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Beginner Thread Anonymous Sun Nov 4 23:27:45 2018 No.3666637 [Reply] [Original]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Previous Thread >>3663624

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:
1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead
2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller
3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY if you need guidance when you haven't even started

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

REMEMBER, if you've just started out you work will not be good, it doesn't need to be, just get in to the swing of actually drawing, and learning how to study. Most of all, enjoy it.

"Success is no accident. It is hard work, perseverance, learning, studying, sacrifice and most of all, love of what you are doing or learning to do."

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 23:28:32 2018 No.3666638
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ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 01:01:51 2018 No.3666694 File: 144 KB, 712x909, illustration89.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 01:57:37 2018 No.3666747 File: 50 KB, 880x655, rin 14 fix.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] gotta keep drawing

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:09:36 2018 No.3666755 >>3666694 the boobs have slid to the left. just trace a line between the collar bones following the surface of the chest, that is where the cleave of the boos should start and then follow the ribcage. Just move the entire boob area to the left.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:15:13 2018 No.3666758 File: 317 KB, 1920x2300, help pls.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] help pls, i dont know how to make it look better, what can i do?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:16:25 2018 No.3666759 >>3666758 its for a simple animation

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:18:21 2018 No.3666760 >>3666747 and the giraffe neck gets some friends.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:22:10 2018 No.3666761 File: 14 KB, 473x515, woman1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hello how i do i fucking shade im such a goddamn retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:23:51 2018 No.3666763 >>3666761 Its okay we are all retarded on this blessed day. Have you looked at Scott Robertson's How to Render?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:24:42 2018 No.3666764 >>3666760 you did me wrong cause i've been through stormy weather

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:28:12 2018 No.3666767 >>3666763 ive looked at it and saw that you needed to know how to draw beforehand so i stopped looking at it

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:28:25 2018 No.3666768 Today /beg/, tomorrow the world Let’s kill it this week boys, and don’t forget to post progress

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:31:22 2018 No.3666770 >>3666764 Stop talking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:32:22 2018 No.3666771 >>3666747 It's shit, she has a long neck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:33:37 2018 No.3666773 >>3666755 shit thanks. ive sort of just been freehanding anything below the neck and it undoubtedly shows. one of these days ill work up the motivation to click on one of those pdf's i downloaded

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:34:42 2018 No.3666774 >>3666771 i'll make sure to practice on shibuya rin more

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:35:26 2018 No.3666775 >>3666774 No.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:36:31 2018 No.3666776 >>3666747 Go back and understand loomis more with some vilppu on the side.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:39:15 2018 No.3666778 it truly was the best of times, the blurst of times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:40:19 2018 No.3666780 >>3666747 stop posting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:49:45 2018 No.3666784 I started with Bridgman. Should I continue with it or should I switch to Loomis, or vilpuu. Not really sure what direction to go in. Just drawing a lot trying to get that mileage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:50:02 2018 No.3666785 >>3666747 NGMI.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 02:53:41 2018 No.3666792 File: 187 KB, 2000x1500, Untitled-2 copy2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] help me better this shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 03:39:25 2018 No.3666819 >>3666792 is that putin

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 03:44:57 2018 No.3666821 >>3666792 it's Narutrump!

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 03:45:34 2018 No.3666822 >>3666784 Can't go wrong with Vilppu. The man's a treasure.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 03:49:35 2018 No.3666827

Greetings /beg/ fellows.
I've decided to kick my own ass into shape and start drawing daily seriously instead of doodling around aimlessly. So from today on, I'm trying to do this seriously and see how far I can go in a year (hopefuly far enough to draw myself sime nice waifus).
Now I've been fucking around for some time, and I've read all the books listed above already, but if I understand the theory really well, I've been slacking on applying them to actualy drawing and so I totally still suck.
So what would you recommend for someone in this situation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 03:49:38 2018 No.3666828 >>3666758 >>3666759 make it better in what way? There are some perspective issues but it is fine a for a simple animation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 03:51:34 2018 No.3666830 >>3666827 Due just DRAW! Whatever just go and draw already, post your newest works here and we will make fun of you... I mean we provide CRITISICM.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 03:53:31 2018 No.3666831 >>3666792 it is a caricature Anon, there is no right or wrong there...

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:14:59 2018 No.3666848 >>3666747 I really enjoy the hair you did and I think you're doing great on mouths. Better than I'm doing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:29:52 2018 No.3666851 File: 103 KB, 880x959, Picture 151.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] latest attempt at using charcoal, im kinda eh about it

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:30:56 2018 No.3666852 File: 1.51 MB, 2000x1500, communist.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666792 You mean like this my communist friend?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:32:23 2018 No.3666854 >>3666851 I'll never fucking touch charcoal again, fuck that

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:33:05 2018 No.3666855 >>3666854 lol did charcoal hurt you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:33:13 2018 No.3666856 File: 1.56 MB, 2000x1500, communist2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666792 >>3666852 more like like this anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:33:39 2018 No.3666858 >>3666855 it's literally impossible

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:35:20 2018 No.3666860 >>3666851 Dude, you need more halftones darken the right part of the face and the part behind the nose just a bit and the upper lips. darken the underside of the nose as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:35:52 2018 No.3666861 >>3666858 its very different for sure, graphite is a lot better to control

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:37:33 2018 No.3666865 >>3666860 yeah seems pretty accurate, ill give it a go

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:52:33 2018 No.3666875
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>>3666761
Start with a neutral / light gray background and make a value composition.

See the pic I attached, one I posted last week. Specifically the top right hand corner where a proper layout is done.

You have established only the places where you will paint (or "sculpt" even) the eyes, nose, lips etc etc. but in your "pencil" layout there are no defined planes. Only thing you have defined is bottom and the side of the nose, and some parts underneath the brow ridge. That is a good place to start.

For rendering a picture like this, you should start with a three or four value system. Make a neutral gray background. Paint four swatches, dark gray, neutral gray, light gray, and some very light gray almost white for possible highlights. After that don't touch the color wheel again.

Use color picker to pick those three (or four) swatches and sample colors on face. It will be a lot easier if you have drawn these planes like in pic attached. USE HARD BRUSH. Block out the values.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bDlUN_8h0M Videos like these are good, check out how to construct individual parts of face. Nose, eyes, mouth etc. You can see how he draws the different planes before he blocks the color in. But don't go to color yet, use that three or four value system to simplify, and when you have blocked everything out, start smoothing the edges. This is how you learn to convey the form of the 3D objects in a 2D painting.

Hope this helps.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 04:57:19 2018 No.3666879
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>>3666875
I'll clear this out a little bit more - you had established the side and bottom plane of nose, and bottom plane of brow ridge, but there is a lot more to it. Nose is way more complex 3D shape sticking forward from the general front plane of the face. We can divide it to a few more planes than front, two sides and a bottom.

After learning to construct all these forms (there are few examples for constructing eyes in the pic I posted just before), you can render them out more efficiently.

Also check out "Asaro heads" from the internet, it's a great model showing simplified planes of the head. You don't have to spend money on it, but check out pictures of it from different angles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 06:04:48 2018 No.3666929 File: 210 KB, 903x956, Picture 159.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666860 tried to

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 06:36:53 2018 No.3666957 File: 3.16 MB, 3000x4000, IMG_20181028_2127294.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What should I work?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 06:39:02 2018 No.3666960 >>3666957 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 06:40:39 2018 No.3666962 >>3666792 topkek

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 06:41:42 2018 No.3666964 >>3666784 vilppu & vanderpoel rather than bridgman desu at least for beginners.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 06:42:44 2018 No.3666966 >>3666854 >>3666851 check out the book by Nathan Fowkes

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 06:47:16 2018 No.3666968 File: 54 KB, 440x389, mlp_tf2___alrighty_then_by_logic611993-d7bqa00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666960

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:06:21 2018 No.3666977

>>3666957
Loomis "Fun with a Pencil" and "Drawing the head and Hands".

