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Beginner Thread Anonymous Tue Nov 13 09:29:28 2018 No.3677280 [Reply] [Original]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Previous Thread >>3669924 → #

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:
1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead
2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller
3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY if you need guidance when you haven't even started

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

REMEMBER, if you've just started out you work will not be good, it doesn't need to be, just get in to the swing of actually drawing, and learning how to study. Most of all, enjoy it.

"Success is no accident. It is hard work, perseverance, learning, studying, sacrifice and most of all, love of what you are doing or learning to do."

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 09:31:53 2018 No.3677287
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ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 09:36:42 2018 No.3677291 File: 45 KB, 894x894, iu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ok i tried to do it like ilya and took a photo and tried to use it

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 09:37:13 2018 No.3677292 File: 51 KB, 894x894, kpopgirl1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677291 second

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 09:43:45 2018 No.3677296
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Hi. /Beg/inner here. Just did this from a book i have, is called Draw Step by step by Doug DuBosque however it has zero theory and just exercises without any explanation of technique nor theory. Is this a good way to start? Or should i move on and look for more resorceful material?

I basically just copied the drawings, he draw some cirles and write little inscructions but never explain why.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 09:45:55 2018 No.3677298 File: 776 KB, 2541x2340, IMG_20181112_145416678.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677296 Here are the originals (1/2)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 09:46:42 2018 No.3677302 File: 861 KB, 2304x2267, IMG_20181112_145357979.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677296 >>3677298 (2/2)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:02:27 2018 No.3677310 File: 203 KB, 960x1280, IMG_0335.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Gib reference please

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:06:07 2018 No.3677315 >>3677310 Are you left handed

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:08:39 2018 No.3677319 >>3677291 >>3677292 Not bad you are improving anon keep going do those studies you are already on your way!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:10:33 2018 No.3677321 >>3677315 I'm ambidextrous

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:18:27 2018 No.3677326 >>3677321 wow I am fucking jealous anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:26:11 2018 No.3677328 File: 750 KB, 853x1463, 2018-11-13 10.25.09.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Same bad camera but hopefully better armor since last thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:26:32 2018 No.3677329 >>3677321 Your drawing leans to the right a little, I thought you'd been drawing with your left hand and that maybe you should rotate the page slightly when you draw.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 11:02:15 2018 No.3677351

Needs some advice:

Last few weeks I've been stumbling across different books on trying to learn to draw (ultimate goal is character designing/pinups), till I decided on learning the fundamentals according to the /ic/ sticky with observation first.

That said, its starting to feel like a grind and its getting harder to do the usual 2 hours a day I spend on it (a separate hour is dedicated to line control ala Dynamic Sketching exercises) and I havent gotten to construction and perspective yet.

I know it falls under "rendering" but I love to play with pen and ink and really want to practice it with some books I got recently on the subject. Is it alright to jump into that for a while or continue the grind in order?

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 11:05:56 2018 No.3677355

>>3677351
Anon, this is the army you know, feel free to go on the tempo you prefer. At the core art is indeed a huge grind so feel free to take short breaks from it here and there you are only human. As long as you are aware of what you need to do you are fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 11:10:09 2018 No.3677357 >>3677355 >Anon, this is the army you know, meant to say this is NOT the army

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 11:12:10 2018 No.3677358 File: 2.44 MB, 4000x3000, value studesi1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] value studies

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>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 11:16:32 2018 No.3677364 >>3677351 You can do both at the same time, giving half your time to each. Why dont you do your fundie exercises and then render them in ink afterward for something to look forward to?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 11:44:58 2018 No.3677382 would i get good if i would just start drawing sketches and concepts mindlessly for hours or is it a stupid idea

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 11:48:40 2018 No.3677384 >>3677355 >>3677364 Guess I can try just that. Thanks anons

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 11:55:52 2018 No.3677388 File: 264 KB, 1488x1578, 20181113_values.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tried some value practices, can someone please tell me where I'm going wrong?

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 11:57:32 2018 No.3677389

>>3677382
it is not a stupid idea but it is not very smart in the long term. Sketching or just drawing something everyday helps if anything it builds your confidence and allows you to aspire for more and get serious about learning more like the fundies. Art is a grind at its core so anything to build mileage is good. However it has the danger of getting bored of it and feeling clueless, burning out or getting into a rut of not knowing what to do.

In all seriousness Anon if you feel that can get you into working and just drawing regularly every day then go for it but do not forget to hone your skills by learning the fundamentals. But I am sure if you keep at it soon you will automatically get the urge to learn the fundies. That is how it happened with me too.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 11:58:12 2018 No.3677390

>>3677382
You don't just get good by doing the same thing over and over again.

Do something thing, carefully and critically look at it to see what went wrong, compare against references, look up guides on how to effectively capture what you're going for, and repeat until you have nothing left to fix.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 12:00:40 2018 No.3677393 File: 1.08 MB, 2340x3051, IMG_20181113_010342131.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How does getting over "Symbol Drawing" helps with drawing by imagination and not just to copy things?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 12:00:54 2018 No.3677394 >>3677389 >>3677390 i'll think about these, thanks

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 12:03:26 2018 No.3677397

>>3677393
because instead of drawing what you see (if you could take a picture of exactly what you are seeing), you are drawing the same object but how it looks inside you mind. something that might be kinda shaped like a tube, becomes a perfect tube because its a better shape, and an eye might become bigger and more clear instead of drawing every little eyebrow hair.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 12:26:32 2018 No.3677420 >>3677328 Noice shield. Has a good weight to it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 12:42:28 2018 No.3677434 >>3677388 strong Morrowind vibes

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:04:12 2018 No.3677452 File: 381 KB, 800x900, the one with the hat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] gotta keep drawing

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:05:25 2018 No.3677453 >>3677452 please do a group picture!

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:38:32 2018 No.3677475

>>3677296
Eh, you know anon, those aren’t looking bad. Yeah, you should probably learn the theory and reasoning behind why he has broken down the drawing to those specific steps and those specific shapes. In the long run it will be more useful to you. You’ll be able to apply that type of knowledge to any drawing and any subject.

That being said there is some merit to just focusing on the pure act of drawing. It can be useful to just sit down and draw something with all of the real thinking done for you. It frees you up to focus entirely on things like hand-eye coordination, accuracy of line, shape and form, line quality and the other things that relate to the physical act of drawing.

Excercizes like these take care of the heavy lifting for you, they figure out the subject for you, the angle, the pose, they break the subject down to basic shapes and forms for you, figure out your light source and even the entire workflow. It’s definitely not the most efficient way to learn how to draw, but if you keep in mind that you should be learning theory and fundamentals I don’t see the harm, it can even be beneficial. On top of that, you get a decent drawing at the end that keeps you motivated to go further. Just don’t let it build bad habits.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:40:15 2018 No.3677477

for doing gesture, I shouldn't bother adding musculature until after I have a decent sense for proportions and knowledge about muscles right? If I'm trying to get a decent sense for gesture from reference + imagination, is some basic anatomy/proportions where I should focus next?

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 13:56:10 2018 No.3677488
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Right is WIP after some days of Loomis. Is there any noticeable improvement? (impatient, I know)

I'm unsure how to apply Loomis to drawing from reference. What I did in right pic was start out doing initial measurements, then sort of try to tie things together using construction.
I tried starting out with a circle and establishing the browline etc. but it did not look good at all.

Looking at it I can see at least a few things that went wrong, so that's good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:08:10 2018 No.3677537 can someone explain why draw a box is controversial?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:28:45 2018 No.3677560 File: 369 KB, 356x1000, terso.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] from a wooden mannequin

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:30:23 2018 No.3677562 >>3677541 >beginner you are no beginner anon

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:31:47 2018 No.3677564

What's a good first book to ease a complete beginner into drawing? It's been a long time since I've studied anything and I am finding it hard to really get into the usual recommended books (Perspective made easy etc).

