drawing on an ipad

[Anonymous No.3642443]

So i've been thinking about investing on an ipad and apple pencil, they're pretty expensive so i'll probably end up buying an ipad Pro 9.7 2018 model

so for anybody that uses it, how does it feel to draw on them? I see lot's of professionals use them to sketch and make fully fledged art on it, is it really that good?

also how does procreate run? how does clip studio paint run? are the drawing experiences smooth on them?

either way i've been using a wacom intuos pen & touch for 4 years, so it can't be any worse than this right?

[Anonymous No.3642695]

>>3642443
It's good. Procreate is smooth but feels like it was designed for a tablet. Nothing gonna really blow you away.
Clip studio is identical to the pc version but costs money per month to use.
The pencil is heavier than any wacom pen but has no buttons and no eraser.
I use my iPad more than my huion kamvas.

[Anonymous No.3642697]

Hold buying it, the new generation should arrive in the next few weeks.

An used ipad is a good investment. Although I don’t know how low the used pro 9.7 go compared to the newest ipad with apple pencil support

[Anonymous No.3642773]

>>3642697
will it be $350? if not i doesn't matter since i most likely won't be able to afford it plus another $150 for the apple pencil and case/screen protector
either way i probably plan to buy it mid-late november, that should give me enough time to gather up more info on it

[Anonymous No.3642780]

>>3642695
thanks, i don't expect it to be a super powerful fully fledged machine but if it comfortably lets me sketch and draw a couple things then i'd say it's worth it

hearing that CSP being identical to the pc version gets me really excited because i love the program

[Anonymous No.3642797]

>>3642443
I love it. Procreate and an iPad 10.5 have done wonders. This is after years of being a professional oil painter and outright refusing digital art.

[Anonymous No.3642799]

>>3642697
I’m hoping it won’t be a big deal because some applecuck already convinced me to buy a pro a couple of months ago, even told me the next gen wouldn’t be out until 2019-20. Now he wants me to sell the one I have, buy the new one that’s coming out and also buy some airpads or some shit

[Anonymous No.3642834]

>>3642780
The pencil is super comfy. Almost like drawing on paper. More so if you get a.screen protector with paperlike grit

[Anonymous No.3643039]

>>3642834
wouldn't that wear down he nib, if the pen even uses one?

[Anonymous No.3643121]

>>3642443
Guys, Im looking into a more portable screen tablet for christmas. Is the latest samsung tablet any good for drawing?

[Anonymous No.3643122]

>>3643121
Its not if the samsung tablet is bad or good it's that drawing programs on android are terrible

think of samsung tablets as entertainment devices that you can draw on rather than a drawing device first

[Anonymous No.3643145]

>>3643122
Reeee I dont want to buy Apple stuff, ree

[Anonymous No.3643357]

The pencil is good, the screen is good, the software isn't up to the level a desktop is at. I use procreate, as far as tablet apps go it's excellent but it's still a tablet app. I haven't tried the CSP app because they charge an excessive subscription fee, but I suspect if it's identical to the desktop you'll have screen real estate problems with the UI.

Generally I do sketches on my ipad and then put them on my desktop to finish them. You CAN make finished pieces but IMO it's more trouble than it's worth.

[Anonymous No.3643360]

>>3643039

They're not cheap ($25 for 4 on the apple website) but they're replacable. Even if you wear it down, it'll take a while, and I think it's worth the occasional nib tax for the texture.

[Anonymous No.3643367]

>>3643121
I like mine, but it's not the latest. I got the Galaxy Tab A.

>>3643122
>that drawing programs on android are terrible
Disagree, Artflow and Infinite Painter are excellent.

[Anonymous No.3643475]

>>3643357
You get a 6month free trail in CSP for ipad btw, after that its 20 a year for the pro version

[Anonymous No.3643485]

>>3643122
apple is hot garbage, but the combination ipad + apple pencil is the best thing youre going to get that isnt a cintiq

[Anonymous No.3643489]

>>3643485
How good are ipad screens with color?

[Anonymous No.3643490]

>>3642443
CAREFUL
While the ipad pro is absolutely brilliant to work with, the ipad 9.7 SUCKS ASS. The digitizer is much worse on the 9.7 ipad compared to the ipad pro. If you turn of stabilizers on the ipad pro you get still smooth, crisp lines. On the 9.7 turning off stabilizer results in horrible squiggly lines. I heavily recommend saving up to buy a used ipad pro instead.

[Anonymous No.3643500]

>>3642773
>will it be $350?

None of the fucking ipad PRO models are that cheap.
The newish non-pro model supports the pencil but it is not an ipad pro, and the pro line is being updated probably by the end of this month.
Get your shit straight.

