Going to Make it

[GMI No.3653924]

Going to Make it Ladies and Gentlemen.

[Anonymous No.3653932]

>a bunch of superfluous bullshit
>no actual drawing present or visible
ngmi

[Anonymous No.3653994]

>>3653924
Learning from old people and not using modern tech. NGMI.

[pepipopo No.3653997]

>>3653924
>posts picture of paintings
>click eraser in tools on easel
what an idiot

[Anonymous No.3653998]

>>3653924
NEET bait thread, faggot

[GMI No.3654451]

>>3653998
NEET, LOL.
you took it in like a shiny, limp-wristed, twinkle toes faggot.
>>3653997
Doesn’t know Master Drawings.
>>3653932
>superfluous.....LOL!
(YOU)..GMI WITHOUT FIGURE DRAWING...LOL
HAHAHAHA.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.3654457]

>>3653924
OP calm down you're out of control

[Anonymous No.3654487]

>>3653924
anon what is this kiddie library shit?

[GMI No.3654547]

GMI...
Just not tonight:)

[Anonymous No.3654551]

>>3653924
Where's the drawing though, I only see reference and reference books

[GMI No.3654552]

>>3654551
Look up:)

[GMI No.3654560]

I have tried measuring multiple times, and when I get it wrong I get frustrated and tear the drawing down and start over.
Then I try creating envelopes. Then scaffolding.
Then I give up and quickly create a monstrosity like pic above so I can at least tell myself I have drawn today.
Next month I’ll be ordering my plaster casts.
But until then I will be doing Bargue Plates.
I kept putting the plates off cause I thought they may have been a waste of time, but obviously I need to start at the bottom of the sole of the person that is walking up to the starting line.
It’s so frustrating but I am not gonna quit.
I’m gonna get one more measuring instructional, and if that does not simplify things, then I will just keep trying and trying and trying until I get it...because I know I can get it.
And once I get it, it’s going to be awesome I assure you:)

[Anonymous No.3654660]

>>3654547
looks like my shit when i started drawing

[Anonymous No.3654675]

>>3654560
I actually found a pretty good guide for measuring. It goes over both the basics of sight-size (using a pencil as a visual aid to measure out proportions and angles) and comparative measurement (basing every measurement off of a base object, generally without the aid of tools). The goal for you now is to be able to identify angles and proportions, which will eventually become second
nature to you with enough practice. You won’t need tools as it will be subconscious.
http://www.beginnersschool.com/2015/05/04/measuring/

[Anonymous No.3654694]

>>3654547

[GMI No.3654745]

>>3654675
Thanks. Will read, apply and get back to you.
I appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.3654752]

>>3653994
this makes me sick

[GMI No.3654783]

>>3654752
Youth wasted on the young and all that.

[Anonymous No.3654823]

>>3653924
Neat books.
Keep going OP, at least you're not Illashit.

[Anonymous No.3654833]

>>3654783
making fun of "learning from old people and not using tech" is just the gayest fucking least skill seeking mentality i've ever heard. like their anime drawings are gonna look as good printed out and stuck on a wall as a real drawing. fucks sake

[Anonymous No.3655010]

>>3653924
This has telltale signs of someone burning out. Relax, op.

[Anonymous No.3655079]

>>3655010
Thanks for your concern.
Not burning out, just trying to learn how to draw in the classical manner. Raphael, Michelangelo, etc.
It’s frustrating because it’s so challenging.

My next measuring trial will be put to use in a sight size manner.
I was trying to skip this particular aspect of classical drawing exercises because I thought I knew better and I thought it would limit me.
Well, I’m already limited so I might as well do it.
I realized one of the things that it will teach me is measuring from a distance from the object and drawing easel, then looking to my paper from a distance, estimating where I put a mark, then walking up to the easel and putting the mark on the paper.
That will be a challenge I’m sure, but I do know that is how Sargent would paint so obviously it has its merits. (The walking back and forth thing, not necessarily sight size)
Thanks for all the replies.
>>3654823
Nice.
Sad story about the dude.

[Anonymous No.3655082]

>>3653924
mommy am gomma megg id!
sure my boy yor demost hansom of all and i love yor pantings.
in fact i buy one of yor paintings!
mommy yor da bess

[Anonymous No.3655087]

>>3654547
what the fuck is that garbage? you have all those books, all those materials, and THIS is the best you can produce?

