Animation Bread

[Anonymous No.3715038]

>Animation Thread Discord

https://discord.gg/Ju9NuWN

>Books, Basic Program Tutorials etc.

https://mega.nz/#F!M8s0XYjB!mo_9uNAKJUnVD3Ne9X9vgg (NEW)
https://mega.co.nz/#F!3p8CwQZD!DR2mC-kw0TyQQ8Uw3T6JYg

>Reference Material

http://www.referencereference.com/
https://vimeo.com/groups/aniref
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRvspTjApofA2Yg3i10gTdQ
http://www.rhinohouse.com/

Anime .gif/.webm repository

https://sakugabooru.com/post

http://www.animatorisland.com/51-great-animation-exercises-to-master/

Stoyboard & composition: http://www.floobynooby.com/comp1.html

Play Youtube videos frame-by-frame

http://rowvid.com/
or just pause the video and use the , and . keys (This doesn't always work but worth a try)

Kinovea video file frame-by-frame analysis
https://www.kinovea.org/

[Anonymous No.3715413]

Are there any tutorials that explain the logic behind 80s anime lenseflare shines or is it something everyone just eyeballs like those anime dust clouds and explosions every animator started putting in their portfolios.

[Anonymous No.3715465]

>>3715413
You just answered your own question... (without even having a question mark in your post)

[Anonymous No.3715801]

>>3715038
What should I improve on?

[Anonymous No.3716209]

>>3715801
biggest note i have is that the hand coming out has no overlap or anticipation. the only sense of anticipation is the arm going into the ground. you need that extra bit of overlap to really sell that speeding hand, otherwise it looks really linear and choppy. i think you need a couple more frames in general, the smears aren't selling the motion to me. some other quick notes:
>all extremes need to be exaggerated more
>more arcing motion into arm going down
>body should help push arm into ground, looks really stiff without any other movement
>foreshortening on arm feels off

[Anonymous No.3717215]

>>3715801
is that one of those dildo things

[Anonymous No.3717222]

an animation thread on /ic/? noice

[Anonymous No.3717353]

I want to rotoscope on AnimateCC but the program keeps crashing.

[Anonymous No.3717457]

>>3717353
Do NOT rotoscope anon, unless you're rotoscoping a mechanical object from a 3D model that YOU made

[Anonymous No.3717640]

>>3717457
Its not like i want to animate something professionally right now, i just want to trace an opening with other characters.

[Anonymous No.3717955]

>>3717640
NO!

[Anonymous No.3717978]

Trying to animate on my phone

[Anonymous No.3717990]

>>3717978

[Anonymous No.3717995]

>>3717457
Rotoscoping is an alright tool for learning

[Anonymous No.3718834]

>>3717995
I'm not so sure, it's a good tool for learning if you want to learn how to animate realistic movement, but cartoon characters move nothing like real people, you're supposed to capture the essence of the movement with slight/extreme exaggerations

[Anonymous No.3718837]

>>3718834
then you can rotoscope cartoons. its a learning tool

[Anonymous No.3718856]

is this useful as a study? not same guy btw just always loved how water moves

[Anonymous No.3718865]

is this useful as a study? not same guy btw just always loved how water moves

[Anonymous No.3718900]

>>3718865
I guess so. I dont think youre really understanding the form of it though and just mindlessly tracing abstract shapes

[Anonymous No.3719093]

I should use flipnote 3D more

[Anonymous No.3719137]

[Anonymous No.3720645]

>>3719093
>>3719137

Why are you writing the number of each frame?

[Anonymous No.3720919]

>>3720645
It's what they teach you to do traditionally. Saves getting cels mixed up (on paper at least) and annotating for inbetweens more easily.

[Anonymous No.3721209]

>>3717990
sausage desk

[Anonymous No.3721249]

>>3721209
??

[Anonymous No.3721453]

>>3719137
Hey, I've seen this on pan pizza or LMW discord if I remember.