Open the picture in the separate window and make the lines left to right through eyes, base of the nose and the mouth. You'll see that your whole face behaves like putty. As if bones were soft.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:22:31 2018 No.3666980
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Honestly I have no idea if I'm even going in the right direction with this.

The lines are just there as a general guideline, I don't really intend to keep them. I've been trying to finish something that I draw, but I always feel dumb while doing it because, well, it's a pretty bad sketch to begin with. Started drawing 2 months ago or something like that. If you have any advice on what I should be doing/studying, it's appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:47:21 2018 No.3666994 >>3666980 don't use hair to hide your lack of skill

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:49:57 2018 No.3666997 >>3666980 Stop doing straight on head shots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:52:06 2018 No.3666998 File: 132 KB, 1000x1600, joe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] like my first time doing digital art idk what to do lol heres a quick thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 08:04:50 2018 No.3667004 >>3666980 beside learning Loomis, perspective and fundamentals. Light basics is something you need to understand. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLV2X3tgajVlHkH3FHxm3rLZWqScFTRhtv

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 08:30:26 2018 No.3667021 File: 684 KB, 720x1000, untitled2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666980 Kind of shitty but this is the best I could come up with from yours. Have some color theory video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1FK8n7WgY

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 09:43:36 2018 No.3667066 >watch youtube lecture >doodle thing >repeat once a day Mr. not gonna make it

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 09:43:38 2018 No.3667067
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ok I'm dropping cause too hard to fix all the mistakes I've made

here are important lessons I've learned:

-make sure 1000 times that your sketch is complete correct before you do anything else
-don't do everything on one lay
-don't use watercolor only (in PTSai)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 10:14:16 2018 No.3667081 i want to draw butts

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 11:38:19 2018 No.3667118
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My first digital render attempt. Wasn't paying attention to sketch accuracy. I noticed that I should change the brush for block in as the left side of silhouette is uneven and has some annoying clipping / overlapping that is not 100% opaque.

Not satisfied at all with neck (at all) but I won't fix this further, but I'll draw few head studies from other angles etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 11:41:03 2018 No.3667122 >>3667118 godspeed anon!

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:17:46 2018 No.3667153 File: 975 KB, 1072x1601, dumbeyes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666998 Keep working at it anon you will get better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:22:01 2018 No.3667164 File: 111 KB, 300x168, 1530435792095.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3667118 >my first digital render attempt

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:27:53 2018 No.3667174 >>3667164 I am used to traditional and have just fiddled around with my graphics tablet, never really doing a render in photoshop. I feel that I enjoy this a bit, I don't like sketching with digital tho. I will scan some linework for later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:29:01 2018 No.3667176 >>3667153 you have to stop this shit, you're not good enough to do this. you're not helpful. you suck. stop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:44:52 2018 No.3667188 I cannot make that breakthrough in measuring with my eyes I erase shit 50 times and at the end I notice that ohh it would have been perfect if that thing was 1cm to the left etc

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:46:46 2018 No.3667191 >>3667188 Stop erasing and do it right the first time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:49:36 2018 No.3667194 >>3667191 how

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:52:36 2018 No.3667198 >>3667194 http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:54:09 2018 No.3667199
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4 weeks ago i couldn't draw or sketch a stick figure, used around 4-6 hours per day to get to this point. Any tips, tricks or videos to watch to keep improving would be appreciated.. I do enjoy to sketch darker fantasy like creatures etc.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:55:42 2018 No.3667201 >>3667176 This.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:56:34 2018 No.3667204 File: 278 KB, 1289x1903, 45500567_1474610226004359_9153491755012718592_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3667199 >>3667200

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:58:37 2018 No.3667206 >>3667199 >>3667200 >>3667204 https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 13:10:44 2018 No.3667219 >>3667206 >https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy thank you very much

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 13:58:07 2018 No.3667262 File: 503 KB, 1389x1829, JPEG_20181105_125212.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] does this picture look stiff? does it have flow?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 14:14:43 2018 No.3667282 >>3667262 Get some more reference Try not to let the FBI get you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 14:15:59 2018 No.3667283 How do I grind? I don’t mean in terms of motivation or finding time - I mean what do I grind? My goal is realism - should I just spend my time trying to draw things from life as accurately as possible? Should I do book exercises?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 14:22:24 2018 No.3667294 >>3667283 So uhhh like when you practice something you get uhhh better at it so ummm like just practice what you want to uhhh improve.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 14:29:44 2018 No.3667301 >>3667294 I am practicing but it’s undirected - I feel as if I could practice in a more focused manner which could make me improve faster.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 14:30:59 2018 No.3667303 File: 168 KB, 1024x1366, brah.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can I improve this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 14:31:24 2018 No.3667305 >>3667283 Read the sticky for specifics, and spend extra time on what you want to get better at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 14:31:55 2018 No.3667306 >>3667301 Don't feel like you need to rush things. Improvement will come with practice.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 14:36:47 2018 No.3667309

>>3667303
It looks incredibly flat, especially the face. I'm shit as well so I can't really tell why, but probably push your values more(both lights and darks, the brightness of the nose doesn't make much sense when everything else is not even close). Also the face uses too much line instead of defining it with value. edges of her right (our left) arm need to be more defined as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 14:44:34 2018 No.3667320 >>3667309 this.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 14:46:03 2018 No.3667323

>>3667282
noted anon-kun. i tried to use reference in this image but i still butchered it. im taking a long detour before i indulge into my bosshi sama's level into drawing those mmd figures for a while. tracing, referencing everything. my book of choice will be burne hogarth

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 15:25:02 2018 No.3667360
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>>3667118
Anon, it looks good, but you need to put in more effort, great results will come from really getting in there and defining those shapes and planes. Don’t forget the background, no matter how unimportant it seems, even just an added shadow will change the perception of values within the subject. You need to push those lights and darks, not arbitrarily, but notice those small spots where the light hits extra bright like the line defining the bridge of the nose, or where the darks hit extra dark, like where the shadow defines the edge of the brow. This is a good start, but it looks like just the second step in an extensive multi step process. I’m at work, so I had to do this with a mouse, sorry if it’s sloppy and for the poor hand writing, but I hope the redline attaches helps. Good luck anon, keep going.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 16:02:13 2018 No.3667391 >>3667360 Oh man that looks really good. I'll refine it tomorrow. At this point it is advised to start cleaning up on top of the linework yes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 16:33:09 2018 No.3667421 I was looking at Draw A Box, can anyone explain why it's controversial? What's good and bad about it? I really suck dick with straight lines/good shapes so I was thinking of following this for a bit. Would I be better served doing something else?

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 16:37:37 2018 No.3667425
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>>3666637
Working on color and concept art, trying to be quick and ignore details for the general vibe / feel. This took about an hour. I really struggle with environments, size, perspective, and doing cohesive pieces rather than floating characters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 16:41:44 2018 No.3667430 File: 6 KB, 425x284, 610sWMXVyoL._SX425_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How bad will I end up if I start with a drawing tablet really early?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 16:44:24 2018 No.3667434 >>3666827 >how far i can go in a year you're fucked by limiting yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 16:45:06 2018 No.3667436 File: 818 KB, 1577x2281, JPEG_20181105_134056.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3667262

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 16:53:38 2018 No.3667444 >>3667430 Define bad in what way and what do you mean under really early? Like early in the morning? Or early in your drawing career?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 16:55:50 2018 No.3667446 >>3667436 You make ZUN proud anon!