You're a fucking disgrace to the Old Masters. Michaelangelo was 26 when he sculpted David. You're probably 27, and you're cranking out this shit.

[nigmi No.3655097]

No I'm gmi

[GMI No.3655155]

>>3655097
Hey bro, I kinda like this painting for a decoration type modern thingy.
May I make a suggestion?
Use some higher value, cooler temp color in the shadows of the orange and yellow ring, and a higher value warm color for the shadow of the blue ring.
It might be a cool revision.

[nigmi No.3655453]

>>3655155
thanks dawg I like the idea. I'll have to wait until it drys to see if I wanna do that.

[Anonymous No.3655738]

>>3653924
where did you get the prudhon from?

[GMI No.3655811]

>>3655738
I forget exactly where...wait
But first there is this..
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Pierre-Paul_Prud%27hon_-_Nude_Viewed_from_Behind_-_WGA18461.jpg

But I got the idea from the lessons of classical drawing atelier book in pic...
Shit bro..above photo will have to do.
I can’t remember exact source.

[GMI No.3655836]

>>3655453
Yeah I listen to a few podcasts and on of them is by two landscape painters, and they say most often, warm objects cast cool shadows and vice versa. Not sure if it’s an optical illusion, but worth an experiment.

[Anonymous No.3656045]

Du de if you want to cet somerhing ressembling full classical, go full Bargues.
You'll hate it, and it'll be the hardest thing you'll ever done, but it'll teach you a fuckload

[Anonymous No.3656088]

>>3653932
This. Made 2 threads about it and niggas still not listening. All you need is a pencil and white paper and grind like a motherfucker, until you trained your brain how to draw proportions correctly, no fancy tools or books or dvds will give you this experience.

[GMI No.3656380]

>>3656045
Great advice bro.
My plan is to sight size copy this Prud’hon first, then do 2 or 3 Bargue plates then go back and draw the Prud’hon and look at the progress.
Then I might do a few plates in charcoal and then the Prud’hon in charcoal. Not sure yet.
I’ve got a couple of plaster casts picked out and will do them this fall/ winter also.

[Anonymous No.3656385]

>>3653924
>Going to Make it Ladies and Gentlemen.
nobody who visits this board regularly is gmi beyond porn commissions.

[Anonymous No.3656386]

Best forum :


minurl.ru/yG2nK

[Anonymous No.3656390]

>>3656386
Jesus christ that's the most uncanny valley image I have ever seen apart from that japanese robot girl

[GMI No.3656398]

>>3656088
Although there is some merit to your advice, I think your approach might be more fitting to end results favoring anime and comics and the like.
I am more interested in Classical drawing principles and the works they produce.

[GMI No.3656399]

>>3656386
Please do not post this crap in my thread.

[Anonymous No.3656407]

>>3656386
what the fuck is this.

[GMI No.3656462]

Thanks mods or poster who reported that post:)

[Anonymous No.3658269]

I got a decent start.
Measuring is hard so far.
Might pay a little dough for the item course and if it makes it easier pay more down the road.

[GMI No.3658270]

Oops, wrong pic.

[Anonymous No.3658279]

>>3658270
I think you're getting too invested with the contour when you've got some proportion issues to work out first.

Try starting with an envelope around the figure, then find major rhythms (lines that run through the entire body), then establish the big shapes.

You'll find if you do these steps correctly you'll end up with a good copy with out trying to guess at the right line in one go.

[GMI No.3658298]

>>3658279
I did do the envelope and lines and angles but then I erased them to make it clean to get ready for other lines and eventually the values.
I did definitely try contour drawing the face though, which I why it’s erased as you can see.
Didn’t realize why the head/ face went bad till you just said what you said.
Thanks bro.

[Anonymous No.3658340]

>>3658269
>Measuring is hard so far.
At this stage you should focus on that more than you do on getting every little nuance of muscle and bone in there - which you have already overstated and every curve looks like a sausage as a result. The lack of anatomical awareness is apparent. There are more straight lines and subtle curves than you think.

Slow down, identify the main points of the body. Go vertical first, top of the head, bottom of the feet, pelvis, acromion process. Get the angles right. Then try horizontal measurements and repeat the process. Don't draw any curve at first, just straight lines with as few subdivisions as possible.

