Tradtional General

[Anonymous No.3752582]

Post your sketches, drawings, paintings, sculptures, and prints here

[Anonymous No.3752585]

whoa, not a nazi?

[Anonymous No.3752588]

>>3752585
what's this "Nazi" you speak of? I believe we killed all of those years ago.

[Anonymous No.3752594]

>>3752582
I finished this a few days ago, didn't post it though

[Anonymous No.3752598]

>>3752588
thanks allies, you the good guys

[Anonymous No.3752608]

>>3752594
>psychiatry patient tier mess
this is where you excell, Brian. art brut. always gets one or two mercy-likes.

[Anonymous No.3752613]

>>3752608
>always gets one or two mercy-likes.
ive transcended likes

[Anonymous No.3752625]

>>3752594
i like the egg with $5 on it very bad ass and cool

[Anonymous No.3752762]

[Anonymous No.3752809]

>>3752762
nice for a comic

[Anonymous No.3752819]

>>3752582

[Anonymous No.3752824]

>>3752582
Traditional art is dead

[Anonymous No.3752837]

>>3752762
blog? i like this kind of style

[Anonymous No.3752845]

>>3752824
Not even close

[Anonymous No.3752854]

>>3752845
Dude, trad can't compete with digital sharpness, color and performance. Nothing bad about it, it's natural progression.

[Anonymous No.3752856]

>>3752854
this isn't a blog post thread, this is a general... if you don't have traditional art to post don't post anything

[Anonymous No.3752863]

>>3752824
The Virgin digital "art"
>sterile
>lacks texture and feel
>uses digital shortcuts to mask poor composition and planning
>cheap
>disposable
>no physical original copy

>>3752845
The Chad Traditional Art
>no shortcuts, only knowledge of the medium and talent
>powerful
>instantly invokes thoughts and emotions
>earthy textures ground the viewer, yet still takes them to faraway places
>the higher investment in the piece increases it's value
>one of a kind
>physical, original copy exists

[Anonymous No.3752943]

Badass, a traditional art thread.

>>3752594
That's fucking wild. Nice.
>>3752762
The hero we deserve
>>3752819
Is that blended with a stump, or napkins? Either or, well done.

Hope you all don't mind an old fashioned slice of cheesecake thrown in the mix.

[Anonymous No.3753109]

>>3752943
Hey thanks man.
Blended with a chamois and a paintbrush.

[Anonymous No.3753123]

>>3752762
I love him. Got an insta?

Posted my grandma NPC in another thread, but I like her so I'm posting up here too. G bless anons

[Anonymous No.3753124]

>>3752824
Pencils + Copics.

[Anonymous No.3753159]

Vampirella cheesecake trad here.

>>3753109
Nicely done. Outside of an art class, it's nice to see blending like that, and to see it with a chamois and a paintbrush, that's something you can really appreciate. Never thought of using a paintbrush, I might have to give that a try on my work.
>>3753123
Pen and watercolor, right? How long did that take you to finish? Nice NPC, by the way,

[Anonymous No.3753160]

>>3753124
Drawn and colored single frame? Nice.

[Anonymous No.3753171]

>>3753124
Proof?

[Anonymous No.3753178]

>>3752854
You make it sound like evolution or something. It's just tools, new ones come and old ones still stick around. One is not better than the other, they are both great with their own pros and cons. I love them both equally but for different reasons and apply them to do different things. Not everything needs to be the "bad one" and the "good one". If it makes lines good that's good enough for me.

[Anonymous No.3753189]

>>3753178
Well said.

[Anonymous No.3753195]

>>3753171
The artist does his traditional drawings on stream.
You can also find the drawings themselves in the manga. This wasn't originally ment to be animated it's just a meme he likes to do with having each manga panel be treated like a frame of animation.

That's the only full color one I know of.

[Anonymous No.3753196]

>>3753171
Oh forgot to mention so you can google for yourself the artist is Yusuke Murata and the manga is One Punch Man's redraw.

[Anonymous No.3753197]

yeah sure. the pic is a lot darker than the painting irl. I'm still very inexperienced with oils but i love how intuitive trad painting feels to me compared to digital painting. Digital is a lot more convenient though.

[Anonymous No.3753204]

>>3753171
It's well know this artist works traditionally.

[Anonymous No.3753213]

>>3753195
It's called being good at action, conveying motion, and paneling lol. Something western capeshit could learn. That shit is so stiff and boring.

[Anonymous No.3753228]

>>3753213
Good ass bait my dude.

[Anonymous No.3753251]

>>3753159
Yup, I've had the sketch around for a few days but just a few hours (with drying) for the color.
Thanks by the way!
>>3753197
Nice reflections. Idk why but this is very comfy to me.

[Anonymous No.3753457]

>>3753197
Yeah, that shine is impressive as fuck, and with oils? Props. And look at how the canvas is showing through with the black background. Black gesso, I assume?
>>3753251
Just a few hours, from start to finish? That's inspiring. Well done.

[Anonymous No.3753528]

>>3753178
wrong. trad tools are superior just like a real piano is superior to a keyboard.

[Anonymous No.3753633]

>>3753159
Yeah, I’m using a monte something cheap synthetic brush.
It’s some trial and error, but essentially you are just pushing the graphite around and using light touches as the last thing you do.
I scrubbed a lot with the chamois.
Gonna use better paper next time. Look out for a skull:)

[Anonymous No.3753667]

>>3753633
Looking forward to it.

[Anonymous No.3753679]

>>3753457
Thanks very much friend. I'm still learning watercolor so I really appreciate the kind words!

[Anonymous No.3753688]

>>3753228
Well he is right to a certain extent. Manga puts much more emphasis on drawing action, probably because is not as constrained by page number. Though there are western artists who do nice actions scenes. Like Tradd Moore.

[Anonymous No.3753695]

>>3753195
He has other full colour paintings but they are mostly done for different cons and so on. It's too much work to do them for regular pages. Though he does colour covers for manga volumes.

Here is part of his work on the Metal Knight chapter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkauDuMSxW8

[Anonymous No.3753727]

>>3753528
Are you baiting me? You didn't make any points and all you gave was an analogy, that's just your opinion. Which I must repeat what I said earlier that they are equally unequal tools to get something done. I want a certain sound therefore I use this keyboard and when I want another kind I use this piano. Why does every literal thing we use need to be on a stack.