From what I have read there is a significant grind to improve, I would just like to slowly ramp up the grind and ease myself in.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:32:13 2018 No.3677565

>>3677537
iirc, the guy who made it took Peter Han's course in person as a beginner, then after working on art for a couple years, turned around and ripped off the lessons with his own version of them. Although the lessons are free, he is trying to profit off them via patreon where he'll critique for moneys. Some people say he has no business teaching at this point as he is an intermediate artist, and with essentially someone else's lessons (that he redrew).

Basically it's a discount bargain bin dollar store knockoff of Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching course.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:39:55 2018 No.3677571 File: 14 KB, 640x618, gesture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Working on gesture. I'm not quite fast enough.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:40:30 2018 No.3677573

>>3677564
Are you absolutely incapable of drawing, regard it as basically magic, drawing look like a 5 year old's stick figure family? Start with Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards.

Can you passably doodle, if you had to draw a simple sketch of a piece of fruit or a cat could someone tell what it was, and that an adult drew it, even if it was kind of shitty? Have you drawn something in the last half decade? Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:49:55 2018 No.3677584 File: 359 KB, 1000x600, 11218.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Goddamn I fucked this one up. I went oranger on the skin to compensate for my monitor on my touchscreen laptop, but I way overdid it...

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:52:59 2018 No.3677588 >>3677584 It's alright. Now she's sunburned and hoping to go back outside again!

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:53:14 2018 No.3677589

>>3677571
Yes! That's the stuff anon! Do not worry about not being fast enough or anything. It is a grind a long grind, just keep up with it daily and you will get better. Be careful not to overstrain your arm/wrist by trying to be too fast it happened to me several times.
You are good now is the time for patience and persistence you will feel better in a week or so if you stick to it, there will be days when your gestures will be shit and days when you will be good. Do not read into that and panic thinking that you suddenly stopped improving or some shit, it is just one day that didn't go well, one of many. Keep at it!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 15:59:15 2018 No.3677593 >>3677589 Thank you! I will!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 16:09:19 2018 No.3677596 File: 69 KB, 492x640, 70a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677593

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 16:15:27 2018 No.3677601 >>3677584 Try color replace or fuck with levels

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 16:24:29 2018 No.3677609 >>3677565 so peter han is ss and dab is sl5x5?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 16:36:14 2018 No.3677619 File: 115 KB, 675x1200, at_night.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is my art

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 16:38:43 2018 No.3677623 File: 75 KB, 800x533, fertig tod.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is mine

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 16:46:04 2018 No.3677630 Did the guy who drew the world of warcaft character with her tongue out come back and show his results? Also, going through the Dynamic Sketching video from the sticky, fuck me this is some good exercises.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 16:47:56 2018 No.3677633 Any good tips/sources on improving my proportions? Trying to draw what i see and that's giving me the biggest headache at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 16:51:14 2018 No.3677637 >>3677609 >so peter han is ss and dab is sl5x5? Fucking lmao.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:00:58 2018 No.3677648

I always wanted to learn to draw so I came here last night and read the sticky. I’ve been loomising for 24 hours straight and all tho I see some improvement I’m still having a lot of difficulty especially with the nose mouth chin area. How long did it take you to really get good at drawing character heads?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:10:45 2018 No.3677659 File: 881 KB, 953x1200, shani.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It looks passable, as long as you don't know the image I was painting I was trying to study...

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:12:33 2018 No.3677662 File: 1.17 MB, 953x1200, mrsjenswolff.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677659 but as soon as you see them side by side... yikes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:15:40 2018 No.3677665 What be your preferred method for drawing the head and eyes? Currently work with Loomis but would like to pick up other methods to try. Have seen a tutorial by Conoghi that used a triangle, not sure who that one is by, though.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:20:53 2018 No.3677668

>>3677633
Drawing from life and measuring parts of the subject again other parts.

Got a figure? Take a pencil hold it up and measure the torso with your thumb. Then do the same thing with the head and match it against the measurement you got with the torso.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:22:57 2018 No.3677669 File: 1.01 MB, 2732x2048, 57D61600-DA1E-497D-A640-5952F9946329.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677648 Forgot pic, this is where I am after one day of Loomis. I’m an absolute beginner. Also I’m using nootropics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:28:17 2018 No.3677671 >>3677488 Definitely an improvement on right side just harder to tell because it's unfinished atm. Left side looks more flat and disproportionate.

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:29:12 2018 No.3677673

>>3677609
DAB be significantly more accessible and friendly than Han. Might be using Han's lessons but it be much more enjoyable than drilling from a book. That in itself makes it okay for him to farm shekels w/ Patreon imo.

Current figure drawing teacher bases his entire curriculum off of a combination of Vilppu and Loomis, but it's significantly less tedious because he presents them well and gives good feedback.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:48:48 2018 No.3677691 >>3677659 >>3677662 Hah

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:50:01 2018 No.3677692

>>3677673
Well, everyone learns from someone, teaching a class using a textbook is no crime. I think the heart of the matter is whether he is qualified to teach period.

I haven't seen any of Han's lessons. Personally I got annoyed with with dab's tone and how he would say stuff like 'I dont expect you to be able to do this'. Why give people assignments you haven't given them the tools to complete? 'This is too hard for you, unlike myself but go ahead and fail at it anyway. Oh I didnt explain how to do it? Yeah I know.'

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:50:49 2018 No.3677694
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im so fucking mad i restarted the fucking upside down picasso twice and i can't do it right everything is spaced out wrong i can't fucking match the proportions even though i'm literally just drawing the lines as i see them

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 17:58:02 2018 No.3677698

>>3677694
Are you actually measuring in a rough way or no? Like 'this line is twice as long as that one over there, and the distance between them is half as long as the first line' or something? Nothing mathematically perfect just ballpark will help.

Beyond that dont agonize too much over it and quit starting over. You're a beginner and it's not expected to be a 1:1 copy. The point of the exercise is to get past seeing things as a 'leg' or 'nose' and just see shapes and lines. To make you understand how all things are made up stuff you can draw if you let go of your associations like 'I cant draw hands'.

Do your best and finish up tonight. Laugh if it looks stupid and get on with your next task.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:00:14 2018 No.3677700 File: 32 KB, 640x643, ddddddd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677571 more practice, feeling pretty relaxed today

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:09:46 2018 No.3677706 if I can in my opinion draw better on paper than on my shitty no-screen tablet, would it be wrong to just draw shit on paper and then trace it for a final work?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:13:00 2018 No.3677708 >>3677706 It's pretty much how I do things, dude. It's still drawing either way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:13:50 2018 No.3677709 >>3677706 Whatever works for you. I don't see the problem with that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:16:04 2018 No.3677712 The worst thing about using a drawing tablet is that without seeing my stylus in relation to my strokes, it's hard to create lines exactly as I want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:19:36 2018 No.3677715 >>3677712 yeah exactly, that's why I'm considering>>3677706 cause I've just tried 20 times to draw a 90 degree vertical line and failed

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:24:08 2018 No.3677721
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after what seemed like a good streak, I now seem to be in a bit of a rut and I feel like this is turning out poorly. Can anyone redline this to help out with the fabric folds? I feel like they're to coming out right

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:26:39 2018 No.3677724 File: 1.08 MB, 3024x3024, C2-C8-CB84-E141-4-AA3-9770-5504-A357-F082.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i've been drawing a shit-ton lately. here's something i'm proud of

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:29:12 2018 No.3677727 File: 499 KB, 1157x1637, picashit resized.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677698 i dont even know what my next task is, i started betty edwards but idk if it's a meme book or not

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:42:37 2018 No.3677739 >>3677727 Personally, I find the reading is so off-putting that it's not enough to tell people to ignore it. You're better off going through Keys to Drawing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 18:58:16 2018 No.3677760 >>3677739 guess i'll (start over) with keys since i'm not far into edwards anyway

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 19:02:48 2018 No.3677765

>>3677669
What nootropics are you on my dude
Also think about the underlying idea of loomis, construction based on 3D geometric shapes and the manipulation and combination of them while applying perspective
Drawing well takes fucking forever, but keep at it