Measuring never gets easier, it just gets more precise and detail-oriented over time.

Do some of the Bargue plates at the beginning of the book to get a better grasp of measuring without being overburdened by something like a Prud'hon. Stay away from all the other plates, they won't do you any favors.

[GMI No.3658421]

>>3658340
Thanks for the advice.
I think I will put this drawing to the side and start a Bargue plate.
Eyes I guess.
Drawing is tough.
Receiving crit/advice is tough too.
Glad that the second will make the first improve!

[Anonymous No.3659605]

>>3658421
Post your progress on the plates.

[GMI No.3659772]

>>3658340
Hey man, as silly as it may sound I do not have access to enough phone data to watch videos and have never, until today, watched anyone draw anything.
I didn’t understand the function or the objective of an envelope or construction lines..And I also didn’t understand working from big shapes to little.
All the above just seemed to be an added on burden that I had to measure for instead of being the means to measure the subject with lines intersectiing the notional space box.
Obviously I got to get online and watch some stuff today. I downloaded many vids on Bargue plates and classical drawing and am watching one now.
Just watching someone has made it so much easier.
Granted, the 2 or so plates I do will be sight size, and then I’ll go on from there I think.
I kinda want to put myself thru a home type atelier training course and I was listening to Cesar Santos today on suggested donation and he talked about the things he had to do in a 4 years atelier training course.
I appreciate all the feedback and advice.
Oh yeah, you mentioned the acromion process and it drove me a little nuts, but it proved to me that I need anatomy knowledge so I looked it up and I can now kinda start seeing how that kinda knowledge will really help.
Thanks again.

[GMI No.3659776]

>>3659605
Only progress is I finally got some vids on how to proceed.
I will post as soon as I can.
I got home late and had to do stuff and am heading to bed.
Thanks for the motivation brother.

[Anonymous No.3659780]

Why are painters on this board all mentally ill?

[Anonymous No.3659784]

>>3658269
>The Old Masters are laughing at you
Just remember, Michaelangelo created David, sculpted out of marble when he was 26, and this is the best you can produce.

[GMI No.3659792]

>>3659784
Lol.
You cannot get me down dude.
But, by all means, keep trying.
It will become funnier.
And funnier.
And funnier.

[Anonymous No.3659954]

>>3654560
my friend, jokes aside please be wise.

I can see on the first picture that you are a person who is willing to spend any mount of money on good resources for his art. but that can only take you so far.

You have all the great books and materials, more than any of us can ever hope to have. now you need to sit down and apply yourself.

>Next month I’ll be ordering my plaster casts.
Dont do this. Money will not dig you out of this hole.


What are you even trying to do? are you trying to learn sight size drawing/ generally observational drawing?

or the kind that requires you to invent from your mind like immaginative realism?

[Anonymous No.3659955]

>>3659784
why though? Why bring down someone that is trying?

[Anonymous No.3660320]

Please please please grace us with an update worthy of discussion

[GMI No.3660323]

>>3659954
The original pic to this thread was to trigger people to react with “tools/books/vids don’t make skills” type of reaction.
When I actually got reasonable responses eventually, I decided to be more genuine in this thread.
My goals... learn classical drawing and painting techniques and skills from the very beginning as taught in a painting atelier.
End result... drawing and painting the figure from life, making beautiful drawings and paintings.
Even if it takes me 10 years to reach a place where I can make what I picture in my head , I am ok with that.
Bargue Plates.
Plaster casts.
Figure drawing from life.

I need to get to at least gain a level of compentancy so when I start attending a figure drawing session at the local art center I will not be wasting time figuring things out I could have figured out at home.
The masters of the past had teachers, I cannot afford teachers, other than books and videos, hence the books you see.
I think it’s not a smart path to just draw and paint and try to learn without any guidance.
There is a lot to learn and we have so much info at our fingertips, why not take advantage of it.
The Libyan Sibyl isn’t a result of grinding boxes or just drawing every day without being informed with timeless principles of the beauty found all throughout nature.
I am at the VERY beginning of learning drawing.
No previous experience past bullshit high school art class where the only thing I took from it was a little art history.....not even the important stuff about mans journey and progression of seeing.
I got into a “ I’m going to make paintings” mindset when I started acrylic pour painting, but during the process of setting up a studio in my living room I rediscovered my desire to paint in a representational manner.... which eventually showed me the need to learn how to draw.
So here I am at the beginning.
Thanks for the encouragement and the critique.

