wtf i just realized "just draw" is not a meme

[Anonymous No.3792444]

I just figured something out all art instructions, tutorials and classes are bullshit that also includes loomis. you can draw in any style or replicate anything if you put your mind to it and just draw.

don't waste your time reading stupid instructions on how to draw just do it non stop until you get your art to look exactly like you want it to.

[Anonymous No.3792447]

wow wtf??

[Anonymous No.3792448]

Unless you are doing abstract, there’s some pretty basic stuff every picture needs to have for our brains to process it as a 3D space with 3D forms. Good luck with your realisation though.

[Anonymous No.3792451]

>>3792448
you can learn 3d space just by drawing 3d objects constantly eventually you will pick up on it the more you draw naturally. sure you can learn 3d space from a book but you can also just keep drawing and naturally figure it out 3d forms the more you draw. again "just draw" is still a big realization

[Anonymous No.3792456]

>>3792451
I think you’ve just absorbed the fundies lessons and are entering the grind. Medieval artists 100% suffered from lack of perspective knowledge.

[Anonymous No.3792459]

>>3792456
they didn't draw from life enough

litrally /ic/ praises kim jung gi to high heaven and in all his interviews he says all he does is just draw and doesn't stop, and that he draws more than people think he draws. he said he has read a few books but mainly he just draws. i doubt he has read more books about drawing than i have fingers.

[Anonymous No.3792465]

>>3792444
>realize X is a thing
>realize X thing is actually a meme
>realize X meme is actually not a meme
^^^ Congratulation, you are here ^^^
>realize X is both a real thing and a meme, and that something being a meme does not make it not real

[Anonymous No.3792469]

>>3792465
thank you for helping get to
>realize X is both a real thing and a meme, and that something being a meme does not make it not real

for making this post

[Anonymous No.3792489]

good, now you can laugh at those who don't just draw

[Anonymous No.3792492]

Honestly I've started to thing that it might just be easier to not think or study too hard and just brute force fundies through heaps of mileage and let your subconscious do its work.

[Anonymous No.3792501]

>>3792492
you should do this, books and stuff is just bullshit to try and sell you stuff, and all your art turns out stiff and bad when you listen to these people trying to give you formulas on how to draw something or do something in a very specific way

[Anonymous No.3792504]

>>3792501
adding onto this that's why most western anime art looks bad there is no soul to it through repeated practice of looking at and replicating anime just formulas and methods to draw stuff perfectly making it look off

[Anonymous No.3792505]

>>3792451
>sure you can learn 3d space from a book
>you can also just keep drawing and naturally figure it out
no shit sherlock, you could also read a cookbook or just keep throwing ingredients together until you get the dish you want, guess which method is more efficient?

[Anonymous No.3792510]

>>3792505
the latter because the former doesn't allow you to discover new dishes that have never been invented and that you can sell and build a business on

[Anonymous No.3792511]

>>3792492
if you are spending all your time tracing you are not going to get better at drawing, so indeed, there is such as thing as bad practice, which also implies the existence of a good practice. And that's why so many newbs ask all the time what to practice to get better at drawing

think is, tracing it's actually a good way of practicing line work, but drawing it's not all about line work.

A good practice is the practice which includes all the "bad" practices.

the amateurs are always asking what is the 1, ONE, numero uno, thing they can practice to get good at drawing, but such a thing does not exist. A pro artist might do 1 thing all the time when he is practicing, but that's because he already did the other things when he was younger, and by constantly drawing he does not need to revisit them.

But an amateur doing that 1 thing all the time like the pro won't make him a pro. Also a pro might not have done all the thing another pro did and viceversa, so it's not like 2 such ppl can meet and make a list of all the things they did to get where they are.

So my advice its, trace, do master studies, do life drawing in cafes, do gesture drawing, copy refs, copy refs after you looked at them for 5 min then put them away, draw from memory, look at objects, draw them from memory again after you've seen them again and noticed what you forgot and did not notice the first time. Rinse and repeat until you find the ONE thing YOU need to keep doing to get good.

But if you ask what is the ONE thing all pro have in commune, it's that they look at stuff. Some look at movies, some look in the mirror, some look around them, some look at pics, some look at works of others. Michelangelo said that the one thing you have to trust is your own experience, and not what can be described with words. So grab that pencil and get some experience.