Anonymous Tue Nov 13 19:05:20 2018 No.3677769
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I've just started practicing with lights and shadows because I used not to even colour my drawings. Please tell me if the lightning makes sense (the thingy at the upper right corner is supposed to indicate where the light is coming from). Thank you a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 19:06:19 2018 No.3677770 File: 83 KB, 1028x824, Howdoigitgud.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do i make my lineart clean and 3d, and how to make coloring looks good /beg/ ? In short, what did i do wrong pls ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 19:06:24 2018 No.3677771 >>3677769 OP here. Sorry, I meant 'upper left corner'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 19:21:48 2018 No.3677787 >>3677765 100mg modalert daily. I’m oldfag now but on mod alert I have the unlimited focus and drive that I had in my 20s. I’m still grinding on these. Still having a lot of issues with the noses but I feel like I’ve made progress in a day and a half.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 19:34:02 2018 No.3677799 >>3677659 head's too big

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 19:37:47 2018 No.3677808 How do you personally draw the head?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 19:38:13 2018 No.3677809 >>3677770 I suggest you explore cel shading it's simple and effective if done right

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 19:41:48 2018 No.3677811 >>3677808 I draw 2 horizontal lines for eyes 1 vertical line for nose & mouth and then just apply the 3d shapes onto this frame very easy also my faces improved drastically after I stopped doing they loomis carved ball shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 19:59:33 2018 No.3677817 https://youtu.be/QkAu-s4guC8

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 20:39:10 2018 No.3677846 >>3677811 >also my faces improved drastically after I stopped doing they loomis carved ball shit well that's how loomis work anon it's there to teach you the fundamentals the rest is up to you

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 20:39:27 2018 No.3677847 >>3677811 Pls give example

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 20:48:03 2018 No.3677855 File: 52 KB, 826x652, 001002003.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677847 not him but I think he meant pic related

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 21:20:08 2018 No.3677909 File: 29 KB, 600x600, D44E9F5F-63D8-4D47-A517-3748FF938C43.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] did this really fast in procreate on my ipad. still getting used to the tools and the fucking color wheel. did i goof buying this thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 21:20:15 2018 No.3677910 >>3677855 Ah ok, thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 21:29:32 2018 No.3677918 File: 132 KB, 1080x1920, 46271387_277934432859276_2082613595832582144_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Page 1 of Drawabox Lesson 5

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 22:28:07 2018 No.3677964 File: 108 KB, 780x691, line art.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why does my line art look several times worse then my sketches?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 22:32:17 2018 No.3677971 >>3677964 Soul vs souless

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 22:32:58 2018 No.3677974 >>3677971 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 22:35:29 2018 No.3677978 >>3677964 no difference in line weights

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 22:42:02 2018 No.3677992 >>3677978 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 23:34:59 2018 No.3678037 File: 335 KB, 800x878, gestures.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How's this for gesture/figure practice? Is this the sort of work I should be doing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 23:48:13 2018 No.3678054 File: 346 KB, 665x557, 3677280.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677659 Any particular reason why you're using a large brush even in detailed areas? Do you start with an under drawing?

>>	Calcium (Ca) Wed Nov 14 01:01:31 2018 No.3678134 >>3677619 Want to see more of it

Calcium (Ca) Wed Nov 14 01:05:25 2018 No.3678136
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Started drawing exactly a momth ago going by the sticky I'm shocked at the improvement... I don't want to draw portraits but god it feels good to draw something recognizable
My first portrait suffered from a hard symbole drawing syndrome... Also how to improve more..???

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 01:41:06 2018 No.3678156 >>3677964 Bowl, BOWLESS.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 01:41:59 2018 No.3678158 File: 22 KB, 640x662, OnePawnch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 01:44:25 2018 No.3678159 File: 254 KB, 800x900, kurisu 3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] drew ol kurisu

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 01:46:50 2018 No.3678163 >>3678159 Stop drawing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 01:48:08 2018 No.3678165 File: 315 KB, 675x1200, 111318a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678134 Stuff from today

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 01:53:19 2018 No.3678171 File: 267 KB, 800x900, image.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678159

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 01:56:45 2018 No.3678175 >>3678171 i don't understand

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 02:05:21 2018 No.3678182 >>3678175 Your art is SHIT and it deserves to be ridiculed to shit.

>>	Calcium (Ca) Wed Nov 14 02:21:22 2018 No.3678190 >>3678165 I like it very much thank you

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 02:43:44 2018 No.3678203 I see people recommending 1 minute gesture drawings but when I go on the site I see they also have a category for faces. Should I be doing quick drawings of faces as well? Would that actually teach you anything from drawing faces so quickly?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 02:56:37 2018 No.3678205 >>3677397 I'm not OP, but do you have a reference for Symbol drawing. That has the Original/reference image on the side and the symbol drawing on one side. Or can you post your works if you still have em? I'm struggling a lot with symbol drawing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 03:00:06 2018 No.3678206 >>3678205 Read drawing from the right side of your brain by Betty Edward's

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 03:05:24 2018 No.3678209 File: 773 KB, 1004x768, drawing.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Something seems off but I can't tell what

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 03:17:49 2018 No.3678212 >>3678205 It's literally the second picture in the thread >>3677287

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 03:27:43 2018 No.3678218 File: 162 KB, 638x825, studies8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 03:30:37 2018 No.3678219
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>>3678206
>>3678212
I'm not a really bright person am I. Forgive me. Anyways, I'm attaching my drawing. Been trying to do shading with hatching, what does secondary light source means? And how do people interpret in their drawing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 03:31:31 2018 No.3678220 >>3678209 is that your drawing? well, for starters, his dick is coming out of where his nipple should be, otherwise fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 03:32:13 2018 No.3678221 >>3678209 I don't know why but this is the funniest shit I've seen in a long time, thank you

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 03:34:42 2018 No.3678222 >>3678209 thanks for the inspiring post fellow /beg/gar

>>	Nosebro Wed Nov 14 03:35:05 2018 No.3678224 File: 114 KB, 1513x1257, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677770

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 04:17:00 2018 No.3678240 File: 274 KB, 800x900, mustache.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678159 Quick! You can pretend to be someone else if you put on a clever disguise.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 05:09:49 2018 No.3678282
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>>3678209
Perspective is off between the bed and the floor I tried to correct it a bit here. Shading is still lacking, you did a lot of work on the boobs but lower body needs to have shading too. I tilted the legs and the pussy to the right a bit.

As>>3678220 mentioned the dick looks like it is coming out of the poor guy's nipple (I mean, if that is your fetish go for it I guess), I get that you want to show off the porn area but it is better if you make him have a chest at least.

Otherwise well done keep improving.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 05:37:52 2018 No.3678300 >>3678218 what is this called again?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 05:44:50 2018 No.3678302 >>3678300 Values?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 05:52:32 2018 No.3678305 >>3677584 dont draw thots for the love of god

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 07:51:23 2018 No.3678362
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Where do I go/what do I read to learn how to put shadows?

When I look at images like pic related and see the shadows all of it look so random to me.

I could probably find a better example but I'm hoping this is enough to get my point across.

Also, what do you call this kind of style of doing shadows and highlights as opposed to a softer blend like you see in paintings?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 08:22:40 2018 No.3678375 File: 172 KB, 1000x1000, sm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I did the sketch on paper first and then traced it hows this

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 08:24:21 2018 No.3678379
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>>3677769
In reality a small hole like that would barely produce enough light to illuminate a person but since this is an art study let us say we point a light to her.

When dealing with that look for light reflective surface on the face, the hair is quite reflective in general the eyeball is very reflective. Also round surfaces like the eyeballs the nose lips eyelids can serve. Make sure the eyeball's highlight spot faces towards the light source as if it was a round mirror. You also can use the geography of the face to great effect to show lights and shadows like the lips for example.

I saw you start a purplish reflected light on the shirt from the right side, good use that to help the visual detail of the ,form I added it to the hair as well.

Keep up the good work anon!

