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[Anonymous No.3759795]

Why avoid scratchy lines?
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[Anonymous No.3759799]

>>3759795
>new layer
>go over your scratchy shit with something smooth.

[Anonymous No.3759800]

>>3759795
because it looks like shit
next question please

[Anonymous No.3759801]

>>3759795
It looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.3759803]

>>3759800
>>3759801
Does it matter on the sketching phase?

[Anonymous No.3759809]

>>3759803
Yes, it really does, makes forms blurry harder to define, and you can't do textures very well with that... And it's harder to get proportions right.
Everyone should try sketching with meaningful lines. Try doing it with a pen or something you can't erase. Draw with confidence.

[Anonymous No.3759879]

>>3759803
On the sketching phase? Sure do whatever you want. Half the time I just draw a bunch of random dots and go from there.
But it's never a "good" thing to do.

[Anonymous No.3759894]

>>3759795
It helps create and keep confident lines, which not also makes your sketches easier to understand, but also faster to complete.

I learned this during my grind on last year's inktober. It felt like I learned a new superpower.

[Anonymous No.3759895]

>>3759809
What about when you make a mistake though

[Anonymous No.3759899]

>>3759895
Thats why you think about what you stroke. Not just mindlessly scratching

[Anonymous No.3759903]

>>3759895
Restate the line then. One wrong line and one correct line is much better than a bunch of small incorrect lines.

[Anonymous No.3759906]

>>3759899
I think about things a lot but still make mistakes. Maybe I just can't think well enough to avoid them.
>>3759903
Okay.

[Anonymous No.3759927]

>>3759906
It doesn't come right away, it's hard to get things right. Takes a lot of practice anon. Have fun improving.

[Anonymous No.3759968]

>>3759795
her ass and hips look like a fucking scrotum

[Anonymous No.3760482]

>>3759799
Real talk, how do I do this without it looking fucking awful? I need lineart tutorials

[Anonymous No.3760486]

>>3760482
Download CSP
Line on a vector layer with a decently stabilized thin pen
Make a new layer and draw weights on your lines on a raster layer

[Anonymous No.3760488]

>>3759895
You work like this so that you can get to the point where you don't make mistakes. It's though at first but it's so much better for you in the long run.

[Anonymous No.3760489]

>>3760488
tough at first*

[Anonymous No.3760493]

>>3759803
Not so much. But a lack of line confidence will show itself in other places. Long as you work on smooth inking, the sketches will probably follow anyway.

[Anonymous No.3760497]

>>3760482
Dynamic Bible my nigga

[Anonymous No.3760594]

>>3760486
Thing is, I don't think I understand the purpose of line weight / how to correctly use line weight. I 'm pretty sure I need >>3760497 's suggestion.
Thanks >>3760497 btw

[Anonymous No.3760601]

Chickenscratching is a method of obscuring your flaws to yourself. You tell yourself, "one of these lines is the right one" but it's just a tangled mess. Even if you go clean up later, you'd probably still don't know which is the right line to keep or you wouldn't be drawing like that in the first place.
It's similar to people who feel their sketches look better than their cleaned up/ finished work.
You're just tricking your mind by the ambiguity of the sketch.
Stop being a pussy. Draw confident lines, restate once or twice if needed. You'll be better off in the long run.

[Anonymous No.3760606]

>>3759803
No it doesn't matter. If you look at Drawn From Life (Disney lessons) the life drawing sketches are really messy because they only care about the gesture. Many artists also have unsteady/scratchy lines when drawing in pencil, Dave Sim off the top of my head.
As long as you know what you're doing and not just drawing sloppily you should be fine.

[Anonymous No.3760611]

>>3759795
looks hairy and kills the silhouette. I'm guessing it has something to with composition and how our eyes move through scratchy lines.

>>3759803
I think the primary reason to not chicken scratch during the sketch phase because it makes it harder to see the silhouette and see the drawing properly.
if you clean the lines up and get good results after it's probably fine.

