Alternative Art/Stylization General

[Chicocalte !4Ltr1vH/Dk No.3757319]

previous thread >>3733801

What is /ALT/?
If you're looking for a place to post your cartooning then you've found the right general. This is /ic/s 1st and only merged hub where both Eastern and Western stylization can coexist peacefully, hence the double title. However, by community demand and long history, this is favorably an Anime general.
>Rules & Guidelines
(1) Any form of cartooning is welcome; so submit and receive feedback from others. (2) Please resize your images before posting. (3) Share your knowledge and (4) Remember to not be afraid of asking for critique. Most importantly I encourage you to keep discussion at a civil level, but you're more than welcome to share your opinions.
>I came for anime. Why does the image OP say cartoons general?
To distinguish from the anime study thread (janitor supported). Please post your studies there and personal work goes here.
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>Community Resources
Hitokaku Index
>http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
List of active livestreams
>Use twitch #art
>yoshikadu2011 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUx5dpO6d5gQ4KWNPc24CKw
FellowBro's Book Collection
>http://mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8
Tutorial & Reference Collection
>http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
Japanese Tutorials & Documentary
>http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317 (0033)
>http://iradukai.com/
References
>http://www.onairvideo.com/croquis-cafe-photos2.html
>http://www.eggazyoutatsu.net/eng/atarichan.html
>http://senshistock.com/sketch/
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Have fun as always.

[Anonymous No.3757342]

>>3757319
Am I good enough to post outside of /beg/ yet?

[Chicocalte !4Ltr1vH/Dk No.3757428]

>>3757342
sure

[Anonymous No.3757436]

Dunno where I'm going with this. I usually draw way less detailed stuff.
Anyone got artists references I might like based on this drawing ?

[Anonymous No.3757474]

>>3757342
way way way over /beg/ level Anon.

[Anonymous No.3757489]

>>3757474
>>3757428
Hadn't posted anything on /ic/ in a year so had to make sure. Thanks guys.

[Anonymous No.3757540]

tatas

[Anonymous No.3757562]

>>3757540
Her butt looks so boney, like she's anorexic in just one place.

[Anonymous No.3757724]

>>3757436
I'll do the shades later

[Anonymous No.3757742]

>>3757724
you really need to address your line weights. Everything is too uniform and it looks like some Rick and Morty puppet rather than an illustration.

[Anonymous No.3757746]

>>3757540
have your light come from one direction

[Anonymous No.3757755]

How do I reach that fine aesthetic balance between Eastern and Western art? I don't want to be too anime but I don't want to draw superheroes either.

[Anonymous No.3757793]

>>3757755
Jojo

[Anonymous No.3757807]

>>3757755
What is your goal, how simplistic? It could be from Scott Pilgrim to Last Airbender.

[Anonymous No.3757812]

>>3757742
I don't see why it's a bad thing

[Anonymous No.3757869]

>>3757755
Find something inbetween and figure out why it works.

Alternatively learn how both sides work and then combine them together in a way that looks good.

[Anonymous No.3757878]

>>3757755
That your work? It's pretty distinctive, I like it. Maybe do something with the eyes, you could place a small highlight there

[Anonymous No.3757969]

>>3757793
He's a great artist, but not the aesthetic I'm looking for.

>>3757807
I'm aiming for a style that's simple but organic and life-like, if possible. If I could get a

>>3757878

[Anonymous No.3757977]

>>3757969
It seems like you want to aim for realism but you're sticking in anime elements and proportions, I dunno. Maybe copy Otomo? It's a pretty similar style

[Anonymous No.3757983]

>>3757969
Something about this reminds me of Water Memory. Maybe look at some french cartoonists? They're big weebs over there, so there are a lot of interesting examples of professional western non-superhero comic art and western/manga hybrid art in french BDs.

[Anonymous No.3758123]

[Anonymous No.3758126]

>>3758123
Nice, I love mech human meshes like that

[Anonymous No.3758128]

>>3757755
Ghibli

[Anonymous No.3758150]

some doodles and sketches. Scanning it makes it easier to see things I need to improve, like more value and better construction

[Anonymous No.3758338]

>>3757342
Your blog please

[Anonymous No.3758418]

>>3757342
I'm in love with those sketches. The top right girl face is a bit stretched vertically, might be intentional.

>>3757724
Looks a bit icon-like or graphic with those lines but I don't dislike it, but it kind of flattens out the forms.

>>3758123
Hands are probably the weakest bit, pretty awesome anyways. You could probably push the local value contrast some more, separate them further.

>>3758150
Is the dog biting the top of the head from the person on the right side? It's reads a bit difficult and also makes me think it might just be resting it's head there. I find the idea funny still.
You could probably try to make your eyes more complex, add depth to them even if you go for cartoon looks. Play with the shades and add extra shapes for reflections, think of form and depth.

Leaving some stuff I did to practice special effects and panels. I fucked up the perspective on the first one and I'm not too happy with the hand. Any other critique or comment I'd gladly welcome. Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.3758427]

>>3758418
While the ice in this case works because the skeleton is enclosed, its still alive and active and ice is an all around bad choice to use against skeletons since they cannot feel cold.

[Anonymous No.3758710]

[Anonymous No.3758728]

>>3758418
>>>3757724 (You)
>Looks a bit icon-like or graphic with those lines but I don't dislike it, but it kind of flattens out the forms.

What tool could I use to work on my lineweight if I'm on photoshop ?

[Anonymous No.3758835]

>>3758418
>>3757742
>>3757724
Ok so I tried something else, with another tool, but I'm not sure about this

[Anonymous No.3758836]

>>3758728
a tablet with pressure sensitivity

[Angel !!b54Js4RqEVd No.3758842]

>>3758123
this might be an odd critique but the mech area below her butt is bothering me. It looks very solid like there is no articulation/joints there so she wouldnt be able to move her legs at the hip joint. Almost as if her metal pants were falling down instead of her just having mecha legs.
also her left hand is looking rather small. cool looking either way

[Anonymous No.3758875]

>>3758836
yes I got this, but I mean, what brush settings should I use ?