[Anonymous No.3643826]

>>3643360
It's also worth mentioning the iPencil comes with a spare. That said I think the screen is fine for drawing on as is. First impressions of digital drawing are never good but doesn't take long to get used to.

>>3643490
I'm really not sure where you see the problem. As little as 5% streamling in Procreate gets perfectly fine lines, and some will even prefer more. Why is being able to turn off very natural feeling stabilizers just for the sake of it worth $300 (or more)?

The iPad is second only to the iPad Pro. Saying it "sucks ass" is an ABSURD exaggeration. It is 2nd only to the best portable digital drawing experience in the world right now. I'd say that's still pretty damn good.

[Anonymous No.3643847]

>>3643826
Jumping in and not sure if I'm following the thread right...since the regular iPads now support the Pencil, are they reasonable as a more budget alternative to the Pros?

[Anonymous No.3643855]

>>3643847
>are they reasonable as a more budget alternative to the Pros?
Yes. For drawing, all of the differences between the new iPad (2018/6th gen) and the iPad Pro are marginal.The Pro has some nice bells and whistles, but they just don't affect drawing.

You'll probably want to do your own research so I'll answer questions you may have ahead of time: no, the non-laminated display doesn't matter, no the 60hz refresh rate doesn't matter, yes, procreate is lag free on the iPad. Seriously, don't let little niggles like that make you think you need something $300 more. They are great to draw on!

[Anonymous No.3643916]

What does /ic/ think of photoshop coming to the iPad next year?

[Anonymous No.3643934]

>>3643847
Depends on your current experience with tablets and your expectations. Many people can't feel a difference between the low latency, low parallax and low initial activation force found in Wacom's tablets vs random Asian versions.
Personally I can't bear to use anything other than high quality shit since I want the most natural feeling possible, but your mileage may vary.
If it's your first tablet it'll probably be a fine enough starting point.

[Anonymous No.3644122]

>>3643916
Photoshop is bloatware garbage even on pc.
Spoiler alert: the app will be garbage too.

Also, to people complaining about desktop software and CSP being sub-based: ARTSTUDIO PRO
It's literally a desktop program, runs perfectly, isn't bloated, and has all the features you'd want out of photoshop.
It's also fully compatible with .abr and .tpl brushes, so you can just use whatever memebrushes you use in photoshop.

>>3643855
>120hz doesn't matter
Yeah, if you don't draw or like not being blind.
Also, the regular ipad doesn't have the cpu power or the ram to be used for any serious drawing. 2017 ipad pro is already pushing it with 4gb of ram, the regular ipad has 2gb.
There is absolutely no running CSP in any usable manner on a regular ipad, and even procreate will be gimped for layers.

[Anonymous No.3644151]

>>3644122
>Yeah, if you don't draw or like not being blind.
The average non-tablet monitor is only 60hz. People have been drawing on 60hz for decades. Cintiqs are 60hz. Yes 120hz is better, but again, it's a marginal difference. The difference between 60 and 120 is not equal to 30 and 60.

>Also, the regular ipad doesn't have the cpu power or the ram to be used for any """serious drawing""" [whatever that means]. 2017 ipad pro is already pushing it with 4gb of ram, the regular ipad has 2gb.
That makes no odds when Procreate is lag free. You can't do better than lag free. Anything else is just overhead.

>There is absolutely no running CSP in any usable manner on a regular ipad
Granted, but the pro experience isn't much better. The app wasn't made for tablets, and even on a 12 inch display it's cramped. Also the majority of artists that I've seen mainly work with an iPad Pro still mainly work in Procreate.

>and even procreate will be gimped for layers.
It's true that procreate has layer limitations but the workarounds to them are simple: merging and iterative saving. Even pros that work in photoshop, where layers are unlimited, tend to merge down every now and again so working in Procreate isn't all that different. I have never needed more than a few dozen layers on one iteration, personally.

If by """serious drawing""" you mean really high resolution stuff that needs its layers preserved for any sudden changes in the "production pipeline", sure, but in which case an iPad isn't the tool for the job. It's close, but it's not all the way there and CSP isn't the end-all-be-all cure to the problem either.

Please spare a moment's thought that your use case is more of an edge case and not really comparable to what most on /ic/ have to worry about.

[Anonymous No.3644161]

so... is the 6th gen 2018 9.7 ipad good or not?

from these random youtube reviews the device is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaRKrlnYrG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpq6Ib1IVdA&t=1s

but here the response is so mixed, what is the truth?