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 08:25:25 2018 No.3678380 >>3678362 it is called "cell shading"

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 08:32:07 2018 No.3678386 >>3678375 Okay anon next thing you should do is set up a light source and start to experiment with cell shading.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 08:58:50 2018 No.3678402
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I know perspective is all over the place, but apart from it I can't isolate what else is going wrong here

Any help appreciated, was trying to do something similiar to how watercolor artists paint this type of scenes

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>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 10:02:21 2018 No.3678436 File: 254 KB, 1000x1000, iusmall.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678386 okay meanwhile also did this

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 10:55:24 2018 No.3678476 >>3677609 I've been giggling like a moron all day every time I remember this post. Seriously anon. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 10:57:42 2018 No.3678477 >>3677698 >The point of the exercise is to get past seeing things as a 'leg' or 'nose' and just see shapes and lines. Now I actually understand what y'all say when you talk about "symbol drawing". Don't draw a leg, draw two lines?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 11:00:17 2018 No.3678480 File: 203 KB, 514x700, 20181114_105801.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I feel like blowing my brains out. Trying to learn drawing has been such a fucking waste of my time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 11:05:56 2018 No.3678481 How the traditional painting/drawing affects your cg skills and vice versa? I've definitely noticed some huge improvements after traditional classes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 11:35:41 2018 No.3678504 >>3678480 How is that come then?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 11:40:34 2018 No.3678509 File: 782 KB, 1280x715, 1540826091456.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >just draw lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 11:48:17 2018 No.3678516 >>3678509 Keep making excuses for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 12:29:41 2018 No.3678549 File: 124 KB, 1440x1500, 16 02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678432

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 12:37:58 2018 No.3678555

>>3678054
Normally I use linedrawings to get a better feel for size and composition, but had problems with that approach, as I never managed to get rid of the lineart afterwards without everything falling apart. For this I basically just started eyeballing stuff and laying down color as soon as possible, and then refining.
So, the answer to your question is: I didn't get around to spending enough time on rendering yet.
But if you have a better approach/workflow I'm definitely willing to try.
(out of curiousity: are you the anon from the 'try to draw this ridiculously detailed jewel-encrusted skeleton'-thread?)

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 12:42:33 2018 No.3678563

>>3678136
You don't have to just do portraits, you can do still lifes, animals, nature in general, enviroments, industrial design things. Copying is usually the fastest way when starting out, but if you aim is to do imagination work or more creative work you might want to also do some sketching and fun drawing alongside to keep track of what you learn.

>>3678218
This reminds me I need to do more of these, and focus on shapes and simplifying. Keep it up!

>>3678402
It feels a bit blurry, not sure if you want to imply motion, also the values make it feel as if it was dawn? Or very early in the morning and foggy. The thumbnail looks good overall. So probably you just need to polish, and a bit more structure with brushstrokes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:10:49 2018 No.3678639 isnt construction just symbol drawing

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:14:46 2018 No.3678642 File: 1.00 MB, 2160x2160, 20181114_111125.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:16:04 2018 No.3678645 >>3678639 Prove it. Also define symbol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:18:30 2018 No.3678649 >>3678645 symbol as something you have a definition of from memory

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:41:28 2018 No.3678671 >>3678639 No not really. Symbol means more 2D like. Symbol drawing is obvious because you can tell there's no consideration of the actual 3D form.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 15:00:58 2018 No.3678686

>>3678639 >>3678645 >>3678649
I'm reading this since someone recommended it and that made me think. Not original anon asking. https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/perspect1.html#distortion

Renaissance and Baroque artists who experimented with these effects understood that perspective paintings are effective even when they are not viewed from the center of projection. This is sometimes called Zeeman's paradox, but the paradox is purely conceptual: it assumes we view a perspective representation as a retinal simulation, when in fact we view it as a two dimensional painting. In other words, perspective constructions create visual symbols, not visual illusions. The key is that paintings lack the depth of field cues created by binocular vision; we are always aware a painting is flat rather than deep. And that is how our mind interprets it, adjusting our understanding of the painting to compensate for our position.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 15:22:04 2018 No.3678717 >>3678686 If you think MacEvoy's use of the word symbol in in that paragraph is the same use of symbol in "symbol drawing" then you've thoroughly misunderstood his explanation of Zeeman's paradox

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 15:48:34 2018 No.3678741

>>3678717
I can hear the blood boiling from you from here lol. It made me think that ultimately everything is a symbol for us to transfer information, some symbols are just fancier are more elegant than others, but you will never recreate anything truly real, just make belief it is. Which is refreshing actually.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 15:50:46 2018 No.3678742 >>3678741 deep, dude

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 15:52:07 2018 No.3678746 >>3678741 Wrong board anon, this is for artists not philosophers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 15:54:26 2018 No.3678749 >>3678741 It's not unreasonable dumb things down and stretch the term symbol to encompass the entirety of visual art (or even further, like you have done), but the term "symbol drawing" loses all meaning in that paradigm

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:00:30 2018 No.3678755

>>3678741
>>3678742
>>3678746
you guys ever think about how like everything we see is just like photons man... like it's not even real but people pretend like it's real.... it's like you can really let go of it all once you realize that it's all just like lights rays man...

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:07:44 2018 No.3678758

>>3678639
It can be. Symbol drawing basically means you're trying to draw something, say, an apple, but you're too uninformed to actually draw it, so you try to use your mind's idea of the apple to fill in the blanks. In short, it simply means you are ignorant of the subject matter you are trying to draw. This can happen with or without construction; just because you know how to put together spheres and boxes, doesn't mean you're suddenly not symbol drawing anymore. Furthermore, just because something is "cartoony", doesn't mean it's symbol drawing by default. Toddlers symbol draw with their doodles because they don't know any better, professional cartoonists use applied knowledge to create cartoons that are grounded in reality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:13:10 2018 No.3678763 >>3678758 So what you're saying is that art is all symbols. Don't know what the big deal is about that if that's the way you want to think about art that way if you want to, it's up to you.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:13:34 2018 No.3678764
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>>3678555
>Normally I use linedrawings to get a better feel for size and composition, but had problems with that approach

Not starting with a line drawing is a mistake. Not only is it the blueprint of the painting, it is also clear that the original artist used the canvas itself during the composition process, intentionally aligning important body contours with corners, midpoints, and quarterpoints. It made things easier for him, and it makes things easier for you. This painting is easier to study than most because of this logical design foundation.

Studying shouldn't just be direct copying. You should be reverse-engineering the entire creation process in your mind, from drawing to design to painting. If you don't draw, you're losing out on a big chunk of studying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:17:00 2018 No.3678767 >>3678763 >So what you're saying is that art is all symbols. Sure, if you just ignore the entire point of my post and argue semantics like a disingenuous retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:22:02 2018 No.3678773 >>3678639 >isnt construction just symbol drawing >>3678758 >It can be. So no, it isn't _just_ symbol drawing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:27:36 2018 No.3678779 >>3678767 What I'm saying is, is that, I don't see what the big deal is about looking at art as symbols is all about. What's wrong with it?