[Anonymous No.3758877]

>>3758875
You turn on shape dynamics?
You also hold alt and right click to change brush size easily.
I don't know what to explain, line weight is just changing line sizes and tapering.

[Anonymous No.3758939]

>>3758418
>>3758150
No, the dog isn't supposed to be biting the dudes head haha. Just was the flow of my doodling. Thanks for the feedback too.

[Anonymous No.3758951]

>>3757319

[Anonymous No.3758967]

>>3758710
Hi! I like sucy but Lotte and Constanze better! Do you have any more tips on drawing more anime from your professional Japanese friend? Like things you have to remind yourself to do while drawing. I admire ur work many

[Anonymous No.3758971]

>>3758427
>Assumes facts not in evidence!
>Never heard the expression, chilled to the bone?! ha-ha-ha.
I'm joking, I get what you mean, but I'm not really going for such categories, resistances and elements. I guess you can freeze an enemy to make them more brittle but also maybe he is just trying to disable it? Or maybe in a rush and stopping it is enough. I can find many ways to justify it.

>>3758728
>>3758835
It's not really about the tool, I mean you just need to know that if you use lines, some need to be thicker and some thinner or even lost, have a hierarchy, I've seen some pictures around here explaining it.
Anyhow, tools, well one that feels comfortable to you but, just I guess use a small brush first and then go over with a thicker one on those lines that you want thicker, or if you use pressure sensitivity or some other control, then use that to do it on the go.

>>3758939
Well, you might want to consider now making one where the dog is chewing on someone's head. Ha.

[Anonymous No.3759062]

>>3758951
That really reminds me of the aliens in half life 2

[Anonymous No.3759178]

would you be her boyfriend?

[Anonymous No.3759187]

[Anonymous No.3759229]

>>3758338
https://tomartandstuff.tumblr.com
Not a lot here, I post rearly. From once a year to once a month at most. And tumblr is flagging the little I have
>>3758418
Ye, messed the head a bit. Probobly from drawing furry heads so much as those tend to be a bit bigger.

[Anonymous No.3759246]

>>3759178
I'm not a necrophiliac.

[Anonymous No.3759396]

[Anonymous No.3759421]

>>3759178
No. I am not a pedo. This is a +18 board

[Anonymous No.3759427]

>>3759396
Interesting style, but what the hell is on her elbows?

[Anonymous No.3759441]

>>3759427
Its a dude I used to follow on tumblr like 10 years ago before he disappeared.He used to put circles on elbows and kneecaps. I have no idea why

[Anonymous No.3759467]

[Anonymous No.3759518]

[Anonymous No.3759575]

>>3759178
No, I am not into neck-down amputees. This is a board for people with ribcages and spines.

[Anonymous No.3759654]

>>3759396
>>3759441
another
recommend similar artists if anyone knows anyone

[Anonymous No.3759656]

>>3757755
Modern French stuff. Check out Joel jurion/jjfrenchie or the lastman cartoon

[Anonymous No.3759695]

>>3759178
I dunno why the bashing. I like it anon, It has a creepy vibe and a bit of sadness but maybe that's why I like it, it's something that always impress me since I don't seem to be able to get those moods well enough on my artwork, the brushstrokes are nice, maybe too blurry. You could try to harden some edges, maybe add faint highlights, not sure about this later one, might kill the mood.

[Anonymous No.3759824]

>>3759396
>>3759441
>>3759654
Wtf is this edgy gay shit lol

[Anonymous No.3759866]

>>3759441
name/link?

[Anonymous No.3760014]

My tablet died so I'm trying to get used to drawing on paper, what do you think of my first attempt?

[Anonymous No.3760052]

low-effort doodling

[Anonymous No.3760060]

>>3758967
Thanks. I haven't had any new advice recently, but it still seems that line weight is one of the more important factors.

[vu !d1jwGJruwE No.3760068]

[Anonymous No.3760080]

>>3760052
What expression are you trying to convey on the left head? She looks mildly startled, but I assume you where going for happy. And on the right one looks like her torso and legs are in different perspective.

[Anonymous No.3760145]

>>3760014
good, i like burg, post more burg

[Anonymous No.3760305]

>>3760052
You're that guy that was studying space jin

[Anonymous No.3760630]

[Anonymous No.3760631]

>>3760630

[Anonymous No.3760635]

>>3760630
>>3760631
cute, i really like these! i'd love to have a blog or twitter if you're comf handing that out

[Anonymous No.3760637]

>>3760635
no blog sorry

[Anonymous No.3760640]

>>3760637
understandable, have a nice day

[Anonymous No.3760738]

>>3760145
old doodle

[neutermind No.3760739]

>>3760631
>wolf too big
>clouds to straight
>good girl, good posture, good hair; more time needs to be spent on the mouth,

[Anonymous No.3760742]

>>3760738
hoLY SHIT YES, i love this, art of cute characters eating burgs is like my favorite thing, thank you
also do you have a blog?

[Anonymous No.3760744]

>>3760742
@atlas9x on twitter and tumblr. I'm more active on twitter, I barely use tumblr since the purge.

[Anonymous No.3760788]

>>3757319
trying to make an avatar for someone got a start really need to clean stuff up better and work on that background

[Anonymous No.3760805]

nonsensical lighting inbound

[elefterescu No.3760818]

lousy unfinished manga drawing which i hope to continue tomorrow

i want to finish the green pullover then draw in red plaits & green bows

[Anonymous No.3760822]

>>3760788
You need to stop relying on post processing and brushes as much anon.
When you are in the field doing quick bashes for the art director it makes sense, but why would you use techniques that are best for the deadline in your spare time is beyond me.
I suggest you actually draw and render all of that friend, because if you can actually draw it you will also know how to quickly substitute it too.

[Anonymous No.3760823]

>>3760805
I want to fuck her

[Anonymous No.3760860]

>>3760739
>>clouds to straight
that's a wind anon

[Anonymous No.3760899]

>>3760805
I can't make sense of where her scapula is supposed to be, please redo it from scratch

[Anonymous No.3760913]

>>3760899
>>3760805
Also, does she have two right hands? It looks like her left arm is passing through her body lmao

[Anonymous No.3761420]

[Anonymous No.3761425]

>>3761420
No one likes you on here you know that?

