ANIME BEFORE FUNDIES

[Anonymous No.3684088]

Post works from artists who learned anime before learning fundies

[Anonymous No.3684095]

>>3684088
>That hand and arm coming out of bumfuck nowhere.
Holyshit. It definitely shows he didn't learn fundies beforehand. No pun intended.

[Anonymous No.3684096]

>>3684095
Wait, that's supposed to be her hand?

[Anonymous No.3684101]

Hey we all love fundies here, but are you so engulfed in your ideology that you need to make a such a circlejerky thread? There's no shortage of bad anime, so it seems a little insecure for you to need a whole thread just to reinforce your beliefs

That being said, here, have some bad perspective

[Anonymous No.3684109]

>>3684088
this one is infamous abstract anime art

[Anonymous No.3684113]

>>3684088
My favorite is this worm's eye view style shot. Basically any anime attempt at this angle results in the jaw looking fucking massive. Don't have any examples saved though.

[Anonymous No.3684122]

>>3684109
I can’t figure out wtf is going on here

[Anonymous No.3684168]

>>3684101
The picture could be through a zoom lens...

[Anonymous No.3684211]

>inb4 the majority of posters in this thread don't even produce completed works on a regular basis

[Anonymous No.3684223]

>>3684122
If I understand right the guy is titfucking her. Probably. Maybe. But it certainly is not her head. And arms are kind of, I don't know.

[Anonymous No.3684241]

>>3684088
Thar artist must have learned from Russian posters

[Anonymous No.3684249]

>>3684088
Pretty much every mangaka ever. Except those who don't, which is just a handful.

[Anonymous No.3684332]

>>3684088
What is easier if you want to draw anime?

Learning anime AND THEN fundies

or

Learning fundies AND THEN learning anime

[Anonymous No.3684334]

>>3684249
I don't know what is wrong here besides the eyes in the first pannel and I don't even know the context. Maybe is it an overexageration for comedic effect?

[Anonymous No.3684338]

>>3684088
>muh Loomis
You do realize you can learn basics also through manga, right?

[Anonymous No.3684339]

Yoshitaka Amano probably never painted a realistic anatomically correct image in his life, yet his art is fantastic.

[Anonymous No.3684349]

>>3684332
Anime if you want to be able to draw anime as fast as possible but be stuck with limited results.

Fundamentals if you want to be able to draw anime with the freedom to do anything you want.

[Anonymous No.3684354]

>>3684349
Your view of "anime" is very narrow minded. You do not have to study Loomis to become good. That's complete nonsense. You also can learn fundamentals by simply drawing in your style. You just have to be honest to yourself, and when you make mistakes, not simply say "it's just my style".

[Anonymous No.3684360]

>>3684339
I'm sure he is a legend among ants

[Anonymous No.3684362]

You faggots are obsesses with fundies to an autismal level. No wonder so much art in here feels incredibly stiff.

[Anonymous No.3684387]

>>3684362
This. Much more important than learning fundies is to learn composition.

All these people copying photos while not composing anything have no clue what they are doing, no matter how realistic they can copy.

[Anonymous No.3684394]

>>3684354
Fuck off retard. That guy especially asked in what order he should learn and I explained to him what will happen.

Fundamentals are not just Loomis, if you focus on learning fundamentals trough anime you will learn them extremely slow and some aspects not at all. That's just the reality of the matter. You can learn trough anime all you want but you will never have the ability of someone that studied the fundamental aspects of drawing.

[Anonymous No.3684399]

>>3684387
It's because they gamify something like art, like an RPG. Fundies are pretty obvious in a piece, so they use that to judge their progress and to laugh at people that have worse fundies. But composition and gesture are more abstract elements that neither provide that instant satisfaction fundies give them, nor do they have an absolute "correct" meaning(where muscles are placed is of course set in stone, but you can have many compositions on a single theme). Composition and gestures don't provide them with a noticeable way to judge if their experience points have increased, so they remain stuck with pieces with competent construction but nothing else going on, then they lapse in a "I'm ngmi" phase when they look at how mediocre their art is, when they could have had something interesting had they not focused on a single thing.

[Anonymous No.3684400]

>>3684399
That's some hard projection right here. Only because you can't study well doesn't mean no one else can.

[Anonymous No.3684413]

>>3684394
>Fundamentals are not just Loomis
Then what are your fundamentals? You make no sense at all, fucktard.

The fundamentals of drawing is simply making lines on a paper. That simple.
If you want to draw manga, then you should focus on drawing manga. Using photos to copy or whatever, is just a help to find your style. It's like a helping guideline for you to reach your goal, but not something you have to master before you can draw manga.

[Anonymous No.3684416]

>>3684413
You have literally no idea what fundamentals even are, you humongous faggot. Just off yourself before you spread even more misinformation.

[Anonymous No.3684421]

>>3684339
That's not even remotely true. Educate yourself

He's painted his whole life and learned many things. Now he just knows what is truly important to influence the viewer. He's not considered a grand master for no reason

[Anonymous No.3684428]

>>3684421
Then show me a single painting by him painted in a realistic style.
His paintings have always been focused on style and composition, rather than realistic anatomy, perspective or whatever.

And that's all you have to do to paint well. You do not have to be able to draw anatomically correct or whatever, you just have to be good at composition. And learning composition is also something you can learn with manga styles.

[Anonymous No.3684429]

>>3684387
>composition.
composition is a fundamental.
fundamentals are the tools you use to create art.