[Anonymous No.3721486]

does anyone remember the name of the program the was essentially a asian tweening program and was used in the futanari vn highschool vn as well as that apple/snow white animation

[Anonymous No.3721565]

>>3715038
Is there a 64-bit version of the TV Paint?

[Anonymous No.3721717]

Anyone got tips for traditional animation? I'm thinking of using tracing paper so I can see the "frame" below. I'm too poor for any digital animation tools.

[Anonymous No.3721845]

what do you guys think?

[Anonymous No.3721871]

>>3721845
work on your spacing

[Anonymous No.3721890]

Anyone recommend an animation program for iOS/an iPad Pro?

[Anonymous No.3722271]

Yo boys, do you guys have playlists on fan made anime?
I see a lot of western animation on youtube ( maybe because it's a lot less time consuming to produce) but it's kinda hard to find some anime style animations made by a small team or even one person alone.
Link me some! Thanks!

[Anonymous No.3722400]

>>3718900
it was a rough pass, twatbag

[Anonymous No.3722411]

>>3722400
im not sure you understand what a rough pass is besides you wouldnt rough pass a rotoscope, you may aswell trace it as a clean pass because all the work has been done for you

[Anonymous No.3722531]

>>3721890
folioscope is pretty fun for quick basic stuff, it's hard to draw with your finger but it's probably easier if you have that pencil

[Anonymous No.3722580]

Hey guys, serious question, what is the proper way to zoom into something in traditional (or at least non-computer/vector) animation? How is it possible to have virtually no differences in relative line placement while smoothly zooming in?

Pic related is just one example of a zoom-while-talking shot.

For example at 0:11 in this video, we see the camera zoom into Mr. Popo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyKwyAWJZcI

How is that possible to maintain such perfection?

[Anonymous No.3722583]

>>3722580
you can just do it in compositing with after effects or somethin. Dont know how that example was done probably some archaic equipment that slowly raised the paper closer to the line tester but why would you want to do that when you have modern tools

[Anonymous No.3722687]

>>3722583
Okay, I guess I'll use more modern tools. What do you mean by "compositing with after effects"?

Do you just mean, first make the highest resolution still image you can, and then apply a zoom in with after effects or some other program, and extract each frame from that? Seems okay. Guess I just need to figure out a way to streamline that.

[Anonymous No.3722696]

[Anonymous No.3722725]

>stare at blank project
>animate a punch
errytime

[Anonymous No.3722739]

>>3722580
I always figured they copied the picture a bunch of times, and then slowly cut off the edges while resizing in some program to give the effect of zooming. But that would require a scanner, printer, and computer. I have no idea, then.

[Anonymous No.3722741]

>>3722725
wanna work on a game with me? I'm making a fighting game and would love someone to help teach me animating punches and shit.

[Anonymous No.3722789]

>>3722725
Tried something to make it look more weighty.

>>3722741
I can try to give you some tips on whatever you're working on, but i'm not much of a teacher. Pretty new to this myself.

[Anonymous No.3722790]

>>3722789
forgot gif

[Anonymous No.3722795]

>>3722789
>>3722790
the fact that you made that puts you ahead in skill to me lol
I'm used to animating pre-existing sprites in games, but in terms of drawing things from the ground up, I have little-no experience.
I just don't know where to start and how to make the movement look good or convincing. I've tried animating some things but it usually comes out really stiff.

[Anonymous No.3722803]

>>3722795
>where to start
If you're doing human characters, recording yourself or someone else doing the action you want to animate is invaluable.
The amount of times I stood up and threw a punch just to feel what my body was doing was enough to work up a sweat. Reference is important to make your movements realistic. Then it's just building the character up, animate a stick figure doing the movement so you can get the timing, spacing etc perfect and build upon that base.

[Anonymous No.3722808]

>>3722790
tried a walk offscreen instead.

[Anonymous No.3722810]

>>3722803
Thank you for saying that. I was considering filming myself doing all the attacks to get a reference point for how I want them to go. I've been worried though, because I live on the 3rd floor of an old apartment, and if I were to jump, it'd be super loud lol. I'll be in a new place, on the first floor soon, so I'll definitely try that then.