[Anonymous No.3761444]

>>3761425
That's not true. I like him.

[Anonymous No.3761869]

>>3760014
another one

[Anonymous No.3761937]

>>3761869
Looks like the outline of her left hand blands with the body.

[Anonymous No.3761992]

unfinished and frustrating me

[Anonymous No.3761995]

>>3761992
really cute though

[Anonymous No.3761998]

>>3761992
Scale on her right hand is off I think

[Anonymous No.3762002]

>>3761998
i actually noticed this as i was saving it to post here and it bothered me but i elected to fix it later

>>3761995
thanks!!

[Anonymous No.3762006]

Any crit on this one? Any would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.3762019]

bi's

[Anonymous No.3762021]

How do I /hands/?

[Anonymous No.3762025]

rate my art lel

[Anonymous No.3762043]

>>3761992
Try adding more space between the eyes and keep working on thinking in 3d. You flattened the image.

[Anonymous No.3762063]

>>3762021
I would recommend studying George B Bridgman's "The Book of 100 Hands", it helped me a ton. good luck anon

[Anonymous No.3762099]

>>3757319
Can anyone give your boy some advice? The parts in red I don't feel confident about. Want to fix everything before linework and rendering

[Anonymous No.3762113]

something(s) feels extremely wrong but I cant put my finger on it

[Anonymous No.3762129]

>>3762113
Arms are way too short and thin

[Anonymous No.3762229]

wanted to get into concept art for the longest time but 3 years into a viral porn image on my alternate twitter account and here i am drawing porn for a living, not saying i'm not grateful just feels like i'll never get where i wanted to be, and i never really learned how to do good chara designs since i only draw nudes

thanks for reading my blog

anyway heres a quick sketch

[Anonymous No.3762232]

>>3762099
It's all flat.
You have a good feeling of weight in breasts and even indication of 3d space, but rest of it, especially the hands are symbol drawn flat as fuck.
Look at her spine and how the shoulders would connect to her body, think about how she would have to place her hands to support that weight.

[Anonymous No.3762233]

>>3762113
The skirt itself is really really stiff and bad with zero indication of form, it's own or that underneath.
Hands and torso are connected badly and hands themselves are malformed and short.

[Anonymous No.3762235]

>>3762229
Sorry anon but I have no sympathy for people like you.
Talk like that always sounds like
>I literally can not grasp the concept of multi tasking and I'm too lazy to invest into a new skill like design
You get what you do, you did porn and you got porn life, which isn't bad, but you won't be able to get the concept art gig if you don't practice design.

[Anonymous No.3762244]

>>3762235
i totally get where you're coming from, i see artists on twitter and instagram who play music, go out and still have time to go to the gym. i'm just very slow when it comes to planning out pieces and getting everything right, my speed has gotten a lot better but for the amount of stuff i put out i literally have to spend all day inside.

and slacking means loss of support, i see artists who are a lot better than me with a much smaller following and support simply because they don't post as much, it's ridiculously competitive out there.

[Anonymous No.3762526]

>>3757319
aping deerchip

[Anonymous No.3762555]

[Anonymous No.3762568]

>>3760052
I want to pet her on the head.

some updates >>3759467

[Anonymous No.3762573]

>>3762555
I like this

[Anonymous No.3762676]

>>3762526
Hey fisher, how do I get to your level?
Your stuff is really nice

[Anonymous No.3762753]

>>3762129
>>3762233
how would you go about addressing proportion problems? I feel like the only way is mileage (aka just draw)...

[Anonymous No.3762888]

>>3762568
Top right girl’s face looks real weird

[Anonymous No.3762968]

Help D:
How do i improve this ?

[Anonymous No.3763054]

>>3762968
Her lower body is too small.

[Anonymous No.3763097]

>>3762968
>>3763054

Thanks, i think i fixed that.
I'm thinking of changing the BG, the image seems a bit dull and i don't know how else to improve it.

[Anonymous No.3763319]

doodle

>>3760080
>What expression are you trying to convey on the left head?
dunno I didn't think that far ahead
>>3760305
yess

[Anonymous No.3763329]

>>3762568
>I want to pet her on the head.
hoho all this praise is going straight to my dunning-kruger
have an epic redline, though everything else in the pic looks competent so I don't know if she's meant to look like that ??

[Anonymous No.3763361]

>>3763329
I think I see where the problem is now, thanks for that. I have occasional blind spot, and after seeing your redline it becomes painfully obvious, but I am not sure why it misaligned like that. My initial approach at that area is to show that she is looking down at everyone. I wanted to move her facial feature higher on the face.

[Anonymous No.3763367]

>>3763319
It's not an anorexic ayy lmao loli, i'm proud of you!

[Anonymous No.3763432]

>>3762676
thank you. The best thing i can recommend is to keep drawing, but you already know that. Ive been at it for over a decade myself. If you want a little bit more direction though, i'd say really make an effort to visualize what youre trying to draw, and actually go through the motions of drawing in your head. drawing from life is really helpful because it forces you to process the 3d objects youre seeing into something 2d you can draw, rather than just copying pictures line for line. one of the most passively helpful things you can do is just surround yourself with the best art you can find, with as much variety in style as you can manage. Also, aim wayy higher than my level

[Anonymous No.3763542]

>>3763432
>i'd say really make an effort to visualize what youre trying to draw, and actually go through the motions of drawing in your head
im this anon >>3762753 and i just tried this, and walla, my proportions are much better, so thank you. I also notice that I'm less hasty and more calm when I draw like this. Good advice

[Anonymous No.3763571]

>>3763542
glad i could help

[Anonymous No.3763683]

Some sketches experimenting with styles.

[Anonymous No.3763685]

>>3763432
>Ive been at it for over a decade myself.
I thought you started at 2014 or something?

