/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3705857]

For the love of god someone please explain high art to me

[Anonymous No.3705861]

>>3705857
You mean modern art?
Most of it is all about the process and the intentions of the artist. Most of it is garbage. Probably some money laundering going on too.
There you go anon.

[Anonymous No.3705871]

>>3705857
it's bullshit. anything from cia psyop to confidence scam for rich jews to launder millions of dollars.

[Anonymous No.3705899]

>>3705857
go pick up a book

[Anonymous No.3705945]

>>3705899
>This art is so amazing you need to read books about it to begin to grasp what it means, rather than look at the art itself

[Anonymous No.3705993]

The camera was invented which made the collective art world sperg out so hard that art fucking died. The end.

[Anonymous No.3706034]

i used to be hardcore art objectivist but then i realized that an emotional response to art is way more important than how well it imitates reality.
high technical skill is good in its own way and is worth appreciating, but the important thing about art is that it makes me feel something. 'appreciation of ability' and 'emotional response' are not mutually exclusive, but they have their own value. i like seeing interesting art, things i've never seen before. unfortunately, seeing "well-painted portait of rich person #12634" doesn't make me feel very much.
yes, i agree that it's pretty strange that a lot low-effort modern art auctions for absurdly high prices, but that's a different discussion altogether. i don't really want to get into the philosophy of it all. i just like looking at art.

[Anonymous No.3706054]

>>3705945
Yes, because you would completely comprehend a Francesco del Cossa without reading anything about it.
These brainlets, srsly.

[Anonymous No.3706058]

a scam
and a waste of time thinking about

[Anonymous No.3706066]

>>3705857
Basically at a certain point mastery of fundamentals is meaningless. I'd look at modern art for example. Anybody can get to extremely realism levels easily, aka photocopy meme.
So at a point you try to find the next step which is to abstract it. Some people go furry or animu, or modern calarts bullshit. Others abstract even further and go high art.
While results are similar to a low skill, the meaning behind why they abstract is different.

[Anonymous No.3706077]

>>3705857
It's just pseud shit to make yourself feel smarter than you really are.

[Anonymous No.3706082]

>>3705857
>>3705861
>>3705871
>>3705945
>>3706058
>>3706077
those Ruan Jia cucks again

>>3706077
>pseud
yeah, it's the Jia cuck alright. no other person uses "pseud"

[Anonymous No.3706085]

>>3705857
People got tired of drawing realistic shit and wanted to let their imagination run wild instead. One problem - cartoons (and anime girls in particular) were not a thing yet. Then pretentious faggots found out about this new hip and cool movement, and shit spiraled out of control from there.
And nowadays it's just Western children trying to feel smart and important without putting any effort into anything.

[Anonymous No.3706107]

>>3706082
whatever, pseud

[Anonymous No.3706118]

low art is generally thing made for marketing purposes. The goal is to make the money, or get appeal (looking at you fan artist/pornographers).
High Art is made to try and evoke emotion or thoughts firstly. And when its done you pray someone will buy this shit.

[Anonymous No.3706137]

>>3706107
back to your shota and loli, imbecilic attall fangirl

[Anonymous No.3706143]

>>3706082
What the fuck does Jia have to do with all this

[Anonymous No.3706151]

>>3706143
"modern art was a mistake" threads are 100% liable to attract the asian shitposter who also posts Ruan Jia admiration threads regularly. incidentally, they are also often started by the same person.
lurk more.

[Anonymous No.3706173]

>>3706066
With all due respect I disagree with the notion of abstraction being THE next step.
I get that it was A next step, but where modern artists miss the boat is that they think art history MUST follow a linear path.
Focusing in on a part of an engine is wonderful and useful for a time, and fuck it stay there as long as you want, but insisting that the motor is the ONLY the thing about the engine relevant now is limiting and sophomoric.
Yes the motor is cool and fascinating, but let’s reassemble that puppy and put it back into the engine and go somewhere.
You can still have your geeked out technicians focusing on the various aspects of the motor’s function but give me a fucking break... if you keep letting them dominate the conversation, it will remain this big circle jerk going nowhere.