Oops, let me save you some time...

[Anonymous No.3660349]

>>3660323
You'll learn the most, through just raw deliberate practice. Not all this nonsense surrounding it.

[Anonymous No.3660726]

>>3660323
Have you inquired about the costs of your local ateliers? Is it priced out of your budget?

[Anonymous No.3660784]

>>3654547
everything around the model is completely unnecessary

[Anonymous No.3660866]

OP. can I jump on your thread a minute?

I've taught myself to paint, worked through landscapes, still lives, now onto figure/portraits.
Does every fecker copy their source onto a canvas, because getting measurements correct for the human body takes 50% of the time for each painting??!

[GMI No.3661010]

First, the pic in my last post was a reaction to MY own wall of text.
It was kinda ridiculous. Funny pic though.

>>3660349
I get that. Really.
Look at my pic above.
The measurements are off and as a result the proportions, BECAUSE I CANNOT DRAW A FUCKING STRAIGHT ENOUGH LINE!
Very frustrating.
I switched to vine charcoal and it was a little easier to get a straight line so I’m gonna do the rest in vine, which, as I understand, was how the plates were intended (don’t know how they know that though, as I don’t have the book with the plates, just higher rez images of the plates).

>>3660726
The best my budget can provide right now, bar a lottery win (YES!!!!!) is life figure drawing sessions which I’m not even sure the city I live in has any place that offers such a thing anymore.

>>3660784
The only thing about that drawing that was necessary was it showing me how much I need to learn, but thanks for the critique for real.
This is the only place I interact with that has people willing to look at and talk about drawings in an informed way.

—————————————

So yeah, my drawing is inaccurate because my proportions are wrong because my measurements are off because I could not draw a straight line.

Thanks again for visiting this thread y’all.
Just avoid this thread if it pisses you off.
But I will be updating with my progress on the plates probably every night for as long as the thread stays on the board.
And I want to thank you guys again for the critiques and all.

[GMI No.3661013]

>>3660866
I think I know what your question is... check this pic out above... one way of doing it...I think it’s a transfer, actually I don’t know if it is or he just drew right onto the canvas.
I know people use different methods.
But it sounds like you are way ahead in experience than me.
I did see a drawing transfer to canvas “how to” on YouTube yesterday. I didn’t watch it but saw it in the sidebar.

[GMI No.3661021]

>>3660866
Oops, forget pic.
Cannot find.
Will update when I do.

[GMI No.3661025]

>>3660866
Found it.

[Anonymous No.3661052]

>>3661010
Bruh, you only drew one. Stop posting pics and continue drawing.

>my drawing is inaccurate because my proportions are wrong because my measurements are off because I could not draw a straight line

You're overthinking it. You can't have perfect proportions or lines from the get-go. This is something you train to do and will take time. For now, the point is just to exercise your ability to look at something and copy it, and to exercise your drawing dexterity. Just do the best you can and move on to the next drawing.

[Anonymous No.3661058]

>>3659792
I don't have to bring you down, you're doing that all by yourself. You're going to wake up tomorrow and add a few more strokes to a pencil drawing, then think to yourself, "That's all for today, I'm not going to fluster myself with any more creativity. I have the rest of my life to finish this one piece."

Not only that, but you're printing out large format copies just to practice out of, when the Old Masters only needed a sense of sight and measurement to take life and put it down on canvas.

All you're doing is copying, and even your copies are atrocious.

>>3659955
Because Dunning Krugers need to be put in their place, that's why.

[GMI No.3661080]

>>3661052
As I understand, the Angel academy in Florence and the Florence academy both focus on precise sight size drawings of Bargue plates in their first year, and the curriculum of first year students in one or the other named academies is 4 (FOUR) Bargue plates.

4 Bargue plates in one year.

I think they concentrate on precision.
And if you don’t like my drawing post progression, just send my thread into the archives. Simple:)

[GMI No.3661083]

>>3661058
You’re a really sad person.
I hope life gets better for you, because I know it can, I really do brother.

[Anonymous No.3661440]

>>3661080
Most ateliers focus on measuring because observation and using your eyes as best as you possibly can is a linchpin for all other fundamentals.