[Anonymous No.3763690]

>>3762099
>>3762232
Hopefully an improvement, volume is something I struggle with

[Anonymous No.3763697]

posted in another thread but since /ic/ is dead af im posting here too

someone told me her face is ugly and that i needed to go to /ic/

i understand if someone might not like the way i painted it but i seriously cannot perceive it to be ugly, let me know what you think

[Anonymous No.3763703]

>>3763697
his right, it is pretty ugly man.
The nose is rounded so it looks flat af
also the mouth seems recessed and hanging to the side of the face
The whole skull is weirdly shaped as well, not in the anime sense too

[Anonymous No.3763716]

>>3763703
i wonder why im incapable of recognizing those elements as ugly. i will admit i was playing fast and loose and didnt do much referencing with the nose and mouth despite being not really being experienced at drawing them. i still now cant connect the dots and recognize it as ugly tho but i will try to alter them

[Anonymous No.3763724]

>>3763716
Flip your canvas every so often, you will catch more mistakes

[Anonymous No.3763737]

>>3763685
nope that's just about when i found /ic/ and started getting serious about finding a way to improve beyond just drawing more at my current skill. i drew a fuckton in middleschool and a lot in highschool up to that point

[Anonymous No.3763748]

Where would one go to to find a drawing partner for a mature comic series? I'm forever alone and unmotivated but deep in my loins i yearn to draw.

[Anonymous No.3763753]

>>3763724
i already do that but i still couldnt see it. i feel like my brain is fucked or something

gunna try to just reference as often as i can now because i just cant even trust my own judgement anymore on what looks fine

[Anonymous No.3763764]

>>3763690
Could you draw the skeleton for that?
Her shoulder girdle and head looks completely misaligned with her torso.Why is her ribcage being so heavily indented by the bra. The rib to lumbar connection definitely should be more subtle, not a pinch.

[Anonymous No.3763767]

>>3763753
Take a day or two off and draw something else. Then come back, if you still can't see it then maybe you're kinda fucked

[Anonymous No.3763783]

>>3763748
A partner in what way? Like a writer in need of an artist, or for 2 artists to collaborate on a comic? Some kind of anthology thing where each artist does a comic to go in it?

[Anonymous No.3764007]

[Anonymous No.3764036]

I've been trying to merge cutesy and generic animus with my usual horror art, how's this fellas?

[Anonymous No.3764043]

>>3764036
p good, her eyes really freak me the fuck out

[Anonymous No.3764054]

>>3764007
cute kinda, i think it'd help to move her eyes up a bit. looking a bit downy there.

[Anonymous No.3764059]

>>3764036
ever heard of Hazel on Pixiv? Reminds me of him, that's fucking good. Do more like that.

[Anonymous No.3764063]

>>3764043
>>3764059
I did Sanae like that aswell, was going to do more touhou.

[Anonymous No.3764066]

>>3764007
>exact same 3/4 uguu~ face
imagine stagnating for literal years at this level.

>>3764036
>>3764063
the only thing 'horror' about this is how /beg/ your skills are, drawing squiggles on everything is NOT a substitute for drapery or ears.

[Anonymous No.3764071]

>>3764036
>>3764063
practice drawing clothes more my man. I like the contrast between black and white and the way you did the eyes tho. Also don't do the standard 3/4 view, it's really boring.

[Anonymous No.3764075]

>>3764063
Go back and render on the cloth and ear. You have potential here,don't waste it by being lazy.

[Anonymous No.3764077]

>>3764075
Potential? Potential for what? The eyes, hands, nose, and mouth still reek of beg to me.

[Anonymous No.3764082]

>>3764077
I said it has potential ( for fan art anyway ), there are still things anon can work on, and that goes for everyone on /ic/.

[Anonymous No.3764083]

>>3764063
never stop drawing anon, you can make it

[Anonymous No.3764089]

>>3764077
>Potential? Potential for what?

It's anime art anon, chill the fuck out, also it's a step above alot of shit I've seen here, anon is obviously going for something different than uwu anime, he just needs to practice.

[Anonymous No.3764118]

>>3764066
Excuse me, but I find it very rude of you to constantly be talking crap about me. Can't you just be nice and say it looks cute or something? Like seriously dude stop being so negative..

[Anonymous No.3764156]

Hello there, here is my latest wip, any tips or crit? You can shit on it as long as you tell my why its shit.

[Anonymous No.3764171]

[Anonymous No.3764197]

>>3764156
I like, main 2 criticisms I guess is that her back leg doesn't feel grounded, and I feel it would work better if she was just cat-footed as opposed to lifting the entire foot.

Also the legging armor looks a bit off from the frontal view when comparing it to the side view. Front view looks like it just overlaps as scales, while the side view looks like it protrudes out like a compression spring or something.
But I'm not an armor expert so I'm not entirely sure how it works, but I'd assume the top part of each panel goes downward if it looks like the frontal view?

[Anonymous No.3764208]

>>3764156
i think i recognise your shit. stop drawing head-on anime girls and study forms/perspective.

[Anonymous No.3764275]

>>3764197
Wdym by cat footed? Yeah, the armor is supposed to be like scales where it overlaps per plate while being strapped by leather. Armor is really hard to think of logically since i've never worn one lol.

>>3764208
Nice, thanks for recognising my shit, i do draw some non anime girls with perspective with pic related. I wanna be consistent first on the style from my previous pic first.

[Anonymous No.3764287]

>>3764275
Like having the ball, or at least her toes on the ground. it looks like her back foot is in the air, which might just be perspective being off, but either way ti would look more balanced if her backfoot was grounded

[Anonymous No.3764289]

anyone have suggestions for a color palette? tips or crit?

[Anonymous No.3764295]

>>3764289
You've done nothing since the last time you posted and we're not about to spoonfeed you.