>>3760594
line weight is use to create contrast in area of focus, ex. darker around the face, and you wouldn't want the lines to be dark around the feet and light everywhere else that would draw attention to the feet(unless the picture was about the feet)

[Anonymous No.3760617]

>>3759795
Look at how ugly that picture is. That should be enough motivation.

It also makes more complex sketches totally unreadable and hard to work with

[Anonymous No.3760683]

>>3760488
>>3759899
>>3759809
Can you please post your work?

[Anonymous No.3760684]

>>3759895
Erase.

[Anonymous No.3760692]

>>3760497
What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.3760729]

>>3760684
But the original guy said to use a pen or something that doesn't erase.

[idk No.3760740]

>>3760683
Not any of the anons you quoted but I cosign what they said. Not that I consider myself a good example, but just to feed that pyw..

[Anonymous No.3760765]

>>3760740
This ones inked directly without any pencil guides

[Anonymous No.3760845]

>>3760740
you're telling me there are no mistakes in this drawing?

[idk No.3760852]

>>3760845
There's lots but I don't erase shit, and try not to chickenscratch. I'm just an anon trying to learn. How about you? Pyw?

[Anonymous No.3760855]

>>3760845
Im not the anon that posted >>3760740
But i think the point is that when you try to make cleaner sketches and decisive lines its easier to spot those mistakes than if you have scratchy mess.

[Anonymous No.3760906]

>>3760852
ok

[Anonymous No.3760911]

>>3760906
you never waste your time 'on art(?) because it stimulates dreams, I didn't waste my time on this simpler piece, because it was clearly a good stroke.

[Anonymous No.3760917]

>>3760911
what are you talking about, art itself is a waste of time. why worry about how one anon or the other learns or draws if it differs from you?

[Anonymous No.3760930]

>>3760917
art is not a waste of time, it's just free; free to be all things including a waste of time; if to you, it's a waste of time, fine, that's what art is about.

Martial arts is also a measure of degree, when we talk about painting, there are paintings worth millions because of their pleasure-grade; this is art.

[Anonymous No.3760931]

This
>>3760601
But I'd like to add on that obscuring the flaws is just that is just a result of trying to find the right line by sending lines in the general direction until it gets close to the mark like stumbling in the dark until you find a light switch.

Generally if you construct a figure, you can get a clear visualization of anchor points to make a confident line as you can spot a point A, where it starts and a point E, where it end. If necessary make it travel to points B, C and D if say for example of an S curve in one stroke instead of guessing where the next point is.

>>3760906
I thought you were dead Andrew .

[Anonymous No.3760939]

>>3760931
>>3760601
I study Glenn Vilpuu artworks and his construction process is filled with "chicken scratches" and throwing lines out over eachother. Some can be quite messy.
Are you telling me you guys know better?

[Anonymous No.3760947]

How are you able to draw this amazingly without erasing? Have you been just drawing for decades?>>3760740

[Anonymous No.3760960]

>>3760939
That isn't chicken scratches.
Chicken scratches derives from chickens scratching around the ground in the hope something turns up.

What Villpu does is deliberately making marks to find the flow of action. He pushes his pencil down to demonstrate his thought process. He knows where to make the marks. Drawing lines that wrap around the form etc. Just in your image alone you see confident lines from the neck, down the spine and around the butt. He isn't guessing. Don't mistake that for "chicken scratching"

[Anonymous No.3760973]

>>3760960
How can I reduce chicken scratching?

[Anonymous No.3760985]

>>3760973
You need to know a point A and point B. and just practice drawing a line connecting the two points.

Take Vilppu's gesture drawing for example. He takes a point, where the left shoulder will be, and takes a second point, the right shoulder and connects it with one line. Or takes a point from the head, takes another point, the belly button and draws a line that curves over the rib cage connecting those two points.

If you ever see an artist wave their pencil back and forth over the paper before drawing a line, they are visualizing the two points they will use to connect that line. A great starting point is to actually draw your construction and pick your points on the forms.

[Anonymous No.3760986]

>>3760939
Lmao if you're "studying" his works and you still think drawing like OP is acceptable then you got nothing out of his art and videos.

[Anonymous No.3760998]

>>3760985
Thank you for explaining all of that, I really appreciate your help.