Would it be feasible to draw the stick man over "frames" taken from footage of me doing the moves? And then from there add the body onto it, and eventually the costume?

[Anonymous No.3722823]

>>3722810
If you're very new to animation, drawing directly over the frames of a video (rotoscoping) can look weird. I'd reccomend you look up keyframing and "pose to pose" animation.

[Anonymous No.3722829]

>>3722823
I was thinking of doing those on top of the stickman that came from pseudo-roto-scoping. I'd start with an extremely simple stick man as a guide to keep my proportions straight, and then animate normally over it.

[Anonymous No.3722837]

what's the best way to learn animation?
i was thinking of starting with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSo_7UI8nTc
but idk if it's good or not.

[Anonymous No.3722887]

>>3721845
I don't know anything about animation, but it looks very smooth to me, Anon
good work!

[Anonymous No.3722889]

>>3715801
They guy's arm needs more wind-up before he sticks it into the ground. Generally everything's too fast.

[Anonymous No.3722914]

animation for an /i/ thread

[Anonymous No.3722923]

>>3722696
That's really great, you can really feel the weight of that.

[Anonymous No.3723164]

>>3722696
Tell me if I'm right

1. You animated the blob, the main shape of the monster in a straight ahead fashion
2. You animated legges accordingly

I'm not a fan of the monster design but it looks nice overall, just be careful with the legges, do them a little bit better, near the end when the monster is leaving the screen it just spazzez out

[Anonymous No.3723170]

>>3722580
I think in this specific case the lines are thin enough and the zoom minimal enough that it doesn't matter. Your eyes don't perceive the change.

In other words, they moved the camera closer to the animation cell.

[Anonymous No.3723181]

>>3722923

Thank you!

>>3723164

More or less.

I'm going back and forth on the legs, trying to make their movements look natural and dynamic. I'm sure I'll go over them a few more times before I finalize their placement.

[Anonymous No.3723799]

>>3723181
Hey also, since it's still in the early production stage I think adding a moving camera would really make it look great

[Anonymous No.3723859]

>>3723799
I may add that after I take it into after effects.

[Anonymous No.3724072]

[Anonymous No.3724955]

>>3724072

[Anonymous No.3725004]

>>3722580
You either shorten the distance between the cel and the camera (zoom by movement), use a zoom lens (zoom by optics), or scale the image up.
With traditional animation you had to be precice to keep the distance-per-frame constant. Now frame interpolation is all you need.

[Anonymous No.3725007]

>>3725004
Key Frame interpolation, sorry.

[Anonymous No.3725756]

Any ideas where can I find good refs for things like people falling, carrying heavy things etc.?

[Anonymous No.3726687]

is there any compelling reason to use those half red half blue pencils for animation or did I just dream that

[Anonymous No.3726706]

>>3726687
Pro animators use different colours to show where terminators and highlights are. If you don't have to put down your pencil and pick up another you theoretically should save a second or two every time you do that.

In practice single two-coloured pencils aren't more practical than two separate pencils, but they are a really cool gadget. And I'd rather carry a single pencil like that rather than two of them, when I'm travelling.

[Anonymous No.3726716]

>>3726706
yeah that's it, thanks anon I knew I had seen it somewhere

[Anonymous No.3726744]

>>3725756
youtube/filming it yourself

[Anonymous No.3726760]

>>3726744
Yeah, I think that's what I'll have to do, thanks.
I wanted to make those buckets look heavy, but I honestly have no idea how.

[Anonymous No.3726777]

making some simple short loops for fun

[Anonymous No.3726800]

>>3726760
maybe try to draw them heavy ( closer to the ground, almost no bouncing)
also they fly off when he slips like they are empty
im just saying it from carrying a lot of heavy buckets in my life
zaprawa jest dosc ciezka

[Anonymous No.3726805]

>>3726760
this is good. i luld

[Anonymous No.3726811]

Anyone know where I can get a decent animation program for free, like Clip Studio Paint? I don't wanna use Flipnote 3D or FireAlpaca all the time

[Anonymous No.3726821]

>>3721453
Oh wow really? I go by pashedmotatoes on discord

[Anonymous No.3727754]

>>3715038
Can anyone tell me what the symbols used in this pencil test mean? Why do they use A1-30 when they're numbering their frames?