[Anonymous No.3684432]

>>3684428
not him but you are so delusional.
when you think of something to draw and you put it down on a piece of paper and you know where things go you are using fundamentals.
you are using realistic anatomy, perspective if you want it to look right,

[Anonymous No.3684433]

>>3684429
Then why should you not be able to learn it with anime styles? Do you retards here think anime/manga has no compositions?

[Anonymous No.3684434]

>>3684428
pic related you autist. Also post your work

[Anonymous No.3684438]

>>3684400
>muh projection
When you don't have a single interesting thing to add.

[Anonymous No.3684439]

>>3684432
You are delusional, if you think you can't learn to draw well by only drawing anime.
Yoshitaka Amano draws anime professionally since he was 14 years old. "Fundamentals" my ass.
He always focused on his style, not on realism. Just because you draw stylized, anime, manga or whatever, does not mean you can't learn fundamentals through this.

[Anonymous No.3684440]

>>3684434
Where does that pic focus on anatomy or realism or whatever? It's a fantasy painting, dumbass.
Could as well be from a Record of Lodoss War anime.

You retards here are just heavily biased towards anime and manga, and think every anime is pokemon or whatever. You have no clue what you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.3684459]

>>3684249
God Okamoto Lynn's art can get so stupid sometimes.
I read Elfen Lied whole and even my edgy 14 year old ass knew that some poses were physically impossible for a human to achieve.

[Anonymous No.3684463]

>>3684101
I unironically cannot tell what is wrong with the perspective, is it that her legs are not foreshortened enough, making her figure look leaning to the front?

[Anonymous No.3684477]

>>3684459
Who would forget the dog

[Anonymous No.3684486]

>>3684088
I firmly believe that hand is a shoop or was done wrong on purpose.
Someone who can draw this well, usually doesn't make such big mistakes.

[Anonymous No.3684494]

>>3684101
I dunno, I would say asanagi is pretty good at perspective.

[Anonymous No.3684499]

>>3684440
>a fantasy painting can't be realistic

whoa nevermind you're retarded. Every brainlet would at least notice the vast difference between this and his current main style. It's a literal oil painting, like many of his older works which are very focused on realism and surrealism in terms of rendering. Since after all, he studied the old masters.

Also post your work? It'll be much easier for us to not waste our time arguing with a delusional beg

[Anonymous No.3684504]

>>3684499
>a fantasy painting can't be realistic
Awesome strawman retard! Of course a fantasy painting can have realism, but this painting is not particularly realistic. Again, it could as well be from a Record of Lodoss war anime.

You retards here just think every anime out there is kawaii uguu style or literal pokemon. You are living under a fucking rock. And while living in your tiny bubble, you hate on everything which you don't understand.

>Also post your work?
Why the fuck should I post my work here just so that you retard can shit on it with your gibberish here?
Why don't you post your work? Just fuck off.

[Anonymous No.3684509]

Any anime only artist who studies long enough eventually picks up fundamentals. Because literally anything they want to draw requires. Fundamentals isnt the same as sitting there drawing flowers or cubes. It's just a matter of learning basic ideas behind things like perspective or how color theory works.

The worst part about fundiesfags is that they dont even know what fundamentals are and are using it as code for being realism only whores.

But that's wrong you fucking idiot. Everybody who learns to draw learns without fundamentals at first and picks them up or learns it as they go along and need it.

[Anonymous No.3684515]

>>3684509
>The worst part about fundiesfags is that they dont even know what fundamentals are and are using it as code for being realism only whores.
To me "fundamentals" is just being able to draw well. Having good endurance and working quickly for example is also a fundamental.

For /ic/ however, "fundamentals" is basically just "anything but anime". /ic/ is full of retards who live in a bubble and think anime is always pokemon.

[Anonymous No.3684529]

>>3684515
Fundamentals are just building blocks that are applicable to (mostly) every form of art.
Whether you're drawing landscapes or people, you're still going to need to know perspective, form, color theory, lighting, composition, etc. Fundamentals are the things that will always apply to any piece of art.
Anatomy for example is just an application of form. But those same concepts allow you to draw a good tree.

[Anonymous No.3684533]

>>3684413
>perspecive
>construction
>gesture
>measuring
>anatomy
>light and shadow
>colour theory
>line economy
>stylisation
>composition

Some of the fundies for you. Learning the first four will allow you much more freedom in drawing, learning these is like learning addition, subtraction, division and multiplication instead of just memorising all the answers of all the possible sums, you might notice patterns along the way and be able to apply them to a small subset of possible equations but you wouldn't be able to solve any someone gives you.

[Anonymous No.3684537]

>>3684413
>Fundamentals are not just Loomis
>Then what are your fundamentals?
lmao
Fundamentals is different for across the board depend on people
but most would pick
>perspecive
>shape and form
>value
>color and shit (for painting)
>anatomy
>composition

[Anonymous No.3684538]

>>3684529
>Fundamentals are the things that will always apply to any piece of art.
I disagree. There are many artworks which don't care much about color theory, perspective, anatomy, or even composition, and they are still good artworks. If you only draw black and white for example, you don't need much color theory. If you only do portraits, you don't need much perspective or composition to be good at it.

Fundamentals are pretty subjective. For someone who wants to learn how to draw manga for example, one of the main fundamentals is also knowing how to tell stories. It depends on what kind of direction you want to pursue. A manga artist does not need to know indepth knowledge of anatomy for example, but for an illustrator it may be more important.

