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3636115 No.3636115 [Reply] [Original]

Modern and post modern art is garbage for either a lack of meaning or for a focus on degeneracy.


Prove me wrong faggots.

>> No.3636126
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Might as well dump some "good" art.

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>>3636129

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>>3636137

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>> No.3636165
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>> No.3636174

Anything less Thomas Kinkaide meets Prescious Moments?

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>>3636173

>> No.3636179

>>3636174
Yea often liked Kinkaide but it's nice sometimes to take a step back and look at more serious paintings that are less "magical" if you know what I mean.

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>> No.3636188
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>> No.3636193
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>>3636192

>> No.3636194

>>3636179
Yeah, all of this is either heavy-handed propaganda or really trite folklore used as an excuse to draw some tits.

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>>3636193

>> No.3636199

>>3636194
Dude... No offence but do all the artists on /ic/ really draw naked women to jerk off to?

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>> No.3636212

>>3636115
Umm... you do realize "degenerate art" is a nazi term, right? Like, actual, literal nazis?
Gods, first the pedo shit and now this.

>> No.3636217

>>3636199
We put our jerk off fantasies to the canvas for fun and profit. Or sublimate desire into art or something. It's all immortalizing the female ideal.

>> No.3636224

>>3636199
I actively avoid it now but I started a blog 2 months ago with fanart waifu posts and the first one is still my most 'liked' to this day. I guess the gratification is hard to resist, maybe?

>> No.3636228 [DELETED] 

>>3636212
>BecUsE a BuD PreSoN usED SumtHInG iT Is bUD.

Your logic.

Besides the term was used previously they simply popularised it.

But lets face it Hitler wasn't Satan it's been what 80 fucken hears since the "shoah" my fucking goodness get over it.

>> No.3636230

>>3636217
No your immortalising the slut idea you should be immortalising the virgin idea. Or something natural for a woman.

>> No.3636231

>>3636224
Dude why would you do that I know everyone wants attention but dude.

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>>3636231
>I guess the gratification is hard to resist, maybe?

>> No.3636247

>>3636237
Yea but even then dude it's a little low don't you feel pathetic drawing those gay japanes cartoons.

>> No.3636250

As usual no on one can explain why modern/post modern art is garbage.

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>>3636257

>> No.3636260

>>3636250
I meant to say no one can defend modern/post modern art cause it's garbage.

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>>3636258

>> No.3636265

>>3636250
>>3636260
we get it dude, you love hitler. no one's going to disagree about modern art being garbage because it mostly is. most of the paintings you posted are good. so what? are you gonna make some badass paintings like the ones you posted or are you just gonna complain about black people or whatever?

>> No.3636275

>>3636265
Well I really just felt like having a good debate since last time I posted this it seemed like the whole board was raging guess I just gotta wait for the Amerifarts to get on.

At least you can see the true nature of modern art. This thread is for a good discussion to make me question my beliefs about modern art perhaps I might be wrong and the provocative nature of the thread encourages reply's.

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>>3636275
i'd say the main good thing to come from "modern art" (since that is such a broad and vague term) would be animation. do you really think animated media as a whole is bad?

>> No.3636298

>>3636288
>do you really think animated media as a whole is bad

Of coarse not just as modern art is not bad on a whole but it depends on what you mean by animation.

>> No.3636306

Feel free to stay stuck in the past, Nazi grandpa. Just fuck off an leave us to continue onwards exploring what art can be.

>> No.3636307

Realism has lost its old value with the advent of the camera, with the exception of hyper-realism.

I agree if by "modern art" you mean art-gallery period blood performance art, but I like how stylization of the human form has diversified i.e. comics, cartoons, and animation. Stylization of, and even made up vehicles, animals, inventions, etc even worlds has gotten very interesting too.

>> No.3636317
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The past 50 years have seen economic improvement the likes of which are a human miracle. Countries are getting richer than ever and as a result there are more artists than we know what to do with. With all these artists, most of them are going to be trash. I believe contemporary art currently follows Sturgeon's Law, ~90% of everything is crap. In time it will be the greats who are remembered and the mediocre will be forgotten. Just like how you remember the great painters of the past but you won't remember the unexceptional and bad. History is looked back on with rose-tinted glasses, because time separates the wheat from the chaff.

>> No.3636320
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>>3636275
It's a problem of context. Most of these are just pretty pictures if you aren't drinking the koolaid and barely address life, much less life in the context of the era they were made. The Pre-Raphaelites were pic related, thanks to a mostly bloodless revolution. Liljefors is distinctly Modernist, also unbelievably anodyne and doing nothing particularly impressive with the medium.

I don't think you know what you're talking about, unless fairytales and pictures of cats have some deeper meaning I'm not aware of.

>> No.3636323

>>3636306
>ust fuck off an leave us to continue onwards exploring what art can be.

drawing erotic fan art for jerking off to in our gay jap style cartoon

>> No.3636332

>>3636323
you realize there's art in between what's posted in this thread and all the cringy porn shit posted on /ic/, right? not everything is so black and white

>> No.3636336

>>3636323
Get out more grandpa, the internet has rotted your brain. Like the other anon said, there is way more than your precious romantic, Renaissance painting and degenerate /ic/ pedoshit.

>> No.3636343

>>3636307
>Realism has lost its old value with the advent of the camera

I don't think you understand what the purpose of realism is.
and what advantages it has over photography.