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:05:57 2018 No.3667457 >>3667444 Bad as in picking up bad habits and not learning the proper skills Early as in drawing career, I'm just getting started with the fundamentals

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:11:57 2018 No.3667469
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>>3667430
You risk being deviant-art tier bad. Or you could at most reach the level of this drawing I did a few days ago which I'm still hating because it totally feels like a kid's doodle.

To properly draw is to internalize forms and feelings. The easier way to do this is by working with pen and paper doing the lines yourself and feeling it, looking how shit your lines is and how your "human" looks more like a smurf, and trying again dozens of times until you get it right.

Do it for a long enough time and you'll have "internalized" the human figure and heads and stuff. Pen and paper is the best for noticing how shit you are and how to improve.
On digital everything looks pretty and you're focusing more on creating an appealing, correct image that you can look at. I don't know how else to say it. Basically digital looks less shit since digital ink is pretty and you will improve way slower or you may stop improving at all since you'll realize you can erase and correct until you have a pretty drawing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:13:35 2018 No.3667471 >>3667430 you can practice both.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:14:31 2018 No.3667474

>>3667430
I spent my life drawing on paper, intermittently, then got an ipad pro and procreate a year ago and I've been using that non-stop since.

I went back to drawing on paper the other day and I keep double tapping and pinching to zoom like a zoomer retard, but my proportions and stroke control are amazing on paper.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:15:14 2018 No.3667477
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Hello /beg/, sorry to bother you guys again, but can someone check my proportions on this drawing again? Once again, thank you and have a nice day. Also, what would be the best way to render fur in traditional? I have hard pencils, but i am wondering if i am supposed to smear at all or keep each line intact.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:15:59 2018 No.3667479

>>3667457
The tablet is just a tool anon no more no less, bad habits are formed by bad practices but they are formed both for digital and traditional mediums. It also depends on what you wish to achieve. If you goal is to learn traditional then obviously you should go with that but you wouldn't be asking about the table otherwise so I assume it is not.

If your goal is to learn digital art then any tablet is good to start out. Fundamentals remain the same regardless.

Bad habits you could develop is using undo too much or , but that is the same as erasing everything with pencil. Other bad habits is to rely too much on digital functions instead of understanding what you are doing like not planing enough because you can edit everything not understanding color or values because you can just adjust them later. That however can both be fixed easily by study or just ignored because it makes your life easier and the end product is the only thing that matter how you made it doesn't.

So don't worry there aren't man dangers that you cannot fix easily by being an intelligent person.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:19:22 2018 No.3667485 File: 35 KB, 736x552, borzoi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3667477 Oh shit, sorry about the upside down photo. Also, for reference, here is the original photo.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:23:15 2018 No.3667487

Posted this in the last one cause I didn't know there was a new one.
How do you guys construct your bodies? I'm having trouble consistently getting a form down because I'm unconfident and flip-flop between different shapes for the torso and waist. Often I draw something that looks good to me, then I draw it again and the new picture is garbage. Like I haven't learned anything from drawing the first and getting it to look good was just lucky.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:23:46 2018 No.3667488

>>3667479
>>3667430
About the abusing "Undo", that's why I started my drawing practices with a pen. I don't regret it. Using ink really limits you in a good way; you know once it's done it's done and you can move to a different figure if it didn't work instead of getting stuck trying to correct it. Now I tend to try to do things perfectly in one go with careful calculation since I still feel like failing means the drawing is ruined (or I'll have to chicken-scratch to change it into something else)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:30:32 2018 No.3667500 File: 139 KB, 668x1000, 20181105_232040-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what should I improve in the next future?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:32:28 2018 No.3667502 File: 418 KB, 608x920, spoop.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have no clue what I'm doing

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:35:58 2018 No.3667505 >>3667502 excuse me sir this is a beginner thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:37:46 2018 No.3667507 >>3667502 Your picture may look nice, but posting in /beg/ for attention makes you a nigger.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:39:53 2018 No.3667509

>>3667391
Hey anon, yeah that’s what I would do. You have laid down a good base for your drawing, the only reason I was able to do my revision so well was because you’re underdrawing is so solid. That is the key word, underdrawing. Your final piece should be completely new and completely or almost completely cover that drawing. Its purpose is to inform the forms, shapes and values you paint on top like a guide so your final piece can be more precise and clean. Don’t feel married to what you have already done, the next step is to improve upon it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:40:44 2018 No.3667511 >>3667505 >>3667507 But, I am a beginner, I've been here for less than a year.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:43:18 2018 No.3667516 >>3667505 >>3667507 I dunno, sometimes people are trying out new things and need advice on certain things. I hesitate everytime I post my colored works on the /draw/ thread since I'm a beginner on that.

>>	Junebu Mon Nov 5 17:44:36 2018 No.3667517 File: 2.68 MB, 3506x2262, 3C6933B8-92F8-4178-8EFE-9076DC016B9C.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hi! Could you please help me with dynamicity? :3

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:49:20 2018 No.3667524

>>3667505
>>3667507
Woah friends, there are lots of ways to be a beginner. Maybe it’s youre okay with design but can’t do forms, maybe you can do value but not color. No need to be crabby, instead, give a critique, tell him what you think looks off, and maybe he’ll come back and give advice and critiques on things he’s good at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 17:51:09 2018 No.3667527 >>3667502 don't do le epic extreme perspective and things will be easier, for one thing

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 18:54:20 2018 No.3667583
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>>3667309
I tried to add deeper browns to add depth, then I added some highlights to match the nose and then I added some pink to make her look alive. It looks better, but not great. And my hair is pretty lacking.

Thank you for the advice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 18:58:24 2018 No.3667585 >>3667583 her palm looks too smooth and flat

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 18:59:53 2018 No.3667586 >>3667583 Everything looks so flat. This needs to be completely redone.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 19:00:21 2018 No.3667588
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I think from here, I need to take what I've picked up over the past few days, being looser, and go back to actually constructing the figure, and doing this all three dimensionally once more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 19:19:18 2018 No.3667607 >>3667588 sweaty hands

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 19:31:41 2018 No.3667616 File: 138 KB, 777x1190, hand.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Attempt at drawing my drawing hand while on DXM Any potential here? Usually my drawing is just page filling stoner art.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 19:33:20 2018 No.3667619 how can i get a good sense of light?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 19:35:52 2018 No.3667621 >>3667616 Dude Weed LMAO

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 19:41:23 2018 No.3667629 >>3667621 I just mentioned it because fine motor control gets really hard. Sorry to bother you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 19:48:28 2018 No.3667638 >>3667505 What makes him not a beginner? Memorizing the skeleton? Basic surface muscles? Learning skeletal and the muscular anatomy are actually fairly easy if you can dedicate some time to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:03:07 2018 No.3667648 I just realize I have very poor mental imagery. I can't even picture my mothers face in my minds eye. Even trying to picture an apple is hard. Is it possible to be an artist with little to no mental imagery powers?

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:19:55 2018 No.3667661

>>3667648
That's why you're a beginner, that's why the idea of simplifying items into basic shapes is super important.

Most artists work off of references even at the highest level when they're going to do something that demands a certain level of detail.

Ideally you want to memorize the 5 fundamental shapes. Sphere, Cube, Pyramid, Cone and Cylinder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:28:17 2018 No.3667668 >>3667648 I don't think so but I'm going to keep trying until I figure it out-at least for a while >t. has the same problem

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:29:29 2018 No.3667670 File: 158 KB, 778x729, df0e5f83046b5d8ab53245ae74ee039b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do I make this better? don't mind the line inconsistency, it's just the sketch

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:32:30 2018 No.3667672 >>3667661 what about the dodeca-octohedron?