[Anonymous No.3764302]

>>3764295
i just thought it might be fun to see what suggestions people had for colors, i wasn't trying to be spoonfed.

also if you think i didn't do anything to that drawing sorry you are retarded

[Anonymous No.3764308]

>>3764275
>i do draw some non anime girls
still symbol drawing though
>with perspective
good luck trying to find your own vanishing points in that clusterfuck l m a o
>I wanna be consistent first on the style from my previous pic first.
they're called fundamentals because you do them FIRST, retard
you'd have actually progressed by now if you had

also
>armor is really hard to think of logically since i've never worn one lol
it's almost like you can google hundreds of images on how armor is actually put together and watch documentaries by people who have worn it
plate armor is only segmented to protect MOVING parts, unless her thighs and forearms can bend like noodles that's a retarded design
and her stomach and head are both unprotected, she might as well not be wearing armor at all

[Anonymous No.3764310]

>>3764308
>symbol drawing
automatically disregard everything this anon says. its nice, keep up the good work. try to use proper references next time though

[Anonymous No.3764321]

>>3764308
>unless her thighs and forearms can bend like noodles that's a retarded design
>and her stomach and head are both unprotected, she might as well not be wearing armor at all
>it's unrealistic reeeeee

[Anonymous No.3764323]

>>3763690
Here you go, on the left is the original rough sketch. I see the problems you described but not with the shoulder girdle and head. Head's meant to be looking to the side moreso than in the direction of her body, and the shoulder seems fine to me. Maybe it's because the skeleton I just outlined doesn't match up perfectly to the contours around the ribcage. I'll redo some of the linework and post it.

[Anonymous No.3764327]

>>3764310
He does make logical sense on the armor part I admit, i may redo this part. Its a work in progress anyway :) . What the hell is symbol drawing though lmao.

>>3764308
>Clusterfuck
Wheres the clusterfuck there anon?

>they're called fundamentals because you do them FIRST
I do fundamentals though, and make things like these if things do work out (or not in this case as you say). Why are so salty tho? Too much grinding? Do what you like sometimes anon, draw some anime girls lmao.

[Anonymous No.3764351]

>>3764321
>>it's unrealistic reeeeee
where did I say that; a character that doesn't need their head or stomach protected doesn't need such a mundane fucking armor
and unnecessarily segmenting things to hamfist visual complexity makes for a retarded design, even ignoring the total non-functionality

>>3764327
>Wheres the clusterfuck there anon?
it's frankenstein'd together limbs with 2D drapery and it's still a front-facing anime girl
>I do fundamentals though
obviously not, don't kid yourself
>Too much grinding? Do what you like sometimes anon
hello and goodbye hobby artist you're on the wrong board

[Anonymous No.3764352]

Anyways this the result of what >>3764287 said, also fixed some wobbly lines and inconsistencies on the lifted thigh armor.

[Anonymous No.3764375]

>>3764351
post your work

[Anonymous No.3764394]

>>3764351
>hello and goodbye hobby artist you're on the wrong board
kek, tryhard autist detected.

[Anonymous No.3764427]

>>3764352
>rtx off
>rtx on

[Anonymous No.3764441]

[Anonymous No.3764511]

>>3764352
I hope you don't mind a redline, most of the flaws I see are a lack of fundamentals, I'd suggest going back to anatomy studies before jumping into armor (Which is a completely different beast.)

Another thing is composition, the pose looks off because it doesn't really have a form, I think her right leg on the before sketch looked better, stylized illustrations can get away with these "idealistic" poses for the sake of aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.3764558]

>>3763690
>>3763764
I think it's a lot better now. Still kind of wierd about the hands though. Also just noticed I never replied to you with >>3764323

[Anonymous No.3764599]

you fags have any guides on cloth folds and that sorta things?

[Anonymous No.3764634]

>>3764599

[Anonymous No.3764650]

>>3760742
>art of cute characters eating burgs is like my favorite thing

[Anonymous No.3764675]

>>3764599
Although stuff like >>3764634 can help as a shorthand for drawing very stylized stuff, I suggest using picture references of the clothes you want to draw, fabric behaves in very interesting and unexpected ways.

[Anonymous No.3764679]

>>3764650
Oh please anon, like you're not incredibly turned on by cute girls trying to fit oversized sandwiches in their mouth and getting their faces all messy with the sauce

[Anonymous No.3764725]

>>3764171
i like your art, you have a blog?

[Anonymous No.3764737]

How long do I need to train until I get to this level?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGqnNxDnX6I
(The title says anime but you can think of cartoon landscape/scenery painting in general).
I'm studying Perspective (the made easy book) at the moment. What is your recommended study routine? Should I move on to color next or what?

[Anonymous No.3764739]

>>3764737
3 days

[Anonymous No.3764748]

>>3764599

[Anonymous No.3764890]

>can't apply Loomis to anime style

[Anonymous No.3764920]

>>3761869
today's doodle

[Anonymous No.3764939]

>>3764920
You need to feel the forms more.
Many of the details are just completely flat, like the bandaid and zippers. Even the sleeves are relatively flat.
Its also an extremely boring pose, the one you linked isn't bad and its okayt because its just a boring picture of a girl on a packground.

but with an empty gun and flash grenade I assume, you need something more interesting going on.

[Anonymous No.3764958]

>>3763783
2 Artist collaboration. Mostly for trading opinions of story direction or comparing ideas and drawing concepts.

It's just so few people like steampunk or anything industrial looking. It's always anime and modern stuff :C

I simply don't have the McNuggies to do it on my own.

[vu !d1jwGJruwE No.3765002]

[Anonymous No.3765012]

>>3764958
I like this, it gives me Nausicaa vibes, but the composition isn't great, there's no focus and the negative space is awkwardly placed.

I did a paintover of sorts, I hope this explains my point a little better.

[Anonymous No.3765030]

[Anonymous No.3765043]

>>3765030
Torso looks flat

[Anonymous No.3765049]

>>3765043
Got it, thanks for pointing that out

[Anonymous No.3765107]

>>3760631
trying to get good drawing feet

[Anonymous No.3765112]

>>3764725
@nellipher on twitter, tho i haven't posted in a while but i have a few pics that are almost done but also i'm a piece of shit an i'd rather play a;lsdjsdf fortnite. gonna draw a ton of gay kid icarus stuff after i finish the current two pics tho~

[Anonymous No.3765169]

>>3765030
wow how do you manage to have lineart so clean?

[Anonymous No.3765171]

sorry for the shit-tier print screen capture...

in original comic strip, PICTURE B and PICTURE A are placed next to each other so it's obvious to readers that both scenes are taken at the same place, which is on top of the building.

what i wonder is if PICTURE A alone is sufficient enough to understand that they are on top of the building looking down the street. i think readers without reading PICTURE B beforehand would not be able to see it. as A contains kinda wonky perspective and poor choice of camera angle.

if it really is, what can i do for this problem?