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:41:08 2018 No.3678799

>>3678779
It's not wrong I just think personally that thinking past symbols makes the subject feel more there. Its how you're thinking about it in your head. Are you figuring out how something looks through construction or are you using pre-determined symbols?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:41:55 2018 No.3678802 >>3678779 What's the point you are trying to make? That symbol drawing is a myth and everything is symbol drawing? Or that art isnt symbols?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:42:12 2018 No.3678803 File: 155 KB, 1000x1000, fawfawfawfaf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ok I think I did a good job with the hair fucked up the face cause I didn't make the sketch precise enough lessons: make the sketch as precise as possible

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:43:31 2018 No.3678804 >>3678799 >pre-determined symbols but anon, given what we know of cause and effect, isn't everything predetermined?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:46:45 2018 No.3678805 >>3678804 The fuck are you on

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:47:47 2018 No.3678806

>>3678779
The goal of talking about symbol drawing is about getting an artist into a mindset that's geared towards studying reality and learning as much as you can from it to make your art better. I have no idea why you're so stuck on the semantics of the word "symbol", it accomplishes absolutely nothing of value. if you want to reduce literally all art to "symbols" as some kind of justification for not improving, then be my guest

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:48:38 2018 No.3678807 File: 33 KB, 600x605, 1541985261657.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678799 arent geometric shapes symbols too? you're just trying to imagine them from different angles in your mind's eye

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:50:39 2018 No.3678808 File: 12 KB, 200x200, 200iq.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678807 symbols everywhere... all i see are symbols... it's refreshing actually

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:51:17 2018 No.3678809

Just realized it's been almost a year since I bought a tablet and started drawing.
I have made very little progress...
I obviously didn't spend enough time drawing, but at this rate I will stay a /beg/ until the day I retire.
I obviously enjoy drawing, but it can be very frustrating to be dissatisfied with everything I draw. How do you guys deal with these feelings? Do you have to start drawing when you're 5 so you won't have these kinds of inhibitions?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:52:31 2018 No.3678811 >>3678809 >How do you guys deal with these feelings? Get out of here while you still can... lest you be sucked into a debate about something as banal as symbol drawing

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:54:58 2018 No.3678815

>>3678809
Same dude, I bought a tablet in december of last year and after a few days the initial confidence wore off and I realized I sucked at everything so I just couldn't find the mental fortitude to continue trying anymore. I've picked it up time and again since then but I always end up getting angry and stopping. I've made no progress.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:54:59 2018 No.3678816

>>3678742 >>3678746 >>3678749 >>3678755
Ha ha. I wasn't trying to go that deep but. Alright, when you refer to symbol drawing on this board I feel you mean someone isn't putting enough effort on their craft, the message they are conceiving is not convincing enough, lacks details, is plain, or has errors with encapsulation.
But, while reading that section I just, is all about a big con, about seeing how much smoke and mirrors can you pull to make as many people believe for an instant that what you are doing is something concrete, specific. But it just works under the right conditions, and that means, even if you try really hard or do really good, there will always be issues you can't control like people seeing the painting or picture from the wrong angle or position. So you try to aim to be your best possible self at the craft, but ultimately there's no right way to do it. Sometimes like with some of those paintings you fake your way through because is a necessity, because you need to reach as meany people as you can to convince them, so you make sacrifices or deform pictures in ways that wouldn't make sense otherwise.
Sometimes people talk around here like there's THE way and nothing else, but is just devouring information, then making the best decisions possible.
So when someone asked if it was symbol drawing and someone jumped to explaining 2D and 3D, I though about that paragraph.
(1/2)

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:55:25 2018 No.3678817 >>3678764 thank you very much for the indepth answer. I guess I did approach it more from a "copy stuff and you'll learn something along the way" perspective, but now that you say it, constructing kind of makes more sense. Appreciate your answers :)

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:56:52 2018 No.3678821 >>3678809 What do you want out of drawing? How often do you study and/or work outside your comfort zone? When you say you're dissatisfied, do you mean in general, or the results of your practice?

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 16:57:15 2018 No.3678822

>>3678816
The point being, we are always aware that a drawing is 2D, no matter how good we make it, it will always be seen as a symbol, it's just a very convincing one when we do it from the optimal conditions and it's brilliantly done, but it's still just someone being really good at their craft, knowledge and ideas. So shouldn't you really say they are performing poorly at convincing you with their skill rather than talk about symbol drawing?
I'm probably rambling now. But for people who are starting out, it's gonna become confusing I feel along the line because the actual meaning of "symbol drawing" is starting to become twisted or becoming some sort of dogma to follow for success. Do or die. I just felt it was funny.
(2/2)

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:06:34 2018 No.3678827 >>3678822 The point of someone saying you are "symbol" drawing is to point out the fact that you aren't actually drawing what's there but what your brain classifies what that thing looks like.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:07:09 2018 No.3678829 File: 343 KB, 1380x698, Symbol drawing.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678822 So something like this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:08:45 2018 No.3678831 >>3678809 How many hours a day have you been putting into it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:09:52 2018 No.3678834 >>3678822 No one uses symbol drawing as a critic on you being bad. They use symbol drawing to tell you that you are drawing with the symbols your brain deems is accurate and not what the thing actually looks like.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:15:14 2018 No.3678838

>>3678827 >>3678829
But that's the thing though, both all of those objects in that picture, bottom and top are symbols, and drawings.
The bottoms ones just have a ton more information, accuracy and resemblance to their real counterparts as we experience them. But they are still symbols, what you just mean is someone is either being "lazy" at adding those extra bits of info that make you believe you are seeing something specific or putting the effort to trick the watcher into recognizing the subject.
It's just differences in the contained information the problem is it creates confusing when someone ask if something is symbol drawing or not and their meanings. You basically are using a concept to refer to a multitude or different issues.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:17:13 2018 No.3678842

Sorry for blogging, ignore this post.

>>3678821
>What do you want out of drawing?
Ideally I would be able to draw well enough to create small games with the level of visual quality of say, something like HuniePop. Not an impossible goal one would think, but it's just a pipe dream for now. I'd also like to try drawing some simple comics, like the newest Shadman one. I don't want to become the next Gi or anything, I just want to be able to draw the things that I find visually appealing, and I have a taste for relatively simplistic art.

> How often do you study and/or work outside your comfort zone?
I always feel uncomfortable so I guess all the time. I've tried studying from various sources, like right side and drawabox. I understand the concepts and noticed some slight improvement from doing the exercises but it feels like it plateaus quickly. It's the same with various "how to draw X" construction tutorials. It feels like memorizing tricks instead of improving my overall understanding/skill/intuition for the most part. To draw an analogy, it's like a complete beginner memorizing openings in chess - pointless because he'll make a mistake as soon as he runs out of memorized moves anyway.

>When you say you're dissatisfied, do you mean in general, or the results of your practice?
A little bit of both. I guess I was hoping for some sort of "beginner gains" as gymbros say. That I would improve quickly for a while before I stagnated and actually had to work for it. I know that the remedy is simply "draw more", but it's hard when I have limited free time in the first place, to spend it on an activity where I just end up beating myself up over not being good enough. It doesn't help that I have a history of that as well, depression etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:18:43 2018 No.3678845 Hello everyone, just wanna say thanks for all the advice, recommendations and link to useful website and content. I wanna start drawing and this board will be a great place to seek advice and feedback it seems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:20:44 2018 No.3678849 File: 1012 KB, 740x900, 1541015671622.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678845 no it wont

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:23:13 2018 No.3678852

>>3678838
Any drawing can be considered a "symbol" but when people say you are symbol drawing they are referring to the symbols in you brain not what you actually put on paper. Your brain simplifies things into basic symbols and when people first begin to draw they are drawing those not what's real

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:33:23 2018 No.3678873

>>3678842
Chess beginners memorize openings so they can progress through the game instead of just straight up losing immediately. It helps them get to the point of running out of memorized moves so that they can continue to learn from that point onward. Once he's a master, he'll gain insight on the moves that were just products of mere memorization and turn it into understandable theory. But it's the vehicle of memorization that carried him there.

In the same sense, I would suggest you just do Keys to Drawing and learn to draw in proportion with the reference. Once you have some sort of proportion control down, it's much easier to do studies and learn perspective constructions without feeling frustrated at your own work (because it at least looks somewhat like what you're referencing). From there, you can search for more advanced understanding of the fundamentals without just giving up right at the start because you got the proportions wrong and it looks like a mess.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:36:33 2018 No.3678879

>>3678852
I get what you mean, personally, but people I feel they are not going to get it anymore and they start asking all sorts of weird questions related to symbol drawing because some people throw it around here like it's the answer to all problems.