[Anonymous No.3761005]

>>3760986
If you dont think vilpu chicken scratches occasionally then you're retarded lmao

[idk No.3761054]

>>3760947
Are you being ironic? I'll assume you are. I'm shit, but I try.

[Anonymous No.3761248]

>>3760601
Get yourself a good understanding of line weight and chickenskratch is fine. This shit should be a foundation for where you should be doing the majority of your work. Spending time making sure shit follows perspective/has actual weight in general is more important.

And besides. More drawing more makes you more confident anyways so your lines get smoother the more you draw.

Also, 90%of us are digital anyways so you can hammer out 2-3 under sketches and refine shit more each time.

[Anonymous No.3761535]

>>3760985
Vilppu using the same ideas as in the Op, but he's just hammering the flow out with large strokes instead of scribbles. Both can turn out shit linework if you don't know what you're doing and vice-versa. Rapoza is a great example of OP using it well.

[Anonymous No.3761581]

>>3761535
Don't mistake loose strokes with chicken scratches.

[Anonymous No.3761609]

>>3761581
If left was an anon in a drawthread some salty crab would call him a chicken scratcher while praying to kjg and ruan jia that he wouldn't have the skill to make it

[Anonymous No.3761723]

>>3761581
Delusional lol

[Anonymous No.3761726]

>>3761054
No I'm /beg/ it just blows my mind that people can draw perfect "on the first try"without erasing or construction

[Anonymous No.3761729]

>>3761581
While this is the main problem, I don't think chicken scratching is inherently as bad as some people try to claim, its just that the chicken scratch you see is people being bad at it.
You can make a series of smaller lines and still make an overall smooth form, it just takes more control and coordination than beginners have.

And you could say its stupid regardless, but its helpful with smaller forms and on smaller mediums like a mini tablet or phone.

[Anonymous No.3761763]

>>3761729
Chicken scratches is not a term to describe short strokes. Chicken scratching is making lines hoping you get the right one.

With enough experience you can learn to tell which artists use short strokes purposely.

[Anonymous No.3761780]

>>3761763
The problem is like all the dumb terms /ic/ likes to use, it means whatever the person wants it to mean in order to shit on people.

Nobody actually uses the term chicken scratching, just like nobody actually says symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.3762020]

>>3761763
You sound like you've got some sort of personal vendetta or something

[Anonymous No.3762899]

>>3759795
Avoid them when you have no fucking idea where to put them in order to look good. Are you adding them
because you know what you're doing or because you have no clue about anatomy so you end up drawing too many lines? Ask yourself

[Anonymous No.3762923]

>>3761780
>Nobody actually uses the term chicken scratching, just like nobody actually says symbol drawing.
Except that every drawing book go over those concepts?

[Anonymous No.3762924]

>>3762923
The 3 books that nobody outside of /ic/ ever reads?

[Anonymous No.3762926]

>>3761609
Not really, it seems that you're just projecting your past experiences of your /beg/-tier work being rightfully criticized.

[Anonymous No.3762927]

>>3762924
Such as? Most recommended books on /ic/ are just bog standard stuff in most art communities. After all, these kind of stuff came from outside of /ic/ in the first place. Even plebbit have the same library of recommended stuff.

[Anonymous No.3762933]

>>3762927
The only /ic/ recommended material I really see often outside of /ic/ is ironically proko.

Yeah hampton and gruney gets some love here and there. but nobody really reads their books outside a small few. actual artists are busy actually drawing.

literally nobody cares about loomis.

[Anonymous No.3762958]

>>3762933
You don't go outside of /ic/ often then. Pretty much every serious art discord servers, forums and subreddis I've been into knows Loomis, Hampton and all of those cliches. Even servers infested with 10-year-olds like Art Lounge mentions Loomis pretty often.
Do you even realize that Loomis is the 5th best-selling book in the "Figure Drawing" section on Amazon with almost 300 reviews? And we know for sure that those don't come from /ic/ since this place is filed with penniless neets.
I don't even know what this is supposed to prove or disprove since I didn't even mention Loomis.