Spend as much time as you need to on these plates. Try to do one of them on tracing paper so you can put it on top of the original and compare yours.

Try to do one with the plates sideways or upside down, it'll help you identify errors in angles and whatnot that you're not aware of otherwise.

[Anonymous No.3661492]

>>3661440
Hey thanks man.
The tracing paper thing is a great idea which I will do.
At first I really did wonder why people did these, and what one could possibly gain from doing them.
I think your first sentence sums it up best.
Thanks for the encouragement.
I’ve got chub fingers and thumb so measuring is a biotch so next image I think I’m going to measure several times from both ends of the box where the line intersects and eye it several times before proceeding.

[Anonymous No.3661502]

>>3653924
doing good OP
not sure why you bother with /ic/
they hate on anyone who's actually giving it a good go.

[Anonymous No.3661560]

>>3661502
Hey thanks man.
Yeah I came here for the books and other odds and ends but I do like the feedback.
If you look up the thread I got a critique that used the word sausage describing body parts of an outline I did and it really pissed me off but it really made me think and realize what was needed.
It does seem there are some people here, probably lurking mostly, that stick their head up once in a while, that have real training and stuff.

[Anonymous No.3661562]

>>3653924
Keep going OP. I went to an atelier and spent a year on these things. If you work hard, you’ll be drawing better than 90 percent of shitters here within a year.

[Anonymous No.3661574]

>>3661562
what do you think about hte people trying to do this on their own?

[Anonymous No.3661594]

>>3661574
>>3661560

A handful of us here are current/former atelier students and the commentary, even if it's harsh at times is sincere. I'll agree with the other anon who mentioned that you'll progress relatively quickly if you stick to it.

After you're done with enough of these linear copies that you feel comfortable with measuring, do one of the easy tonal plates like the hand in profile view.

[GMI No.3662093]

>>3661594
Dude awesome.
I look forward to your critique.
Tonight was a wash time wise and I’m still trying to figure out what I like doing these plates with.
Vine is smooth but the line fattens too much to be precise for later measurements.
Willow let’s me do one line but I gotta sharpen between each mark:(
I ordered some Nitram last night and will give that a go...or just adjust something (pressure I assume).
So I gave up on next line drawing and finished the first drawing “value” stage.
Thanks again man.

[Anonymous No.3662667]

>>3662093
Pay attention to the nasal bone and make sure you get the placement of it right, yours is too low on the left one. The shadow under the nose and on the side of the nose forms a diamond. Do you see it? Make yours look similar to the original.

All in all great start anon. I don't think the book explains this very well from what I remember, but these simplified drawings aren't only for measuring practice. It's a construction system you can use for both drawing and for sculpting. The details are stripped down to bare minimum and only represent major planes of that feature. Later plates that have both the simplified drawing and the tonal rendering add anatomical hints, but retain most of the simplicity.

Keep going, you're doing well.

[Anonymous No.3662837]

>>3662667
I see what you’re saying.
I’ve got to figure out a better way to measure.
Actually I just gotta check and recheck.
Thanks again bro.
I may have marked the next drawing up too much be any good, so I will go to the one after on the plate.

[GMI No.3663260]

I cannot believe people pay to draw these things!:)
Wow, 4.5 hours and I shortcut about 3 things.
I got too tired and didn’t clean up stuff to make certain lines the exact right length as they flow into free space.
But I am actually getting a lot more confident in measuring and am starting to see myself learning enough to actually approach drawing from life with a little confidence.
That right there is a big personal payoff.
Obviously this is just a drop in the ocean but at least it’s a step in the right direction.
Before I just sucked.
Now I suck but have learned a couple of things.
Wooohaaa!
Tomorrow night gonna refine a little then do next phase then I think I’m going to move onto a different plate.
Something a little more fun/cast type.
Maybe a hand or arm or something.

[Anonymous No.3663268]

>>3663260

Good to see you do bargues but this is extremely sloppy work. My atelier instructor would have torn you a new asshole and told you to start over. You have to be WAY more strict with measurements, angles and line quality. Bargues are not for doodling, you are supposed to be very, very exact.