[Anonymous No.3684542]

>>3684413
Quick example: perspective.

You wont learn complex perspective from copying manga. Maybe 1 or 2 point perspective at most.

What takes at most a weekend of perspective fundie grinding will take years of copying manga

[Anonymous No.3684544]

>>3684533
I disagree. Everyone can draw. The only true fundamental of drawing is making lines on a paper. Everything else subjective.

A black and white artist does not need color theory for example. He still can be a good artist without it.

>>3684537
I am sorry, I didn't study your beloved Loomis, so I don't know why this guy gets pushed here so much.In contrary to you retards here, I actually simply sat down and made drawings, instead of reading books and watching tutorials on youtube or whatever.

[Anonymous No.3684548]

>>3684538
no one ask you to master fundie
you gonna do that the entire life
but if you don't understand deep enough you gonna make silly avoidable mistake and shit gonna look off
check webtoon shit you gonna see this the most pretty character in stiff and limited pose with even shittier background

[Anonymous No.3684549]

>>3684538
You can have an individual piece of art that might not use some of them, but for the most part any large subset of art will use it.
Like black and white, it might not use colors directly, but things like value theory still apply (which I always include together) and anything you draw that's not in that medium will require color.

Though for portraits, while simple, I'd consider that to be composition worthy and somewhat incorporates perspective if you're say drawing multiple people on a chair.

But the main point is that fundamentals are much wider applicable, anatomy isn't a fundamental because its only applicable to a very small subset of drawings, the moment you move on to a dog all your anatomy knowledge is useless.
Your color theory, perspective and form knowledge are still applicable even if you're able to drop 1 or 2 portions of it.

fundamentals are legos, things like anatomy are a prebuilt ship kit.

tldr fundamentals are applicable even if you don't use them. non-fundamentals like anatomy are for a specific purpose and can't be brought over into other things.

[Anonymous No.3684550]

>>3684542
You sound like a complete retard. Do you think there is no manga with 3, 4 or 5 point perspective, or what?

You guys here truely live in a fucking bubble. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.3684553]

>>3684538
Were talking about anime. In general yes you don't need some of the fundies depending on what you're doing, but they are still general fundamental abilities which apply to drawing. Everything I mentioned has some tie to making lines on paper (but also, there's painting, not just traditional pen/pencil drawing).

[Anonymous No.3684560]

>>3684494
This feels wrong in some way but I am a /beg/ so I can't tell why. Angles like these don't need to be super exact for the normie eye though, I only felt that way after looking at it for a while.

[Anonymous No.3684562]

>>3684544
In fact, to use my math analogy, you don't need división for every equation, if you only need to know multiplication, subtraction, and addition, fine, but learning them will still be better than trying to memorise combinations of numbers and symbols.

[Anonymous No.3684563]

>>3684550
I never said there wasnt. I said you wont learn the complexity of it by copying it. Just like you wouldnt learn architecture engineering by walking inside a huge ass building

You are clearly focused on "winning the argument" at all costs. Even if it means twisting words and just inventing stuff.

I wont even ask you to post your work because 1. You wont. 2 I know already its shit. So what I will ask is for you to just contemplate your last 5 works and judge them honestly. You will notice they are shit. You know you skipped the fundies and your learning moves so slowly it might not even be there. Contemplate your failure and make plans to fix it.

[Anonymous No.3684570]

So ... was anime a mistake?

[Anonymous No.3684572]

>>3684548
Where did I talk about mastering anything? I simply said that fundamentals are pretty subjective, and depend on what your style.

[Anonymous No.3684574]

>>3684549
>You can have an individual piece of art that might not use some of them
Then why do you affirm the opposite?

You just act like a smartass, while having no clue.

[Anonymous No.3684578]

>>3684572
fair enough
depend on medium ofc
>>3684570
it's just a medium and do mostly by professional
anime illustration create by wanabe artist is another matter

[Anonymous No.3684580]

>>3684574
Because I'm not an art professor who's reciting a text book.

Its not hard to understand, fundamentals are widely applicable and aren't just for a specific thing.

[Anonymous No.3684581]

>>3684088
can we get back into posting shitty art for the laugh
can the weebofag and fundiefag cease for a moment

[Anonymous No.3684582]

>>3684553
>Were talking about anime.
Then what is your problem with anime? Nobody here will ever make an anime anyway. What you actually mean by "anime" is actually drawing manga.

But you guys here are just so stupid and biased that you think it's the fucking same.

[Anonymous No.3684583]

>>3684563
>I never said there wasnt.
Of course you said this. You are obviously not just incredibly stupid, you are also a liar. Just a well rounded shit human being.

[Anonymous No.3684584]

>>3684582
>is actually drawing manga
manga is in reference to comics, so not really that either. its in reference to a common eastern stylization that has gained popularity due to manga and anime.

but that's really annoying to say so anime is easier.

[Anonymous No.3684595]

>>3684584
>eastern stylization that has gained popularity due to manga and anime
And again, you have no clue at all. 1. Not every anime is uguu kawaii style. 2. Disney also had cutesy styles. 3. Just because you draw not anatomically correct, does not mean you can't learn how to draw well with this.

You just act as if every anime is pokemon, and every artist who is inspired by japanese art is a bodypillow hugging retard. You live in a fucking bubble.