[Anonymous No.3727908]

>>3721845
hot

[Anonymous No.3727971]

here's a meme from bloodborne general on /vg/, sorry for the shitty chromatic abberation but it's present in the actual game so I added it because of that

[Anonymous No.3728022]

>>3726760
his legs don't seem like they're straining, which gives the impression he's just casually carrying buckets and has bad posture

[Anonymous No.3728068]

>>3715038
Any tips on how to stay focused and motivated when animating something long?

[Anonymous No.3728142]

>>3728068
I just remind myself how fucking sick it will be when it's all done and then I procrastinate

Hope that helped.

[Anonymous No.3728458]

>>3726777
nice

[Anonymous No.3728670]

>>3728142
Are you me?

Literally this, listen to this anon anons

[Anonymous No.3729081]

anyone using clip studio to animate? how do you enable onion skin on all animation folder layers on the timeline?

[Anonymous No.3729835]

Does anyone have examples of cheap and/or "static" (more like barely moving images + camera movments, etc) types of video that have at least a little bit of success on Youtube?
(yeah, I know what you're thinking. I'm bad and looking for examples. But that's not all, I'm also looking to see if animation can work with limitations).
Bonus for fiction but I'm pretty sure that's way harder to make work, and cheap animation that usually passes is people narrating some of their life or analyzing some kind of subjects like Mattias Pilhede.

[Anonymous No.3729845]

>>3729835
worthikids and zalinki are pretty good. lots of their stuff are pretty simple, just very expressive key poses/funny dialogue. but the reason why cheap animation works better in narration and video essays is because it's never the focus of the video, so you can get away with a lot more as long as you tell your point.
>I'm also looking to see if animation can work with limitations
dude thats like the entire basis of some works is creativity spawns from the limitations you give yourself. problem is not a lot of people know how to use your limitations to your advantage, that's where the struggle is. but yes, animation can indeed work with limits.

[Anonymous No.3730124]

>>3726811
I've been fucking about with Opentoonz recently. Looks clunky but is decent.
I've heard Krita is a good alternative, i got it installed but had been too busy to try it lately

[Anonymous No.3731031]

>>3729845
Thanks for the good recs and wise words

[Anonymous No.3731131]

>>3729835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuyzMAo8D74

[Anonymous No.3731328]

>>3715038
what is this from? looks so familiar

[Anonymous No.3731408]

>>3727971
I thought that this was a Karl Marx Gondola OC, but that’s pretty cool too.

[Anonymous No.3731412]

>>3721717
Spend the $15 on a lightpad and use regular printing paper. Hold things in place with a binder clip and you’ll be off to the races. Good luck fren.

[Anonymous No.3731425]

>>3718834
Tell that to Disney

[Anonymous No.3731479]

>>3731412
>Spend the $15 on a lightpad
Where are you buying from?
The cheapest ones I can find cost 18$ (not including delivery)

[Anonymous No.3732622]

[Anonymous No.3732780]

what happened to the animation anon who was animating the tuba girl... I miss them

[Anonymous No.3732882]

hlo

[Anonymous No.3733475]

is it bad if i use copyrighted music for an animation when i dont make any money off of it? i wanna post it on youtube, i dont care for ad revenue i just wouldn't want it taken down. and ofc ill credit the artist

[Anonymous No.3733609]

>>3733475
depends on the artist usually. if you dont rack a million views per video, i wouldnt worry

[Anonymous No.3733613]

>>3733609
i see, thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.3733730]

My first (rough) attempt at a fight scene, done with mouse and firealpaca

[Anonymous No.3734123]

>>3733730
i cant really tell whats going on

[Anonymous No.3734197]

Just testing a concept here.