[Anonymous No.3753795]

yeah, why not: posting for the übermensch

[Anonymous No.3753802]

Here is a little "sketch" that i did an hour before to maintain the idea fresh before i do a full drawing

[Anonymous No.3753856]

>>3753679
Hey, keep at it. The more we can encourage each other to continue, the better.
>>3753795
Very nice pen work. I like the stubble work.
>>3753802
Can't wait to see what you have in store for the full drawing, that "sketch" is pretty dope.

[Anonymous No.3753857]

>>3753727
pleb

[Anonymous No.3753861]

>>3752837
>2.9 MB, 1849x1329)
i have an insta
@kennykomics

[Anonymous No.3754202]

>>3753802
Cool colors, looks like 3D without the glasses kinda.
>>3753795
This is nice, is this drawn really small? Either way gr8 work.

This is my new favorite thread. Old people and men, not an anime in sight.

[Anonymous No.3754211]

>>3753861
just follow you, honestly one of my favorite IG accounts now god speed.

[Anonymous No.3754328]

>>3754202
I think we can all appreciate the hard work each of us has put to our work, that's why the thread feels good, I think. No one's boasting about their work, we're not talking trash or belittling each other because from this >>3752594 to this >>3753802 , we can appreciate the hours we've selflessly put into the art, in into ourselves.

I read, "Not an anime in sight," and I stopped myself from uploading some of my classic anime work. haha

[Anonymous No.3754350]

>>3754328
Haha I'm just messin around with the anime shit, I just spent an hour drawing raiden from mgs.
Post it!!

Also yeah this is a pretty wholesome thread. If any of yall have IG accounts I'll happily follow.

[Anonymous No.3754368]

>>3752582
Too many lines coming down from cliff?

[Anonymous No.3754407]

>>3754368
Yeah, I think if you draw a few less lines, our minds can fill in the rest of the shape of the mountain. With those many lines, it makes the side of the mountain look like it has water crevasses dug in, and that's too much detail up close if the castle is far off in the distance.

Keep going though, anon. Keep drawing.

[Anonymous No.3754415]

[Anonymous No.3754518]

>>3754202
A few centimeters: about ten, more or less

[Anonymous No.3754524]

Doing random poses from imagination, haven't drawn in two years and I'm super rusty

[Anonymous No.3754529]

Look at the tradition!

[Anonymous No.3754530]

>>3754529
WOW such a fine tradition! Truly, it was a traditional thread

[Anonymous No.3754541]

>>3754524
I should post this garbage in /beg/

[Anonymous No.3754542]

>>3754541
You're drawing the hands big which is a good way to learn them faster, so keep doing that.

Here's a car

[Anonymous No.3754551]

one of my oil paintings. All of my works are disappointing but its so relaxing to do so whatever

[Anonymous No.3754556]

>>3754542
I love thiiiiissss instagram?

[Anonymous No.3754562]

>>3754551
I like how you illuminated the top part of the leaves, and the clouds are nice. It's the composition that leaves a bit to be desired, especially that airship squeezed between the leaves and the floating mountain.

Do you do black and white thumbnails before the painting? Something with like 3 or 5 tones. I do it for comics, it's really useful.

[Anonymous No.3754583]

>>3754551
I think if some of the ships were in perspective it would really add to the piece, maybe try doing some small sketches of that and see if it's manageable

[Anonymous No.3754616]

>>3754415
That's pretty neat. Is that just pencil you used?
>>3754524
>>3754541
It's been two years since you drew anything, don't shoot yourself in the foot by calling your work garbage. Shake off the cobwebs, you'll get back on track.
>>3754529
Nice Inktober. Got any more.
>>3754542
Nice car, nice snake.
>>3754551
Very relaxing, indeed.

[Anonymous No.3754626]

>>3754202
Thanks, I'm still trying to improve to not make the colors hard to look at
>>3753856
Thanks, i dont promise something good but at least i made it interesting, I'm also thinking about using water colors to make it so the lady is made from this saturated colors and the background in a opaque color

[Anonymous No.3754642]

>>3754616
Yep.....

[Anonymous No.3754885]

>>3754562
ill just do a light sketch for perspective of objects and figure out how ill do my light source. I really could refine this painting more. thanks for the comments anon

>>3754583
i think the perspective is ok but could use some work. sometimes i feel if i just add some more values it might fix it cause they look kinda flat

[Anonymous No.3754887]

>>3754885
Outstanding way of taking a critique, that's how its done.

[Anonymous No.3754893]

>>3754885
Do thumbnails, they're much more useful than sketches for figuring out composition

[Anonymous No.3756113]

Bump

[Anonymous No.3756834]

>>3752582
I have some blank cotton acrylic gessoed panel that warped in storage, any way to make them flat again? They were stored flat on their back but I guess it was the shrink wrap?

[Anonymous No.3757028]

Just a little sketch

[Anonymous No.3757138]

>>3756834
When you're ready to use them, I imagine you can place a couple of encyclopedias, dictionaries or something similar to flatten the wood back out to its original angle, I guess? The shrink wrap celophane's not that wound tight as to cause warp on the frame, moisture might have gotten to it. Try the books and place them all underneath the sun in a room, maybe the subtle heat will help.

>>3757028
Nice study, anon.

[Anonymous No.3758523]

Charcoal represent

[Anonymous No.3758529]

Fanart of Alex Ross' Wonder Woman, charcoal is my favorite

[Gabriel No.3758654]

FINALLY!
a thread I can call home

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[Gabriel No.3758705]

AHHHHHH
Fuckyeah
that was my traditional load for today
Hope you enjoyed
Keep up the good work of the Chad Traditional, pleyas

[Anonymous No.3758760]

this is charcoal bruh not that other gay shit

[Anonymous No.3758762]

>>3758705
that shit aint trad mfr

[Anonymous No.3758772]

>>3758523
>>3758529
Fucking nice charcoal, anons.

Gabriel, glad you found a place to share your work with like minded traditional fans, my man.

Keep up the great work, everyone. Hope to see more!

[Anonymous No.3758782]

Live studies with pencil, would love to see More live work around

[Anonymous No.3758783]

>>3758782

[Gabriel No.3758806]

>>3758772
Thank you so much, man!