[Anonymous No.3684600]

>>3684595
There's a reason literally everyone and their mother sees your drawing and calls it anime anon. Because we know exactly what you're trying to emulate.

[Anonymous No.3684614]

>>3684600
1. You phony faggot don't even know how my drawings look, so stop acting as if you knew. 2. People in the west call everything japanese inspired "anime", because they have no fucking clue. They generalize and look down upon it, because they have no fucking idea, and humans oppressive by nature. 3. Only retards call manga "anime". Every person with a brain knows there is a difference.

Anime is just a japanese word for "animation". When you draw comic styles, you also wouldn't call it "animation". Stop being a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.3684623]

>>3684614
>Nuuh, in nihongo Anime is short for animation and its totally different
and nobody gives a shit because its commonly accepted to call the "big eyes, bright colors, simplified forms with minimal features and no chins" anime.

just because alice in wonderland has similarities to the same style choices, people can at a glance tell its different. nobody confuses snow white with shakugan no shana.

your knowledge of what anime and manga means does mean jack shit. Because literally everyone knows a drawing isn't "anime" its just the only thing they can call it because of the general stylization choices that are consistent between that and the stylization choices of anime.

And I do know what your drawings look like, they look like complete weaboo garbage that you're afraid to post on /ic/ and instead you want to act like you're really gonna get somewhere and us silly western pigs just can't understand glorious nippon culture.

[Anonymous No.3684636]

>>3684623
>nobody gives a shit because its commonly accepted
Commonly accepted amongst ignorant retards like you, because you have no clue and just want to look down on people.

>I do know what your drawings look like
You don't know jackshit. My drawings are not just inspired by anime. My drawings are inspired by all kinds of artforms. I am also heavily inspired by surrealism, which Japan has a shitton of artists from. I am inspired by Hans Bellmeer, which you wannabe probably never even heard of.

[Anonymous No.3684642]

>>3684636
By literally everyone.

If not, then what do you call the extremely similar an derivative works that exist in all manga and anime and is also rampant among weebs and Japanese amateur artists who like to post on pixiv? Or even the professional artists that use similar styles in marketing things in asia, all of which share extremely similar styling.
What do you suggest the name of the style be called?

Also post your art faggot.

[Anonymous No.3684651]

>>3684642
>What do you suggest the name of the style be called?
There is already a name for it you fucking retard. It's called "moe" or "shojo" style.
But more commonly it's just manga style. Only a retard would call a comic drawing "animation" rather than "comic style". With manga and anime it's the same. Only complete retards call manga styles "anime". An anime is a fucking movie.

>Also post your art faggot.
I won't anything here, just so that you can talk shit about it with your inane drivel. I don't have to prove anything. Any person with common sense can already see that you are a retard.

[Anonymous No.3684655]

>>3684651
>its called moe or shojo style
uh no, its not.
>look at me i know what these words mean!!
good for you. but moe and shojo do not describe those style at all. They describe subsets of that style.

[Anonymous No.3684658]

>>3684655
>moe and shojo do not describe those style at all
Then what do you even mean? You are just a complete retard.
If someone draw in a japanese comic style, he does not draw "anime", he draws "manga".
If someone draws spider man, he also doesn't draw an animation movie, he draws a comic style drawing. What is so hard to understand about this?

[Anonymous No.3684660]

Everybody shut the FUCK up and post your mals. Nobody is qualified here to talk about anime until I see your consumption of it.

[Anonymous No.3684661]

>>3684421
That's not Amano you dumass that's Jun Suemi

[Anonymous No.3684663]

>>3684582
So you're making this an argument of the semantics of the word "anime" now? I have no interest in debating that, I have no problem with anime, I love it, its just easier to draw the style and you have more freedom when you learn the fundies.

[Anonymous No.3684669]

>>3684658
And if you weren't actually an autistic weaboo, you'd of read the 50 times I've stated, nobody gives a fuck what the words mean. We know what they mean, they're used because we lack a better term which you've failed to provide, instead opting for more weaboo words that you've used incorrectly.

Sorry anon, your internet IQ test doesn't make you smart, you're still a fucking idiot if you can't understand the simple concept of people using anime to describe a style that's prevalent in anime when lacking an actual term.
And mind you as well, anime as animation is a definition to a Japanese word, not the English word.

[Anonymous No.3684674]

>>3684663
>So you're making this an argument of the semantics of the word "anime" now?
Arguing with retards like you obviously makes no sense. You will always call it "anime" because you are fucking stupid.

>its just easier to draw the style and you have more freedom when you learn the fundies.
Everything is easier when you learned the fundies. However you act as if you can only learn fundies by not drawing "anime", which is fucking retarded. When you draw manga, you can also learn the fundies through this. There is absolutely no reason to assume you couldn't learn fundies through stylization.

[Anonymous No.3684680]

>>3684669
>nobody gives a fuck what the words mean
Only ignorant retards like you don't give a fuck. Probably americunt who lives in his fucking bubble and thinks the world ends at his fucking borders.

>anime as animation is a definition to a Japanese word, not the English word
The english definition for "manga" is also different from the japanese definition. I never even argued this.
Yet, you act as if manga doesn't exist, and everything which looks japanese is anime.

You prove nothing but being a an ignorant retard.