[Anonymous No.3735045]

>>3732780
died of old age before finishing it

[Anonymous No.3735125]

>>3733730
Why would you animate with a mouse and in fire alpaca? Are you a third worlder or just some kid?

If you're gonna seriously animate then get real please.

[Anonymous No.3735484]

>>3734197
Too slow and too constant, but the idea is great

[Anonymous No.3735507]

>>3735484

Yeah, I had to diagram it first. Now that I've got it down, maybe I can put a little more oomph in the animation.

Glad you like the idea though.

[Anonymous No.3736371]

A ball parabola test

[Anonymous No.3736409]

https://my.mixtape.moe/erjfro.mp4

finished animating this!

[Anonymous No.3736419]

>>3736409
felt a bit chaotic

[Anonymous No.3736441]

>>3736409
Nice job.

[Anonymous No.3736447]

>>3736409
congratulations!

[Anonymous No.3736449]

>>3736371
...what are you testing exactly?
You could've make a classic bouncing ball instead; you would learn more while doing your test.

[Anonymous No.3736866]

My first animation. Super basic stuff, but it felt good to see it in motion.

[Mayde !MaydeOSpeg No.3737304]

>>3736409
My only critique for your animation would be for the timing and how you transition from pose to pose. I can tell you're trying to make it really bouncy, and it comes off really appealing, it does actually wind up becoming really chaotic and hard to follow. I think if there was more subtleties in the motions, it would look pretty sweet.
The scene where Bury falls into the soundhole is reeeeaaaally weird. I think it's mostly due to the sudden change of arc. Almost like Bury's mass is pulled into another direction completely. Thinking about how she falls from the top of the screen, assuming she's falling almost perpendicular to the ground; the arc as soon as she gets embedded into the hole of the instrument, her arc should still be continuous in the direction it was moving, thanks to Newton's First Law of Motion.
The arc you used makes Bury's entire arc suddenly bounce away towards the ground with no real resistance. I think what would've been better to keep the mass in mind is if you made the instrument go down suddenly, and hit the girl in the face before bouncing up into it's own subtle arc.
Just spitballing ideas

[Anonymous No.3737466]

>>3715801
How do you produce the line-work effect of each frame slightly wobbling/shaking but never significantly diverging?

[Anonymous No.3737482]

>>3737466
by tracing each frame

[Anonymous No.3737561]

>>3737304
I don't doubt it, fren. The action really is too chaotic and it's all so sloppy. I'm well aware of a certain rule of animation, and that's to make sure your audience knows what's going on. To guide their eye, and to not have two things going on at once.

I failed! I'm referring to when beary gets blown up into the sky... Two things going on at once. Bad. That's my biggest personal gripe. Everything else is passable I think. Even the part you're detailing, 'cuz I had to get it to work somehow even though it's a bit of a mess in technical terms

But still, I'm just glad I got it done. I'm gonna wanna work on myself now. To make sure I can do stuff like this faster, so that I can have some more technical skills behind my art.

[Anonymous No.3737568]

>>3715038
first attempt ever in Krita

[Anonymous No.3737599]

>>3715413
My guess is that's an over expose effect. i assume can be recreated on Clip Studio Paint animation tools by copying an animation folder layer 3 times and giving it exposure effects.

here's something i found on twitter a couple of days ago, yeah its not full animation so don't start.

[Anonymous No.3737606]

>>3722580
On Clips Studio Paint you have to create a 2D camera folder and drop all the other animation folder/cels/files there to have em being affected by it, by default CSP has some momentum of delay during the panning, but there's two options.

You can change the momentum of the keyframes on the Graph Editor section of the Timeline and when rendering the final animation, on a GIF image file or an actual video, make sure to set it up at 24fps

cont.....

[Anonymous No.3737767]

>>3737568
Did you have to use the extension to convert it to GIF?

[Anonymous No.3737781]

>>3736409
gosh dang this turned out real great

[Anonymous No.3737903]

>>3736409
Very cute. Add sound.