[Anonymous No.3792521]

>>3792511
op here this what I was trying to get across what I discovered today that blew my mind but word way much better than I could ever. thank you anon I salute you.


you just got to look and keep drawing making mistakes and learning till your golden no matter how long it takes no book or advice or tutorial will ever teach you what you learn from trial and error and just doing

[Anonymous No.3792535]

I am >>3792511
see what I mean >>3792505>>3792510
we are always looking for the one thing to make us better, when in reality you have to both read cookbooks to learn on the experience of others, and sometimes just to trow ingredients at each other

it's good to read and study the work of others artists, to see how they did it, but it's also important to do your own drawings of nature for the same reasons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNeZDRuqWs
ilie (?) talked about this in this video. He mentioned the "perfect" practice which all the amateurs are looking for, and about what he calls variable practice. And I too stand behind those words. It's not only about how much you drew, but also how many things you went thru while those years of practice.

Again, Michelangelo talks about the importance of studying other artists, while at the same time ridiculing the artists which study ONLY the works of others and not study nature herself.

[Anonymous No.3792538]

It's a mix of both. Healthiest to do is draw what you want while being curious, observant and self critical, and also open to focused studies for the sake of grasping defined issues that you've been wrestling with enough to put in a context.

I really mean that last part and I speak from experience. You can open all these famous tomes on l33t drawing tech but if you don't know what you're looking for you won't even realize what the author is trying to tell you. In the same way, once you've drawn a thousand anime girls and become completely tired of how their legs look like tubes or how the eyes never align correctly you'll have an ocean of motivation and experience/context to plow through any construction book or study of a favorite artist.

[Anonymous No.3792549]

>>3792535
>>3792538
thanks for the based and totally redpilled as fuck advice anon I have saved it for later looking at when this thread gets archived.

you are an art saint

[idk No.3792561]

>>3792549
Is this the blind leading the blind thread?

[Anonymous No.3792569]

>>3792561
>says this but gives zero advice

[Anonymous No.3792577]

I discovered i was okay at drawing monster girls with big asses and tits one day when I just sat down and blurted out a drawing in like ten minutes.
Then I realised I was looking at a shit tonne of monster girl porn and my brain was subconsciously drawing from the images Id absorbed to make my own.
I take that approach with pretty much anything I want to draw.
Its weird to describe but you don't have to actively think so much about it, your brain just stitches together what it should look like.
Not saying anatomy doesnt help though, because I definitely drew influence from that when I was making commissions.

[Anonymous No.3792580]

>>3792549
I'm >>3792538 and here's what my journey has been so far with that philosophy. I could've been smarter about many things in hindsight but I've seen improvement while having so much fun along the way. Hope somebody finds it hilarious because I'm cold sweating and feel like puking

[Anonymous No.3792591]

>>3792580
are you sick???

[Anonymous No.3792610]

>>3792580
op here
yo anon I think I know you, not on a personal level but I remember liking that drawing of the red haired girl on the right in a thread I think a year ago, I think I asked you for a blog but I forgot what your name was. your art improvement is mazing I like how you have really grown into your style.

[Anonymous No.3792615]

>>3792549
>thanks for the based and totally redpilled as fuck advice anon

[Anonymous No.3792619]

>>3792444

[Anonymous No.3792622]

>>3792615
hello newfag

[Anonymous No.3792626]

>>3792610
>anime
>own style

ok.

[Anonymous No.3792632]

>>3792622
ive been on this site for 4 years but nice try incel

[Anonymous No.3792639]

>>3792632
>4 years
you're luke warm at best come back when you are 6 years +

[Anonymous No.3792663]

>>3792610
I'm fuuka2rin. Thanks man.

While my art isn't quite as retardedly embarrassing as it used to be, it's still obviously too lame for me to act like some kind of authority. I just wanted to cheer on any despairing /alt/ /beg/. I know I needed it 2 years ago

[Anonymous No.3792666]

>>3792444
>just draw is not a meme
no shit really?
> All instructions are bullshit
Hold on there sonny don't go from one extreme to the other. the fact that practice makes 99.9 of the work doesn't mean that learning resources aren't important. They teach you the basics of art and discuss approaches you can take. Considering humans took thousands of years to stop drawing symbols and grasp 3d some instructional help is a good idea.
Just because your knowledge and skill eventually depend on you doesn't devalue the important of schooling.
>draw non stop till you get there
Listen I get that you just got enlightened and it feels real good, been there before, but "draw non stop till your'e art looks like you want" is not a good advice. You need to make conscious changes to your art to improve, and constantly look and analyze awhat you are doing, that includes a lot of drawing, but scribbling foreve doesn't equal slowly getting better.
>using deku
You must have a real taste in irony including the only character who wants to get /fit/ but doesn't work out till he gets help.