[Anonymous No.3684681]

>>3684674
No i never acted like that, I never said that either, you've just assumed this and called it retarded, even though I never said it. Stylisation is easier when you know the fundies as well, you can learn the fundies through just drawing anime but it'd be way harder, you'd have to work way harder at actuslly learning from that. I'd always recommend studying fundies alongside drawing what you want to draw. Please leave this thread, you cannot read nor argue.

[Anonymous No.3684684]

>>3684544
Literally post your work.

[Anonymous No.3684686]

>>3684680
>only ignorant retards
only people who actually communicate with others and want to be able to convey what they actually mean in an efficient and well understood way.
If I went up to literally anyone, and yes, even my Japanese friends, and said I draw anime. Every single one of them would know exactly what I mean. This is the point of using words anon, learn to use words.

Now lets take what you said, if I went up to a Japanese friend and said I draw shoujo, imagine what that means to them. If I went up to a random white dude and said I draw shoujo, they're probably ask what show I was talking about.
This is a breakdown of communication because you've refused to just use a commonly accepted term.

>You act as if manga doesn't exist
its less commonly known, but regardless its still in reference to comics and even if I said I draw "manga" in your definition that's completely wrong, because it has nothing to do with paneling or story boards. manga is just as incorrect of a term as anime, but more niche and annoying to say.

calm your autism. learn to communicate with other people and get the weaboo dick out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.3684691]

>>3684681
>No i never acted like that
You just did it, you liar.
>it's easier to draw the style if you learn the fundies

You act as if manga style has no fundies by itself. You act as if every fucking manga is just pokemon or whatever. You do not realize that there is a degree to stylization. Not every anime is Crayon Shin-Chan, for fucks sake.

Go and look at shit like Vagabond. A shitton of manga have highly detailed very realistic backgrounds for example. Just because they may have cute girls with big eyes, does not mean they can't teach fundies, you ignorant dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.3684700]

>>3684686
>want to be able to convey what they actually mean in an efficient and well understood way
Well, you are doing the complete opposite. Any person who doesn't live under a rock will immediately think of animation movies from Japan when hearing "anime", cause that's what it means in the west. This is simply a fact. Your fairy tales won't change this.

If someone doesn't know what marvel comics are, then I also won't tell them "I do Disney movies" when I actually draw comics. You are just simply ignorant on purpose, because you are a bitch.

[Anonymous No.3684705]

>>3684700
>think of animation movies
>in the context of a single person saying they draw something
if this is where your mind immediately goes, you might be actually retarded.

anon, you actually have brain damage, please seek help. there's not really much else to say to you but I'm actually worried about your mental capacity.

[Anonymous No.3684707]

>>3684691
Yes you fucking mongrel, anime and people who draw it usually know fundies, and to draw good anime you should know the fundies. What the hell are you saying? I'm advocating of the use of fundies to draw this, because yes the manga style "has" fundies as you say. I'm not really sure what you're arguing anymore. I'm not "acting" at all how you're saying.

[Anonymous No.3684710]

>>3684705
Well, this is simply what you are saiyng when acting as if everyone draws "anime".
It's not my fault that you have no idea about terms. It's the same as saying "oh he draws disney movies" when someone draws a spider man drawing.

[Anonymous No.3684711]

>>3684583
Read my statement again. I said you wouldnt be able to learn from it. Not that there wasnt any.

From just copying you will learn 1 or 2 point perspective. Anything else will need instruction and grinding. Again, if you read at my original statement I never said there wasnt. Just that you wo t be able to absorb it.

Dont answer again. Contemplate your own work. See where did you fail and fix it. So maybe one day you can instantly end this internet arguments by smugly posting your awesome works instead of having to rely on shitty excuses

[Anonymous No.3684716]

>>3684707
>I'm not really sure what you're arguing anymore
Of course not because you are obviously retarded. You do not realize that manga and anime is not always pokemon.

You can easily learn fundies through drawing manga. In fact it can teach you way more than all these retards here "studying references", because you have to be actually creative and use imagination.

[Anonymous No.3684719]

>>3684710
disney movies is a specific company.
if you said you draw cartoons, people do not immediately think of drawing the spongebob movie they'll think you draw invader zim on your backpack.

you are naming a highly specific company who's known only for their movies, and you're specifically going out of your way to specify movies as well. if you said you draw disney characters, people will immediately assume you mean you draw characters and not animation.

think cartoons instead of anime.

but god i don't know why i'm still replying, you're a weeb and you're hung up on some definition and refuse to see how people actually use the term.

seriously, you're retarded, never talk to another human being again. i'm done here.

[Anonymous No.3684739]

>>3684711
>I said you wouldnt be able to learn from it.
Well you are fucking wrong

>From just copying you will learn 1 or 2 point perspective.
To be able to copy perspective, you actually have to understand it. If you understand it you learned it. Simple as that. Doesn't matter if manga or not.

I have no idea why you assume people simply copy manga. Nobody even ever talked about simply copying shit. However, it is clear that you are heavily biased and think manga is a lower or whatever. Otherwise you wouldn't even mention it. Could as well just say that you don't learn perspective by brainlessly copying paintings. It's the same shit.

Just fuck off you ignorant bastard.

[Anonymous No.3684746]

>>3684719
>think cartoons instead of anime
That's not what anime means. Again, anime means japanese animation movies in the west.

>you are naming a highly specific company
Doesn't matter fucktard. It's equally retarded as saying "he draws animation movies".