[Anonymous No.3738113]

>>3736866
The upper body looks mostly fine, but there is no transition for the legs from a sideways-back view to a front view. The legs suddenly swap sides like they're teleporting.

[Anonymous No.3738126]

>>3737767
Yes
Otherwise it export every frame as a separated image

[Anonymous No.3738344]

>>3736409
You showed so much of it that it feels like I finished a big project even tough I didn't do shit
Nice

[Anonymous No.3738540]

>>3715038
This is great but wouldn't it be better if he landed on the other foot first when he comes to a stop at the end?
Though I'm not sure, like this it has a bit of a sudden stop which is the point of the gesture. But in my head it'd make more sense the other way.
The leg and arms are synced and this looks really good, am I just stupid? I don't know what I'm saying.

>>3715801
It bothers me how the arm pops out at a 90 degree angle even though he doesn't stick it in at that angle.

>>3717990
top kek

[Anonymous No.3739256]

still WIP

[Anonymous No.3741467]

how to animate like the japan animation does? I mean they have this small lines that's so crisps.

[Anonymous No.3741611]

>>3739256
Sorry for the lack of critique, but very noice.

[Anonymous No.3741921]

>>3741467
you mean like the line quality? just draw using a thin pen or change the pen thickness depending on if its traditional or digital.

[Anonymous No.3742141]

I don't like this that much because I don't know how to cut in inbetweens within TVPaint.

[Anonymous No.3742175]

>>3742141
lookin' for true love wherever I go.

[Anonymous No.3742294]

>>3739256
Getting top marge feeling from the ginger babys turn

[Anonymous No.3742371]

>>3742294
Hmm I might have to slow the turn down, add some steps in or something

[Anonymous No.3742383]

>>3742371
Yeah, It's gonna be really cool though!

[Anonymous No.3743320]

A little animation I'm currently working on and my first post on this board, I hope anyone who sees this could give me some feedback, thanks.

[Anonymous No.3743358]

>>3743320
i like it, i think you should add more shadows/highlights to give some depth since you don't have outlines. the color of the car also blends in too much with the desert, just change the value of the car or desert to better contrast it. i dig the style overall

[Anonymous No.3743367]

>>3741921
It would be the case for doing illustrations, but I'm talking about animation. It would be a tedious pain to colour that thin pen. My process usually starts with alpha pen (jagged lines) so the coloring will be much easier. Pic related as an example of the thin and crisp line that I was talking about.
https://youtu.be/bvYxaNVsTWQ
Around 11:13 , that's how I colour with aliased lines before final post processing of anti-aliasing them. I want to achieve the crisp look instead of the weighted line that a typical tumblrite animation has.

[Anonymous No.3743393]

>>3743367
i mean they're still using a thinner pen regardless, it's a matter of how they're coloring/rendering is where the problem lies. i'd imagine they're either exporting at a very high resolution so the thin lines show up crisp and not jagged, or maybe they have some render settings in whatever program they're using that works. but as long as you can render at 4k, those lines should be pretty crisp. it's totally doable with your method, it's how nearly every studio does it.

[Anonymous No.3743430]

>>3743393
what program that has this adjustable thin stroke? Currently I'm using Animate.

[Anonymous No.3743439]

>>3743430
i use toonboom which can probably get close, but like tvpaint and clip studio can definitely get it. i feel like animate could get it though, what render settings are you using when you try exporting with thin lines?

[Anonymous No.3743444]

>>3743439
the default setting as mov/mp4, and post process on AE.

[Anonymous No.3743452]

>>3743444
idk if animate can but id recommend exporting as a png sequence if possible, i always get weird issues when exporting raw data as mp4 but maybe thats just me. regardless, up your resolution to at least 4k if it's not already. even with exporting as mp4, you should be getting pretty crisp lines since the jagged pixels will become nonexistent with such a high resolution, at least in theory, ive never used animate. maybe try asking on the adobe forums if this isnt helpful, i think most people here use clip studio, tvpaint, etc.