Look at this for example. >>3678829 Check the bottom right one. Let's agree it resembles an apple, alright but it might also not be it and be a peach, depends on the viewer familiarity with it, but what kind of apple? Is it green, yellow, red? For all we know it could be blue. It could be a a fake, plastic. We just don't know, and that's a symbol, you just again, are having different degrees of information which you process into what you are familiar with, and drawing doesn't contain all the necessary amounts to convince everyone of something all the time, thus it's a symbol.
When you tell people they are symbol drawing you make it mean as if there's not symbol drawing but that's a fallacy, there's just better more complete symbols. If you reached the point where you can recreate all and any detail inside your head about something in the way we experience it (not just visually), then you can start doubting what is or not a symbol (and reality itself). But that won't happen in a drawing, it would probably be something else entirely. And you should stop telling people they should not symbol draw when that's the only thing we can do. Which again is funny! It's a paradox.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:37:02 2018 No.3678880

>>3678842
>It feels like memorizing tricks instead of improving my overall understanding/skill/intuition for the most part. To draw an analogy, it's like a complete beginner memorizing openings in chess - pointless because he'll make a mistake as soon as he runs out of memorized moves anyway.
This is what sticks out the most to me, it sounds like you aren't confident in your fundamentals as an artist. Without a strong foundation, yeah those lessons are gonna feel like "tricks". I haven't read right side so I don't know what it's like but I would recommend going through Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson instead. Really digestible stuff, and for me it contextualizes a lot of the stuff I learned so that I could make those tools my own instead of just memorizing them. Another book I'd recommend is the Vilppu Drawing manual, because I just think it's awesome all around. From there, study from life, and try to enjoy the process, learning and improvement will eventually come to you

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:38:26 2018 No.3678881 >>3678879 imagine having this much autism

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:40:02 2018 No.3678883 File: 17 KB, 480x360, retartted.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678879 You are the only person ive ever seen who doesn't get what symbol drawing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:42:20 2018 No.3678887 File: 672 KB, 993x765, 1541063837886.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678873 How do I into sighting when my only references are on screen?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:45:30 2018 No.3678891 >>3678887 What difference does it make?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:46:16 2018 No.3678892 >>3678887 god forbid you go outside, Frogposter

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:47:58 2018 No.3678896

>>3678881 >>3678883
Well when people start insulting you around here and making it personal you usually can take it as agreement. Do you know people react that way when they feel threatened, anxious and doubt themselves right?
So I'll take it. It's not the point of this thread to discuss it any further anyway, but I felt voicing my concerns was the right thing to do for other people who might be confused.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:49:19 2018 No.3678898 File: 129 KB, 314x800, raincoat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:50:11 2018 No.3678899 >>3678896 Sounds like a convenient way to dismiss criticism

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:51:28 2018 No.3678902 >>3678892 are you seriously trying to chastize me for trying to learn how to draw in my own room >>3678891 Nevermind I was just having trouble with the concept itself, I think I got it now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:52:16 2018 No.3678904 >>3678899 If there was any criticism on those words I would consider them. But they are just personal attacks. They aren't guiding the discussion any further, so since I started it, I might as well shut it down.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:53:02 2018 No.3678905

>>3678896
People here itt have already explained why you're retarded, but you're either intentionally ignoring them or you really are just that stupid. Also, at this point it's exhausting reading your massive walls of stupid ESL trite, so we're just opting to make fun of you

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:54:36 2018 No.3678907 >>3678873 >>3678880 Fair points. Does anyone have a download link to Keys to Drawing that won't rape my computer?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:57:05 2018 No.3678913 >>3678904 What you have been saying is retarded, and how yelling at a deaf guy is pointless arguing with you is even more so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 17:57:24 2018 No.3678914 >>3678907 here friend: https://ptpb.pw/3_5o.pdf God's speed anon

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 18:04:17 2018 No.3678918

>>3678905
Have you ever seen a characterization where some teacher is imparting a lesson and some student tells them something, and they turn around and look at them with disdain, and they go back to the lesson, the student questions him and they just seething through their teeth tell them to mind their business and shut up? That's the read I'm getting from you. It's totally fine though, I'll take it as I say. Feels nice.
I agree I write too much, I apologize for that. I hope it was entertaining at least! It was for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 18:07:31 2018 No.3678927 >>3678918 Yeah cause in that scenario its a calculus teacher in the middle of the year and the question asked was "is 2+2=3?". Sometimes when you are retarded that's just how it is.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 18:10:36 2018 No.3678935

>>3678918
It's funny you put it that way, I was just imagining a characterization where a special needs child keeps interrupting the class with their autistic fits, and after several failed attempts to impart the lesson, the teacher just gives up and gives them more glue to eat

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 18:12:33 2018 No.3678940 >>3678935 Yes it is indeed funny that you are self aware how retarded you are. If that's not a subconscious admission of agreement then i don't know what is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 18:13:54 2018 No.3678945 >>3678940 >no u good one, you sure showed me :^)

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 18:15:33 2018 No.3678950 >>3678927 well i mean if 2 is just a number, and 3 is just a number, it's just all numbers man

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 18:21:28 2018 No.3678965 >>3678950 How could i have been so blind

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 18:22:54 2018 No.3678970 >>3678945 Maybe this is some next level trolling and im in fact the retard here.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 19:05:53 2018 No.3679032

>>3678809
Don't worry about the quality of your drawings. If you do one that you don't like then just rip it out of your sketchbook and throw it away. No one will know it happened. Don't get too attached to things. Enjoying the process is what it's all about and it's what makes the hours whiz by. I like to have netflix going on a different monitor when I draw and I just relax and enjoy trying to figure out the shapes and forms of things. It's like a puzzle and once you get into it then the hours just fly by. Don't be afraid to erase anything you don't like and take your time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 19:10:13 2018 No.3679040 >>3678845 >this board will be a great place to seek advice and feedback That's debatable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 19:14:28 2018 No.3679047 Is it wrong to keep all my work to myself? I'm always hesitant to share my stuff because I don't think that highly of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 19:18:23 2018 No.3679050 >>3679047 No why would that be wrong? Are you afraid of criticism or just don't feel the need to seek validation from others?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 19:18:49 2018 No.3679052 File: 162 KB, 1208x823, dead.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fuck everything

>>	Nosebro Wed Nov 14 20:19:21 2018 No.3679121 File: 73 KB, 929x1137, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678549

>>	Nosebro Wed Nov 14 20:24:27 2018 No.3679125 File: 26 KB, 384x487, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3678898

Nosebro Wed Nov 14 20:29:30 2018 No.3679131
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>>3677909
youre working too dark so its impossible for you to create a crater where the branch goes. photoshop has an autocolor/tone/contrast feature whenever you fuck up to get a second shot

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 20:35:21 2018 No.3679138 File: 57 KB, 585x681, Screenshot_761.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] all of the people i draw keep turning out like mongoloids and albino africans please help me

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 20:37:13 2018 No.3679142 >>3679138 yo you working on that new gorillaz album cover?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 20:41:02 2018 No.3679147 >>3679138 Try drawing other people outside of your family tree.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 20:58:53 2018 No.3679161
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over a year ago I did some characters for character design task at school
Time was quite limited and I did have trouble trying to make over 10 different characters and kinda cheated with the "shadow" people

Any critique?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 21:09:26 2018 No.3679170 >>3679161 Your gestures are decent. If you're looking for critique on the designs, they're horribly generic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 21:27:03 2018 No.3679199 File: 28 KB, 736x1000, bOinMcb - Imgur.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] First time, 24 years old. Poppy and Pink Lady Apple, I know they are shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 21:27:35 2018 No.3679201 File: 37 KB, 736x999, e5Dlw6p - Imgur.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3679199

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 21:34:15 2018 No.3679206 File: 8 KB, 232x260, 1475685173444.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3679199 >>3679201

>>	Nosebro Wed Nov 14 21:35:09 2018 No.3679207 >>3679199 >>3679201 You cant even take a picture without fucking it up. Id recommend you give up. Also, wtf is up with those imgur filenames? I dont want answer btw, i just want you to leave and not come back.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 21:41:29 2018 No.3679218 >>3679050 Both. But also I feel like a lot of my stuff would be found in an edgelord/stoner highschoolers sketchbook.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 21:42:00 2018 No.3679219
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how do i start a fucking portrait? I somehow drew this like a year ago and im trying to draw another since but it just looks like garbage

i have no idea how to organize what im doing or where to even start

i "draw the shapes" in the values theyre in but the proportions end up so fucked it looks horrible so im clearly not doing something right

should i be using line drawings first? doesnt that make it look cartoony? how do you even capture it correctly with lines without it looking even worse, i spent 3 hours just fucking with greys and erased it because it looked completely off when i made the source material greyscale

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 21:43:19 2018 No.3679221 >>3679206 What lol >>3679207 Best I could do, what would you of done differently? I do not have a scanner. Uploaded them to resize and then redownloaded them for file upload to 4chan, I'm on a shitty chromebook that I got off a mate for £10

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 21:55:16 2018 No.3679244 >>3679206 >>3679207 Come on you pair of cunts critique my work then, it says in one of these tutorials that I should take a real life object and just draw without rubbing anything out, how did I do?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 21:57:33 2018 No.3679249 >>3679244 looks like you didn't even try also a tip take photos with natural sunlight

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 21:57:39 2018 No.3679250

>>3679244
you said you knew that they were shit, and yeah, they are really shitty, i actually thought you were just shitposting. how about looking at how others draw still life, and i mean REALLY look. youll notice that they dont just use lines like you do

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:02:11 2018 No.3679254
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>>3678305
uh oh too late.
>>3679125
Well it's cuter, but I didn't want it to be a chibi either.