>Anime (/ˈænəˌmeJ/) (Japanese: アニメ, [aɲime] (About this soundlisten), plural: anime)[a] is hand-drawn and computer animation originating from or associated with Japan.
>The word anime is the Japanese term for animation, which means all forms of animated media.[1]
Here, I copyed it for you literal brainless retard. Learn from it, or keep being an ignorant brainless dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.3684757]

>>3684739
I didnt bring the manga. I just replied to your stupid statement that by copying manga you can absorb all the fundies so you could disregard fundie grinding.

But yes, you cant absorb the whole thing of perspective by either copying manga or classic paintings. Hell I even used an architecture/building metaphore so your autistic ass didnt interpret it as an anti-manga statement. You did anyways.

I will fuck off when you post work that clearly shows understandment of fundies through your manga copying methods.

Also, Im not the other guy you are arguing with but you also used a strawman there. We all know there are technical highly detailed manga. You wont learn to pull that extremely technical shit from just copying it. Hence fundie grinding is a must. Always.

You can have a manga scenes repository in your head but if I ask you to do any scene on a different angle, your whole charade ends there.

Post work to prove your methods are right or gtfo

[Anonymous No.3684758]

>>3684716
You can learn fundies through drawing manga, just slower. I don't think anime and manga are always "pokemon". My favourite manga is berserk and mily favourite anime is mob psycho 100 (although I think the best anime I've ever seen is hunterxhunter). Fundies are things you use to draw manga and anime, you learn to measure, you learn how to construct, learn about value and use those tools to draw anime and manga.

[Anonymous No.3684766]

>>3684758
Dont wase your time. If his methods were useful he would be posting his work.

Its obvious for anyone with half a brain that fundies will get you there faster than just copying and stumbling in the dark trying to figure what you just copied

Let him be a ngmi

[Anonymous No.3684771]

>>3684757
>I just replied to your stupid statement that by copying manga you can absorb all the fundies
Oh look another strawman, you lying subhuman. I never said anything about "copying manga", so stop putting words in my mouth.
I talked "drawing manga", that's a difference, dumbfuck. To be able to draw a good manga, you have to be able to understand basics like 3 point perspective. It's fucking obvious.

If you draw a manga, it will teach you fundies, just like anything else. Now fuck off with your retardation and go back to your 2 digit club, subhuman.

[Anonymous No.3684774]

Https://youtu.be/OBpJWg9VplI?t=3002

This is what happens when you skip fundamentals. Something that any amateur could easily do with a Loomis figure, takes several tries to this pro because he cant construct for shit on his own. He obviously learned through copying and if you ask him to do something he didnt copy ever he is clueless as to what to do.

At the end he gives up on the pose and tries one much more simple. Akin to manga readers' tastes.

[Anonymous No.3684777]

>>3684771
>to draw manga you need to know 3p perspective
>Drawing manga will teach you perspective

Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.3684791]

>>3684758
>You can learn fundies through drawing manga, just slower
No, you learn it like with anything else. In fact, manga/comics incorporate so many fundamentals, like barely any other artform. If you only do fine art for example, you learn much less. How many fine artists (even the very good ones), do barely anything else than just painting heads for example? Drawing manga instead teaches fucking everything.

>My favourite manga is berserk
Oh look, another babbys first seinen retard. Was clear that you only know entry level shit.

[Anonymous No.3684795]

>>3684777
You are obviously retarded. If you draw a manga, it means you will learn 3 point perspective, because it's one of the basics of manga.

[Anonymous No.3684798]

>>3684774
>Akin to manga readers' tastes
Just fuck off you ignorant subhuman.

[Anonymous No.3684801]

>>3684791
>No, you learn it like with anything else
This is true. You learn it like with anything else. SLOW

You dont do manga, classical painting or anything else to learn fundamentals.

You learn fundamentals fast by focusing on just fundamentals.

You dont grab a complex painting or manga drawing and try to absorb fundamentals from those on your own.

The faster way to get fundamentals correctly is to grind fundamentals.

Its clear by your "entry level seinen" comment that you have an emotional commitment to this argument and you are at the defensive saving the ancient honor of gook comic books. No one attackedyour asian comic strips. We are just telling you that if you want to learn fundies fast you grind fundies.

Noe post your work

[Anonymous No.3684802]

>>3684791
Whatever man, I don't really care for your moving of goal posts comment at the end of that. But listen, painter will paint whatever they want, if they want to do heads they'll do it, but that has nothing to do with learning the fundamentals. You might learn less through just drawing heads, rather than drawing an entire genre such as anime and manga, but I was never arguing against that. If you study the fundamentals thoughtfully alongside drawing anime and manga, notice I say alongside, so I never said you shouldn't draw anime and manga, you will improve faster. Learning the fundamentals by drawing gestures, practicing drawing planes in perspective, cubes, learning about how light reacts to forms, and learning about forms themselves in perspective will help you draw anime and manga. If you argue against this you better think it through, because so far we're not really arguing, you're just saying arguing against things I never said nor implied.

[Anonymous No.3684808]

Anime needs to be removed from this board. Keep this garbage to /a/.

[Anonymous No.3684810]

>>3684808
Agreed. You should all just drop anime and learn fundamentals first.

[Anonymous No.3684812]

>>3684801
>You dont do manga, classical painting or anything else to learn fundamentals.
Of course you do this. Only insecure retards like you think they have to study Loomis before creating what they want.

Actually good artists never "practiced". They learned by creating artworks. You are obviously an insecure retard, and project your own miserable on everyone else.