>actual artists are busy actually drawing.
Yes, and? What does this do with anything? So they're busy with drawing, that means all of the concepts discussed in most books are actually invalid?

[Anonymous No.3762991]

>>3759803
No
>>3759809
No, lol it does not.

[Anonymous No.3763003]

>>3761535
>Vilppu using the same ideas as in the Op, but he's just hammering the flow out with large strokes instead of scribbles
>A house is actually a car, except that it doesn't have wheels, and it's way larger and it's stationary, and it's made of bricks and it's...
Hmmmm ok

[Anonymous No.3763011]

me me im a scratchman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8

[Anonymous No.3763274]

>>3760601
based.

[Anonymous No.3763288]

>>3759803
It’s a bad habit in general. You should be trying to aim for more confident line work and your mark making will improve. But if you’re happy with the process of having scratchy lines, correcting, and then rendering with no aim for painting with bravura, that’s on you.

[Anonymous No.3763434]

Is it bad to rely on stabalization?

[Anonymous No.3763512]

>>3763434
yes. it's like being a photobasher who can't paint. you will never be a real artist, just a joke to the artchads.

[Anonymous No.3763528]

>>3763434
if you already know how to draw well, and you still maintain your line drawing skills on paper, you can rely on it all you want. Do everything you can to improve your result.

Just don't expect it to fix your drawing if you're a noob.

[Anonymous No.3763543]

>>3763434
Good balance of digital and traditional and you're fine. Also it depends on the tablet your using. Wouldn't recommend it if it's a screen because it just feels weird for me, while I literally can't do shit without it with my little travel bamboo.

[Anonymous No.3763921]

>>3760611
Do you have more information on that line weight comment? I understand it at a high level but I'm sure I would benefit from some more material

[Anonymous No.3763995]

>>3763921
well line weight is the similar if not the same as composition I think, you're using light/darks thick/thin lines to create contrast and draw the eye.

Some use thicker lines for closer things because that gives a sense of depth the same as other objects getting smaller as they recede into space with small outlines. You also want to use thicker or darker lines as the outline for every object, to create depth and separation of everything else, otherwise everything blends together and it can be hard to read. Good line weight, good readability of forms goes along way in making an image look good. If your lines are messy your eye goes towards line discrepancy, that's why you want smooth lines everywhere so your eye doesn't go towards somewhere you don't want it to. Ex. having clean lines everywhere but the leg lines aren't smooth, your eye will go there because it creates contrast between everything else.


I'd say check out other artists with nice line weights and try to understand why they do things/create your own rules based off how they do it.

[Anonymous No.3764381]

>>3759795
>>3760482
Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

[Anonymous No.3764840]

>>3763995
>>3764381
Thank you

[Anonymous No.3764865]

>>3763995
Line weight can also indicate lighting, and volume, and weight. Example: use thinner lines on lit parts of the body, and heavier lines in the darker areas.

[Anonymous No.3764870]

>>3759795
There are plenty of reasons - aesthetics, flow, confidence, and visibility. Scratchy lines indicate an artist who lacks confidence in the line they're making, or simply carving out where a line should be, and needs to go back and define the line more legibly. A long, s curve line is pleasing to the eye, and can lead the viewer through the piece. Lines also define edges, and can put a drawing into focus.

Line control and confidence is crucial.

[Anonymous No.3767092]

tfw this thread gets bumped when it's next to 404

[Anonymous No.3767209]

>>3761726
It gets easier, anon. At a certain point that kind of stuff will be too simple for you, just keep working.

[Anonymous No.3767469]

>>3759795
Scratchy lines are perfectly okay. I cannot imagine why someone would say otherwise.

[Anonymous No.3767486]

because you suck lol

[Anonymous No.3767490]

>>3764870
Okay but why avoid scratchyy lines?

[Anonymous No.3767909]

>>3767490
Read what he wrote again. If you're chicken scratching you are avoiding working towards building confidence in your strokes and your forms.