>>3636317
In the classical Greece there was nobody wishing top represent the body in a degenerate form and there was no body wanting to represent something and leave it looking like a bolder my point is it is only the modern era of art that has started this fixation of representing degeneracy or simply not representing anything at all. In university's students will get an n/a or a very low score for basing art in reality they make you do modern art to pass just search it up ask any classical sculpture and they will say the exact same thing. There is a direct and organised attack on Beauty.


>>3636320
>Most of these are just pretty pictures
You disappoint me anon yes I admit the animals I like simply because of the accuracy in representing the spirit of a animal and simply because yes they are nice to look at but I can tell you that simple images of cats express a lot more than splotches of paint.

>unless fairytales and pictures of cats have some deeper meaning I'm not aware of.

The setting is not the point it just so happens that I quite like the setting of my ancestors religions but something you do not realise is the setting is not the point it is what is portrayed in the setting such as a brother saying good bye to his brother forever expresses beauty by asserting our humanity and morality and also challenging both at the same time it rings the bell so familiar to humans yet almost forgotten. If this painting has no meaning to you than you are truly an imbecilic NPC.

Here is painting I was talking about.

>> No.3636344

>>3636343
The painting has no meaning because I didn't read the story.

>> No.3636345

>>3636307
>Realism has lost its old value with the advent of the camera

I don't think you understand what the purpose of realism is.
and what advantages it has over photography.


>>3636317
In the classical Greece there was nobody wishing top represent the body in a degenerate form and there was no body wanting to represent something and leave it looking like a bolder my point is it is only the modern era of art that has started this fixation of representing degeneracy or simply not representing anything at all. In university's students will get an n/a or a very low score for basing art in reality they make you do modern art to pass just search it up ask any classical sculpture and they will say the exact same thing. There is a direct and organised attack on Beauty.


>>3636320
>Most of these are just pretty pictures
You disappoint me anon yes I admit the animals I like simply because of the accuracy in representing the spirit of a animal and simply because yes they are nice to look at but I can tell you that simple images of cats express a lot more than splotches of paint.

>unless fairytales and pictures of cats have some deeper meaning I'm not aware of.

The setting is not the point it just so happens that I quite like the setting of my ancestors religions but something you do not realise is the setting is not the point it is what is portrayed in the setting such as a brother saying good bye to his brother forever expresses beauty by asserting our humanity and morality and also challenging both at the same time it rings the bell so familiar to humans yet almost forgotten. If this painting has no meaning to you than you are truly an imbecilic NPC.

Here is painting I was talking about >>3636167

>> No.3636347

>>3636332
I realise this but you must accept that modern and post modern art on average is either almost meaningless or degenerate just take a look at the most famous modern artists.

>> No.3636349

>>3636336
Look faggot I already explained this to this faggot>>3636332


so heres my answer>>3636347

>> No.3636351

>>3636347
>you must accept
No.

>> No.3636352

>>3636349
>I already explained this
>waahhh modern art a shit
That's not an explanation grandpa. Take your meds. Can you use more academic vocabulary? Aesthetics? Composition? Meaning? Etc. You can do it, gramps.

>> No.3636353

>>3636344
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


How autistic are you. Your telling me that you cannot understand any painting or understand what the artist was or what the painting is trying to convey because you don't know the "backstory" for fucks sake mate I thought you were the art fag here who puts meaning on a Jackson Pollock painting.

>> No.3636354

Anyone else wanna start a Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood type collective?

>> No.3636356

>>3636351
Alright then give me a very famous modern artist and I bet you it will be degenerate or almost meaningless.

>> No.3636364

>>3636212
Would you react this strongly to a term popularized by communists, considering communism has a much higher body count than national socialism?

kys you kneejerking faggot

>>3636275
Hey, I'm the guy who talked last time about transcendent beauty vs. subversion. The thread got archived before you got a chance to reply.

>>3636307
Strange, wouldn't most people say it's hyper-realism that is made obsolete by the affordability of high-quality cameras? Photo-realism is a fancy pony trick, but realism in general is still a critical element to a lot of good art.

>> No.3636367

>>3636352
>That's not an explanation grandpa

And this is
>Take your meds. Can you use more academic vocabulary? Aesthetics? Composition? Meaning? Etc. You can do it, gramps.


Look faggot so far I have given numerous arguments for and against and you just wanna sit here and look at pedo anime.

But pls give me a famous modern artist and I bet you he will be degenerate.

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>>3636345
>In the classical Greece there was nobody wishing top represent the body in a degenerate form

That's where you're wrong, bucko. Also Ancient Greece lasted 1000 years, Modernism lasted less than a 100 at best. You need to put things in perspective.

>> No.3636369

>>3636353
>Angry man ride goat, raise hammer
>Bright wing man step on dark wing man
>Naked woman stare at ocean
It's just a pretty picture without the context.

>> No.3636372

>>3636369
Also very homoerotic. Giordano had a type, probably his buttbuddy.

>> No.3636373

>>3636367
I'm not the one who started the argument. First support your argument on why modern art is shit, then you will be rebuked.
Have ever read an Art history gramps, or do you just want to do some lame grandstanding? It's not the 60s anymore.

>> No.3636375

>>3636368
I said Classical Greece faggot know your periods it only lasted 190 odd years.

