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ive seen a couple professional artists say that tracing can in fact be used as a learning method. if i had to guess its so that you can experience drawing the correct shape but maybe theres more to it that im not considering. what do you guys this tracing can provide as a learning method?

>> No.3793238

>>3793233
line quality, muscle memory, millage and habit

>> No.3793241

>>3793233
Copying things is a good way to actually pay attention to them in detail. It helps you to keep focused.

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>>3793238
thanks for the laughs anon

>> No.3793247

>>3793233
The key is to actually use it to analyze and try to understand the subject instead of just blindly following lines like a retard.

>> No.3793263

>>3793247
This. Tracing the forms on top of a complex structure (like a hand) helps you to learn how to construct it from memory later on.

>> No.3793269

i need more pics of animes getting BTFO

>> No.3793277

>>3793269
just go to the shibuya rin thread

>> No.3793285

>>3793241
>>3793247
>>3793263
so you guys think tracing has helped you learn to draw certain things more accurately?

>> No.3793287

>>3793285
sure, but unless you trace with the intention of learning how it was constructed, you will only learn how to draw what you traced.

>> No.3793290

>>3793285
Yes, but I would only ever trace photos, not drawings. It defeats the purpose to learn some other artist's mistakes.

>> No.3793376

>>3793290
You actually learn a lot from tracing master works or even stylized drawings. It helps you to see what their mindset was, like how they combined simple shapes to create something more complex, how they go about drawing their lines to even techniques they used. You are missing out big time by only studying photographs.

>It defeats the purpose to learn some other artist's mistakes.
Then don't study amateurs, study artist's who know what they are doing.

>> No.3793421

what's the sauce on OP's pic, that art gives me a boner

>> No.3793432

Sometimes I think you guys just don’t want to even think about a subject.

>> No.3793456
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being able to trace an image accurately is a valuable skill, and worth practicing, but maybe not in the way you're thinking.
inking your own sketches requires you to be able to trace without distorting the original intent.
if you clean up your sketch without putting any mind into where you put your lines, the result will end up looking wonky.

but, tracing a photograph in order to learn anatomy is pointless. you'll learn more by copying side by side.

>> No.3793591

>>3793233
Hot af ngl

>> No.3793602

>>3793233
One good method is to print up a good masterpiece or havw it in a book and take tracing paper and go over it trying to get into the headspace of how you would construct it to get the same result

>> No.3793629

>>3793233
Tracing forces you to pay close attention to construction, shapes, line density and stuff like that. It's obviously not the best exercise, but it can be useful.

Two very important alternatives is drawing side by side to try and replicate someone's work, and taking someone's pose/angle and then changing it. A very neat challenge to do is taking a picture, and drawing it from a different angle.

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>>3793233
https://youtu.be/dlvGzDiiYUg

>> No.3793638

>>3793629
>Tracing forces you to pay close attention
it's the opposite really

>> No.3793692

>>3793638
yeah, if you shut off your brain it must be for you

>> No.3794285

>>3793638
Stop misinforming people. You have any idea how many years I wasted because I believed this stupid meme. When I began to actually trace things it finally started to click for me, I was able to really see how artists drew and was able to get into their mindspace. Yeah tracing is bad if you're tracing other peoples work for money and credit, but it is absolutely one of the best ways to study something.

>> No.3794308

>>3794285
good for you i guess. any artist worth half a cent should be able to copy something effortlessly just by observation though.

>> No.3794313

>tfw no chokeable teeth-having animu gf

>> No.3794324

>>3793269
then go to gelbooru or something you fag.

>> No.3794332

>>3794308
>good for you i guess. any artist worth half a cent should be able to copy something effortlessly just by observation though.

You don't get it, It's not about copying, anyone with a brain can copy, it's about studying and learning. For example, lets say I like how an artist draws their hands, I get some of that artist's works and trace the hands they drew to get a good idea of how they go about drawing hands, I do this with other artist too. Now that I've studied different ways to construct and draw hands through tracing, with this knowledge I rely less on references when drawing my own stuff because I am able to solve problem using the things I've learned from tracing other artist works.

>> No.3794338

>>3794332
>anyone with a brain can copy
anyone without a brain can trace

>> No.3794370

>>3794338
Still missing the point, have fun being stuck in /beg/

>> No.3794395

>>3794370
says the dude who traces

>> No.3794443

>>3793277
Designated ryona thread

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this is what tracers look like

>> No.3794512

>>3793233
>tfw this will never happen to me

>> No.3794540

>>3794285
Early in his career Vilppu got sent home early because he couldn't draw women pretty, he went on to say he spent a bit of time trying to figure out what made a woman beautiful before he could come back to work.

>> No.3794691

>>3793233

nigger does experiencing drawing the correct shape not sound good enough already? what more do you want? that is literally what drawing is

>> No.3794916

>>3793233
First things first, only trace from real life figures. You can trace them to learn the placement of bones and muscles, practice gesture, etc.

>> No.3795483

>>3794916
This
I think there's always some confusion on what exactly people mean by tracing. If you're tracing and using that traces for your final work, yeah that's not helpful. But if you trace just to get a better idea of the shapes you need to be going for and use it as a reference, that's fine, though eventually you should use it as a stepping stone to start just being able to see the forms in a reference pic without tracing over the contours.

>> No.3795595

>>3793233
trace so you have a frame of the bare bones, then do a copy, compare both to the original

>> No.3795646

>>3793233
I wish to choke a girl like that someday

>> No.3795678

>>3793233
As a guy that trace stuff, after tracing and tracing and tracing, I can honestly tell you can become really really good,
at tracing stuff
Don't actually know how anyone can extrapolate different

>> No.3795683

>>3793233
for learning ? yes in NMA they traced old master painting to show you the shape
but for exercising drawing from reference is better

>> No.3795690

Tracing whatever thing you want to depict in your art (be it realism or anime girls) is a good practice tool. I think it's best used together with real life studies and original, non-referenced drawings. In other words, a brand new artist spamming traced images probably wouldn't get much out of it other than better eye-hand coordination. That's why it's good to do original drawings and normal referenced stuff to have a context for your tracing exercises.

>> No.3796402

>>3794308
A photo of a still life or some croquis cafe shit, sure, but how about a drawing by one of the old masters, can you really draw it effortlessly by observation alone so that it speaks the truth to the viewer?

Vilppu himself learned to draw by tracing over artists he admired, saying it helped him to re-live what the artist was thinking in his drawing process

>> No.3796429

>>3794447
I wanna be Tracer

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>> No.3797413

When you do it like this, I guess

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9mUEu_NKSA4

Not so much copying line for line as using the basic outlines to tell you where to draw the head/eyes/etc and/or copying the basic form and adding your own details to see what happens