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:32:31 2018 No.3667673

>>3667430
It makes literally no difference.
If you plan on being a digital artist, you'll always use tablets anyway.
If you want to go traditional, then why are you using a tablet in the first place?
A decent enough tablet and knowledge of photoshop lets you replicate whatever control or effect you'd produce with a real pen/pencil.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is a butthurt traditionalist

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:32:35 2018 No.3667674 >>3667670 Loomis, first of all. Second, study hair. His hair is basically pasted to his scalp.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:35:43 2018 No.3667679

>>3667500
Anon, you know what you have to do, you even wrote “tiny legs” on your paper. Sometimes it’s not real until someone else says it, I get it.

Work on your proportions anon. It’s difficult especially with the poses you’re drawing. Perspective, overlap, foreshortening, they really do complicate things. You have to measure more thouroughly, don’t just eyeball it, you aren’t at that point yet.

It warms my cold dead heart to see you practicing anatomy and trying to instill that knowledge into your mind, but all the anatomy in the world will not save your drawing if you apply it to faulty construction. Block out the overall shapes and forms with the correct perspective and proportions first, then apply your anatomical knowledge. If you do it the other way around like it appears you did here, you are just wasting time fleshing out an inherently flawed figure. It will become second nature with time and you’ll be able to skip steps as you gain more experience, but for now, you need to go from the general forms of the overall figure first, then to the specific forms created by the anatomical muscles after.

Keep it up anon, post progress.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:40:11 2018 No.3667681

>>3667500
Aside from just keeping at it, biggest advice I can see from your drawings is that you should study individual bodyparts closely. Especially arms and legs.
Study foreshortening. Those pieces have almost none and it's part of the reason the legs look proportional, but small.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:40:47 2018 No.3667682 >>3666747 Bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 21:05:28 2018 No.3667716 File: 248 KB, 1496x740, lewds.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] trying my hand at degeneracy for a change. nofap makes me want to draw this. how is it?

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 21:07:36 2018 No.3667718
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Began drawing a few days ago, just been doing portraits from reference and trying to keep things open before going into details.
I felt fairly pleased with this (as a beginner). It doesn't look very much like the model, but it looks better than anything else I've drawn. Took about 10-15 minutes.
I'm gonna keep drawing portraits like this because it turns out it's super fun, but I'd like to get some crit on what obv flaws are and what I should do to address them, what I'm clearly not aware of and hopefully some positive feedback as well.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 21:24:22 2018 No.3667741
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>>3667718
Anon, drawings take hours, if not days. Michelangelo took 4 years to paint the Sistine chapel. You are just dipping your toes in, testing the waters, I understand, but unless you have a decades of experience, more than 15 minutes of effort is needed to create a good drawing. I would say effort is the largest thing lacking.

That being said, for a guy who started a couple of days ago and for 10 to 15 minutes, not bad. You need to read some books man, get an idea on how to construct a base for your drawing using simple shapes and forms. You need to learn how to draw using light and form instead of the library if symbols your head uses as shorthand to easily understand the world around you.

Start with Fun With A Pencil, and actually read it, don’t just look at the pictures and exercises. Good luck, keep having fun anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 21:26:41 2018 No.3667743 >>3667616 Hello underage, watch the proportions on the hand

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 21:32:01 2018 No.3667747

>>3667741
Thanks anon, I get pretty antsy after what I'm drawing starts to look like something, so I kind of just left it where it was. That, and I feel what I gain most from working on right now is initial measuring and establishing base elements without overworking them needlessly.

I've been working with loomis as well, but it feels way different than drawing straight from reference and my blooks look like shit. What exactly should I focus on? I kind of just want to draw cubes and shapes fitting together without thinking of the character of the drawing, I don't find the style very fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 21:41:30 2018 No.3667757 File: 471 KB, 800x900, persona man and girl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] we're gonna rock the casbah

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 21:42:56 2018 No.3667758 >>3667757 Are you even trying?

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:01:47 2018 No.3667788

>>3667500
Learn perspective. Your sketches are still looking very flat and front facing view. You're not yet thinking in terms of volumes in space. Study more anatomy and learn the patterns and rhythms in the structure of the body, so you can simplify the anatomy. Study Bridgeman and Michael Hampton.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:06:41 2018 No.3667795

>>3667747
I get that feeling anon, you’re drawing, you’re finally getting something you feel is decent for your skill and experience level and you don’t want to mess it up, you don’t want to overwork it and somewhere inside you know you don’t know enough to take it further. The thing is, you’re just starting, you’re at the bottom of the mountain climbing up. You’re more free than anyone else right now, there are no stakes, there is no pressure. It’s natural to be proud of what you draw when you do well, but right now, for your level, everything you draw is like a sacrificial lamb to the fire. It isn’t meant to be good, it’s meant to serve a higher purpose, your education.

As for the thing about loomis, yeah he can be pretty dull sometimes, and it’s an old book with at times an out of fashion cartooning style, but the style isn’t what the book is about at its root. He is trying to give you a frame work and a general process for how to approach a blank canvas and turn it into more than the sum of its parts. He is trying to teach you to start first with a generalized form and then slowly by cutting away and adding on “material” sculpting a face or a figure or an object. I think this is as specific as I’m able to articulate, what you need to focus on. How to build that generalized base drawing, before moving in to the specific, that is why reading loomis and practicing those exercises are important, because it can eventually apply to everything, no matter if it’s imagined or referenced. But hey that shape thing sound like a good idea too. Draw some fruit, do a still life, they are basically just slightly warped basic forms like cubes spheres and cylinders. At this point it’s also important not to forget that you actually enjoy this. Good luck anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:22:52 2018 No.3667819 File: 803 KB, 1097x656, Old_Man_resize_ref.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can someone point out/redline where I'm missing the planes of the face? Also, How can I fix my crosshatching? Any feedback is appreciated

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:23:44 2018 No.3667820 File: 30 KB, 757x700, 45479920_1218572534949666_4629548778821517312_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I tried drawing a buddy of mine. It's pretty off, it's been a while since I've drawn and I feel like I got worse. :/

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:27:14 2018 No.3667823 >>3667757 Stop posting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:30:23 2018 No.3667826 File: 143 KB, 896x1280, IMG_20181105_222029088~01~01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Been doing Vilppu's boxes. Not much but it is something!

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:31:03 2018 No.3667827 >>3667757 Are you feeling okay this is worse than usual

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:34:12 2018 No.3667834 looking at yourself in the mirror helps a bit

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:36:13 2018 No.3667839 >>3667716 pretty great just needs some refining

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:38:33 2018 No.3667840 >>3667757 Something wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 23:13:27 2018 No.3667865 >Artists who don't do drugs Talk about ngmi

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 23:20:08 2018 No.3667870 >>3667865 We don't need degenerates on this board. Furry porn scat artist are better than druggies.

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 23:24:25 2018 No.3667877

>>3667819
Get that contrast in!! You have a nice "line" though, as in it doesnt look too smudgy/indecisive which is good
You overestimated how big his forehead is/need to shade it in more, and lost the diamond shape that his face has.
In terms of planes it doesnt look bad at all. Maybe get in the way the forehead fades in (it's orientated away from the viewer)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 23:30:36 2018 No.3667883 >>3667870 ngmi christfag

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 23:55:31 2018 No.3667907 >>3667870 you have a really bad opinion and should delete your post

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 00:05:09 2018 No.3667915 >>3667865 AMPHETAMINE

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 00:06:46 2018 No.3667917 >>3667907 no u

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 00:10:00 2018 No.3667924 Is there a reason not to use both ends of a pencil? I want one to be blunt and the other to be sharp.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 01:29:29 2018 No.3667962 File: 344 KB, 800x900, lucina 4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] drew more lucina

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 01:31:53 2018 No.3667963 File: 545 KB, 836x1568, ready.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's okay, anon. I can't gag!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 01:34:02 2018 No.3667965 where to print digital art? some faggot on youtube said walgreens is okay. is he retarded or is it okay to have walgreens print your stuff?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 01:34:09 2018 No.3667966 >>3667962 I thought I told you to stop posting.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 01:39:47 2018 No.3667970

>>3667509
Oh man I have no idea why I didn't see that I should paint on top of the linework~ I mean, I paint over my colored pencils with gouache every day no?