[Anonymous No.3767943]

>>3767490
To develop confidence, and to focus what you're drawing. If you're just doing exploratory sketches, it's fine. But you should develop a drawing past the "chicken scratch" phase, to develop the form. The more confident you are, the less chicken scratching you'll need to do. Especially cartoonists, they're so familiar with form in that context, they can probably get close to the final line first go, with some adjustment in the final.
Another think to consider is flow. Contour lines, especially on the body, should flow from region to region - it's one of the beginning steps in figure drawing, to see the S curves and implement them into the form, so the parts of the body flow. And, when defining a contour, especially in the body, like on the butt, chicken scratches break up what should be a solid, flowing curve, and it distracts the eye from the curve itself.
A lot of drawing teachers say "Own every line". That's the thinking here. Some people "carve" on paper, trying to find the form, and use chicken scratching to get there. It's common. But it's a bad habit, when you should be training your eye and hand to see curves and contours, not small, random, broken lines - and making decisive, purposeful lines.
Make sense?
It's especially important in gesture - gesture is hard, if not impossible to capture with small, indecisive lines - which a lot of beginning students do, and the teacher (if they're any good), will break them of that habit and use long, flowing, expressive lines instead.

[Anonymous No.3767946]

>>3760906
Cross-hatching is not "chicken scratching".

[Anonymous No.3768392]

>>3767909
>working towards building confidence in your strokes and your forms
Wot?

[Anonymous No.3768397]

>>3768392
Have you not read anything else in the thread?

[Anonymous No.3768425]

>>3759803
It doesn't, but it's better to try to do some that don't look scratchy too.

[Anonymous No.3769206]

>>3759795
light scratchy lines first, then finish with a final dark solid line.

[Anonymous No.3770792]

>>3759795
Scratchy lines are okay for sketching but not for the final version.

[Anonymous No.3772809]

ere bump breh

[Anonymous No.3774795]

>>3759803
having a ton of lines in one place will make it harder to draw the right line when you get to the inking phase

[Anonymous No.3774827]

>>3761005
>he doesn't know how to crawl over the forms like a bug

[Anonymous No.3774867]

>>3759803
>>3774795
>having a ton of lines in one place will make it harder to draw the right line when you get to the inking phase
It depends on how heavy handed you are. If you have a really light hand you can do a lot of gestural lines and things will still be clean enough to ink. If you draw like this guy >>3772809 then yeah it's hopeless.

[Anonymous No.3774895]

>>3774867
no ur hopeless

im chock full of hope my dope

[Anonymous No.3774930]

Because you don't know where the real line is.

[Anonymous No.3775045]

>>3772809
dude you didnt even get the chair looking right, its the elipse doesnt look right also everything else

[Anonymous No.3775047]

>>3775045
don't reply to him, just report

[Anonymous No.3775070]

>>3775045
>dude you didnt even get the chair looking right,
What's wrong with it? That's what it looked like as I was sitting on it. It's rotated and the subject is leaning against it with the elevated leg. And even if the chair back may jut out a little more just for visibility, not sure how exactly it looks not right enough to bother commenting about it. It's a chair.
>>3775047
Yeah just keep spamming unreasonable reports for no reason so all the jannies just stop moderating the place altogether! Make your emotional problems the janny's problems! Make it known that you're an embarrassing assblasted faggot!
>>>>>>reddit

[Anonymous No.3775612]

>>3759795
why shouldn't people spearmint with scratching tho?

Like there's a liberation to just being like "I'll draw a line and if looks off I'll just do another and figure out later." I think a lot of tiems there's some anxiety about starting if there is too much of an uppity obsession about each line.

[Anonymous No.3778009]

bumping for that scratch hatching

[Anonymous No.3778039]

is this chicken scratching?

[Anonymous No.3778044]

>>3775612
>>3778009
It's not about an uppity obsession with each line and you know it. Scratchy and scribbled lines are symptomatic of having no confidence in how to depict something accurately because hatching to show tone, texture and form requires that you actually follow the contour of something to make it look like what you're trying to draw and you can't do that if you just make wanton marks.