[Gabriel No.3758814]

>>3758762
On the left is a ball point pen version with a gold cryola border
I copied it with my printer ( it's grayscale which is why the lines lost the color) and painted the rest with acrylics. I copied to not destroy the original.
If you look at the top of the right image you can see where the paper crinkled around from the water.

The only digital manipulation from everything I posted was done to the girls on :>>3758664
and >>3758674
I added a flat red on a blending mode in the shape of their cloths to give it some pop here's the version without it:

[Gabriel No.3758815]

>>3758782
>>3758783
Dope studies

[Anonymous No.3758821]

>>3758814
yeah.. traditional doesnt just mean physical dude

[Gabriel No.3758844]

>>3758821
I always considered Photocopy to be a function of traditional. In animation Xeros ( copying pencil line mechanically onto cel) has been used for a good part of the cel age but people only started referring to it as "digital" once they started scanning and digitally manipulating things in.
pics at >>3758664 & >>3758674 Are the only one scanned and tweaked later

It's understandable if you want to consider photocopy as non trad but that brings up the question of where's the line drawn.

[Anonymous No.3758855]

>>3758844
the line is drawn on what technique you are using, traditional art is perspective, realism, light control, representative art, like the tradition that painters followed for 600 years. not fucking anime

[Anonymous No.3758861]

>>3758814
>namefag
>talks loud

I don't like you, go away.

[Anonymous No.3758864]

Rip wholesome trad thread.

[Gabriel No.3758874]

>>3758855
shhh. don't call my work anime aloud. /a/ always listens. If you'll call a westerner's work anime like that the purity fags won't shut the fuck up.

>>3758861
Asking people not to do something is a real good way to get spited.

[Anonymous No.3758902]

here's a tiny Gogeta I did

[Anonymous No.3758929]

>>3758864
I've not even had a chance to post anything in here yet. Shame.

[Anonymous No.3758992]

This year I have decided to start translating what I have learnt so far drawing to painting. I am starting with gouache because it's very convenient.

[Anonymous No.3759021]

>>3758992
very nice my dude

[Anonymous No.3759156]

>>3759021
Thank you. Let's keep at it

[Anonymous No.3759159]

>>3758992
This is really very lovely, good work.
>>3758902
Teehee

[Anonymous No.3759190]

You killed my father, prepare to die.

[Anonymous No.3759203]

This was posted in the comission thread, my style is kinda similar so I was wondering if other /trad/fags think this skill level would be enough to start commissions? And does anyone of you guys also do/want to do commission? If so how much would/do you charge? Are you charging more because of material cost?

[Anonymous No.3759244]

>>3752863
Based AND Redpilled

[Anonymous No.3759507]

Bump

[Anonymous No.3759571]

>>3758874
Even if your post-processed anime could be considered traditional, your attitude is very "digital".

[Anonymous No.3759630]

>>3758902
Let me guess, your from latin america?

[Gabriel No.3759643]

>>3759571
>Digital attitude
I can't read your mind, You clearly hold a standard in your head for what's traditional and what not.

Can't tell for sure but the term you're looking for's probably "Classical Art"

[Anonymous No.3759667]

Started a large-ish painting, taking a break drawing

[Anonymous No.3759689]

did this fr the doodle for google contest

[Anonymous No.3759711]

>>3759689
>Drawing dicks on a google contest submission
The nuts on this fella

[Anonymous No.3759849]

>>3759689
what size was the original drawing?

[Anonymous No.3759934]

>>3754350
Here you go, I hope that Raiden drawing you are working on comes out great.

[Anonymous No.3759944]

>>3759849
takes up half of an 8x11 page

[Anonymous No.3759947]

>>3754529
Fap material

[Anonymous No.3760125]

Digital4life

[Anonymous No.3760182]

[Gabriel No.3760258]

>>3759934
Fuck me that's some good ass oldschool looking anime

[Anonymous No.3760259]

>>3759934
Tehe

[Anonymous No.3760380]

>>3759944
That's half of an 8x11? Holy shit, nice work on the detail.
>>3760182
That ninja's kicking some ass, choking a motherfucker. lol How long did that take you to draw? What tools did you use?
>>3760258
>>3760259
Thanks friends, to be quite honest, everyone in this thread has the ability to draw what they want. All it takes is hard work and practice.

[Anonymous No.3760451]

Why is this so lifeless?

[Anonymous No.3760464]

Jeremy Mann

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[Anonymous No.3760512]

Need help finding a painting. I feel it’s popular around here.

A lot of negative space
One man holding a torch walking a straight path
Surrounded my tall skeleton statues (the man looks like an ant)
Red tones
Traditional

Thanks in advance

[Anonymous No.3760541]

>>3760512

[Anonymous No.3760660]

>>3760451
Is this yours? The flatness of the colouring can be addressed by continuing with layers.
Your main problem is dreadful composition, and non-existent perspective (the yard is going up into the sky). Don't end the muzzle where the posts end on the ground and the yard floor starts, it's a very jarring point in the prime area of the picture frame.
If you want to paint a horse, ditch the surrounding, most of your picture is the yard outside. Look at how Munnings painted horses.

[Anonymous No.3760839]

Bust/relief I made yesterday in clay

[Anonymous No.3760861]

some inktober shit i did

[Anonymous No.3761302]

>>3760839
>>3760861
Very nice pieces, indeed.

God damn, this thread's showcasing some good stuff from ALL mediums. Killer.

[Anonymous No.3761304]

>>3760660
And we get great critiques. Keep up tge great work, everyone.

[Anonymous No.3761348]

>>3759203
>Ink work, where you can see the texture of the paper
Aww fuck, Iove shit like this.

[Anonymous No.3761359]

>>3759203
Also, I'm pretty sure you can do comissions at that point. But I'm not really sure about the priecing stuff. Do you know how much digital artist normaly take?

[Anonymous No.3761394]

Did a little warmup getting back into the medium.

[Anonymous No.3761397]

In studio landscape I'm working on

[Anonymous No.3761429]

#1

[Anonymous No.3761434]

>>3761429
#2

[Anonymous No.3761436]

>>3761434
#3

[Anonymous No.3761438]

>>3761436
#4

[Anonymous No.3761496]

>>3761436
i love figure drawings whats with the squiggles on the sides ? are you testing values or something

here a commission work I did in oils

[Anonymous No.3761498]

>>3752594
i liek this more than the tiddy drawing tbphwyf

[Anonymous No.3761513]

>>3759934
Blog?