I somehow thought that I should paint it really solid under the linework and then just hide the drawing layer. Thinking about it that makes no sense, it's not something I'd do with traditional media either.

Thanks anon you were a big help!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 01:47:14 2018 No.3667977 >>3667962 NGMI

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 01:47:18 2018 No.3667978 >>3667962 This guy is simultaneously annoying, endearing, sad, and hilarious Keep posting

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 02:04:40 2018 No.3667992 >>3667962 Fuck everyone else, I believe in you anime doodle poster.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 02:18:58 2018 No.3668004 File: 1002 KB, 876x987, koumewall.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sorry for spamming this but I removed the bike since I wasn't happy with it. Cleaned up some lines too.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 02:20:03 2018 No.3668006

>>3667583
>1668x2224px

I feel that everything is done with local color. Did you make any color composition thumbnails or color swatches before you begin? All the wood paneling and shelves and bar counter feel really poorly done. Local color brown with darker brown shadows.

Do warm lights and cool shadows? Maybe just implicate the background by loosing some of that detail from the background.

There is little construction to the face and everything feels really flat apart from the nose bridge.

See other digital and traditional paintings from bars and nightclubs. Make a list of what you like and what you don't like. Then choose the color scheme of the final image and stick to that. You need to re-do this there is no quick fix.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 02:22:35 2018 No.3668011 >>3667629 why the fuck you are asking critique / advice from pics that you draw while drunk / under influence. how about pop couple pills of go fuck yourself 25mg and fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 02:26:06 2018 No.3668015 >>3668004 Come on man, you really should have stuck a dick on that character under those delicious pants to make her the trap she should be!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 02:35:20 2018 No.3668020 Hi, does someone know what image format is the best at preserving the image quality of digital art? Thanks in advance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 02:47:23 2018 No.3668028 >>3668004 needs more midtones You should add some reflected light on her thighs from the wall she is leaning to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 03:09:38 2018 No.3668037 >>3668015 I'll do it later, haha, I'm not opposed. >>3668028 Thank you, you're right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 03:55:01 2018 No.3668063 >>3667826 neat, keep going anon!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 04:07:50 2018 No.3668070 File: 486 KB, 582x877, i need to finish this in 12 hours.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3667502 The bellybutton is disturbing me, it's uncanny valley-like.

>>	Nosebro Tue Nov 6 04:10:00 2018 No.3668071 >>3666998 https://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cFX1jNYN71

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 04:13:16 2018 No.3668073 >>3668070 probably because the area around it is a flat green, try colouring more of the body before redoing it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 04:47:51 2018 No.3668099 >>3668020 png but high-quality jpg is fine, just make sure to set it so in the options

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 04:47:59 2018 No.3668100 >>3667517 explain "dynamicity" please so we could help.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 05:18:34 2018 No.3668122 File: 888 KB, 1500x1500, akali black 2 2 2 s.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] done this yesterday i feel like i'm improving and i'm happy but idk

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 05:22:50 2018 No.3668125 How do you decide the size of your brush?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 05:23:56 2018 No.3668128 >>3668125 the biggest possible for the job

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 05:41:30 2018 No.3668138 >>3668125 Which ever you're comfortable with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 05:43:11 2018 No.3668140 Are male eyes the same as women's eyes? I was skimming through Loomis' heads and hands book but I saw that his women's section was extremely small. I like the way he draws his women so I'm looking for more books to help me draw in more of his style.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 05:45:57 2018 No.3668142 File: 291 KB, 667x400, ghosty portal thing.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i feel like the perspective is completely fucked

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 05:47:27 2018 No.3668143 >>3668142 I have no idea what's happening

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 05:53:40 2018 No.3668149

>>3668143
the top triangle things can slide/are retractable and they are pulling back to reveal of the opening where the green light is coming from. sort of like pulling the foreskin on a cock back. the 'front' thing is like a pillar/column/whatever coming up from the bottom. the whole thing is supposed sorta of sci fi megalithish

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 06:04:23 2018 No.3668157 >>3668140 no here I made a thread >>3668155

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 06:04:31 2018 No.3668159 File: 62 KB, 476x468, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666637 Please tell me what's wrong with my body ?

>>	Nosebro Tue Nov 6 06:10:35 2018 No.3668165 File: 90 KB, 1240x874, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3668159 with me mouse LEL GOOD LUCK DECIPHERING

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 06:11:45 2018 No.3668167 File: 25 KB, 136x102, 682-thumb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3668165 I prefer mine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 06:18:44 2018 No.3668174 >>3668122 why you are not using any hard brushes with high opacity? That looks a mess.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 06:48:55 2018 No.3668187
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>>3667583
Great job on this anon, to give it form I introduces a secondary light source roughly from the left side as rim lighting is the generic technique used in most visual media this can help you to flesh out the character's form I kind of ruined the right side a bit as I added more on the left and tried to add a reflected light source from the right but it sucks. This can give the character more roundness for example adding more light to one side of the face, nose, forehead, lips jewelry, hands. That was almost all I did so my contribution is minor. I really love the hand you made and was scared that I butcher it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 06:54:18 2018 No.3668195 >>3668167 Dumb faggot. Why ask for help if you're going to be a retard about it? His one looks better than your shitty ill-informed proportions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 06:56:11 2018 No.3668198 File: 143 KB, 805x959, Picture 173.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666929 should i give up

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 07:57:16 2018 No.3668248
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>>3668198
Great to know you still didn't give up! Sadly I have no clue about charcoal so I have no idea how you do it so I can only cheat using digital to advise here is how I would change it.

Trim the lips on the left a bit and make the left corner inside of the mouth dark to make the teeth less flat. Make the skin a bit darker around the eye and make the eyelids a bit lighter, then make the eyelid curve upwards. The goal is to give the sphere-sitting in a hole feeling stronger for the eyeball.

Make the left side of the lips slightly darker since the light is coming from the right side so they are in shadow. Add a bit of a line to the corner of the mouth, the mouth is generally not 100% lips after all, there is a subtle little corner to it.

Other random ideas is to make the cheek a bit puffier becasue her cheekbone seems flat, the neck slimmer and more curved in and you can generally add more tones to the hair where it feels to be facing towards the light You can add a few highlights spots if it is possible (dunno how you do it with charcoal) to the eyeball's right side and the inner corner of the right eye those are wet and reflective points and facing the light source.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 08:17:14 2018 No.3668269 File: 138 KB, 476x468, untitled02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3668159 Use the surface shape of the body to adjust the pairs of pecs and abs to it.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 08:46:20 2018 No.3668293
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I've been doing these for the last few days because I've been told it's a good way to make my poses more dynamic once I start drawing from my imagination (these are all from reference).

How am I doing? Am I doing these right?

I dunno if I can call these gesture drawings because I construct the pose first before I did these.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 08:59:11 2018 No.3668300 >>3668107 This is pretty good, anon. Good anatomical understanding and construction. Nice line fluidity. Try practicing more extreme expressions for a challenge.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 09:05:40 2018 No.3668307

>>3668293
Don't be lazy and draw proper heads. I know you're studying poses, but you'll need to draw perspective-aligned heads when you draw poses for real, so why aren't you drawing them now?
Some of those are decent, some of them are awful. I'd suggest just doing some general anatomy studies. A lot of stuff in there looks symbol drawn still.