[Anonymous No.3765188]

>>3765171
Based on picture B, the city in the background isn't going up a hill, correct? If so, locate your vanishing point based on the main building and draw the city on the horizon. It appears this building is far taller than the ones around it. If the cityscape becomes more discernible than a mass of squares, it should be more clear. Simply increasing the level of detail a tad may help. If it is in perspective and I'm just not noticing it, I would recommend changing the angle so the horizon is more centered.The characters will probably look fine no matter what angle it is, so you might only need to redraw the buildings. A slightly low angle might better communicate that Red is addressing Blue above him as well, but looking good is the no.1 priority, I think.

Also, move Blue's dialogue bubble into negative space, as it obscures too much of the city. You could make picture A the same width as B by expanding the right side of the canvas and drawing more city in at the same time. I think that would make for a more interesting composition.

That aside, no meaningful information is communicated beyond Red's hand, so you can also crop that side to make more space to the right. Cutting off Blue's butt might ruin the composition, though. So I'll leave it to you to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.3765205]

>>3765171
picture b hands down has the better comp/more awe-inspiring vista. i'd jus put red down in the corner there an run with that one cause it's a much better shot in my imo

[Anonymous No.3765206]

>>3765205
to add more, it's a very clear establishing shot, something you tend to want to do before any closeups, so even if you're gonna keep shot a, it should come AFTER shot b cause shot b clearly establishes their placement

[Anonymous No.3765213]

>>3763683
do you have a blog?

[Anonymous No.3765222]

>>3764920
sick

[Anonymous No.3765231]

>>3765171
Pic A is definitely sufficient imo. You could bump it up a little bit more for extra emphasis if you wanted. Some ideas I have are widening the shot on the right side a little to show some more of the city, and dropping a dark color over the city part to help separate it from the foreground. You could probably also do away with that strange cement overhang, it doesn't read as believable architecture to me. I'd either shift the red head to be leaning more clearly against that wall below the sniper or put a ledge/rim down along the bottom that the redhead can use for an arm rest in that position. One other thing for flourish if you want, some steamy clouds rising from the streets could add a lively feel.
Looks very good either way, very nice style.

[Anonymous No.3765249]

>>3765205
>>3765206
Not him, but I like how it draws out to reveal the city. It's like an expansion of space and has more impact. Establishing shots are overrated.

The first panel just isn't done as effectively as it could atm.

[Anonymous No.3765337]

>>3765169
Well compared to many other anime artist my lineart is considered pretty messy already because I didn't use a dedicated layer for inking, I only draw on 1 layer as if you're drawing on paper traditionally, and then I use eraser to erase the sketch lines away. I also tend to draw lines with a quick, long stroke instead of multiple shorter stroke. This is what works for me but YMMV.

For reference, >>3752441 is my earlier sketch.

[Anonymous No.3765439]

>>3765107
another one

[Anonymous No.3765468]

>>3765171
Picture A has a couple of problems that could be fixed.
That overhanginging roof that's connecting to the roof that the sniper is on is unnecessary, doesn't make sense architecturally, and confuses the reader into thinking it might be some kind of avant garde structure.
Freckle's sitting posture does not convey that they're on a tall building at all. No one would ever lean into the abyss like that.

[Anonymous No.3765579]

>>3759396
what is this style called?

[Anonymous No.3765671]

>>3765171
Gonna agree with some other anons and say picture A is kinda off. From a paneling and story perspective it's fine. But it means the building is oddly built and confused the reader. I'd have no idea shes under sniper girl if she wasnt in pic A too.
Just move her on top of the roof imo.

[Anonymous No.3766048]

>>3764958
That's nice

[Anonymous No.3766180]

>>3759654
More?

[Anonymous No.3766184]

something wrong with ass and waist, but I'm tired of this piece

[Anonymous No.3766270]

Any tips on drawing lips?

[Anonymous No.3766300]

her face seems off to me but i cannot really figure out why

[Anonymous No.3766301]

>>3766300
learn to noses

[Anonymous No.3766306]

>>3766270
don't draw lips

[Anonymous No.3766312]

>>3766301
What's wrong with the nose? Like is the position wrong or is the little line a bad way to suggest a nose when drawing animu type girls and should I add more details?

[Anonymous No.3766321]

>>3766306
o-okay

[Anonymous No.3766323]

>>3766312
As in, you can't just throw random lines and call it a nose. the dot/line follows the actual nose of a human and its just a minimalization of it. There's different ways of doing it but yours fails to capture all of it and it throws the entire face off.

[Anonymous No.3766324]

>>3766300
>>3766301
might've changed the angle a bit but you should always use guidelines

[Anonymous No.3766326]

>>3766312
Not the person who left the nose comment but I agree with him, here's a better way to put it:
The line there shows a lack of understanding of the structure under the nose and how to represent it there fore makes it look bad.
Here's a rough on how the nose structure might look on her. https://gyazo.com/40daee20de7c9be280121f5efed5eef1
Here's that nose structure translated to fit the style (I drew in the ear for no damn reason btw) https://gyazo.com/059fb8b5e854bd03373e46bf82bd22c2
Everything else looks good, her shirt seems a bit too baggy and could have more implications that her tits are there instead of the way it is now.

[Anonymous No.3766330]

>>3760788
Looks good on thumbnail but I think you should use bigger brushes on your work. Start big, don't go to pencil thin small unless you absolutely have to

[Anonymous No.3766332]

>>3766300

[Anonymous No.3766334]

>>3766332
nice

[Anonymous No.3766336]

>>3766323
That isn't a random line i'm calling a nose, that's a nose I put in the wrong place. I said myself that the face feels off and I know that it is due to the position of the eyes and nose, I am trying to fix it.

[Anonymous No.3766340]

>>3766332
It's a nose but it's now half her face.it should be more subtle. also you don't have to outline her whole nose either, just like how you don't outline the bottom of the eye part of the stylization is to keep things high contrast and suggestive

[Anonymous No.3766342]

>>3766324
>>3766326
Both of these are super helpful, I totally see where I messed up with the placement of the facial features. Thanks!!