[Anonymous No.3761619]

>>3761498
Where the fuck to you think you are?

[Anonymous No.3761625]

>>3761496
the last two I posted are more or less studies, I just added the squiggles to box the shape in

your commission is from an album or sth as well, no?

[Anonymous No.3761715]

>>3761625
yeah, its like 3 different bran new album covers combined and the client wanted sun flowers all over. not my favorite project but i needed some money

[Anonymous No.3761733]

>>3752943
what the fuck is going on with the arms here.

[Anonymous No.3762117]

ITT trad chads

[Gabriel No.3762136]

Old but I still like it

[Anonymous No.3762143]

>>3761496
Composition seems unfocused but that might be because it's a commission, but you need to work on not drawing symbols and use actual references for your work. Nice clouds though, they turned out pretty good.

[Anonymous No.3762145]

>>3758678
Clean fucking boxes anon.
>>3760496
DAYMn
>>3760490
This looks digital.


I only do traditional pencil, ink or gouache, but I feel /beg/ so I won't sully the thread.

[Anonymous No.3762195]

>>3761394
Damn, that's pretty good. It felt like a morning/sunset from inside the forest. That's cool as hell.
>>3761429
Nice crosshatching work.
>>3761496
I like how Death is just chilling there, waiting for the girl in the red sweater to land wrong on the floor and die—bitter contrast to the overall sunny flower theme to the painting. Nice.

>>3760839
How long does a clay sculpture like that take, in terms of hours?
>>3760541
Way to go on the response, on point.

How do you all feel about posting links to your works? Yay or nay?

[Anonymous No.3762223]

wanted to get into concept art for the longest time but 3 years into a viral porn image on my alternate twitter account and here i am drawing porn for a living, not saying i'm not grateful just feels like i'll never get where i wanted to be, and i never really learned how to do good chara designs since i only draw nudes

thanks for reading my blog

anyway heres a quick sketch

[Anonymous No.3762346]

>>3762195

This sculpture took about 3-4 hours to make

[Anonymous No.3762357]

Draw the man himself (study of Manet in my notebook)

[Anonymous No.3762636]

Better contribute something then. Painted this last night, 6x8 inches, oil. Limited palette, 1 red, yellow, & blue, plus white. Indian red plus cad lemon not the best for warm tones, DESU.

[Anonymous No.3762640]

>>3762636
I like it

[Anonymous No.3762690]

>>3762636
>cad lemon
May as well have used only burnt sienna and blue.

[Anonymous No.3762715]

>>3762640
TY
>>3762690
I used CLY, Indian red & FUB. How could I have gotten the greens, they'd all be inherently olive?
Anyway, the point was to teach discipline, as I tend to use different colours depending if I'm painting a still life, portrait or landscape, so add more & more colours to my palette.

[Anonymous No.3762736]

>>3762715
In a limited palette, you don't want to push the greens. You can't really compensate with warm colors. Nickel azo or even yellow ochre mixes balanced greens that play well with your warm earths. Shift your blue to iron blue or cobalt and you can get into garish territory. Or go for a middle yellow like benzimidazolone for more green without moving your blue.

It's really a question of whether you're limiting for the effects you get, say imitating the classical palette, or as a thought experiment.

[Anonymous No.3762761]

>>3762736
The one thing I'd add is that the minimum effective palette I've used that wasn't for some experimental analogous painting or exercise in limited gamut was 5 colors. The yellow ochre, burnt sienna, ultramarine works up to a point, but if you throw in a warmish yellow and a magenta or rose, you have some serious range. Then 5 became 10 when I threw in venetian red, viridian, and some other shit for mixing convenience and textural effects.

The point I'm trying to make is that you have to choose your paints carefully if you're going to limit yourself. Sticking to modern substitutions for the 8 pigments that made up 99 percent of art before 1850 isn't the worst way to limit yourself. Landscape, rock face, bowl of fruit, some rich bitch; it's all the same. But then I'm edging dangerously close to needing a larger travel palette, not counting the half pans I use to keep it from rattling around.

[Anonymous No.3762764]

working my way through this, the rest is pretty easy, should be able to block in the rest today and add highlights tomorrow

[Anonymous No.3762784]

>>3752585
worse.

[Anonymous No.3762821]

>>3762736
I already explained, I'm not limiting my ability to mix a variety of greens, but to stop myself dipping into a large variety of pigments from convenience.

[Anonymous No.3762826]

>>3762764
actually I think im done. I don't want to take focus away from the girl so im gonna leave everything how it is

[Anonymous No.3762843]

>>3762821
And I'm telling you that you picked the wrong paints to do that with. Switch to a warm or neutral yellow for sanity's sake.

[Anonymous No.3762865]

>>3762843
Kek, I normally don't use cad lemon, this was an exercise in using this particular palette.

[Anonymous No.3762869]

>>3760660
Oh I realized the perspective was fucked half way through, wasn't fixing that shit. I'm not a fan of putting your subject dead center of the image. The composition was based off this old photo I took. I think fucked me was trying to take a rectangular reference and converting it to the square canvas I had. Good points Though.

[Anonymous No.3762884]

>>3762865
Fair enough, I've done it. Try some kind of maroon or violet, cerulean, and raw umber some time. That shit is a mindfuck.

[Anonymous No.3762915]

>>3762826
Very pretty

[Anonymous No.3764822]

bump

[Anonymous No.3764856]

Having me drill lay ins at the atelier where I study.

[Anonymous No.3764900]

[Anonymous No.3764907]

unfinished sketch from a little while back, liked it until I spilled coffee on it. rip

[Anonymous No.3765228]

>>3753688
'not restricted by page number'

unless you're a shitty weekly serialized manga that only gets 20 pages per chapter.

[Anonymous No.3765247]

>>3759630
negative chief, regular old USA for me

[Anonymous No.3765484]

>>3762869

Why didnt you just paint the horse’s head on a warm toned background? The environment adds nothing, i would even say it’s detrimental

[Anonymous No.3765957]

Working on my heads in charcoal

[Anonymous No.3766209]

I've been visiting /ic/ since I was 13. I'm 26 now, why do I still come here?

pic is WIP

[Anonymous No.3766376]

>>3765484
I'd of rather painted the barn than the horse. it's more of a prop to explain the setting. But the reason I painted it at all was because I thought it would be difficult.