And as a general advice, try using a smaller brush and being more loose with your strokes. Drawing anatomy from the getgo with hard lines is not easy. Sketch, then refine.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 09:11:27 2018 No.3668312
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>>3668307
Thank you for the advice

>And as a general advice, try using a smaller brush and being more loose with your strokes.
What do you mean more loose? Do you mean just longer lines? I have a small tablet which makes this hard to do for me, is that a good excuse?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 09:15:47 2018 No.3668317 >>3668174 idk desu this was just an attempt i have basics brushes. Do you think i should work only with hard brushes ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 09:18:30 2018 No.3668321 File: 180 KB, 1434x1076, hair_practice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And advice on how do draw hair more fluff? Is there a way to draw nice hair without drawing every flick of hair?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 09:19:29 2018 No.3668323 File: 229 KB, 670x399, untitled_01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3668142 turn up the lights anon you need to convey light in the dark here, then add some evil magic effects, maybe a silhouette of an evil wizard standing beside the portal.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 09:25:39 2018 No.3668327

>>3668321
You should NEVER try to draw hair by drawing every flick of it that is unnecessary and pointless. Draw shapes in varied sizes and forms and shade them accordingly as the hairstyle needs it. Find where the hair starts and then go from there following the curvature of the head then gravity, unless the hair was fixes by a some way using gel or instruments then follow those.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 10:36:02 2018 No.3668380 Trying to get better at drawing heads - I've been using a lot of references but I'm worried I'm relying too much on identifying relational shapes instead of developing my understanding of construction. Which approach would be best?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 11:02:36 2018 No.3668397 >>3668327 Thanks for the advice!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 11:22:25 2018 No.3668406 File: 107 KB, 470x546, cover.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do I draw bandages better? I've got no idea how they work logistically

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 11:29:19 2018 No.3668411

>>3668406
Grab a bandage and wrap it around your arm, take note of how it goes around the form and where fabric folds are likely to appear.

Keep in mind the thickness, texture, and softness of the fabric to prevent it looking like a scarf (which yours kind of does). Also remember that bandages serve the purpose of binding dressings to would and are usually wrapped quite tightly, anything loose will look like it'll come undone easily.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 11:31:24 2018 No.3668413 File: 49 KB, 716x921, 45491554.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] starting with render. What am I doing wrong?

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 11:35:51 2018 No.3668417

>>3668413
You're in the uncanny valley, you have a simplified face without simplified forms. This is why it is more difficult to stylize since you are deviating away from life drawing and into something that is abstract. If you want to define form you are going to need to be very subtle in a way you imply form rather than refine it.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 11:39:57 2018 No.3668424

>>3668417

thank you for the guidance. I guess this is what people mean when trying to make something like a cartoon face, with overly rendered forms. Realistic shading on a non realistic form.
Not to say my rendering is good, my values are ok, i'm probably making a lot of mistakes there too, but I guess what you are saying.

Make forms more simple, shading more subtle when painting simplistic forms.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 11:55:40 2018 No.3668435 >>3668417 That isn't really uncanny valley have you seen the Alita movie, she literally looks crazy weird.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 11:59:10 2018 No.3668440 File: 91 KB, 1280x720, 1524975383856.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3668435 >That isn't the uncanny valley >She looks weird Pick one. The absolute state of /beg/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 12:02:03 2018 No.3668445 Are any of these like $350 USD and cheaper drawing display tablets decent? I've mostly been practicing on paper with pen, but I'd kind of like to switch over to digital and it seems like a display tablet would be easier than a normal drawing tablet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 12:02:06 2018 No.3668446 File: 247 KB, 633x353, alita trailer 2 main (Custom).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3668440 but that is how she looks anon, seriously I didn't make this up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 12:04:48 2018 No.3668451 >>3668446 and this is somehow supposed to make it right? You can shit on canvas and call it art but it is still shit on canvas.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 12:06:45 2018 No.3668455

>>3668446
>>3668440

Well, yeah, i exaggerated her forms because it is suppose to look like that. Big eyes, small, big lips mouth.
I know there is a meme on /ic/ related to how you can't have realistic shading in anime.
Not to say my shading is any good, but i think that is what >>3668417 was also talking about

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 12:08:53 2018 No.3668457 >>3668451 I didn't say that makes it right but it is accurate on how the character looks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 12:19:37 2018 No.3668468 File: 1.83 MB, 3264x2448, 20181106_111216.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm having a bit of trouble with extreme foreshortening vs perspective.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 12:22:02 2018 No.3668474
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>>3668455
>>3668413
Here is how I would change anon, you made her lips to be fishlips instead of human lips the human lips have a bump in the center of the top lip that rarely goes away, also you can add the edges of the mouth too if you care.

I know I messed up the nose a lot here tough....

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 12:58:24 2018 No.3668517 File: 2.13 MB, 4032x3024, 89AF1FC4-7D57-4BD3-BECD-F08B36D2661F.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Probably my first legit attempt(s) at loomis. Any advice?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 13:01:02 2018 No.3668520 >>3668517 Buy yourself a box of printer paper.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 13:12:10 2018 No.3668532 >>3668474 wow, i like that quite a lot. Gonna add those details and fixes to my drawing. Thanks a lot for the help. Thanks for the help

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 13:16:59 2018 No.3668541

>>3668474
wow, i like that quite a lot. Gonna add those details and fixes to my drawing. Thanks a lot for the help. I like that mouth. Those side lines to help define the mouth will help losing that fishlip mouth
The nose you did looks great too. I just don't think i will make it as small, but i will widen the nose bones like you did.
Again, thanks for the feedback

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 14:35:25 2018 No.3668663

>>3666637
Will learning how to manage pencil pressure/value and drawing endless a3 of gradients help me draw realistic balls with shadows and later on, with digital drawing in any way?

I realize that I can't do that right now, but I'd like to have some more motivation to practice pencil control.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 14:37:59 2018 No.3668671 File: 217 KB, 1000x1240, IMG_20181106_202952.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I stopped drawing for a long time and I've lately started again. I have no idea what I'm doing. Things just seem weird...

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 14:49:18 2018 No.3668695 File: 119 KB, 880x655, rin redone.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how do you draw and starve at the same time because it's hard to think of anything to draw while hungry

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 14:58:59 2018 No.3668709 >>3668695 >delayed gratification Finish an image and then go eat

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 15:28:35 2018 No.3668738 Perspective and especially the figure in perspective and foreshortening are sons of bitches Is it considered cheating when starting out to use 3D modeling programs to develop a sense for these things? I’ll stick to pictures if so

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 15:30:30 2018 No.3668741 >>3668738 "there are no rules, only tools" There is no such thing as cheating.

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 15:49:03 2018 No.3668754
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Line -> some basic construction -> draw rest

I feel like my eye is ok at this point but I'm still lacking a lot of basic knowledge. Can anyone point me to a good course or book to continue my learning?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 15:51:29 2018 No.3668757 >>3668392 looks like they took the bogpill

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 15:52:42 2018 No.3668758 >>3668695 So much progress I am proud of you Rin poster.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 15:59:32 2018 No.3668767 File: 89 KB, 616x1020, lady-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how does this look?

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 16:08:49 2018 No.3668776

>>3668738
It's not cheating. Using 3d applications to create deliberate practice scenes as a kind of custom life drawing is probably really underestimated.

Use any tool as long as you use it in a way that suits your goals. If your goal is to become really independent and strong at imagination drawing, you can't be tracing 3d models all the time. Things like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 16:25:49 2018 No.3668796 when did /beg/ get so good??? this shit is no longer accessible anymore...