>That's where you're wrong

You see I said the body this man still has a well proportioned body. Also sure you had a few faggots making pots on a whole this was not encouraged just as today we still have neoclassical painters but it is not the n>>3636369
orm and is heavily shamed in the art world of today.

>> No.3636377

>>3636368
I said Classical Greece faggot know your periods it only lasted 190 odd years.

>That's where you're wrong

You see I said the body this man still has a well proportioned body. Also sure you had a few faggots making pots on a whole this was not encouraged just as today we still have neoclassical painters but it is not the norm and is heavily shamed in the art world of today.


>>3636369
I tagged the wrong image wait a sec>>3636165

here is correct one.

>> No.3636378

>>3636368
Hey faggot see here

>neoclassical painters but it is not the n>>3636369
orm and is heavily shamed in the art world of today.

I accidentally tagged a post here >>3636375
ignore that

>> No.3636379

>>3636377
Yeah, it just looks like the cover to a gay viking romance novel.

>> No.3636381

>>3636379
Well I guess I should of expected such a base and vile person as yourself to ignore the Beauty and what the painting is saying and instead project your own gay fantasy's.

>> No.3636385

>>3636381
Not an argument, paintings don't say anything. Describe it without any outside context, I don't think you can. You're only posting shit you like because you already know what it's about.

>> No.3636389
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>>3636320
There’s a vast gulf of difference between beauty as understood by moderns and Beauty as understood by traditional societies. During the Renaissance art was slowly stripped away of its symbolism and allegory, and it was in Romanticism that they attempted to revivify the medieval ideal. There were some great artists in those days but eventually it all degenerated to meaningless kitsch. Modernism was a reaction to that, but they went too far and threw the baby (Beauty) out with the bathwater

>> No.3636393

>>3636385
>paintings don't say anything. Describe it without any outside context

how retarded are you? You are telling me you are so autistic you cannot see>>3636165 what is happening here, obviously he is departing his dying friend and simply from the expression of there faces adds to the meaning of the painting. If this were the case that the only meaning paintings or any artwork for that matter have without any verbal context is the meaning you give it is insane.

>> No.3636404

>>3636389
>There’s a vast gulf of difference between beauty as understood by moderns and Beauty as understood by traditional societies


My friend you seem like the only other sane person here but I would just like to say this Beauty is a set truth to a species it is the reason you do not find a 500 pound negro ball of fat with piercings attractive but want find a Young slender European girl so. These so called "artists" do not claim their artworks to be Beautiful they simply hate Beauty and it's relatives.

>> No.3636412

>>3636212
Everything the Nazis said about degenerate art was right then, and is still true now.

>> No.3636428

>>3636412
Couldn't of said it better myself.

I tried explaining this to that guy in the least obvious way that would represent me as a fascist because that's an instant no to NPC's but it still didn't work.

>> No.3636430

>>3636354
>>3636354
Yes

>> No.3636434

>>3636354
count me as well.

>> No.3636459
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Well well well looks like the degenerates couldn't handle our Superior art and left.

>> No.3636482

OOOOH IT'S THIS OLD THREAD, ALL OVER AGAIN !!!

WOOOOOW

>>/ic/thread/S3612172

this is what's gonna happen:
- OP is still obsessed with his "knights in shiny armor and damsel in distress" stories
- he refuses to learn what "modern art" actually is
- ends up shitting on contemporary art, because "it's not as detailed as my favorite shiny armor paintings!"
- some anons trying hard to instill some reason into this teenage mind
- all for nothin

yup, sorry, i'm outa here!

>> No.3636485
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I agree that most modern and contemporary art is worthless in every way other than monetary.

But a lot of the paintings in this threads are boooring.

>> No.3636492

>>3636485
Thanks and I have not posted most of my art works yet saving em for later. Also not every artwork I post is a masterpiece but they are still better than the average piece.

>> No.3636494

>>3636482
Listen up faggot I created this because last time everyone was a raging autistic that couldn't give proper answers to my points because I was right. Now I have come back because I have thought maybe not everyone on /ic. is a complete autist maybe they can actually teach me something.


Also faggot I am educating others so fuck of or be productive and stop being so offended because of "muh gay japanese cartoons"

>> No.3636533

>>3636494
>because I was right
piss the fuck off, you self-righteous shitstain.

>> No.3636534

>>3636494


WARNING
IT'S THIS OLD THREAD, ALL OVER AGAIN !!!

WOOOOOW

>>/ic/thread/S3612172

>> No.3637605
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>I made this when I was 23 years old. What have you ever done, pleb?

>> No.3637617

>>3636375
>I said Classical Greece
Classical Greece was an undemocratic slave state which tolerated homosexuality, especially among slaves.

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>>3636494
there's always some assclown troll that thinks being ignorant is a position of entitlement and argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNfVyomYlC8
no one cares that you're stupid. everyone is born stupid.

>> No.3637643

>>3636228
'its been less than a century since 11 million people were systematically murdered, please forget that it happened or the ideology that led to it' the state of /ic/

>> No.3637646

>>3636364
keep crying pussy

>> No.3637652

>>3636482
kek, /ic/ always boils down to the same 'anime vs realism' 'modern art is trash' photobashing is cheating' arguments that go nowhere

>> No.3637655

>>3636494
no one can teach you anything because you're a brainlet, fuck off

>> No.3637702 [DELETED] 

>>3637643
In America, lethal gassing was discontinued as a method of execution in the 90s because it is horribly unreliable and slow. But sure, go on believing that the Nazis had it down to a futuristic science in the 40s that we've never been able to recreate.