[Anonymous No.3766473]

working on this

[Anonymous No.3766662]

Rate my big iron I started it a day ago

[Anonymous No.3766691]

>>3766473
you shouldn't concentrate on one area at a time, you want the entire image to develop slowly over time.

[Anonymous No.3766694]

>>3766691

just let him polish his pooplings. (he doesn't listen logical thinking)

[Anonymous No.3766695]

>>3766662
5.5 /10

[Anonymous No.3766707]

>>3766694
idk whats wrong with how I work if the end result comes out cool

[Anonymous No.3766718]

>>3766707
nah you're still doing that lazy texture dab. it looks tacky and dirty, fabric doesn't have that texture. you can call it style, but its really just a choice of refusing to observe what is tedious, and we can all agree, painting fabric is tedious and difficult, especially grabbing the texture of it. also your skin tone in very inconsistent.

[Anonymous No.3766721]

>>3762145
Not digital

[Anonymous No.3766724]

WIP

[Anonymous No.3766892]

>>3766724
Little update:)

[Anonymous No.3766893]

>>3766892
Oops, forgot image

[Anonymous No.3768327]

>>3766724
>>3766893
Hey, you came back with the skull drawing, nice. Still using the chamois to blend in the background?

[Anonymous No.3768330]

>>3766893
cringe

[Anonymous No.3768462]

>>3752594
I unironically love this. I'm getting hits of Bosch, Kim Deitch, and Kandinsky from it.

[Anonymous No.3768563]

>>3753197
I like it, keep working.

[Anonymous No.3768576]

>>3762869
There’s warm and cold tones in the brown background. You could use raw umber (cold) and burnt umber (warm).
The colour of the horse is more intense or deep. You should work more detailing in the grid.
Otherwise it is pretty good for a beginner.

Tip: study colour theory.

[Anonymous No.3768580]

>>3766691
That isn’t true. Processes differ.

[Anonymous No.3768644]

[Anonymous No.3768646]

[Anonymous No.3768649]

[Anonymous No.3768651]

[Anonymous No.3768661]

>>3752582
WIP

updated

a lot of these dont fit the usual definition of "traditional", is it just supposed to mean "not digital" to you fucks now?

[Anonymous No.3768662]

>>3768661
forgot image

[Anonymous No.3768666]

>>3768661
That’s exactly what it means

[Anonymous No.3768719]

>>3752582
I'm trying to figure out how do different paper types work.
I got textured paper block but it actually feels worse than mostly smooth one? I mean it's getting more pigment or pencil but I can't blend on it that well? It also doesn't retain water. Mediums: pencils, watercolor pencils with a brush and soft pastels. Also thin markers (pigma mikron sakura, rather premium here).

Are there any guides, videos or whatever on paper and its properties ?

Also on color mixing the mediums I mentioned earlier.

[Anonymous No.3768755]

>>3768666
this is the degeneracy that digital art has caused. any surrealist or pop art shit that was done on paper is now "traditional". okay if you were to say "traditional medium" that could work but otherwise thats stupid. digital art gets too much attention here

[Anonymous No.3768759]

>>3768755
“Traditional art” is a term widely used to describe art created with traditional media. Like very widely used, within many circles and classes of artists. Do you get out much or talk to anyone at all?

[Anonymous No.3768760]

>>3768755
>digital art gets too much attention here
I think majority of the posters here are underage and not really attending any courses, classes etc. They just want to imitate their favourite deviantart artists. Traditional mediums might be too expensive for them, too. For digital, all you need is a tablet for 50$ and a computer. For classical you need to go to a store and buy stuff that costs.

Also this is too meta: focus on answering people who posted their works.

[Anonymous No.3768887]

>>3768719
Texture can create interesting effects with watercolor and pastel.

If you're interested in a highly-finished look, texture is a meme.

[Anonymous No.3768892]

>>3768644
>>3768646
>>3768651

What method do you use to keep your perspective curves consistent? Is it just lots of practice?

[Anonymous No.3768949]

>>3768666
Nice one, Satan. Trips of truth.

>>3758760
>>3768662
Fix that hand while you still can. And what am I looking at here, a head just magically appearing out of a void of darkness, or did you forget to take into account the folds on the shirt, which no amount of kneaded eraser can erase now?

>>3768755
Any competent charcoal artist would have anticipated drawing in the shirt with the proper lighting and folds BEFORE darkening it in like you did. Not even a white china marker will save that.

And to reiterate on the hand, take a real good look at that. Where the hell is the back of the hand, in conjunction to the wrist? Do the fingers just, biologically appear out of the wrist, just like the head pops out of that dark void, somehow?

For someone who boasts about "muh charcoal" skills, your mistakes show through just like any other beginner. Fix your fucking mistakes, keep your mouth shut and post your shit without coming off as some Charcoal Guru.

[Anonymous No.3768951]

>>3762826
looks good. do you use photo ref?

[Anonymous No.3768957]

>>3766691
this isn't good advice. Kind of dumb. Particularly when you're talking about paint. Skin tones require their own palette pretty much. Why the fuck would you want a bunch of background colors playing at the same time as you're working on skin tones?

And why would you jump from skin tones to bg/clothes then back to skin tones just in the interest of "developing the entire image" at once?

Plus when you're doing portraits or tiddy paintings, the subject is the important thing. Why waste your good effort on the supplemental shit?

[Anonymous No.3768962]

>>3768957
Neither is yours. Your kindergarden finger paints SCREAM out your advice.

[Anonymous No.3768971]

>>3768957
>>3768862
>>3768962

NEW POLL

the memeschlock trashman has voted for himself almost 50 times.

This poll only allows one vote per visitor:

>Do you want Jimmy (memeschlock) to fuck off and stop shitposting outside of his containment thread?
VOTE

https://linkto.run/p/82TZQ8DD

[Anonymous No.3768985]

>>3768949
Yeah that plus just thinking about the theory and trying to understand the relationships between the lines, what’s consistent, what changes and why? Still a long way to go, working on rotating shapes in this style instead of having everything parallel

[Anonymous No.3769046]

>>3768327
Yes but hadn’t done it on those two.
This one I did but I ended up messing up a few places cause the chamois isn’t precise enough for detail, and the brush isn’t stiff enough. Maybe I should try a bristle brush. I should use a bristle bright.
I’m starting to see that I gotta be patient and treat drawings like paintings I guess (haven’t really painted yet) and plan it out and do it in stages and take notes if it’s a pre painting sketch.
I keep shilling this drawing but I can’t help it, it’s the best I’ve done so far and I’m kinda proud of it.
That’s kinda embarrassing for some reason.