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 16:34:01 2018 No.3668807
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Gotta start somewhere.
I did it upside-down obviously.
>>3668767
As you can guess I'm don't know shit but isn't this the chicken scratch the sticky recommend against ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 16:35:07 2018 No.3668809 >>3668807 >I'm don't know shit I don't know shit

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 16:54:26 2018 No.3668830
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>>3667718
>>3667795
I drew Loomis heads for a few hours today but it went awful and I hate doing it, so I started doing still lifes instead, starting with a ball and building upon it. Is this a viable way to learn construction?
It's way more fun and I feel the geometry actually makes sense this way. I figure I'll just apply the same concept of combining different elementary shapes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 16:59:29 2018 No.3668835 >>3668830 Watch Marc Leone's basics course. Its free on Youtube. Do Loomis later.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:01:55 2018 No.3668839 >>3668835 Will do, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:07:29 2018 No.3668848 Remember fellow /beg/gars the cylinder is your friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:08:00 2018 No.3668849 File: 619 KB, 1062x1333, Screenshot_20181106-220659_Gallery.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I did my best anatomy/gesture drawing today. 14 mins

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:11:35 2018 No.3668854 >>3668807 And so from there I just choose between The Natural Way to Draw and Keys to Drawing and follow the book ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:13:25 2018 No.3668856 >>3666637 >>3666637 This all seems to be illustration...not really 'art'

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:15:12 2018 No.3668859 Don't reply

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:19:36 2018 No.3668865 >>3668856 Gotta start somewhere. Same for music, you're doing scale again and again and nobody like it. 1 hour of scale a day minimum if you want to git gud. >>3668859 lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:25:22 2018 No.3668872 >>3668468 Would this mean I'm not /beg/?

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:28:00 2018 No.3668875
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>>3666637
>Draw Venom on the 3DS outside and look like an absolute God of Art walking among men
>Everyone impressed at my talent, borderline clapping
>"I don't even need to buy a tablet anymore I'll use the 3DS instead"
>Export drawing
>It looks like a paint doodle when zoomed in
Goddammit. I guess I could fix it using a smaller brush but still I was confident on this being great

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:29:10 2018 No.3668879
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>>3668006
I just tried to make my character more purple/blue then do an ambient homey/cozy bar background that was different tones of yellow. I thought going with complimentary colors would help but you're right, it doesn't look good. I don't have a good grasp on colors yet.

I suppose having less yellows in the drawing would help, so I'll leave the wood table/beer mug but put in a blue background. I tried to make the lighting from the left look yellow.

>>3668187
Thanks that helped a lot. I tried to make some more changes but I'll have to figure out the hair later. I appreciate it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:46:31 2018 No.3668908 File: 37 KB, 970x542, gay.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] tried to do both a male and female arm. I'm just starting out to learn anatomy so I hope someone can rip me apart and give good pointers

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:58:11 2018 No.3668933 File: 91 KB, 1280x720, kamina.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] to anyone that has worked hard today, that has thought about their craft and how to improve I believe in you you're gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 18:05:23 2018 No.3668942 File: 104 KB, 958x1061, 149392511927187710.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >stop using loomis >faces improve immediately

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 18:12:10 2018 No.3668948 >>3668942 He taught you well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 18:31:36 2018 No.3668979 >>3668865 I dont reallly see how you can get good if you dont do life study... it's basically asking people to invent their own shit which is crazy

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 18:38:32 2018 No.3668985 >>3668979 Shhh. The less people understand how crucial observation from life is, the less people I have to compete with. Let the NGMIs NMI

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 18:39:01 2018 No.3668987 >>3668979 You need to do a lot of shit, life study is one of them. In the last thread someone posted one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 18:39:06 2018 No.3668988 What's /beg/s opinion on clutch pencils? I used to own one when I was a young teen but forgot the sensation of using one. I don't think I had one of those sharpeners to go with one...It would have required many lunch money pocketing to get one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 19:01:33 2018 No.3669026 File: 2.11 MB, 1456x2184, halloween was last week.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3668070 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 19:06:05 2018 No.3669036 >>3667924 No one?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 19:20:25 2018 No.3669054 >>3669036 get 2 pencils???? it's gonna get to a point where the pencil is short enough for it to be a problem

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 19:24:34 2018 No.3669059
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Okay guys, I just discovered that I was a natural left handed but due to elementary school professors being assholes, I was forced to write/draw/etc., with my right hand. (I have no recollection of it)
I decided to try my left hand at drawing for the first time and it is surprisingly good (It's still crap but not as awful as I expected)
So my question is, has any of you successfully learned to draw with both of your hands? I know it will take time to develop proper skill with my left hand but I felt really comfortable doodling some (Rembrandt) faces so I'm willing to try.
(all of them are lefties except for the Sabrina doodle)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 19:26:50 2018 No.3669062 File: 205 KB, 891x853, snack 22 redone.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] gotta keep drawing

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 19:31:31 2018 No.3669067 File: 104 KB, 300x136, 1512846846575.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3666637 HOW DO I MAKE MYSELF DRAW MORE OFTEN

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 19:32:41 2018 No.3669068 >>3669062 You should stop drawing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 19:41:14 2018 No.3669082 >>3668872 No it means we are wondering what the fuck are you trying to do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 19:46:14 2018 No.3669089 I am really confused on what exactly is foreshortening. Can someone put it into simple terms a dummy can understand?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 19:50:04 2018 No.3669096 >>3669062 You should keep drawing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 20:06:39 2018 No.3669110 >>3669062 Great job anon really enjoying the line weight and variety.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 20:07:58 2018 No.3669112 >>3669082 Drawing in very difficult angles. Did you not read the question?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 20:10:29 2018 No.3669113 >>3669112 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDbMQs82q0c&list=PLMXbAPr21di-Ox-dmDwL2riWedei1dn9S&index=13

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 20:15:58 2018 No.3669117 File: 653 KB, 1560x2456, shade_study.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] First attempt at studying a sculpture How did I do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 20:38:47 2018 No.3669139 >>3668122 is that akali?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 21:03:22 2018 No.3669167 File: 325 KB, 800x900, hinako.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] quick drawing of hinako from blue reflection

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 21:10:37 2018 No.3669178 >>3669167 Draw Rakka

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 21:35:55 2018 No.3669228 File: 113 KB, 880x655, dai.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3669178 >Draw Rakka this one?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 21:40:59 2018 No.3669236 >>3669228 Good job youre improving

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 21:47:27 2018 No.3669243 >>3669236 oh fuck i missed it

Anonymous Tue Nov 6 21:58:42 2018 No.3669256 [DELETED]

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>>3669236
>>3669243
Archive's got my back, thanks anon
How did you manage to get the halo and some of the clothes right, but not get the wings or hair? And what's in her hand?
An interesting interpretation to be sure, it's like a blend of multiple characters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 22:11:02 2018 No.3669277 File: 39 KB, 649x536, 1375478861477.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3669256 >but not get the wings or hair explain >An interesting interpretation to be sure, it's like a blend of multiple characters. explain further

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 22:14:09 2018 No.3669283 >>3669256 Are you sure that's not Daidouji from Cardcaptor Sakura.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 22:16:47 2018 No.3669287 File: 716 KB, 1365x665, Screenshot 2018-11-06 at 7.15.44 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3669277 What Rakka are you thinking of? He deleted his post with the drawing in it, I realize now that the halo on his drawing is indeed a hat

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 22:19:13 2018 No.3669291 File: 53 KB, 514x390, archive.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3669283 >>3669277 I see now what happened, how the fuck did he get Daidouji from Rakka?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 22:21:22 2018 No.3669294 >>3669291 NIGGA, you should have extra explained yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 22:30:03 2018 No.3669302 look at him he deleted it he's scared. Scared of the real Man. I'll fuck you til you love me, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 22:31:01 2018 No.3669305 Why do you delete anon OwO

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 22:35:39 2018 No.3669308 >>3669305 Because I didn't want multiple posts clogging the thread dedicated to a misunderstanding from doodlekun, I'll try again next thread with a little more explanation, and by then he'll REALLY be good, just watch

>>	Nosebro Tue Nov 6 23:16:58 2018 No.3669348 >>3666998 you better fucking acknowledge me

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 23:28:39 2018 No.3669365 File: 186 KB, 970x640, IMG_20181106_170454_018.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What does ic/ think of my life study from art school?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 23:31:11 2018 No.3669367 >>3669365 Good thing it's not photorealist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 00:03:43 2018 No.3669404 File: 38 KB, 451x500, CharlesBargue.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Found this book when looking at youtube videos. Said to help with proportions. Should I go through the book to help with my shit proportions anon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 00:15:51 2018 No.3669412 >>3669404 Bargue is good. Go for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 00:38:01 2018 No.3669427 Can someone explain to me a little better the importance of "Master drawing" and what Im supposed to learn from it. I keep being told that a good way to improve is to copy other accomplished artists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 00:57:34 2018 No.3669438 >>3669427 I think the importance of studying master drawings is that you try to understand the techniques and perceived image by the artist. This helps you to learn better. There's an exercise "Keys to drawing" that goes deeper about this.