[Anonymous No.3778087]

>>3778044
>It's not about an uppity obsession with each line and you know it
I think it can be. And I think for a lot of people the idea that you need to really put a lot of thought before you start drawing lines probably just leads to them not drawing anything. Put a line, if doesn't look right, put another dang line easy peasy.
>Scratchy and scribbled lines are symptomatic of having no confidence in how to depict something accurately
maybe. What if your art is supposed to be anxious or uncertain looking tho. And I guess I do differentiate between like the kind of shit in the op and muh scratch attak stuff I've been doing. Like >>3763011 doesn't scream "no confidence in how to depict something accurately" necessarily. It's just a lot of shit.
>texture and form requires that you actually follow the contour of something to make it look like what you're trying to draw and you can't do that if you just make wanton marks.
pscht if there's a will there's a weigh

[Anonymous No.3778095]

plus I'd argue that having a few false start lines and scratchy lines can maybe illustrate or demonstrate or suggest movement.

[Anonymous No.3778119]

>>3778087
>I think it can be. And I think for a lot of people the idea that you need to really put a lot of thought before you start drawing lines probably just leads to them not drawing anything. Put a line, if doesn't look right, put another dang line easy peasy.
The point is to work at improving your line work and eventually get to a point where you don't have to think about making confident marks. It's about excelling in the basics so you can better depict something rather than getting lost in the weeds worrying about smaller things along the way.
>What if your art is supposed to be anxious or uncertain looking tho. And I guess I do differentiate between like the kind of shit in the op and muh scratch attak stuff I've been doing. Like >>3763011 doesn't scream "no confidence in how to depict something accurately" necessarily. It's just a lot of shit.
Except a lot of what you posted reads really flat and that does scream a lack of confidence in what you're trying to do from a technical perspective, everyone else can see that too. Go ahead and disregard everything though trying to act quirky and cool but ignoring draughtsmanship and building muscle memory to make better marks and knowing where to place them is only gonna making things unnecessarily tougher for you when it really doesn't need to be and hampers your work in the eyes of your audience.

[Anonymous No.3778164]

>>3778119
>The point is to work at improving your line work and eventually get to a point where you don't have to think about making confident marks
yeah but the line work I've been working on has been about trying to turn chicken scratching and chaotic hatching into it's own aesthetic. Not an issue of "confidence" necessarily. Just impulsiveness and not erasing.
>It's about excelling in the basics
hatching and scratching is kind of a basic tho.
>Except a lot of what you posted reads really flat and that does scream a lack of confidence
yeah but that's a thing to think about regardless of technique. If you're shading gradients and blending and using single lines that's still something you deal with. Like on >>3763011 a lot of the face looks flat because I got bored and never bothered scratching up some shade on the left side of her face. Spent all muh better effort on the tiddies. feel like >>3767092 looks flat because I phoned in the shirt and chest, but the seperation between the chin and neck was ok. >>3778095 would need like 30 more minutes of detailing and shadowing and stuff and and it'd look much more 3d and constructed. It's always just a matter of work.

>Go ahead and disregard everything
I literally never do that.
>trying to act quirky and cool
we're talking about goofy sketches for fun. Why so serious?
>and building muscle memory to make better marks and knowing where to place them is only gonna making things unnecessarily tougher for you when it really doesn't need to be and hampers your work in the eyes of your audience.
I mean the whole reason I'd say people should embrace trying scratch hatching is that you're training your muscle memory what it feels like when you every kind of line. Good and bad. Practically learn why not to do things by getting burned by doing them. Like if you tell a kid not to eat hotsauce and they don't, they'll just take it for granted. If they eat it tho, they learn a lesson.

[idk No.3778673]

>>3778164
Seems to me you ate the hotsauce and didn't learn anything.

[Anonymous No.3778681]

>>3778673
yeah well that's the problem if you're a masochist. Is you just seek out behaviors that hurt.

I'd say I learned a lot in the months betwixt>>3778164 and like pict related. lernt mor thn not dooing em gnome sang

[Anonymous No.3778683]

>>3778681
outdated pict

another benefit of being a scratchman is if you decideto flippa da wrista or change foreshortening, just scratch over all of it ya sloppy goob!

