IS SHIT

>> No.3801004

>>3793944
Is she topless? That seems like highly inappropriate clothing for anything, really.

>> No.3802028

>>3800169
Whats even more amazing about this painting other than its artistic value is that it was made around 1910. Which predates the plastic trash bag by 40 years. Man must have been a visionary.

>> No.3802033

>>3801004
Fucking great hey

>> No.3802036

>>3800461
Then why are you here

>> No.3804370

>>3793778
>how can western artists even compete
>97% of the OP is literally undistinguishable from any western piece
>the remaining 3% consists of some totally not ham-fisted anime sticker-like faces
really gets your noggin runnin'

>> No.3804372

>>3804370
It should considering humans are only 2% difference away from being pigs.