P.s. this is a good thread to post this info in...
So I’m using Stonehenge aqua hot press watercolor paper for this drawing and it isn’t turning out like I thought.
The paper fuzzes easily and has random grainy spots that are annoying and it cannot stand up to erasing hardly at all.

I went to wet canvas and found a thread where dedicated drawers mentioned a paper called conqueror. It’s made in the UK and I guess it super smooth, super white, super tough, can stand up to erasing a ton, and takes graphite easily making details and darks an easy task.
The guys in the UK use 90lb.


Only one seller in the U.S.

You gotta specify the weight and size and all that, but imma try it out and report back.

Gonna get the Diamond white.
Cx22 surface (smooth)
118c (weight 320gsm)

It’ll be a week or so before I order but I will let you trad chads know what’s up.

I guess all the dedicated UK guys swore by a certain paper ( I forget the name), saying it beat arches, fabriano, all of them!
But then it got discontinued. But the conqueror paper is the equivalent and now some artist uses his website to sell individual sheets to artists in the UK from the bulk orders the factory sells.
So, in other words, it looks to be good stuff.

[Anonymous No.3769051]

>>3768755
On this board trad means non digital.
No biggie.

[Anonymous No.3769185]

>>3768755
I got annoyed by that when I first started posting here too. Like the idea that a bunch of shitty acrylic paintings of 4chan memes and reaction images were getting called "traditional" seemed doofy

[Anonymous No.3769200]

>>3768957
Well to begin with you shouldn't have that wide of a pallet, I think convectional wisdom is 3 to 5 colors. You do it so you can develop constancy throughout the entire painting, It's the old "draw the eye first" problem, eyes look great but now you have to change the orientation of the head to match them.
So, you go, under drawing big to small, then under-painting (if you do any), all the darks, all the mid-tones, all the highlights, then polish. Always Big to small.

[Anonymous No.3769209]

>>3768962
>Neither is yours. Your kindergarden finger paints SCREAM out your advice.
So your argument is ad hominem? You gonna attack pict related when post nothing? You literally have nothing to show for yourself and you're giving painting advice?

Post a single painting you've ever done in your entire dang life. If you had any experience with that shit you'd pretty quickly learn that your advice wasn't practical and is even kind of self-sabotaging. Having more wet areas on the canvas at once creates more opportunities for fuck ups. Having a ton of colors playing on the palette at the same time creates more opportunities for fuck ups. Doing the background first often makes it harder to the subject without getting skin tones on the background and then having to touch up the background with more paint later. Using a ton of different colors at the same time means you gotta constantly be switching brushes or spending time cleaning brushes. There are so many reasons that when it comes to painting, particularly portraits, that you kind of often SHOULD concentrate on one area at a time. There are a lot of reasons why you don't necessarily want to "develop the entire image slowly over time."

[Anonymous No.3769235]

>>3769200
>Well to begin with you shouldn't have that wide of a pallet, I think convectional wisdom is 3 to 5 colors.
Yeah and the colors you use to build flesh tones are generally pretty different from the ones you use for a background or clothes. Like looking at >>3766707 looks like Bri guy used some of that blue in the background in the shadows on the skin and eyes and stuff, but like if you're working on something with a lot of weird secondary colors like green, or like black, even having that shit on the palette when you're doing skin is risky. Any of that makes it way into the goop and it gets all dirty and muddy.

That's my speariance at least. Like it's one thing if the background/clothes have the same/similar colors as what you're using for skin tones, then yeah just spiral out with the leftover paint and do the background and "develop the whole image slowly over time" or whatever. But the idea that you should set out to be hopping around and shifting focus and changing brushes back and forth just cuz isn't good advice.
>It's the old "draw the eye first" problem, eyes look great but now you have to change the orientation of the head to match them.
my meme is generally do a 2-second loomus ball then I start with an eye and adjust the loomis ball if I drew the eye a little too big or small, and then the proportions are kind of locked in from there and just build out.
>So, you go, under drawing big to small, then under-painting (if you do any), all the darks, all the mid-tones, all the highlights, then polish. Always Big to small.
yes to all of this.

[Anonymous No.3769318]

Somehow, Reeves managed to upstage Dracula... just a quick sketch today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFsUH4apRB4

[Anonymous No.3769350]

Dracul 92.

[Anonymous No.3769481]

>>3769235
It's not like mixing paint is hard. You lay your flats and come back for the rest, not finish one part surrounded by white. That's recipe for all the bad ends in this thread.

[Anonymous No.3769567]

>>3769200
>So, you go, under drawing big to small, then under-painting (if you do any), all the darks, all the mid-tones, all the highlights, then polish. Always Big to small.
here's what a gesso and then it ended up being 3 colors with like 4 new ones rotated in. Prussian Blue, Violet, Magenta, Crimson Red, Rose, Neon Pink. Next I'm thinking I may finna do some more blekk, mauve,submarine blue on the ol jacket there.
>>3769481
>It's not like mixing paint is hard
I'm an every part of the buffalo type of feller. All paint gets used.
>You lay your flats and come back for the rest, not finish one part surrounded by white.
I mean you can. I used to. I've been doing a gesso layer and a bunch of underpainting layers like on pict related. Did all the meat colors and had a fag and a cigarete.
>That's recipe for all the bad ends in this thread.
I feel like it depends on time concerns and how long you think you're going to be practically interested in continuing to work on it, particularly if it's not for anyone or anything. Like yeah if someone is like, you have an hour to make a painting, then yeah you can't obsess about only building values on the skin tones or whatever.

But when you look at works in progress paintings from le masters and other famous types, they often would spend fucking FOREVER on the subject and as an afterthought draw in a quick deformed dog or whatever.