[Anonymous No.3684815]

>>3684791
To be fair comic books (and that includes manga and non capeshit european ceuropean clmic books) are entry level garbage literature. You dont get to complain about entry level shit when talking about a medium made for mass consumism.

Its like saying "IT is entry level stephen king book". Lmao at all the works of Stephen King. His books are sold at supermarkets. That tells you everything you have to know about him. See also "genre literature vs actual literature" argument.

I suggest just saying "Berserk is a good/bad seinen for X reasons". But dont talk about entry level when talking about comic books. Adult books dont have drawings on them (with the exception of Dore drawing of course)

[Anonymous No.3684816]

>>3684812
WHY DO I ALWAYS TAKE BAIT?
AM I FUCKING RETARDED?

[Anonymous No.3684817]

>>3684812
>but I need to have fun!!!! If its not fun then why doing it

>Actually good artists never "practiced". They learned by creating artworks. You are obviously an insecure retard, and project your own miserable on everyone else.
This is incredibly ignorant of art history. Learn about classic atelliers and painters

[Anonymous No.3684820]

To bend the rules you have to know them first.
Aren't that just a common sense?

[Anonymous No.3684825]

>>3684802
>if they want to do heads they'll do it, but that has nothing to do with learning the fundamentals
Of course it has to do with it. Since your idea of "fundamentals" seems imply stuff like anatomy, perspective, etc. If you only paint heads you don't learn much body gesture. You only learn head gesture.

>study the fundamentals thoughtfully alongside drawing anime and manga
Again, you don't realize that drawing manga implies drawing fundamentals. You just act as if every manga is Shin-Chan. If you draw a manga, then you draw the fundamentals. It's the same as learning fundamentals, you fucking retard.

If your manga looks shit in the end, then this is not the fault of manga. It is your fault of not being good at manga.
If you make a shitty oil painting, then you also don't blame it on the oil, you blame it on yourself who can't paint well.

[Anonymous No.3684826]

>>3684815
I'm the anon he called entry level, while I agree with what you say for the most part, I don't think berserk is all that mass market considering the content of the images, and the artist and writer seem truly passionate, it also has some real fucked up adult themes. I think that it's quite adult as well, and equating pictures to some lower form of art in comparison to pure literature is wrong. Images just replace words, that might in some cases make it easier to digest but that doesn't make it any less of a creation or "garbage literature". You're just talking about marvelshit. I haven't read many other western comics but I'm sure plenty aren't just capeshit.

[Anonymous No.3684828]

Is there even a place for a new anime artist? There is more anime art out there than anything else by far. It's just so fucking much. Why do you want to draw anime? You are not even a drop on the hot stone.

[Anonymous No.3684835]

>>3684825
Yeah if you only do heads you'll only learn heads absolutely yes when did I ever say otherwise? I act like every manga is shin chan? No, I read berserk like I said, the images have fundamentals like I said, but you don't learn things as well just by looking at them and deconstructing them, that's one way to learn though, it's called a master study, or just a study. Learning to study is also a fundamental concept btw, so yeah by studying manga you can learn to draw it, what you could do however alongside studying manga, is learn general principles of drawing to enhance that studying. Like learning chords on guitar alongside learning to play your favourite songs.

But you're bat
Bait
Bait
Bait
And yet I still replied so I wonder who the real retard is? Yeah it's me.

[Anonymous No.3684838]

>>3684828
"Because there is no market for cartoons in the west. Everything is being made to appeal to children."

This answer would be correct if we were 5 or 10 years in the past. We're in a time period where some companies are trying to break the mold but are pushing propaganda at the same time with their attempts. Anime does not do this 99% of the time. As soon as they take a hint and actually make good cartoons is when we'll finally be in another Renaissance. Until then, anime just is the superior choice.

[Anonymous No.3684841]

>>3684815
>entry level garbage literature
Oh look another ignorant retard who has no clue.
I could name you easily manga artists who are on a similar level as authors like Edogawa Rampo for example. But manga isn't just literature anyway, dumbfuck. It's fine art, movie, literature, even acting, all combined.

[Anonymous No.3684843]

>>3684835
>when did I ever say otherwise?
You are obviously retarded, and it makes no sense talking to you.

[Anonymous No.3684846]

>>3684843
Cool

[Anonymous No.3684851]

>>3684835
>>3684846
>you don't learn things as well just by looking at them
You are just a strawmanning retard. I never even talked about just "looking at manga". Again, I talked about drawing it.

You are obviously retarded.

[Anonymous No.3684854]

>>3684851
Yes

[Anonymous No.3684863]

>>3684841
>Rampo
>not genre fiction

Pick one. Detective stories are not literature. They are genre literature.

You have your brain rotten by genre fiction. None of that shit is literature or art. They are products.

[Anonymous No.3684864]

>>3684841
Sure, name 3 so we can laugh at your expense

[Anonymous No.3684866]

>>3684863
>Literature, most generically, is any body of written works. More restrictively, literature refers to writing considered to be an art form, or any single writing deemed to have artistic or intellectual value, often due to deploying language in ways that differ from ordinary usage.

You obviously don't even know what literature actually is.

[Anonymous No.3684870]

>>3684864
I am not here to spoonfeed you. It's clear that you are just ignorant retards here. Would make zero sense to spoonfeed you. You are ignorant on purpose.