[Anonymous No.3766343]

>>3766342
np
Keep it up man! your'e doing great.
I like her hair

[Anonymous No.3766345]

>>3766332
I appreciate this!! Thank you so much for putting in the effort to help me out!

[Anonymous No.3766353]

>>3766340
>when a dunning kruger tries to redline

[Anonymous No.3766355]

>>3766326
fixed it! thanks chief!

[Anonymous No.3766356]

>>3766355
(((nice)))

[Anonymous No.3766360]

>>3766355
I was told OP would wash the dishes of whoever gave her the most solid advice. couldn't resist. nothing personal, sucks to suck

[Anonymous No.3766361]

>>3766300
My take. I think it needs to lean into the abstraction more.

[Anonymous No.3766362]

[Anonymous No.3766367]

>>3766355
Oi vei.

[Anonymous No.3766370]

>>3760635
>>3760742
>>3761995
>>3764054
>>3764650
>>3764679
These are the cutest comments UWU.

[Anonymous No.3766374]

>>3766370
>3/6 me
either way, literally fucking kill yourself you pathetic gaia faggot.

[Anonymous No.3766400]

>>3766370
;3

[Anonymous No.3766423]

>>3766374
I found your picture on your cell phone. Looking cute as always UWU.

[Anonymous No.3766434]

>>3766423
what the fuck is going on

[Anonymous No.3766439]

>>3766434
The board is filled with tumblr tier gaia faggots and of course we have no mods to get rid of them.

[Anonymous No.3766445]

>>3766362
this is the first time I recognize somebody I talked to outside of 4chan on here.
looks dope either way.

[Anonymous No.3766460]

>>3766439
Cute, do you have a blog on Tumblr?

[Anonymous No.3766603]

>>3764066
You know this guy?

[Anonymous No.3766608]

>>3760744
Cute stuff
Followed

[Anonymous No.3766629]

>>3765188
>>3765205
>>3765206
>>3765249
>>3765231
>>3765468
>>3765671

thank you for your honest, detailed suggestions, anons. frankly i didn't expect this much of an help from this board.

[Anonymous No.3766639]

>>3762006
weight is off on the pose, it looks like she's standing on her tiptoes while at the same time lounging on the lance and the shield. try comfortably supporting your weight on two arms and one foot like the picture and you will find yourself 'hanging' off of your shoulders, slouching either forward or backwards.

[Anonymous No.3766714]

>>3757319

i'm making a tiny coloring cook

crit / input / advice?

[Anonymous No.3766720]

>>3757319

i'm making a tiny coloring book

crit / input / advice?

[Anonymous No.3766722]

>>3766720

[Anonymous No.3766725]

>>3766722

[Anonymous No.3766726]

I try to make shonen type villains sometimes

[Anonymous No.3766747]

>>3757319
>>3762099
Fuck me this took a while. Any corrections to make/suggestions? As far as i can see it's finished but I'm tired as fuck

[Anonymous No.3766748]

>>3766747
She doesn't have feet?

[Anonymous No.3766749]

>>3766748
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ITS JUST MY STYLE BRO DONT HIT ME AAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.3766761]

>>3766748
>>3766747

nope. another stupid "artist"

>ahh i don't like tedious things.
>ahh learning
>ahh muh comfy tinking
>ahh

[Anonymous No.3766763]

>>3766761
>Stylization general
It's cuter this way. I don't like how real feet look.

[Anonymous No.3766782]

>>3766726
Weak jaw, small chest, thin fingers, lazy abdominals.

[Anonymous No.3766825]

>>3766330

[Anonymous No.3766830]

>>3766782
It’s a sketch little man

[Anonymous No.3766835]

>>3766763
>>3766747
It seriously looks like it has no feet. It doesn't feel stylized because the hands and the feet are so different.

[Anonymous No.3766840]

>>3766830

You sure told him.

This isn't a sketch, there is clearly sketch work underneath the line work that has been partially erased. The person that made this drawing should bring immediate attention to their proportions and application of line weight, among other things.

[Anonymous No.3766843]

>>3766763
>>3766747

even if you leave the feet this undeveloped they don't read as feet because the lower leg is too short and there are no curves defining the ankles

also crop the image in on all sides, the figure is so small in the composition and the background is so barebones; nobody is trying to give their attention to hastily drawn silhouettes.

[Anonymous No.3766845]

>>3766830
>sketching in pen
ngmi ever, quit now

[Anonymous No.3766846]

>>3766835
>>3766843
I'm going to keep this in mind, thanks

[Anonymous No.3766848]

>>3766747
You could have added little toe bumps or anything but that.

[Anonymous No.3766849]

>>3766846

ur gonna make it

[Anonymous No.3766850]

>>3766848
Pretty cute idea desu

[Anonymous No.3766858]

>>3766845
Only been drawing less then a year little man. I still got a lot of work ahead of me.

[Anonymous No.3766860]

>>3766840
Sorry I’m still a beginner. I guess don’t know all the art terminologies yet

[Anonymous No.3766862]

>>3766830
You're posting in an art/critique board, then get defensive and ad hominem when someone gives critique/advice.

[Anonymous No.3766863]

Where do you draw the line between western and eastern styles?

[Anonymous No.3766864]

>>3766862
You’re right I should be more open minded next time. Lesson learned

[Anonymous No.3766866]

>>3766863
Fuck, forgot the pic

[Anonymous No.3766867]

>doodle up some cute elf from a game I was playing
>one of the dev likes your image

nice

[Anonymous No.3766886]

[Anonymous No.3766960]

Hey friends, hope you're doing well! Please tell me if these concept sketches look too tumblr-y and how they can be improved. I know that Perry's book-holding hand is bad and that the shading on Casper doesn't make sense. Any other glaring flaws?

Also wouldn't be opposed to advice on making a comic, which is what these characters are for. I'm struggling with trying to pin down detail, and how much I should put into each character since I'm not a mangaka with many assistants at my disposal. Should I only draw enough to get the point across or is that too lazy? And with character design, I've always tried to have every piece of clothing inform of their character, do you think that comes across with these ones? Do you have any impressions about what you think these characters would be like? Thanks so much for your help! Sorry if I'm in the wrong place and for the text wall!