[Anonymous No.3793226]

>>3792492
Mileage is important. Working smart is also good for you than doing mindless studies

[Anonymous No.3793557]

>>3792580
You got a blog?

[Anonymous No.3793704]

I am an absolute beginner and completely lost on what to do. I'm doing some drawabox to learn how to control my arm and be steady, but as far as actually drawing stuff I've only tried to copy some hands. I have downloaded Loomis and Vilppu, but I seem to be too dumb to even do the starting exercises. What do I do?

[Anonymous No.3793770]

>>3793704
Just draw.

[Anonymous No.3793954]

>>3793704
find someone who u look up to and figure out how to surpass them

[Anonymous No.3794203]

>>3793557
fuuka2rin om twitter

[Anonymous No.3794721]

>>3792444
i also often just figure things out to give myself a chemical high and pretend like i'm making progress when i'm actually going backwards by using every fiber of my being to rationalize procrastination and laziness

[Anonymous No.3794731]

>>3793704
torrent watts from peers and go through the entire coursework, I'm sure peers is still open atm you can only register on the 1st and 15th of every month for 48 hours. I'm /beg/ like you can and after using the beginner books recommended on here I didn't learn shit, loomis was a ton of crap too but watts really helped me learn the fundamentals to drawing.

[Anonymous No.3794770]

Just draw isn't just a meme!?

[Anonymous No.3794973]

Just draw is one of the most retarded thing i discovered here.

[Anonymous No.3796225]

>>3793704
Dont use drawabox. It doesnt matter how steady your hand is or how many circles you can draw. It might be a problem now, but it won't be later.

[Anonymous No.3796540]

>>3796225
have you ever even looked at drawabox beyond a cursory glance or are you just regurgitating what you've heard people describe it to be? because you don't seem to know what it is.

[Anonymous No.3796568]

REDPILL: its all mostly traced

[Anonymous No.3796835]

>>3792504
>>3792501
redpilled

[Anonymous No.3796843]

>>3792639
>4 years
>you're luke warm at best come back when you are 6 years +

oh god you faggots are so new

try 11+

[Anonymous No.3796850]

>>3792549
This was a wholesome reply, I think the same thing it motivated me. I won't feel bad anymore due to ignoring books, I'll just get a shitton of mileage like a savage running through the jungle having fun and getting stronger

[Anonymous No.3796899]

>>3796843
granda go to bed

[Anonymous No.3796936]

>>3792444
Just don´t forget OP, you should always learn from the masters before it by looking at what made them different and why their style worked in their period.
They probably did not live long enough to see that either since their masters also gave instructions.

I am not telling you to look at instructions, but I do tell you to look around you and observe things with a critical eye.

God speed, OP

[Anonymous No.3796968]

>>3796843
>11 years rofl this dude is clearly bullshitti-
>wait 11 years ago was only 2008
>i've actually been shitposting on this godforsaken Filipino rice-farming Usenet newsgroup for over a fucking decade

i wonder how the real oldfags are feeling right now. I wasn't even around for pool's closed

[Anonymous No.3796975]

>>3796540
I drew a lot of boxes and then got sick of it. Shit program

[Anonymous No.3796976]

>>3796968
its been a while since then anon. give it time

[Anonymous No.3796977]

>>3796968
Yeah. I'm here from eternal newfag summer 2007 and all these 2010s people measuring dicks just makes me feel empty inside.

[Anonymous No.3796988]

>>3796968
lol

[Anonymous No.3797010]

>>3792459
>that he draws more than people think he draws
This scares me because I've always imagined him doing nothing BUT drawing. How is it even possible for him to draw more than I think he does.

[Anonymous No.3797020]

>>3797010
He probably eats drawings for breakfast, brushes his teeth with drawings, takes a shower with some drawings and goes to sleep in some drawings.

[Anonymous No.3797021]

>>3797020
how can we even compete

[Anonymous No.3797090]

>>3792444
>he doesn't draw while learning instructions

it seems like people are getting dumber. Learn how to learn/memorize/study and you'll excel.