[Anonymous No.3778694]

>>3778683
Literally making 20 different lines because you don't know which one is correct and have the viewer's brain interpret it and choose the best one.
If you were forced to clean this up, it'd look like even worse dogshit cause you don't know which line is right. Your flaws and deficiencies are revealed when you remove the smoke and mirrors.

[idk No.3778785]

>>3778683
There's no benefit. This looks like dogshit.

[Anonymous No.3778815]

>>3778694
>Literally making 20 different lines because you don't know which one is correct and have the viewer's brain interpret it and choose the best one.
I mean who makes 20 lines?
>If you were forced to clean this up, it'd look like even worse dogshit cause you don't know which line is right.
Eh things that I would do next on >>3778683
would be some eraser highlights on the right arm, redo the thumb. do some junk on the left hand. Then if I really wanted to make it autistic I'd go ahead and do a full blown scratch attack on all the skin. Plus it needs set dressing and herwhole bag/tent/poncho thing needs to be figured out. And what are you talking about having to choose which line, particularly on >>3778683 . Most of that one the framing and proportions and stuff was figured out on the first or second try. The arm holding out food that transformed into a teddy bear being thrown being held out that transformed into a teddy bear being ready to throw was the main aurtism on that one.

Like once you start hatching and scratching you're pretty married to it. Other than if I wanted to scan and edit that way but that seems like a hassle. You just keep stacking.
>Your flaws and deficiencies are revealed when you remove the smoke and mirrors.
All art is magic. In that it's people doing every possible cheat and manipulation possible to trick dipshits into thinking they're special.
>>3778785
dope crit. pyw.

[Anonymous No.3778816]

>>3778694
>Literally making 20 different lines because you don't know which one is correct and have the viewer's brain interpret it and choose the best one.
I mean who makes 20 lines?
>If you were forced to clean this up, it'd look like even worse dogshit cause you don't know which line is right.
Eh things that I would do next on >>3778683 (You)
would be some eraser highlights on the right arm, redo the thumb. do some junk on the left hand. Then if I really wanted to make it autistic I'd go ahead and do a full blown scratch attack on all the skin. Plus it needs set dressing and herwhole bag/tent/poncho thing needs to be figured out. And what are you talking about having to choose which line, particularly on >>3778683 (You) . Most of that one the framing and proportions and stuff was figured out on the first or second try. The arm holding out food that transformed into a teddy bear being thrown being held out that transformed into a teddy bear being ready to throw was the main aurtism on that one.

Like once you start hatching and scratching you're pretty married to it. Other than if I wanted to scan and edit that way but that seems like a hassle. You just keep stacking.
>Your flaws and deficiencies are revealed when you remove the smoke and mirrors.
All art is magic. In that it's people doing every possible cheat and manipulation possible to trick dipshits into thinking they're special.
>>3778785
dope crit. pyw.

[Anonymous No.3778820]

>>3778816
been having fun on that bullshit all night. Saw how Yoji Shinkawa sneaks grids into his paintings, but then pretty much made bad calls on all the grid decisions. Like I went with a vertical line at 4 because it was next to the next I was looking at at the time, but had I gone with a vertical line on 5 it would have been her whole center of gravity going up. And then I a horizontal at 3down it should havebeen at 2 down.

And then I kept changing the expression I wanted like 5 times. Changed the angle of the torso a bunch. Changed the size of the ditties.What the arms were doing etc.

One I figure out the do the head and arms I'm gonsta stackon clothes, armor, etc. Then I'm going to burn it probaby

[idk No.3778976]

>>3778816
Already did, but I guess you don't read the threads you shit up with your drivel.

[Anonymous No.3779384]

>>3778976
>Already did, but I guess you don't read the threads you shit up with your drivel.
sorry but you're not exactly memorable and your art is boring trash. You might as well have posted no pic related.
>>3760740
learn how to draw noses m8. Learn how to draw eyes. Learn how not to make everyone look like a fucking mongoloid. I normally don't say this because it doesn't matter, but I'm better than you. You're shit. Go eat some fucking hotsauce and learn something you boring fuck. Don't talk to me or my memes ever again.