>> No.3637771

>>3637702
zyklon b is real futuristic science huh, holocaust deniers are so fucking dumb its absurd. you lost, nazis never have considerable power again, neck yourself

>> No.3637786

>>3636115
Post your work. I bet you don't even draw. Fuck off back to /pol/

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>> No.3638008 [DELETED] 

>>3637771
I like that you utterly ignored the first sentence of that post. Wowee, context is hard for you, huh?

Virtually all zyklon b used in the war has been accounted for by even mainstream Holocaust scholars in delousing, and the "lost" amount left over wasn't enough to kill that many people unless you pretend gas chambers are many times more effective than they actually are. The lie is put to that by the fact that lethal gassing several decades later wasn't that efficient.

But a-blu-blu Nahzees are stoopid!

>> No.3638909

>>3638008
keep crying

>> No.3638928
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artists are the worst
iconoclasm gang will win
the great simplification will commence and all drawing shit or not shit will be smashed

>> No.3639009

Modern and post-modern art movements were necessary steps in the development of contemporary anime, the highest art form yet conceived.

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this shitty thread again

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>>3636115
I really hate modern architecture, the only 3 types of modern architecture I'm alright with is art deco, nouveau, and some types of mid century modern such as the Parr's house from the incredibles, but that isn't what modernists build, they build minimalist or abstract garbage instead

>> No.3640395

>>3638928
inshallah brother

>> No.3640446

>>3636356
Michael Borremans

>> No.3640453
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>mfw /ic/ is so sheltered and sharply divided between degenerate porn and kitsch academicism that the mere sight of impressionism causes them to reeeeee or drop their tea kettles and readjust their fedoras

you niggas need gauguin

>> No.3640462
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I like almost all sorts of art, from the very old to the very modern. I do think that a lot modern artist \take advantage of the "art is subjective" mentality to often create stuff that lacks skill, creativity, ingenuity, etc.... To me the best definition of art has been by Delacroix who said that a painting is nothing more than a bridge from the viewer to the artist's soul. I think to dismiss all modern art as garbage specially for it's degeneracy when art has often being regarded as obscene and degenerate even from artists like Michelangelo(who was a homosexual no less) is to do a great disservice to yourself. I used to think that realism was the pinnacle of artistic quality and the more realistic the better, now when I see a lot of hyper-realistic artists I find them to be quite boring.

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>>3636115
>>3636126
>>3636129
>OP sperges about modern art being garbage and smugly strolls the the thread about his superior taste
>Posts some of the most unremarkable, boring paintings with nothing interesting whatsoever in regards to color, lighting, composition, rendering, etc... and are extremely illustrative

>> No.3640548

>>3636288
You can't animate without some kind of classical foundation. You need strong drawing skills. Which modern art 'training' has abandoned.

>> No.3640564

>>3636307
Training in Realism is a way to get skills you can't dream of getting through sticking menstrual pads on canvas and calling it art. Sorry for the strawman but to clarify: Training in realism trains certain core skills such as spatial perception, visual memory etc, all which you can apply to anything you want to express. Illustration for example, or animation, comics, whatever floats your boat. Modern art can't do that, if you enjoy three dots on paper then good for you. But most people on this board what the skills to express what they want, typically stories or cool shit. Realism is the way to learn those skills.

>> No.3640648

>>3636343
>In the classical Greece there was nobody wishing top represent the body in a degenerate form

Then you haven't studied Greek art, especially the Classic era. They had numerous erotic images in their art, especially their pottery - any trip to a museum that specializes in ancient Greek material will have work that would be easily classified as "degenerate" by your narrow minded world view.

But I don't think there's any point to discussing art of any era, since you seem intent on adhering to your misconceptions, to a belligerent extent.

>> No.3640870

>>3636533
look faggot I was banned from /ic/ for 3 days and now I'm back for the shit storm get the fuck ready although I will only be able to reply for 6 hours more and then after work I will return.

>> No.3640873

>>3637605
look faggot I don't have to be able to paint something to be able to understand paintings. That is a beautiful sculpt I must admit that even if you did not do it.

>> No.3640883

>>3637617
I still don't think you understood what I meant read my reply to the exact same fucking thing moron


>>3637625
You see you are the Ass clown my friend and you will see this in time and no matter how many gay modern art movies you watch to make yourself feel special and somehow "better" than others you will be special for you are a mindless robot who cannot think for himself.

But about your painting I would not say it is ugly but I would say it looks nice not because of the artists hands painting an image but simply because of the colours that is it the chaotic representation of it serves no purpose it is idiotic tell me what is the purpose of causing such chaos but for example Gogh's famous artwork The Starry Night is yes altered from reality but it makes sense none the less I could go into the meaning of the painting of what it represents but there is no need my point is simply I am okay with reality being changed or an artwork not necessarily being an exact, perfect or ideal representation of life but when such a painting is represented in the way where it either does not inherently make sense or is degenerate then I am against it such as your painting it is painted in a toddlers style but with added random lines and colours to add emotion(because it sure as hell doesn't add any meaning) or more likely simply to be different.

>> No.3640899

>>3636364
>>3636364
Yes I remember you talking about such a subject I welcome you my friend you and I are the few sane people I'm afraid.