[Anonymous No.3644171]

>>3644161
>but here the response is so mixed
Dunno anon, who's reasoning do you agree with? Who makes the more valid points to appeal to your logic? Is there really a 3rd party that can break this tie without a 4th tying it again? Use your own judgement, or go to a bestbuy or something and try one out before buying.

Frankly >>3643490 and >>3643934 seem a bit spoiled. They absolutely MUST have the best or it's just not good enough (when was the last time you heard a working pro speak like that?)

And >>3644122 writes like a massive tryhard faggot.

These are the detractors, are they worth listening to? Are they worth spending $300 more?

[Anonymous No.3644173]

>>3644171
>Frankly >>3643490 and >>3643934 seem a bit spoiled. They absolutely MUST have the best or it's just not good enough (when was the last time you heard a working pro speak like that?)
I work 16 hours or more on various tablets because it's my damn job, I'm not gonna fuck around with second rate gear.

[Anonymous No.3644176]

>>3644173
16 hour a day job? Okay, sure.
^ (doubt)
Thanks for taking time off from your sleep schedule to be on /ic/, I guess.

So could you not do your job if iPad pros didn't exist? And is it really worth bringing that into a thread? Is it relevant to other /ic/ users? Maybe not.

[Anonymous No.3644179]

>>3644173
>I work 16 hours or more on various tablets
If it's 16 hours a day, wow, didn't know that was legal

If it's only 16 hours a week that's fucking nothing. I draw more than that just fine on my regular iPad

[Anonymous No.3644303]

Question- I bought an iPad Pro and love it but haven't yet bought a screen protector yet. Are they necessary? I've been using it for over three months and haven't noticed any damage/scratching yet.

[Anonymous No.3644417]

>>3644303
you pretty much answered your own question

it'll get scratches eventually but as long as you're careful you could probably go with no screen protector with very minimal damage

it's not necessary, but it's nice peace of mind/insurance

[Anonymous No.3644490]

>>3644151
>People have been drawing on 60hz for decades
People have been doing lots of stupid shit because they were limited in their means, but the fact is that if you're staring at a screen for upwards of 10 hours a day, 120hz does matter. A lot. I got so used to the ipad screen, my 60hz monitor actually hurts my eyes now.

>That makes no odds when Procreate is lag free. You can't do better than lag free. Anything else is just overhead.
It matters for high res files and complex brushes. Procreate is completely smooth whatever you're doing (on 2017 pro), but more complex apps like artstudio or painstorm can chug if you use a big or complex brush.

>The app wasn't made for tablets
It's not that it wasn't made for tablets. The reason I switched to csp from photoshop was that it worked so much better on windows tablets, interface-wise. It's just that there have since been much better designed tablet apps.
>and even on a 12 inch display it's cramped
Eh, I used it for years on an 8 inch tablet, but I agree.

>It's true that procreate has layer limitations but the workarounds to them are simple: merging and iterative saving.
Right, but at 10000x6000 for example, I get 4 layers. 2gb would get you what, 2? If that?
It's one thing to have a couple of layers to work things out on before merging, and another to have half those layers.

>"""serious drawing"""
I agree to an extent, in that it's not suited for a typical concept art or whatever muh eenduhstree workload, I meant more in line of high resolution illustration and especially painting. I just can't imagine cutting the ram in half.

>your use case is more of an edge case and not really comparable to what most on /ic/ have to worry about
I mean, "most of /ic/" would be fine with a pencil and a box of crayons. OP said he used an intuos for 4 years, I'm assuming he wants something he can paint on without having to buy a new one in a year because he might want to print something

[Anonymous No.3644813]

>>3643855
>>3643934
Thanks, anons. I definitely do NOT need this for anything professional, I am just learning to draw atm for personal interest. I already have a first-gen iPad Air that I got years ago for school, and I have dicked around on it in Procreate, nothing much. I found it was too difficult to try to learn to draw AND try to figure out how digital worked at the same time, so I went pen-and-paper for the time being. My iPad is getting really dated at this point though, and the battery runs down fast, so I was maybe looking to upgrade in the next year or so and thought maybe a jump into digital would be a consideration as to the model I get. I didn't want to skimp if a Pro would be THAT much better, but if a regular iPad is fine for a hobbyist, I will go with that and save myself the bucks.

[Anonymous No.3644934]

>>3644813
Don't buy an ipad if you can't draw, you fucking retard.
Buying something like an intuos is one thing, since it's just a peripheral that hasn't improved in nearly a decade, and will remain just as usable years from now, buying a rapidly deprecating tool for a task you are incapable of performing is moronic.
Buy pencils and paper.