[Anonymous No.3769575]

>>3769481
here is maybe my least favorite of my paintings, and one of the major reasons I hate it is that I DIDN'T first focus on nailing the most important part, the faces. Instead I spent like 5 hours or something just painting and learning how to paint the bike and the jackets and stuff, and then when I tried to fuck with the faces at the end of the day I made bad decisions with dirty brushes. At the end of the day all the labor on the supplemental shit doesn't matter because the first thing the eye is drawn to is the aggressive black paint mess all over the skin tones.

If you're painting a person as the subject of the painting, I think it's better to expend your better efforts on the subject. Because then even if you drunkenly phone in the back half or just space out or get lazy at the end of the day, at least then you're just fucking up clothes or trees or background doggies or whatever.

[Anonymous No.3769581]

>>3769575
Time is nothing to me and I do watercolor with a blowdryer in one hand. It takes the time it takes. I WANT to hate it by the end.

[Anonymous No.3769635]

>>3769575
why didn't you just go back and re-paint the faces?

[Anonymous No.3769681]

>>3769635
idk it's some kind of masochism thing. It means more to me as a monument to my mistake than I think it would if I went back and worked on it. The feelings I got and had and the scents that I knew I was driving off the cliff and tried to make it work anyway idk. Using black on skin tones by that point had become something I just did when I started to get bored or frustrated or started to dislike the painting. And that painting was kind of a crescendo or low point or whatever.

Not that I'm not going to work on it again at some point.

First 15 are posted on muh instagram and you can see all the blackness memes. https://www.instagram.com/watchpaintdrytv/
>>3769567

[Anonymous No.3769701]

>>3769635
did a revisit on the black paint on skin tones meme like a fortnight ago

[Anonymous No.3769924]

>>3769046
Fuck all that noise about paper, switch to charcoal immediately. It's better suited for the type of work you're doing. It will behave well on many kinds of paper. I used it mostly on newsprint so I could be not too precious about the work. Pic is from '15. Best part about charcoal is that you can work faster.

You want prang medium hardness wrapped charcoal pencils. Use sandpaper to sharpen/shape them. They break in shipping a lot, but the unbroken ones are so good they're worth it.

Also,keep going, you're on your way.

[Anonymous No.3769926]

>>3769046
One on nicer paper (rives bfk? It was long ago now).

Graphite is useful for planning and portable sketching. For finished serious studies, charcoal BTFOs graphite in almost any given category imo.

[Anonymous No.3769940]

>>3769926
I hear both of you guys.
As I understand, modern ateliers start you with pencil and then move you to charcoal as a natural progression on the way to oils.

I guess I am just fascinated with this pencil stage and the control I am starting to have over it.
These next two pics, obviously one is a magnification of the same, was done with a pencil.
It’s just incredible and I have till spring to draw then I’ll start some oils.

[Anonymous No.3769941]

>>3769940

[Anonymous No.3769944]

>>3769924
Look at how shitty the texture of this paper is becoming.
Ahhhhh!
Oh well. Gonna get that paper and see what’s up.

[Anonymous No.3769948]

>>3769944
Granted I’ve somewhat upset the balance of values but that has happened as I work on it, but the fucking graininess is making it look like shit.

But I did recently read Stonehenge has a lot more texture in their hot press. Oh well ylyl..

[Anonymous No.3770036]

>>3769350
What would Mr. Churchill think...

[Anonymous No.3770566]

>>3769941
>>3769940

I'm 99% confident that's charcoal.

[Anonymous No.3770572]

>>3766707
this painting is very different now

[Anonymous No.3771263]

>>3770566
Look up Amanda gurpile on instagram.
I’m pretty sure it’s generals pencil.
Freaking crazy man.
Here’s the latest iteration of the lexicon and skull.
I’m sorry I’m shilling this so much, but I cannot help myself:)

[Anonymous No.3771266]

>>3770572

It's still not very good though

[Anonymous No.3771273]

>>3769200
Why do you fucking reply to him, stop

[Anonymous No.3771302]

trying to get back into it

[Anonymous No.3771310]

Anyone read this new book by David Cannadine?
https://www.the-american-interest.com/2019/01/15/churchills-canvases/

[Anonymous No.3773306]

>>3752943
arms look retarded bro, also it looks like her face is 90% forehead

[Anonymous No.3773383]

Hope to be selling larger paintings to rich white folk in the future. Am I on the right path or is impressionism out of style?

[Anonymous No.3773385]

Charcoal

[Anonymous No.3773405]

>>3770036
He'd appreciate it, for sure. It's imperfect, and in a good way.
>>3770572
Much like the poster I replied to above, the imperfection of the painting gives it that appeal, probably to the point where you can put this out on display, and have someone pay a good price for it.
>>3771263
Be proud of the work, but don't linger on too much to the point you'll be adding little details to it say, six months from now. Move on to the next drawing, and you'll enjoy that one just as much, if not more. It's come along great, that's for sure.
>>3771302
Get back on the horse and enjoy the grind. Fill that sketchbook up with a good amount of drawings for a few weeks and you'll start to develop your skills again. I hope you'll post more up when it becomes available.
>>3773306
I can see the mistakes now, thanks for that. I gave that commission away so, I'll be sure to remember that advice and apply it to the next one. Thanks for the critique, I appreciate it.
>>3773383
That style of painting is still very much in demand, despite you probably being told differently. There are people who still pay top dollar for work like that, just be sure to seek them out in your area, or talk to a gallery curator to see if they can hook you up with information on whom and where to sell your paintings.

[Anonymous No.3773410]

>>3773385
Very nice. I hope you take this as a compliment, but that's nightmare fuel inducing. You captured some macabre by not adding any detail to the face at all, well done.

[Anonymous No.3773425]

>>3773405
I’ll be done when the teeth, under the left eye socket, and temporal bone are done, and when I’m satisfied with the values.
Not sure why I would be in a hurry.
Atelier courses have people drawing 3 to 4 drawings a year.
I got all winter, until it’s warm enough to consistently have my windows open, to just draw.
I’m learning to see better and control my medium better every time I walk up to my easel.
Speed isn’t a concern of mine.

[Anonymous No.3773479]

did a self portrait in acrylics

[Anonymous No.3773483]

>>3771263
>dat teeth anxiety
>will eventually have to bite the bullet
ironic

[Anonymous No.3773493]

>>3773479
woooow brian! youre still really bad

[Anonymous No.3773706]

How soon can/should I varnish an oil painting?