Anonymous Wed Nov 7 01:01:27 2018 No.3669440

>>3669365
Tubby figure is the best part, especially with how well you can see that the belly, breasts, and head are in space. That singular stroke capturing the sag of the breast is fucking sweet, too. The weight of the belly hitting the platform is my favorite part.

But I wish there was more implication of the face, especially on the seated figure's right eyesocket, where you'd definitely see shadow. The seated figure is weirding me out in general, largely because of how big the head is compared to the body. Also your limbs could use more definition, since they look more like noodley cylinders than sculptural forms of muscle and bone.

Nice stuff, in general. You make me wish I was in a life drawing class again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 01:45:40 2018 No.3669469 >>3668004 the tummy is so well done it's hard to believe you did it. or is the only part you finished rendering?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 01:49:30 2018 No.3669472 File: 174 KB, 1080x1350, gv0mb8vbmdt11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is copying a drawing an ok way to learn technique?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 02:19:04 2018 No.3669483 File: 505 KB, 1920x1206, Ogletest.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm trying to work on skintone, light n shadow n stuff. Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 02:24:15 2018 No.3669488 >>3669483 quit using black

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 02:53:41 2018 No.3669505 >>3668142 is this the Vault of Glass?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 02:56:40 2018 No.3669508 >>3669472 yes

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 03:02:05 2018 No.3669512 >>3668004 wtf this is epic. are you coloring over the lines now? how did you just now learn to render so we'll. I can't even do cel shading

Anonymous Wed Nov 7 03:11:29 2018 No.3669515

>>3669483
what you want to do, especially while you're learning is work out the palette away from the actual picture, so you think about the colour of the skin, the lighting, and you make a few tones for the lit skin and a few for the skin in shadow. then you eyedrop those and paint up your face, making any adjustments for local variation on the palette.

and keep the paint opaque if you can, if you're finding it really hard you can use a very small brush, as if it were a coloured pencil, but that's a bad habit in the long run.
you might also want to do a tonal drawing first, ie black and white, and paint over that, either opaque or using a layer mode to make it easier.

once you're used to thinking in a palette kinda way you can go back to sliders.

also seeing it's an orc you might want to have a look for guides on how to paint orc skin on warhammer figures.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 03:58:38 2018 No.3669545 Any advice on how to decide how long objects are when foreshortened? So far been just "eyeballing" it with poor results and not drawing any insights from perspective readings so far. Things like the arms and legs especially.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 05:09:58 2018 No.3669612 File: 3.21 MB, 4032x3024, 20181106_151631.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Needed to take a liberal art class for my college, and decided to go drawing. Am I gonna make it? It's not completely finished yet btw

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 05:35:54 2018 No.3669630 File: 129 KB, 1000x1000, Loomis & Hamton 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I tried to fuse my understanding of Hamtons gesture drawing and Loomis' mannequin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 05:47:37 2018 No.3669634 >>3669545 Look for perspective plan projections. Once you get the gist you can apply the concept to anything. It would still be quicker to use a model/reference if one is available.

Anonymous Wed Nov 7 05:48:06 2018 No.3669636
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>>3669483
Some basic ideas anon. The background has a powerful influence on who you view the picture. using a pure white background can be very distorting to the eyes o I suggest you try to use a grey or a muted colored background when you start or paint the base background color first before you start to color.

When you color pick for your palette or just on the fly try to use a curved line along the color square/triangle that most softwares have as you pick your lighter and darker colors. As the color's saturation decreases as more and more light it reflects when using the generic non-colored white-yellowish sunlight/spotlight. Same goes to the darker parts, when the thing goes into shadow it loses its vibrancy.

When mixing colors on the wheel when you start to move the color slider from one base color to another from green towards red or yellow for example. If you want the them to work well together and stay coherent then mute the colors into grayness because then they work better together and the main color can stay pure and saturated to provide the bulk of the color.

pic added with the palette I mainly used and the ideas I said

Anonymous Wed Nov 7 06:14:33 2018 No.3669655
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Learning by copying.... Still have a very long way to go started a month ago
Is it a bad idea to start this way? I want to be able to draw my ideas not copy tgings at all I hate portraits and things like that but ifI draw from my imagination things are just toooooo bad I can't take it

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 07:03:07 2018 No.3669697 File: 266 KB, 2079x2953, 1jcfRfphExsl5pK4SlzdlP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Critique?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 08:04:46 2018 No.3669758 >>3667527 >avoid an entire fundamental to make it easier just throw away everything and pick up a hot new reality TV series

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 08:06:17 2018 No.3669762 >>3669758 >what are words

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 08:09:03 2018 No.3669766 >>3667865 >not roiding before you pick up your first dumbbell you definitely need some quality hashish if you want to grind boxes my man

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 08:12:25 2018 No.3669769 File: 2.24 MB, 2525x2315, img325 copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] construction is boring so I go fast

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 08:16:33 2018 No.3669777 >>3669762 >le epic extreme Sounds like someone that avoids drawing things in a certain perspective because it's hard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 08:19:44 2018 No.3669781 Tried lineart, what did i do wrong lads ? How do i make it seems less flat ?

Anonymous Wed Nov 7 08:43:32 2018 No.3669791
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>>3669697
oh fucking snap anon! I love how smooth rendering is and the values are r super soft and pleasing, I wish I could render just half as good as this hnnnnngh!

Here is my attempt, the hat needs to sit on the head properly, it seems like it is falling off. I rearranged the face a bit, although it is off on mine. Pay attention on how the eyes, nose and lips line up the seems to be some misalignment there. I know the hat and the tilted angle of her head throws everything out of whack.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 08:53:54 2018 No.3669802 File: 306 KB, 2000x2000, dodles.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] doodles

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 11:01:26 2018 No.3669929 New Thread: >>3669924 >>3669924 >>3669924

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 15:05:47 2018 No.3670200 >>3669634 Thank you! I'll read up on that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 18:30:26 2018 No.3670436 >>3668312 >is that a good excuse? No not really Either zoom out or draw a bit smaller

Anonymous Wed Nov 7 22:39:41 2018 No.3670704

>>3669469
I'm just inconsistent in my rendering. I'm exiting /beg/ finally so one drawing will have shitty and good aspects. But yes, I really did that.

>>3669512
I learned how to recolor line art in Photoshop (I know, slow) So I got rid of black lines and so it looks a lot better

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 8 07:50:30 2018 No.3671053 File: 3.24 MB, 4032x3024, 20181108_044900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey /ic/ how can I add depth apart from shadows? Trying to learn basics and hands seemed like a good start point

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 8 14:30:53 2018 No.3671511 >>3671053 go to the new thread bro this one is already on its way out

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