>>3760631
I love everything about your style and I'm sad that you don't have a blog, this is really inspiring to me!

>>3760068
I love this a lot, you gotta blog/twitter/ig?

[Anonymous No.3767001]

[Anonymous No.3767003]

>>3767001
Nice, your hair actually looks good here.

[Anonymous No.3767005]

>>3767003
They're not really differently made from usual.

[Anonymous No.3767216]

I've improved a ton lately I'm going to start taking commissions tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.3767219]

>>3767216
The hands looks like they belong to a totally different character.

[Anonymous No.3767293]

how do i make convincing clothing? it feels really bland and generic when i try illustrating folds from imagination

[Anonymous No.3767296]

>>3767293
Don't simply do it from imagination, use references to help.

[Anonymous No.3767330]

>>3766720
looks pretty good anon, however, depending on who's supposed to do the coloring that might make it shittier

[Anonymous No.3767335]

>>3767293
>6153x9394
what the fuck man

[Anonymous No.3767365]

>>3767335
i have a really bad problem of starting my drawings unplanned and zoomed out

[Anonymous No.3767366]

>>3767216
The hands are way off.
The fingers are way too bony and thin.
Hands on a muscular male should be thick.

[Anonymous No.3767401]

Altertism

[Anonymous No.3767411]

>>3767216
Sweet mother of lord! Drop everything your doing right now and practice drawing hands. Becose what you have right now is Junji Ito level of horror.

[Anonymous No.3767416]

Hi. New to the board. Sorry if this is not the right place to ask, didn't find a QTDDTOT thread. Also: I know barely nothing about illustration.

I've noticed some drawings which have really caught my eye because of how to color/shading looks. It reminds me of 3D renders, but they are actually illustrations. Did they actually start as 3D renders, and then drawn over? Or is this just a very elaborate shading practice that can be achieved without CG references?

Not critiquing, I think they look very catchy, I'm just a bit confused.

I'll post some examples by this artist.

[Anonymous No.3767419]

>>3767416

[Anonymous No.3767420]

>>3767411
Actually, that anon's are scarier.

[Anonymous No.3767421]

>>3767419

[Anonymous No.3767423]

>>3767421
This picture, for example, reminds me so much of those old Diablo II promotional CGIs.

[Anonymous No.3767426]

>>3767416
>>3767419
>>3767421
maybe not specifically what you're going for but there's this techniqe wherein you attempt to replicate the ambient occlusion pass of a 3d render as part of the process of building the shading on your figure/whatever other else work that might help you get closer to what you want

[Anonymous No.3767435]

>>3767426
Wow, that really looks 3d-like.

[Anonymous No.3767445]

>>3767426
wtf I love that, artist?

[Anonymous No.3767450]

>>3767219
>>3767366
>>3767411
I knew you turds would be jealous of me. No need to make it so obvious.

[Anonymous No.3767451]

>>3767450
Do you have a twitter or tumblr?

[Anonymous No.3767454]

>>3767450
Quit shitposting and start learning how to draw hands.

[Anonymous No.3767455]

>>3767445
@nbekkaliev on twitter, da and artstation

[Anonymous No.3767457]

>>3767426
i want a brush like this so bad, strong edges but blendable, anyone have something similar for CSP?

[Anonymous No.3767462]

>>3767457
i actually have his photoshop brushes from that gumroad but he doesn't tell you what they actually do so i just have like a dozen or so brushes of his and have no idea how they're intended to be used lol, but my guess is he's actually using multiple brushes to get that effect unfortunately

[Anonymous No.3767489]

>hates drawpile
>keeps fucking using it

[Anonymous No.3767491]

>>3767001
you did a great job, smurf.

[Anonymous No.3767510]

>>3767330

thanks, i take it you're referring to the size? the idea is to make a pocket sized coloring book for adults that like to do drugs

[Anonymous No.3767516]

hands are hard but they're worth it, r-right?

>>3767489
ohh nooonononooooo this is way too cute ;-;;

[Anonymous No.3767517]

left or right?

[Anonymous No.3767544]

>>3767517
neither

[Anonymous No.3767576]

>>3767517
better not use such dark colors for skin shadows

[Anonymous No.3767581]

>>3767576
shouldn't have used that background color with the lighting i had in mind when doing da legs

[Anonymous No.3767590]

>>3766830
You seem like you're roleplaying as your OC villain.

[Anonymous No.3767682]

>>3767450
yikes pfftthahahahaha

[Anonymous No.3767684]

>>3767489
cute mobrei!!

[Anonymous No.3767720]

>>3767457
I use CSP too and I've also been wondering how to get an effect like this. My general understanding of the process is that you put down a hard shape and then use the Water brush in Sai or other blending brushes to draw out the soft edge. I've experimented with a few things, the oil brushes, the 'smooth' watercolor brush, and the 'paint and apply' watercolor brush. I've had the closest desired effects using the blending tool though. You can add texture and shape variance to the blending tool too which would probably help.

[Anonymous No.3767816]

>>3767489
How do you even make actual drawings look good in it? Do you have any tricks to drawpile? It's crazy how people do actual drawings in flockmod and drawpile with it's wiggly lines.

[vu !d1jwGJruwE No.3767957]

>>3766960
you can find me on twitter @juste_VU

[Anonymous No.3768430]

not feeling too well as of late
>>3765030
really like your lines, what outfit is that though? also blog?
>>3766362
cute!!

[Anonymous No.3768432]

>>3767457
learn to use the mix ground settings or blur tool. it's a simple rendering thing, not much to do with brushes. he knows how to paint ao. you could use temp layers and a soft brush with the color picker to get a similar effect but taking longer

[Anonymous No.3768487]

>>3768432
oh wow i didn't know photoshop had a dedicated mixer brush under the flyout menu for the regular brush, shit, i gotta mess around with that some

[Anonymous No.3768524]

>>3768430
CUTE

[Chicocalte !4Ltr1vH/Dk No.3768598]

new thread >>3768596