>Strange, wouldn't most people say it's hyper-realism that is made obsolete by the affordability of high-quality cameras? Photo-realism is a fancy pony trick, but realism in general is still a critical element to a lot of good art.

Well yes and no it depends on what the aim of the artist is for example if the artists simply wanted to paint someone exactly as they are then a photo is superior while it is true a painter has more control over such things as colours depth of the painting the medium which can give the painting both a very different feeling and a very different meaning while art has to be based in reality to have meaning. So you could make a photo realistic painting with a totally different colour scheme from reality or with the depth wrong or unusual so in this way a painting is still superior.

Also just to clarify I am not saying art has to be photo realistic simply that a photo realistic art work still has something over a photo.

>> No.3640920

>>3636372
it's not Giordano you culture less ape it's Winge.


>>3636373
Look faggot I have explained my argument multiple times and I gathered you must of seen my previous thread on here which was up for ages and ran outa room.


>>3637646
Great argument faggot.

>>3637652
I think abstraction vs realism would be a better way to put it which is what art has been for eternity. But you see I do not prefer a photo realistic painting over a photo because "effort" was put into it but because of the many variables one has with a a painting here is my answer>>3640899


>>3637655
Well fuck off then faggot what are you doing here just to be a sour cunt and ruin an interesting argument just because the incel brainlet can't conjure an argument does not mean he has to but in to the argument.

Know your place pleb.


>>3637786
Look you faggot incel I don't have to be able to paint/ draw to understand painting/drawings if this was the case art museums would be a very small thing.


>>3637805
Fuck off posting this degenerate.


>>3639009
I have to believe you are shit posting I don't even know how a human being could come to that conclusion let alone function with that belief in their head.


>>3639697
fuck off with your gay yokai watch you disgusting incel brainlet weab.

>> No.3640931

can you guys recommend some good place to browse classic art? I use a DailyArt app but its very limited unless you pay for it

>> No.3640957

>>3640245
Yes post modernist architecture does not focus on Beauty or even something interesting to look at it focuses on an empty shell of tradition it has no soul.

What post modernist architecture in reality is just a way to make cheaper buildings and places in the guise of "art" or the "style" of our time. We live in a time where capitalism is at it's worst but better than communism.

I miss... National Socialism
>>3640446
Now of coarse not all of his paintings are degenerate but a dominant number of his painting are therefore I will say degenerate Jew. But I do admit he can paint.


>>3640453
I do not dislike impressionism (at least some) for example your pic is quite nice I like it for you see it is based in reality and is not degenerate.


>>3640462
Agreed often modern and post modern is just a way to get away with no talent.

I would not say that a painting is necessarily a bridge from the view to the artists soul but it can be and as I say that would a degenerative and chaotic soul represent degeneration and chaos yes. This is my point. if they wish to express that they can but when this is idealised in a society as peak of art then you are in big shit .

I would recommend you read Sex and Culture as well as Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West it will better help you understand my point and the evolution and degeneration of civilisation.


>>3640497
Look faggot I would greatly disagree with your point they express multitudes of meaning in a less obvious manner than some. I have others it is just I am soon to post them and it does not help that I was banned for three days now faggot yes other paintings are more interesting but you cannot deny that these paintings are too interesting and meaningful.

>> No.3640965

>>3640648
Look faggot cunt do they wish to represent the body with lines and strokes and something that is so obviously insane obviously you were to retarded to read my reply to the exact same point or to figure out what I said by your self.

>> No.3641006

>>3640648
> sex is degenerate
Fucking americunts

>> No.3641012

>>3640883
Are you just some bitch from /v/?

>> No.3641031
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>>3640957
Jesus I don't even know where to begin. A quick glance through the thread and assuming that the first handful of posts are made by you I couldn't agree more with this post >>3640497. Your taste in art seems extremely superficial and shallow. You don't seem to have a deep understanding of what makes a painting successful in regards to composition, color, the use of light, it's themes etc.. That painting by Vermeer is a 100 times more interesting to look at then the piece of garbage you deemed great enough to open your post with. Your appreciation of art if we can even call it that appears to be rooted above all on political ideology. You seem to be particularly fixated on degeneracy specially when it deals with sex when a good chunk of art dating for millennia has dealt with sex and as human being sex is a big part of what makes us human. Lastly you spend a good chunk of you replies throwing ad hominem attacks, I know this is 4chan but you reallly went to town calling people faggot, incels, brainlets, ass clowns, and so on.

>> No.3641032

Lol OP obviously can't even draw close to his ideal art style. Stay mad

>> No.3641035

>>3641006
well sex between a man and his wife is not.
>>3641012
No argument typical but no I am from the Holy land /pol/

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>> No.3641051

>>3641032
How autistic r u mate?

>>3641031
My fucking goodness you claim God speed to be superficial and shallow. It's funny you claim I blinded by my ideology where it is obviously you who cannot like or even understand OP pic because your ideology blinds you from it you see it as boring when it expresses such beauty's and truths perhaps you did not look hard enough it just seems fucking insane you complete diddle daddle moron. For example>>3636137 in this painting you see a female perhaps queen stitching a flag it is representing the mother of a nation not as a physical woman but symbolic she is the psychological collection of purity and virginity.

Now perhaps you did not see this in OP pic she is tying something on the Knights arm now what does it represent.

If you say "it represents nothing then you are plebian npc.


Also just so you know I was called incel, brainlet, ass clown and more first I simply replied the favour.