[Anonymous No.3663298]

>>3661083
No first year art student, THIS is sad >>3658269
and I can see the ghost lines. Looh at HOW LOW you attempted to draw that nose. And the lips, as well. And you think, that by printing out GIANT copies of reference material like this >>3661010 is going to rectify that sorry ass try at trying to draw a face at profile? >>3662093 copying isn't going to make you any better. This isn't impressive by any means, you're just an amateur who decided to make his own thread so that you could get pats on the back for your copying. This is the kind of garbage art students waste their time on because they can't see what they're drawing.

Your skills are weak. I hope your drawing gets better but let's face it, it will not. The next time you pick up something to draw with, doubt is going to set into your mind and completely block you from any further gains.

Drawing like the Old Masters is not going to make you one. You're only going to find out for yourself just how truly pathetic your skills truly are.

Do yourself a favor and go get a job instead of putting a giant burden on your parents who made the mistake of telling you that you have talent for art. And if they're the ones financially backing you, five years will go by with them fully regretting having given you false hope to something you're completely unqualified to do.

I'm not your brother but if I was, I'd kick that dunning kruger mentality out from you with extreme prejudice.

[GMI No.3663303]

>>3663268
Hey thanks for the critique.
I hope you read the accompanying text with the image.

[GMI No.3663316]

>>3663298
Dude you’re hilarious!
Do you even know how the Dunning–Kruger effect works?
I repeatedly post how little ability I possess and lament that fact in almost every post.
I unashamedly post my uninformed attempts at figure drawing asking for critiques and document my reaction and acceptance of the advice given.
Now you see my first attempts at learning the very first of the beginnings of the fundamentals that are aimed at teaching a rudimentary understanding of concepts that are the very beginning of the foundation of drawing.

I’m not sure where the disconnect is for you, but what you are attributing to me is the exact extreme opposite of what is being documented in this thread.

But please go on.
It’s kinda breaking up the monotony.

[Anonymous No.3663329]

>>3663316
So instead of quitting and giving up, you dunning kruger your way through by thinking to yourself, "Hm, if I say I'm wrong and I give credit where they give me it, that doesn't make me a dunning kruger, right?"

You're the very example of how that works. You can't see past your own nose, printed out on large format paper no doubt, to see that everything you're doing will amount to nothing at the end, which I imagine is going to be VERY close for you. You're going to wake up tomorrow, pull up to your NEET easel and say, "Time to waste 5 more hours on trying to draw a nose and tomorrow, I'll waste six more on trying to draw from eyesight with props my mommy and daddy paid for! With them paying the way, I can't lose!"

But we know you will. You can't be more than 22 years old, still living at home with parents who STILL regret telling you you have talent, and that at your age, even the best of the Old Masters HAD to start somewhere, right?

That makes up, what, two years wasted since you first got that 'drawing bug' in your system? It will be even more sad to see you write about how at 27 years old, you're 'going to make it'.

Sure you accept critique and are pretending to be humble about it. That doesn't mask the fact that your dunning kruger is showing.

[Anonymous No.3663330]

You seem really angry over something that has literally nothing to do with you or your life, take a breath and re-evaluate whether this fit was worth the effort it took to write.

[Anonymous No.3663333]

>>3663303

Keep going, Bargues are really rewarding if you stick to it and give it your best.

[Anonymous No.3663338]

>>3663330
Was yours?

[Anonymous No.3663343]

>>3663338
Nah, I just don't like people knocking others down when they're trying to learn.

[Anonymous No.3663348]

>>3663329
I know you’re projecting so please tell us your sad story about why you regret getting into art

[Anonymous No.3663366]

this is my art library. the two books on the right are A4 sketchbooks I think they are 50 sheets + i keep a binder with mostly structure/anatomical notes and other notes from watching lectures, composition notes etc.

btw. how is the book master class in figure drawing by hale? >>3653924
i heard its not actually written by him, but by a transcriber during his lectures or something and so its a little flawed.

[Anonymous No.3663436]

>>3653924
Do the sadlawn, OP!

[GMI No.3663754]

>>3663366
The Hale book is super in depth as you would expect from lecture notes I guess.
I got it pretty cheap, used, from a goodwill thru Amazon. I really haven’t had the chance to use it as I am just beginning to learn to draw and am doing simple stuff as you can see.
I started this thread out as a way to document my progress ,visually, from the first piece of paper drawn on, and then thru the various exercises prescribed in the Lessons in Classical Drawing: Essential Techniques from Inside the Atelier [Juliette Aristides] book I bought.
My brain wasn’t comprehending the reasons for the excercises so I went to the Bargue plates and it clicked.