[Anonymous No.3644939]

>>3642443
>they're pretty expensive so i'll probably end up buying an ipad Pro 9.7 2018 model
You mean the normal 2018? The pro is more expensive than the normal 2018 that still supports the pencil

[Anonymous No.3644945]

>>3643489
iPad screens are definitely good with color and part of the reason it costs so much. 2018 isn't quite as nice and costs less
Also IDK if anyone has posted it yet but Amazon has a sale going on today for used 2018s for under 300

https://www.amazon.com/apb/page/ref=gbps_img_s-5_96dd_f16bf9e3?handlerName=OctopusDealLandingStream&deals=f16bf9e3&marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&smid=A37VHTD60S0G3C&pf_rd_p=14bfbc74-d7e3-4fb1-8a72-53a5a41796dd&pf_rd_s=slot-5&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_i=gb_main&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=H7SW6D2693GEQHVVSM4W&tag=kinjadeals-20&ascsubtag=c3f566d16bcc2b1d902418dd2e94324034b116b4

[Anonymous No.3644953]

>>3644122
I have the 2017 pro 9.7 inch. It has 2gb of ram and runs Procreate beautifully with no lag. Yes you don't get as many layers but you still get like 60+, it's not a huge deal.

[Anonymous No.3644963]

>>3644934
>Buying a specific tool that is almost only useful for drawing and other artistic purposes makes more sense than buying a tablet with multiple uses that you can also draw on
Hey you don't get a YouTube machine at the end of the day if you quit art with the intuos

[Anonymous No.3644977]

>>3644963
>Buy pencils and paper.

[Anonymous No.3644988]

>>3644963
You can't origami an ipad after you draw on it.
Checkmate, atheist.

[Anonymous No.3644990]

>>3644953
>Yes you don't get as many layers
>you still get like 60+
bitch wtf, i thought people bitching about not many layers were talking about something like nothing more than 10+
anything above 25 layers is overkill imo, like who tf needs that many layers?

[Anonymous No.3644996]

>>3644945
fuckk, i'd snag one up if i had the money right now, i won't have the money for one till next month
fuck will amazon have more sales on ipads next year? or is this a one time thing?

also"refurbished" what exactly does that mean? is it basically "new" or is it just a name they slap on old used shit to sell?

[Anonymous No.3644997]

>>3644996
>will amazon have more sales on ipads next year?
oops, meant to type "this year"

[Anonymous No.3645000]

>>3644953
There's no 9.7 2017 pro model.
9.7 released in 2016 with 2gb.
The 10.5 released in 2017 and has 4gb because 2gb isn't enough.

>>3644990
It depends on the resolution. The higher the resolution, the more layers you get.
Have you never done a large, complex painting?

[Anonymous No.3645001]

>>3645000
>The higher the resolution, the LESS layers you get.
fuck me, I'm going to bed

[Anonymous No.3645003]

>>3644996
I bought an official Apple refurbished and it appears to be basically new. When you start getting into other seller's definitions of refurbished I'd be more skeptical.

[Anonymous No.3645011]

>>3645000
>It depends on the resolution. The higher the resolution, the more layers you get.
>Have you never done a large, complex painting?
i draw on 1000x1000 or 1500x1500, rarely do i ever need anything larger

and no i draw animu (yes haha what a faggot)

[Anonymous No.3645043]

>>3645000
Okay I got the year wrong since I don't keep track of Apple stuff but my point still stands that 2gb was good enough, done some small commissions and everything and I still use it as my main art machine.

[Anonymous No.3645048]

>>3644977
>>3644988
Kek those aren't a big investment and pencils and paper have multiple uses. Writing homework or stories if you like trad, printer sheets for printers etc. An intuos is only good for art, maybe 3d (wouldn't know) and playing OSU!.

[Anonymous No.3645083]

>>3645011
>i draw on 1000x1000 or 1500x1500, rarely do i ever need anything larger
>and no i draw animu (yes haha what a faggot)
wow, a random retard scribbling animu girls for free doesn't have standards for his tools and medium, color me surprised - oh wait, you probably can't

[Anonymous No.3645121]

>>3645083
sorry???

anyways how is the 2018 6th gen ipad with pencil support? I really want something specifically for sketching and to use while in bed or on the couch, does the 9.7 6th gen ipad sound suitable for my needs?
pic related to an average sketch

[Anonymous No.3645132]

>>3645121
Why does she have cum in her hair?

[Anonymous No.3645159]

[Anonymous No.3645761]

>>3644934
I would be upgrading a machine I already own and use daily, and I started on paper.

Read the entire post, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.3645773]

>>3642695
>CSP costs money per month to use.
triggered