[Anonymous No.3684875]

>>3684101
Mistakes unclear, can still fap to this

[Anonymous No.3684878]

>>3684866
>More restrictively, literature refers to writing considered to be an art form, or any single writing deemed to have artistic or intellectual value, often due to deploying language in ways that differ from ordinary usage.

Indeed, thats why 99.99% 9f books dont make the cut and why academics had to separate them between literature and genre literature.

[Anonymous No.3684879]

>>3684563
>Just like you wouldnt learn architecture engineering by walking inside a huge ass building
Odd comparison. Walking inside "a huge ass building" expecting to learn anything architectural isn't comparable to copying artwork. Building an exact replica of said building would teach you a lot about architecture, as copying art does drawing.

[Anonymous No.3684881]

>>3684878
>Literature is classified according to whether it is fiction or non-fiction, and whether it is poetry or prose. It can be further distinguished according to major forms such as the novel, short story or drama; and works are often categorized according to historical periods or their adherence to certain aesthetic features or expectations (genre).

Again, you still don't even seem to know what literature actually is.

[Anonymous No.3684883]

>>3684863
You sound like this retard: >>3677947

[Anonymous No.3684959]

>>3684494
This guys perspective is okay but his composition is not, no wonder that the picture looks awkward, I can't see their faces
before you draw something you need to know why you're drawing it.

[Anonymous No.3684974]

>>3684959
That's what happens when your dick tells you what to draw. Many hentai artists can draw and paint really good, but they have no clue about good composition, because it's not really a strength of porn.

[Anonymous No.3684983]

>>3684959
>>3684974
Although, it is a good composition from a comical standpoint.
Many hentai artists also do "bad compositions" on purpose because it looks funny.

[Anonymous No.3685069]

>>3684660
>using My Anime List
Not art discussion. Also kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.3685075]

>>3684808
>>3684810
>I want someone banned because I don't like it. Go back to R.eddit and Artstation then.

[Anonymous No.3685077]

>>3685069

Confirmed you don't consume anime and don't know shit. I rest my case.

[Anonymous No.3685083]

>>3685077

[Anonymous No.3685160]

>>3684122
The girl has her hands tied (?) behind her back while the guy is leaning over with left hand grabbing her arms and the other pulling off her bra while he sticks his dick between her boobs.

[Anonymous No.3685294]

What are fundies?

[Anonymous No.3685328]

>>3684870
You are the angriest spastic weeaboo autist I've seen in a long time. A literal fedoralord defending his waifu

[Anonymous No.3685420]

>>3684088
I want this. /ic/, teach me how to learn anime before fundies

[Anonymous No.3685422]

>>3685420
no clear way but most would recommend copy the animu pic you like first

[Anonymous No.3685425]

Please enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.3685427]

>>3685077
I watch anime you fucking tard. I'm currently watching Zombie Land Saga. Learn how to reply to posts you fucking newfag.

[Anonymous No.3685428]

>>3685427
post your mal then

[Anonymous No.3685436]

>>3685428
I watch anime and don't use MAL either. It's a fucking circlejerk.
>Oh what's that you don't like {insert overrated pretentions r*ddit anime}??? Well let me look at your profile. Oh wow, you watched {insert any show at all}, I rest my case

[Anonymous No.3685447]

>>3685436
>it's a fucking circlejerk

It's just at tracker of what you watched and a recommendation feed. You don't have to participate in ratings, clubs, forums or whatever.

You're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.3685449]

>>3685447
Bullshit. Your entire post. Throw it in the trash, along with the entire monogatari series.

[Anonymous No.3685454]

>>3685449
no list means I cant take you seriously.You don't watch anime end of story.

[Anonymous No.3685455]

>>3685447
>It's not a cirklejerk because you don't have to participate in the circlejerk!
lmao

[Anonymous No.3685459]

I can't imagine being so autistic that you need a website membership to "keep track" of every anime you've ever watched.
Also can't imagine being so autistic that someone's lack of membership in said autism website would make you think they don't watch anime. kek

[Anonymous No.3685460]

>>3685455
You're retarded. It's literally just a site to track your anime. You don't watch anime nor nearly care enough to mark what you've watched.


You're either a casual norm who needs to leave my /ic/ or just a faggot in general.

[Anonymous No.3685461]

>>3685459
>Also can't imagine being so autistic that someone's lack of membership in said autism website would make you think they don't watch anime. kek
Because you don't. Now kys,

[Anonymous No.3685462]

>>3685460
Alright, you're a really bad troll. Last (You)

[Anonymous No.3685468]

>>3685462
Uhh how am I the one trolling? Just admit you don't watch anime. The purpose of it is to

1. keep track of anime
2. find new recommendations that get buried from your view
3. recommend others anime based on notes you left for yourself

One just does not watch anime and not keep tabs on the things they've watched. You don't watch anime end of story. Now be quiet.

[Anonymous No.3685470]

@3685468
*yawn*

[Anonymous No.3685471]

>>3685470
you don't watch anime end of story

[Anonymous No.3685474]

@3685471
post work

[Anonymous No.3685476]

>>3685474
post mal

[Anonymous No.3685477]

cringe

[Anonymous No.3685480]

>>3685477

You don't watch anime. End your life.

[Anonymous No.3685490]

>>3685425
Very creative clavicles

[Anonymous No.3685492]

Are all threads on ic this GOOD?

[Anonymous No.3686004]

>>3684101
You got a rough road ahead of you, dude.