How is the Art Spirit by Henri?
I really like his other book the way he writes and how he cheers you on.
Good luck man and keep going
Please feel free to post some of your stuff, even notes or drawings or anatomy diagrams or whatever you made that helped you to understand stuff.
That would be cool.
I cannot, right now, attend an atelier, so this place is the only “school I got” so if you got something to contribute that would help anyone now or in the future then I think it would be a little redemption for the internet as a whole:)

[GMI No.3663767]

>>3663333
Will do.
I am going to clean up my last drawing posted and hopefully DrillSargent Atelier:) from >>3663268 will pop in and give me another review.
4.5 hours working on last nights section wore me out after working all day and I just eyeballed a few lines and didn’t correct the lengths of many of the other lines, but I didn’t want to wait because I wanted to post something for thread.
Thanks for the encouragement and let me know what you think about the number of plates I should do.
I heard people saying 2 then that should be enough.
I know they do at least 4 at one of the ateliers in Florence, Italy but I don’t know which ones. I need to go see if I can find out.
Tonight I will clean up the last one done, do the second phase, and then see where I wanna go from here.
And specific thoughts would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.3663835]

>>3663260
Anon from the previous critique here again. This one is decent but can be improved. Angle of the whole thing is off, nose is too small. I could be wrong about this because I'm viewing it on a small phone screen but you seem to make the noses too wide as well. Double check these things.

Eye placement in this one is better. Your previous one (one on the left) was too close to the glabella and nasal bone.

People pay for this because it's more efficient with an instructor and the instructor can point out very subtle things you wouldn't pick up on. Don't dismiss it as something easy - it'll catch you off guard.

Don't mind the hater anon, the mods should purge the posts.

[GMI No.3663864]

>>3663835
Thanks brother. I really mean it.
I noticed when I was putting in the plumb line that my whole box was slightly skewed but I proceeded anyway:(
As far as the paying comment I was being humorous because at the end of the night my back was aching and I was super tired and felt beat up:)
My weekend starts on Sunday so I think I’ll do one more BUT this time, even if I have to spend an hour on one freaking line, I’ll measure and remeasure until it is flawless.
Question...how do you account for the discrepancies in measuring due to the quality of the lines on the plates?
In other words, the copies of the plates are copies of copies of lithographs and the sharpness of the lines have “deteriorated somewhat... the thicknesses vary and there are inconsistencies that lend to a little uncertainty when I attempt to copy and measure...
Should I treat each line as a theoretical line, point A to point B one dimensional thing or should I treat each line as a 2 dimensional thing...length and width?
Honestly I don’t know if I have the gumption to do the latter.
Maybe compromise and split the difference case by case.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks again.

[Anonymous No.3663869]

>>3653924
>Ladies
Those don't come here. We only have fat roastie social rejects.
>Gentlemen
Same thing.

And no you are NOT GOING TO MAKE IT!!!!

[Anonymous No.3663955]

>>3663864
Match the line thickness and the trailing. Go for a general value of the line. Observe if it stops abruptly or if it trails off. Always draw with sweeps, or "follow through", but if a line ends abruptly then erase it to a clear trim.

Use your elbow and shoulder more than your wrist with an overhand grip of the pencil. You'll be able to make longer sweeps that way. This is a good habit in general, it takes practice but once you do it such that it becomes second nature, you won't want to go back.

[Anonymous No.3663965]

>>3663864
Use the width and height approach to start with, as it will help you get the angles.

[Anonymous No.3664038]

>>3663955
Exactly what I was looking for. Have a good one brother.

[Anonymous No.3664276]

>>3653924
sortabased, but not yet redpilled

[GMI No.3664525]

No real need to critique.
Looks like shit because I didn’t take my time doing the last part because anon was right about line quality.
This weekend I’m going to do a bigger one and well, actually spend as long as it takes... going extremely light and measuring until my arms give out.
I hesitated to post but that would not be in the spirit of this thread’s intention.
Tonight I just didn’t give a &|€€]> because I knew the paper was ruined and there was really no hope to make anything presentable, besides the things that were off in the first place.
Goodnight.

[GMI No.3664526]

Bonus.