I think I got this one pretty good, although looking at it now I probably should have gone a bit darker on the brow shadows.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:05:08 2018 No.3679260

>>3679249
You do know what a poppy and a apple is right lad? It's 3am here you dipshit, I would of thought the £10 comment would of tipped you off that I am English, a bit daft aren't you?
>>3679250
Oh come on I said critique man, what makes it shit? What that they have basic shapes in them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:09:02 2018 No.3679264 Dude, what if like, you held your pencil far away from the tip? >no hand blocking your vision >minimize wrist movements DUDE

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:13:24 2018 No.3679274 >>3679264 Why are you drawing on your one inch willy in the first place you cock? You can't draw your dick bigger mongrel

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:17:54 2018 No.3679284 >>3679260 Why should we put effort into critiquing your drawing if you're not gonna put effort into drawing it? Gtfo and go read the sticky you entitled English cunt, before I smack you in the gob, I swear on me mum

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:19:59 2018 No.3679287 >>3679260 You didn't even try A toddler would draw better Shut the fuck up and get to work, start drawing from references

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:24:22 2018 No.3679295 File: 116 KB, 1187x524, line art2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3677978 >>3677964 Redrew this shit, still not gonna say it looks the BEST but it looks much better.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:26:41 2018 No.3679303

>>3679284
Lad the tutorial from this sticky said to do this, instead of being a pissy little cunt how about you tell me where I can learn to draw.

>>3679287
The shitty arse sticky told me not to. Fuck me lad did you forget this is the beginner thread? Of course my drawing is going to be that of a toddler level you demented fuckwit.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:31:59 2018 No.3679311
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>>3679303
No, you're just literally trolling
you draw a circle with dots on it, that is not an attempt
you are wasting everyone's time here

Get some fucking reference and start doodling, fucking retard. here, draw this

>>	Nosebro Wed Nov 14 22:35:38 2018 No.3679316 >>3679303 >The shitty arse sticky told me not to I wrote 80% of the sticky. Please read it again.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:35:50 2018 No.3679317

>>3679311
It's a fucking apple, what more is there? It didn't have a stalk, I was drawing it from the side and the only thing on it apart from the colours were the fucking dots, jesus christ lad. Draw your boyfriend? Fine, I will draw you being dicked by him as well.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:36:03 2018 No.3679318

>>3679303
You clearly didn't read the sticky, because not only is literally every claim you've made incorrect, but if you had read the sticky you'd know there are like a gorillion resources on learning "how to draw".
>inb4 but I did read it tho
Then read it harder, but this is as much as I'm willing to spoon feed to some low effort shitter

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:36:31 2018 No.3679320 stop arguing with shitty bait and help people

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 22:40:21 2018 No.3679326 >>3679320 this

>>	Nosebro Wed Nov 14 22:53:40 2018 No.3679344 File: 104 KB, 1173x1226, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3679320 >>3679326 i did my part so im entitled to shitposting!

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:11:21 2018 No.3679357
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>>3679311
There you go, here is your boyfriend and you dickhead.
>>3679316
Fine I will read it again.
>>3679318
Yeah fine I will read it again dickhead, go spoon your mother.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:12:53 2018 No.3679360 File: 51 KB, 500x383, MI0001325643.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3679357

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:13:59 2018 No.3679361 File: 144 KB, 1242x1394, 66f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3679357 See, that's a lot better now if only you took more time to draw the body And that's not my boyfriend, it's me

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:15:58 2018 No.3679363 File: 11 KB, 250x250, youareawsome.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do yall keep from overshooting the points on your lines, and can anyone recommend any videos that are like draw a box but there video of the person using their arm?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:22:18 2018 No.3679368 File: 2.77 MB, 3016x4032, IMG_20181114_232014.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Trying to improve to be able to do emergency commissions Will this level work? I'm literally desperate, please help..

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:22:39 2018 No.3679369 Proportion seems to be my biggest problem. Is there any simple exercise to improve it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:23:31 2018 No.3679370 >>3679369 try blocking method and gesture drawing

>>	Nosebro Wed Nov 14 23:28:18 2018 No.3679374 >>3679368 if you need emergency money sell your body

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:31:39 2018 No.3679375 >>3679361 >>3679374 How long does it take to get rid of this "symbol drawing?" I see a lot of that in that head I did.

Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:34:52 2018 No.3679376

>>3679375
see it not as lines on paper or lines being redrawn but as trying to represent an actual 3D object, study how perspective works. a good example is how eyes are literal spheres and the flesh of eyelids and the like wraps around them and the bone structure around them creates different depths where it fits into, and that's where value is used to define those depths.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:39:25 2018 No.3679384 File: 437 KB, 788x1400, 111418.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rate, please.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:40:33 2018 No.3679386 File: 278 KB, 1020x1560, wakasagehime topless colorless.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I rarely draw anything but I did this. Any thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 23:58:56 2018 No.3679406 >>3679386 youre making shadows and glare completely independent of a decided lightsource

Nosebro Thu Nov 15 00:09:40 2018 No.3679414
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>>3679375
im working on the updated version of the thing at the top. even my lazy drawings are partially symbolized. Its not that important in the grand scheme of things, your symbols will get better. It doesnt matter if youre symbol drawing, but at least, try to make it so your symbols reflect a reality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 00:13:37 2018 No.3679423 >>3679406 I'm more concerned with anatomy than shading

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 00:20:27 2018 No.3679432 >>3679423 theres not much to work with, study deeper anatomy like skeleton structure and surface muscles

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 00:27:15 2018 No.3679438 >>3679414 neat

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 00:49:28 2018 No.3679453 File: 634 KB, 1000x707, Happythoughts4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just finished, thoughts /ic/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 01:41:01 2018 No.3679492 >>3679147 Yikes!

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 01:52:16 2018 No.3679497 >>3679138 Why do you keep drawing them like that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:29:33 2018 No.3679519 >>3679138 get out of here memester

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:31:06 2018 No.3679520 File: 1.43 MB, 3792x1155, NosebroIsAFaggot.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3679207 >Id recommend you give up take your own advice bitchboy

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:37:56 2018 No.3679523 File: 95 KB, 752x727, psosos.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can I make this pose possible?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:38:49 2018 No.3679524 File: 7 KB, 1380x650, Pages.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there some solution for when you're getting to the end of your notebook and there's so many pages that it's "squishy"? Maybe i just have to many added pages.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:39:44 2018 No.3679526 >>3679523 step 1, don't draw naked boys

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:47:33 2018 No.3679529 File: 2.03 MB, 1080x1920, Screenshot_20181115-054340.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What can i do to improve? Any tips on practices or lessons? Thanks in advance

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:51:56 2018 No.3679536 >>3679529 try drawing faces from more than one angle

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:54:09 2018 No.3679539
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>>3678480

Your proportions are pretty good. Eyes are little too high tho - they always should fall middle of the head. You should learn to construct all features too. See the image attached, there are cues what to study. Obviously you don't need to buy plaster casts or asaro head (it's really expensive +$100 usd) - of course studying the real thing is always best, but you can find plenty of images and even 3D models online. Really check asaro head - it's that good.