>> No.3641052

>>3641050
This is nice thank you for the contribution.

>> No.3641056

Anime is the best

>> No.3641060

>>3641056
your kidding right?

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>>3641052
You're welcome. Here's another.

>> No.3641082

>>3641051
Yes the painting in OP's opening post is pretty boring, yes it tells a story a simple one and that's that. That is why the other anon called it extremely illustrative it's the type of artwork you'd find in the cover of a fantasy novel. Also yes you are absolutely completely blinded by ideology nothing that you have said could be clearer than that.

>> No.3641090

>>3641064
thank you again at least someone here has taste.

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>>3641090
I feel as though it's limiting to say that all contemporary art is degen. Here are some contemporary pieces that display high acuity for technique and rendering.

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>>3641109

>> No.3641113

>>3641082
Did you even look at the painting my fucking goodness.

Illustrative does not necessarily equal to meaningless or boring.

For example we see his wife or queen I do not know tying something onto his shoulder it represents an eternal truth that will always stand with humans, by her tying that not on him she is saying come back home or remember me and she is looking at the band while he is looking at her as if admiring or accepting the promise to her it can also be seen as a simple act of love her helping him with something therefore representing innocent love perhaps but you see this is the thing yes the meaning and symbolism may be more obvious in this painting but it is by no means bad or any less than another painting with more Discreet meaning and symbolism it is like saying 2001: A space Odyssey is better than Braveheart simply because it has a lot of symbolism and hidden meanings and yes I know the cinematography but it is the same as the depth and layout of a painting equivalent any way.

Also one more thing I would like to add is about the flowers to the left perhaps representing blooming love.

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>>3641112

>> No.3641118

>>3641109
>>3641112
Yes they are indeed beautiful but my point was not that all modern and post modern art is bad simply that it is dominantly bad there a very few painters like this now and the one's that are still around are ridiculed and are forced to produce art that is based around the norm for post modernist/ modernist art in university's if they do not then they don't pass.

I am simply calling out the insanity of art that we have in this era the name of the Thread was more to start the conversation then to actually be the basis of my argument.

>> No.3641177

Any way gotta go to work now be back later.

>> No.3641186

>>3641113
We're talking about the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood who were trying to be as ironically sentimental and moralistic as they could be. They're making fun of that shit.

>> No.3641243

>>3640965
Now that I know I'm talking to a troll who's proud of being banned - which you have to be a truly massive asshole to accomplish, all I have to say is this:

Get a fucking life.

Then, go fuck yourself.

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>>3641113
You're not really building a strong case or demonstrating any deeper understanding of art beyond the superficial level that I spoke about. In you opening post your painting is quite simplistic with again telling a simple story. Lets revisit the Vermeer painting as an example. The composition of the painting is an upside down triangle where the main area of focus is at, this is the part that the artist wants you to look specifically the table, which he uses the lighting, the shadows, the arm of the woman, the blue cloth on the left, all lead in straight lines to this focus. Lighting wise, Vermeer uses a soft light coming from the left that gently bathes the scene, which was common in Dutch art at the time, what makes it stand out here are the highlights that Vermeer uses. It has often been suggested that he may have used camera obscuras to study the light as those type of highlights are unnatural. The woman's white head gear is heavily contrasted against the black painting in the back emphasizing her face which once again takes our view to the table. This type of painting is called a "Vanitas" a type of painting that deals with inevitability of death. The painting in the background is a Last Judgement which is juxtaposed with the woman weighing her pearls. It's a contrast between earthly things and the heavenly, things that ephemeral and eternal, the mundane and the spiritual, and so on.
Now if you like the paintings that you've posted that's fine. The problem here is your asshole-ish smug attitude, lecturing people on art, beauty, and degeneracy when your appreciation for it doesn't seem to go past a middle school level. You're lecturing people on having shit taste, talk about garbage art, you say "Might as well dump some "good" art" and then proceed to post some pretty pleb ish stuff.
There's a legitimate discussion to be had in regards to contemporary and modern art, but with people like you it's impossible because you're not interested in a discussion

>> No.3641307

>>3640883
being this mad. do you hate music too? or is it just the stuff your eyes can't make sense of that annoys you?

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>>3640957
>What post modernist architecture in reality is just a way to make cheaper buildings
That isn't always true

>> No.3641813

>>3641278

I do not think you even read my point you are simply breaking down the meaning of the painting (Which is all true by the way) but you see I like most pre modern art pieces but too say the paintings I have posted are "basic" or or of "plebeian" stock it just simply disingenuous and seems as if every painting to have deep meaning or to be a masterpiece has to have some sort of obvious lighting or focus and with hidden meaning your the equivalent to the person who hates any movies like Bravheart and only like Kubrich and Lynch(although some of the best of directors) simply because they are different or have a more emphasised and used cinematography and symbolism which a movie does not need to be just as meaningful or Beautiful for that matter it is just the expression of such meaning where Woman Holding a Balance is much more symbolic and directs the mind to a certain area to put emphasis on the importance of it. While Op pic Godspeed has the meaning expresses in a much more open way but is no less as meaningful it leaves the viewer with more to simply look at. It is just as meaningful but expresses it's meaning in a more dispersed fashion for it is a representation of reality and life not a small narrow meaning (which is okay) so you must remember not to be so damn edgy yes they are both good paintings is one better than the other no there is no direct abstract concept the painter is trying to express but does that mean it is any less meaningful no it does not.