[Anonymous No.3706187]

>>3706058
>Art should be only realistic

[Anonymous No.3706189]

>>3706137
With each post, you just prove yourself as more of a pseud

[Anonymous No.3706196]

>>3706173
"linear" is the wrong word. there is nothing "linear" about the developement of movements in art. only styles branching off in other directions. but these directions are not linear at all and could even go back full circle.

the post modern aspect of "taking the car apart and looking at each aspect standalone" is more of an act of zooming in. a key work in this are the water lillies by Monet. i almost guarantee you, whether you'd be a degenerate anime fag or an art philistine of another kind, that when you stand in front of these water lillie paintings, you will be taken aback by the rich and playful application of color that Monet has achieved. it is mesmerizing in the true sense of the word.
the thing is that in these paintings (maybe not for the very first time, but still quite exemplarily), the body of the color is almost lifted from what it means to depict. the color itself has become the subject. this was a major departure for painting in general. when you accept the fact that painting after this was often more aimed at the psycho-dynamic process of seeing and memorizing shapes and colors, you may have also taken a step further to understand where contemporary painting has come from.

afterall, you don't go from the pythagorean theorem straight to quantum physics, because you believe you are "too smart" for the steps inbetween. in the same way, contemporary art is based on this vast history of art that humanity has produced so far and its allowed to do so. yes, here and there, you need a manual to understand what it is about. but that just falls right back on you, because obviously, you haven't identified the implications for lack of knowledge.

[Anonymous No.3706227]

>>3706085
>Anybody can do it so it's not worth doing
That's just being snob.

[Anonymous No.3706231]

>>3706066
>Anybody can do it so it's not worth doing
That's just being snob.

[Anonymous No.3706264]

>>3706173
Its not like you have to stick on one abstraction the entire time. But after realism you need to go somewhere, its various forms of abstraction after that. Maybe you dable in anime and cartoon network shit for a bit, then you go into high arts for a bit, then you're lighting farts on fire wondering because somewhere along the line your reasoning lead you to that being art.

Abstraction isn't just 1 thing, there's various forms of it.

>>3706231
Its still worth doing for the technical skills, but realism has never been fun for anyone. Mastering fundamentals only takes you so far, then where are you to go from there?
You have to take it further, and that involves completely breaking down the rules or focusing on certain aspects of art over others.

[Anonymous No.3706273]

>>3706264
>realism has never been fun for anyone
You shouldn't even be posting your opinions if you truly think this. Every realist I know enjoys realism for developing a unique technique and voice that depicts how they see the world as individual artists and people. Believe it or not, some artists are content with creating beauty for beauty's sake, and a subset of these artists find beauty in what others would consider the banalities of realism. Your ignorance when it comes to different artistic ideologies is astounding. Look at more art by more artists, research their methods, their philosophies, their thoughts before posting dumb shit like this. Your prescriptive "artists need to do x" gobbledygook betrays your supposed sophistication.

[Anonymous No.3706276]

>>3706273
If you look at most realist artists though, they're not just drawing reality, they're abstracting it in their own way and style to produce something unique.

Maybe saying its not fun is a bit extreme, but very few people see that as their end goal, simply because of how easy it actually is to get there. After awhile people want more than just drawing reality, some do it in new mediums, some do it in new styles.

[Anonymous No.3706287]

>>3706276
Is this abstract ?

[Anonymous No.3706288]

>>3706287
I mean obviously?
I have you ever seen a piece of shit that looks like that in real life?

[Anonymous No.3706291]

>>3706287
>>3706276
>most realist artists are abstracting
I mean, when you say this you're basically admitting that whatever you say about realism is meaningless.

[Anonymous No.3706296]

>>3706291
Its about the process, not the results.

Training for realism and attempting to capture reality is "realism". Most "realistic" artists aren't actually going for complete realism, they're adding their own touches and style to it. Maybe making things a bit more blue, or upping the contrast. But its about actually bending reality, as opposed to being unable to capture it correctly.

[Anonymous No.3706304]

>>3706296
I think you're confusing academic realism, which is "training," versus a broader definition of realism that generally includes some level of abstraction.

[Anonymous No.3706381]

>>3706287
its surrealism

[Anonymous No.3706410]

Low art is art created to be consumed by the masses. Like animation, or illustrations, comics, arguably Thomas Kinkade etc.
High art has the lofty idea that it is somehow a contribution to the best parts of our culture. Post Modernism throws all of that out the window and tries to convince you that sometimes crap art is high art all in the name of deconstructing or subverting our understanding of art. But really, technical skill will always be appreciated regardless if someone chooses to label something high art or low art.