When constructing head / facial features you need to define planes really good. Which planes are facing towards the light source, which ones are inclined away from it, and which ones are facing completely away from it (three value system). You will smooth the transitions out at the render stage.

I'll post image below step by step feature constructions (three quarters) but you can find plenty of videos about the subject online. Always do the lay in of features lightly, and accent corners and pinches (line weight) to get really solid 3D look before applying any value!

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 02:58:48 2018 No.3679545
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>>3679539
This is the image promised.

>>3679529
See >>3679539

Do lay in practices. Try to get the 3D feel before applying any tone / shading. You used charcoal? Is that regular printer paper or some more toothed one? Looks like you jumped to dark values little too fast so the whole thing is smudy. Even charcoal is applied layer by layer (at least that's how I like to do it. Charcoal isn't my favorite media though).

Your values are decent but looks like you had bad references. Look for images with interesting value (shadow) patterns to achieve more impressing portraits. Map your value patterns first (lay in stage). Also seek out vignettes - composition is essential even in portrait.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 03:16:30 2018 No.3679556 >>3679545 ironically, that nose construction is wrong.

>>	Nosebro Thu Nov 15 03:17:48 2018 No.3679559 >>3679520 I just wanted a better platform to humiliate you. If you had half a brain youd realize this image probably makes me more endearing if anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 03:21:47 2018 No.3679564 >>3679559 lol dont even try to cover your ass you little limp wristed faggot ill still slam you any day im still up for it if you dont try to stall out the challenge indefinitely and get on my good side like a worm

>>	Nosebro Thu Nov 15 03:23:40 2018 No.3679570 >>3679564 I just want to have you join chat so we can record it and make it an event. Why are you against that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 03:24:34 2018 No.3679571 >>3679570 >blah blah blah put up or shut up bitch im not interested in your little games period

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 03:32:07 2018 No.3679576 >>3679545 Thanks for the advice anon. I will try to work more on the drawing and the 3d feel before applying any values. I tend to skip to the shadowing part cause it feels like doing make up (which i do on a daily basis) therefore much easier for me.

>>	Nosebro Thu Nov 15 03:35:33 2018 No.3679577 >>3679571 I mean, id think itd be great gesture battling you in an open environment, why is it you dont feel the same? Dont you wish your victory to be broadcasted to the many?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 03:37:54 2018 No.3679579 File: 120 KB, 782x520, yawning.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3679577 alright, catch you later and ill give you another chance not that you'll take it pussy. bye

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 03:44:56 2018 No.3679582

>>3678896
You are being dumb. You're taking the term symbol drawing too literally xwhen someone draws a symbol it means they drew something the way their mind has simplified it to look and now how it actually looks and works irl. You can call a realistic lookin drawing a more advanced symbol but that doesn't change the meaning of the term symbol drawing. There are different types of bombs, for example, from a bath bomb that makes your bath smell nice whatever the fuck that shit does, then there's a bomb, which blows things up. When I say bomb, you think of the thing that blows things up, same as if I say symbol you think of anything that can be a symbol but the second I add bath before bomb the whole meaning is changed. Same with when you add drawing after symbol, it has a different meaning. That's how the English language works.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 04:46:45 2018 No.3679629 File: 760 KB, 776x742, 111418b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Please rate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 04:48:23 2018 No.3679630 >>3679629 Hairy/10

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 04:56:32 2018 No.3679641
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started doing gesture drawings, if they can be called that...

anyway, should I be trying to replicate a master and his process or just keep trying to do this on my own from paintings/photos?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 05:24:51 2018 No.3679662 >>3679630 LOL

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 05:27:07 2018 No.3679665 >>3679629 What a lovely little hairy English fly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 06:01:53 2018 No.3679690 >have favorite artist from like 30 years ago >find out he's still alive >check out his more recent work >it's worse than the stuff he was making decades ago

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 06:07:58 2018 No.3679698 >>3679523 foreshorten right leg, make foot go under left leg (or just take it out of vision completely with the foreshortened rest of the leg) maybe

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 06:18:52 2018 No.3679705 >>3677434 You n'wah

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 07:05:16 2018 No.3679756 File: 942 KB, 1280x804, 1542280307350.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do i get this good?

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 07:05:39 2018 No.3679758

>>3679690
HOW do they get like that?

I bet he was unknown when he was doing his good stuff then once he got more successful he said to himself "I have no need to spend as much time doing this any more. This will be dead on the way it is".

Such a shame.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 07:39:02 2018 No.3679784 >>3677488 terrific improvement

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 08:46:54 2018 No.3679860 >>3679756 abuse the ever living shit out of colour dodge and multiply layers

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 08:46:55 2018 No.3679861

>>3679690
>>3679758
you know it could have been that his life just went to shit. Maybe he could not draw, maybe he suffered, an accident or illness that prevented him. Drawing is skill like any other you use it or loose it, if you completely stop drawing for an extended period like a year, you will see a significant fallback on your skills. That is perfectly normal.

That anon or you just grew up in 30 years realized that he was never that good as your starry eyes younger self made him out to be.

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 09:21:07 2018 No.3679882
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>>3679131
whoops. my. screenbrightness was down, not. that i dont already issues with this.

anyways i did this about half and half starting in photoshop and finishing with procreate. im still having issues with tones but overall i think im getting used to procreate?

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 10:10:58 2018 No.3679942
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Been watching this video from love life drawing, is there an easy way to emphasize tone change (like with a photoshop tool) a la this video? Drawing it by hand over every picture I draw from seems like it would get tedious

I'm still supernew and superbad, but this seems like it will help me stop trying to draw my "idea" of a person, if you will

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 11:16:54 2018 No.3680059 >>3679861 I don't think so.

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 11:41:13 2018 No.3680077

hey can someone help me?
I was looking at fun with a pencil by loomis and can see how wrong I was trying to draw without drawing things in perspective.
so I am thinking that it would be best to have some fun and learn at the same time by drawing heads connected to the top half of the body, basically the rib cage.
I am not sure what way to go about practising this when drawing it in perspective.
do I have to draw the head and ribcage as a squared boxes first, then draw lines to a vanishing point somewhere, then round the boxes off?
Is there something I can be directed to better explain this or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 11:42:42 2018 No.3680079 File: 188 KB, 594x700, 20181115_113521.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does this drawing of Stan Lee look OK?

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 11:42:57 2018 No.3680080

>>3679861
>you know it could have been that his life just went to shit. Maybe he could not draw, maybe he suffered, an accident or illness that prevented him.

I remember reading this really depressing facebook post by an old Marvel artist who had had a stroke that left him unable to draw. He wrote about how he was constantly depressed because he wasn't able to draw and would even have dreams where he was drawing. Life is shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 12:18:00 2018 No.3680123 >>3679453 Anyone?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 12:22:52 2018 No.3680133 File: 343 KB, 1500x1000, fafwafawfawf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ehhh

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 13:22:42 2018 No.3680159 >>3680077 anyone?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 15:47:05 2018 No.3680388 >>3680133 What was the point of drawing from reference? I don't understand.

Anonymous Thu Nov 15 16:16:48 2018 No.3680429

>>3680388
TROLL THREAD!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 16:17:37 2018 No.3680431 >>3680429 What? are you mentally ill?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 16:21:40 2018 No.3680435 >>3680431 you cant handle living in a troll world!! HAHAHA!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 16:26:12 2018 No.3680443 File: 105 KB, 624x498, You'reRetarded.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3680435 Sorry for your lose then, mate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 16:30:49 2018 No.3680452 >>3680443 awww, boo-fucking-hoo, you took a screenshot of my post and put it in a doodle someone else made then posted it up. how will I ever get over the pain... waaaaaaaaaaaah.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 18:48:03 2018 No.3680644 New Thread: >>3680125 >>3680125 >>3680125

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