[Anonymous No.3797091]

>>3797010
how does he not get carpel tunnel

[Anonymous No.3797094]

>>3797091
how much pressure do you think he's putting on a fucking brush pen or regular pen?

[Anonymous No.3797097]

>>3792444
Just draw is supposed to let you get comfortable with drawing and improve your physical skill. Once you actually enjoy drawing, you should look to expand your skill with knowledge and actual practice of that knowledge. And with your developed skill, learning that knowledge should become more natural and easy to understand

[Anonymous No.3799435]

>>3792444
This also applies as I've found out to meditation, "just sit", you cannot improve from constantly reading and researching but not doing.

[Anonymous No.3799436]

>>3799435
Is this true? Is there an explanation for why?

[Anonymous No.3799447]

>>3792561
>tripfag

[Anonymous No.3799450]

...wait a minute. i have legs.. what if i draw with my feet?

[Anonymous No.3799455]

who would have thought that drawing would help with drawing

[Anonymous No.3799461]

>>3799436
How do you gain any hands-on experience without doing the thing?

[Anonymous No.3799982]

>>3794721
>out to give myself a chemical high
Simple solution is just to draw while listening to your favorite music then https://www.psypost.org/2019/02/listening-to-the-music-you-love-will-make-your-brain-release-more-dopamine-study-finds-53059

[Anonymous No.3800010]

>>3799450
Your power level will rise so fast you will ascend to godhood

[Anonymous No.3800015]

>>3799982
>dopamine addicts
Literally the worst. How to recover throughly and without massive withdrawal?

[Anonymous No.3800028]

Been drawing atleast one thing every day for the past Week & a half... I just wanna be not bad so badly

[Anonymous No.3800036]

>>3792444
There's some truth to this. Tutorials aren't bullshit or worthless, but real improvement only really comes with genuine practice working on the work you're interested in. That said, foundational skill is also important. If artists you like use technical three-point perspective, than you should learn how to use three point perspective convincingly. Same goes for other objective qualities like anatomy, proportion, etc. There's some things you simply can't cheat by copying artists you like, especially if they are trained themselves. But of course, that's just one approach to art, and there's infinite possibilities to design and abstraction when it comes to it. Some artists you can just copy and get the gist of what they're doing, especially in more cartoony styles that deviate from realism. But really, it's your life and your art. You make what makes you feel good and personally fascinates you. And if you do put your work out there, and you are genuinely passionate about it, you'll eventually find an audience that will appreciate, value, and understand your art, no matter how small they are. Or maybe you're a Van Gogh and you die without anybody ever giving you the appreciation you deserve; the point is, you make your art because you love it and want it to exist. Any other reason will result in mediocrity and/or shallowness.

[Anonymous No.3800142]

>>3792666
>this entire post

NGMI

[Anonymous No.3800154]

>>3792444
>you can draw in any style or replicate anything if you put your mind to it and just draw.
This is actually extremely underrated advice. The people who developed the techniques that we now take for granted (perspective, anatomy, etc.), how do you think they came up with that? The human mind is a powerful tool that can overcome any obstacle. You have to use it.

If you are the kind of person who struggles to study or absorb what you’re taught, then the best thing you can do is get in front of a paper and try to draw on your own. Drawing is an exercise in problem solving. Solve the problem of how to get the image in your mind onto the paper.

[Anonymous No.3800783]

>>3800154
Basically.

[Anonymous No.3800831]

>>3800154
op here
this

anon gets it

[Anonymous No.3800888]

>>3800154
>Drawing is an exercise in problem solving. Solve the problem of how to get the image in your mind onto the paper.

Duuude

[Anonymous No.3800920]

>>3800888
nice trips

[Anonymous No.3800991]

Is this what it's like to see a baby gain sentience?

[Anonymous No.3801082]

>>3800888
>he hasn’t realized yet
The mind is a foggy abstract piece of shit. It doesn’t have a clear image and this is why this method doesn’t work.

[Anonymous No.3801696]

>>3801082
But it does

[Anonymous No.3802506]

>>3801082
Imagine being this guy with no clear image in his head lol how do you even draw if you don't have an image of what to draw haha do you just start scribbling and hope it looks like a shape, like how you can see animals or faces in clouds hahahahaha