>The problem here is your asshole-ish smug attitude, lecturing people on art, beauty, and degeneracy when your appreciation for it doesn't seem to go past a middle school level.

Do you wanna cry some more? did I hurt your feelings? get over it you pathetic excuse for a male the thread is purposely provocative you imbecile it's to start a good discussion.

My post continues below reply to that.

>> No.3641814

>>3641278
>You're lecturing people on having shit taste, talk about garbage art, you say "Might as well dump some "good" art" and then proceed to post some pretty pleb ish stuff.

Again different aim of the artists stop being such an edgelord where you can only appreciate the most direct abstract concepts in a symbolic way.

>> No.3641817

>>3641307
Well I hate shit music such as a nigger yelling his traditional song.

"shiiiiiit niguer ima fuc dem bitches"


Look faggot I can make sense of it, It is this sense that allows me to understand it's insanity you see I do not think you can make sense of it for you are simply expressing your mood/ideology on it and this gives it meaning of coarse it has meaning to a degree such as with the instinctive feelings associated with colours/shapes and the identifiable image but you see it is a degenerated form of this identifiable image (not that this is even that bad) while just a painting of kitchen would probably lack meaning but the small amount of meaning that is there would be better expressed in a good painting.

>> No.3641821

>>3641641
Yes of coarse there are exceptions but such exceptions come from the implementation of post modern architecture which (most likely) is just a way to build places quicker and faster because of a lack of effort. Now that this has been implemented there are always those who will blindly follow whatever is "popular" in the name of being different or feeling special hence such expensive architecture.

>> No.3642055

>>3641817
>it's insanity
>posts an insane run on sentence
Oh the ironing.

>> No.3642175

>>3641813
>get over it you pathetic excuse for a male the thread is purposely provocative you imbecile it's to start a good discussion.
Not once did I insult yet there you go. Surely if you question my masculinity then it proves your right.

>Do you wanna cry some more? did I hurt your feelings?
The irony. You have shit taste anon plain and simple. You don't know shit about art beyond what you see superficially. Not once in the entire thread have you gone into the theory of what makes good art beyond screeching degeneracy and going into politics.

Go ahead and insult me some more if it'll make you feel better.

>> No.3642415

>ITT: tying to bash reason into a broken, empty vessel that is the skull of OP
someone who jerks off to stale knight and damsel paintings as if they were gold quality, can't be helped.

OP is an art necromancer: only old "quality" nostalgia material is valid for him/her.
there is no reason to continue any discussion with him. already showed what he can('t) understand here ---> >>3636482

>> No.3643414

>>3636364
>i'm a nazi, but i'm not as bad as a commie - the post

>> No.3643421

>>3640957
>i love beauty but i miss a movemment that mass-destroyed european culture and produced a twisted, shitty version of it

>> No.3643424

>>3641813
>Do you wanna cry some more? did I hurt your feelings? get over it you pathetic excuse for a male

Just the way you write shows that you've spent far too much time on /pol/ and now you think you're some supreme overman who triggers emasculated liberals left and right. Welcome to the real world, you ain't shit and your taste in art is as unremarkable and boring as you having read Oswald Sprengler once and completely misinterpreted him.

>> No.3643510

Good paintings are both good illustration and good graphic design. Abstract art is just graphic design, hyper realistic art is just illustration. Virtue is the middle between two extremes.

>> No.3644275
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Modern art for the Modern Man.
The incredible Willem de Kooning (pic related) expressed the freedom of the mind of Man at its pinnacle.
Master draftsman and poet of color and value.
At the time when he created this there was no better (1948).
Simplifying archetypes thru expressive gesture and intuitive color composition was a leap forward for art and mankind.
No one can argue this.

>> No.3645087

>>3642055
ohh fuck of you rat fucking wombat this is 4chan.


>>3642175
>Not once did I insult yet there you go

Are yes you did and I quote "The problem here is your asshole-ish smug attitude, lecturing people on art, beauty, and degeneracy when your appreciation for it doesn't seem to go past a middle school level. "

That seems to be pretty insulting my friend besides no hard feelings I did not take offence to this it was merely a good debate and I hope you do the same when I say such things to you, no hard feelings these insults can slip of the keyboard sometimes they are just used to emphasise certain points.

>Surely if you question my masculinity then it proves your right.

Never said that but like I said before just an insult apart of the argument I apologise if it inflicted any legitimate hurt.

>The irony. You have shit taste anon plain and simple. You don't know shit about art beyond what you see superficially. Not once in the entire thread have you gone into the theory of what makes good art beyond screeching degeneracy and going into politics.

I still do not think you read my full reply to your post my point was simply that there is not one set aim or medium or style to make a good painting and neither is there one form to convey a message.

>Go ahead and insult me some more if it'll make you feel better.

If you say so.

Go fuck yourself you disgusting degenerative wombat raped koala orgy, coke sniffing, porky hipped, emu legged manlet.

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>>3644275
>No one can argue this
correct

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This butthurt anon.

>> No.3645102

>>3642415
Look faggot piss off if you want to ruin a discussion. I never said that only old art is good simply that the dominant branch of art made in modern/post modern period is utter shit.


>>3643414
Yes a good post I would say.


>>3643421
>a movemment that mass-destroyed european culture and produced a twisted, shitty version of it

Pls I would love for you to explain how European culture was somehow destroyed?