[Anonymous No.3773723]

>>3773479
You look like an uglier Eric Wareheim and I didn’t know that was possible

[Anonymous No.3773728]

>>3773425
No disrespect intended, take all the time you need. Maybe I should do the same.

What's the rush, right?

[Anonymous No.3773729]

>>3773479
See, this is alright. I'd rather see this, than the memeshlock any day.

Nice work.

[Anonymous No.3773825]

Is making a color chart every couple of years as important as Richard Schmid says? I last made one in high school and it was a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.3773845]

Drew some of my friends

[Anonymous No.3773856]

>>3773845
where did you meet them

[Anonymous No.3773864]

What are good brushes? I like impasto but my shit just looks messy and goopy.

[Anonymous No.3773879]

>>3758902
you have a nice style for web animation if that makes sense

[Anonymous No.3773880]

>>3773479
>that hairline

[Anonymous No.3773916]

>>3752943
go back to /beg/

[Anonymous No.3773918]

I know this is /beg/ tier. Also it is not a political statement, I don't hate Trump or think he's evil, I just like to make art.

[Anonymous No.3773931]

>>3773918
It doesn’t look like trump tho

[Anonymous No.3774176]

>>3773931
I know, that's why I said it's /beg/ tier.

[Anonymous No.3774180]

5
▲ ¤▲

[Anonymous No.3774235]

>>3773918
Trump has a fatter face than you think he might be, make sure you roughly measure the proportions as a /beg/.

[Anonymous No.3774268]

I just spent $800 on a beautiful painting of a nude woman holding a flowing vase. I got it from a state sale from an old man who died and was a collector

[Anonymous No.3774373]

>>3773728
Sorry for the forceful comeback.
I do apologize for real.
I just have this feeling that as I keep finishing this particular drawing I’m entering stages of learning I could not buy starting another drawing before this one is done.
Please accept my sincere apology.
It’s like, ad I get deeper into the values and the more I fuck up, the more I not only learn to rescue this drawing, but see what I need to plan for in order for the next drawing to be successful.
But I do know your advice was filled with right intentions, and who knows, maybe right, flat out instruction.
I frankly don’t know.
Not sure if my stubborn ego is at play:)

[Anonymous No.3774374]

>>3774373
Here’s the latest cause my vanity:)

[Anonymous No.3774662]

>>3773918
thought it was Eminem from the thumbnail

[Anonymous No.3774666]

>>3773864
its not just about the brush, its about how you use it, the quality of the paint and the medium you use

[Anonymous No.3774675]

>>3774235
Good tip Anon

[Anonymous No.3774692]

>>3774268
Post it!

[Anonymous No.3774769]

Made this last year, got a reference but still the best shit I've ever made

[Anonymous No.3775484]

>>3773706
I've seen 6 months, but if someone wants my painting right away, do I leave it up to them to varnish it?

[Anonymous No.3775488]

>>3775484
In general, no. Don't assume a buyer knows anything about varnishing and will be willing to finish your work.

[Anonymous No.3775492]

>>3775484
Also I've heard it depends on how thick your paint is. Apparently if your paint application is thin you might be able to varnish after a week or so.

[Anonymous No.3775601]

>>3765957
gorgeous

[Anonymous No.3775608]

>>3752854
If youre looking for clarity & sharpness just move to photography.

[Anonymous No.3775610]

>>3752845
soul
>>3752854
soulless

[Anonymous No.3775657]

>>3775610
Yup

[Anonymous No.3775662]

>>3775610
you're a fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.3775670]

drew these quickies in detention. i know i fucked up short hair's eyes

[Anonymous No.3775685]

>>3754368
/beg/

[Anonymous No.3775686]

>>3770572
How much do you want for that?

btw anons, I'll be lingering on /ic/ to buy some art for a bit.

[Anonymous No.3775711]

>>3770572
The 3766707 version looks better. I’m guessing that’s the real paint version. The box behind was better composition and perhaps the other version was cleaner. This is just my opinion. Sometimes we overwork something or change it in a way that isn’t as well executed, but doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing, we have to press on and make mistakes before we get better at that next step. This is only advice/opinion maybe others think it’s better. But I don’t want to discourage you from trying to do more to your paintings just because it seems like it didn’t work out this time because by pushing further and doing more even though it might change the painting for the worse, you were learning and going past your working comfort zone.

[Anonymous No.3775781]

>>3775686
>>3773383
what are you looking to buy? Why come to /ic/?

[Anonymous No.3775816]

>>3773706
>>3775484
This guy is a conservator for MOMA you should listen to what he has to say about varnish 20:48
https://youtu.be/3Q2GDI673lo?t=1248

[Anonymous No.3775827]

clay sculpture i made last year

[Anonymous No.3775829]

another angle

[Anonymous No.3775881]

>>3768949
okay there faggot since you keep going on about "forgetting not to draw the lighting on the shirt", THERE IS NO LIGHT ON THE SHIRT IN THE PHOTO YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER, it's in darkness and so its drawn in darkness. as for the arm and hand i haven't finished the arm, the position of the hand is adjusted in progress but not much, and is in acceptable alignment with the photo. so no, i didnt 'forget' that you cant erase to perfect white, but also if you were half of the critic or artist you pose as you would realise that i could easily make it white with a layer of fixative and a WHITE PIECE OF PASTEL SHITHEAD :D!!!!

so in conclusion, your first criticism is ignorant that the source is in harsh lighting where almost all the shirt is black, and the hand isn't developed because i haven't worked on it yet. Now please, post your work and if it's actually any good i'll suck your dick.

[Anonymous No.3775882]

>>3768759
i talk to stupid fuckin artists all the time, trust me. just doesn't make them correct. there are still people with brains who understand that fucking Kandinsky is not "traditional"


fagoot

[Anonymous No.3775883]

>>3768949
just to reiterate, post without your work again and ill bash your brains in with a soup ladle

[Anonymous No.3776092]

>>3775882
get on with the times grandpa, the meaning of words change. What was modern art 300 years ago isn't modern art today.
And I've never heard anyone use traditional to describe art unless they were talking about the medium, like we are in this thread

[Anonymous No.3776736]

>>3775827
how did this not explode in the kiln?

[Anonymous No.3777066]

>>3775781
I'm looking to buy oil paintings.