It was embraced you retard maybe research something yourself before repeating your autistic professor.


>>3643510
Yes although illustration still has the ability over graphic design that is it's ability to convey an actual message it's just the message is presented in a different way, Hyper realistic art is not the be all and end all but I would not say it is any less of an art.

>>3644275
Yes but when do such paintings stop expressing something and simply become something visually stimulating and the only real message or meaning that such paintings convey is coming from the viewer, which is not inherently bad but we must draw the line between a different form of artistic expression and a meaningless (but still stimulating) collage of shapes and colours.

>> No.3645103

>>3645090
>correct
incorrect, it depends on the painting itself.


>>3645096
Who are you referring to?

>> No.3645111

>>3645103
To the op who gets repeatedly called out and keeps losing his shit.

>> No.3645113

>(((modern art)))

>> No.3645138

>>3645111
Called out for what?

>> No.3645142

>>3645113
look faggot it's just to appeal to the eye when scanning the catalogue.

>> No.3645564

>>3645102
Just kidding.
I made that shit drawing last night when I got frustrated with a drawing I was sucking at.
I just drew some boobs, a belly, shit legs, and then charcoaled and pasteled it up a lot, then brushed some shit acrylic on it.
I tried to imitate de Kooning a little to bait and hopefully tr..uh, trick the modern art braindeads into defending it.:)
It’s great no one challenged it as a de Kooning which shows some success.

>> No.3645566

>>3645564
And for my next trick imma shit, er, I mean, paint a pollock drip painting.
Don’t worry, I’ll smoke and videotape it so you will then understand it’s meaning.

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I liked this more when it was an art sharing thread.

>> No.3645637

>>3645564
Hahaha a million keks, was wondering if I should use ur shitty painting as an example but as soon as you get the slightest bit personal with these art fags they freak out and get defensive and then there is no way to convey any rationality or reason cause of "muh feels".

>>3645566
Beautiful I gather the splashes of purple, red, black, green and a triangle will represent the duality between man and his inner most desire of homosexuality, a sort of duality, a treaty on the duality of man's homosexuality...

at least that's what I am sure you were going for with such designs.

>> No.3645638

>>3645608
It is for both sharing art and discussing it.

>> No.3646021

>>3645102
>Pls I would love for you to explain how European culture was somehow destroyed?
Nazi Germany engaged in plunder of arts and monuments while looting all across Europe.
Hitler himself had specifically art looted for his future Führermuzeum in Linz. Top Nazi leadership, like Göring and von Ribbentrop, took advantage of the situation to further their private art collections.

Nazis also systematically engaged in an attempt to destroy Polish cultural heritage. 25 museums and many other facilities were destroyed just in Poland.
Overlooking that, the Nazis destroyed a wide-range of cities by bombing them to the ground or otherwise, Rotterdam and Warsaw for example. Not to mention the plan to destroy Paris, which was luckily never realized, or the likewise never realized Nero Befehl, which would have sent Germany back to the stone age.

>It was embraced you retard maybe research something yourself before repeating your autistic professor.

Good job name-calling others while bitching out when it happens to you. Theft and destruction do not amount to embracing anything. Stop repeating what /pol/ has taught you and grab a book.

>> No.3646138

>>3644275
>>3645564
Imagine failing so hard at the most unoriginal troll in art and no one even taking your bait, but somehow still thinking you made something of value or even funny.

>> No.3646149

>>3641641
My appreciation for Berlin and the EU just skyrocketed

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Reminder that in a previous thread this retarded /Pol/llack denied color theory being a thing.
>Red and oranges being warm and blues being cold is completly subjective

Pollock and a lot of modern and postmodern art is shit, but this guy is a brainlet of art and he getting a hard on for knights it's child level taste.

>> No.3646512

>>3646021
>Theft and destruction do not amount to embracing anything. Stop repeating what /pol/ has taught you and grab a book.

This is pretty much your entire argument, your so simply your view on life is essentially "cuas hE gEt UNgrY He muuSt beE uNgry uT everyune"


It doesn't fucking matter if you take art from either prisoners/enemy and it also does not matter if you destroy utter shit quality modern art museums in some shit slavic country.


Look faggot it's called war cities get destroyed you can't expect your enemy to not bomb or attack you in a city cause there might be something valuable there.


You are retarded saying that "theft and destruction never amount to anything" well yes they do they always do whether or not they amount to something good depends on what was destroyed/stolen which in this case was a okay.

>> No.3646515

>>3646138
well it was funny to me faggot.


>>3646234
look faggot obviously your mental capacity does not go beyond what your commie professor has told you, but I acknowledge that I did not include the idea of colour theory but but that does still not deny the fact that on a dominant scale modern and post modern art is utter shit.


>Hating anything classical/traditional cause it's "old"

>> No.3646565

>>3646512
So, the Dormition Cathedral of the Kyivan Cave Monastery was a shitty modern art museum in a shit Slavic country? The Klimt paintings lost in the Schloss Immendorf fire, caused by the retreating SS were shit? The Amber Room was shit?

>depends on what was destroyed/stolen which in this case was a okay.
So this shit was okay? Firebombing Rotterdam, despite it's surrender, was okay? Bombing civilians is okay?

Nowhere was there any mention of destroyed modern art museums in Poland, you made that up on the spot to strawman me.

I'm not even gonna attempt to explain anything more to you. Once someone attempts to explain to you that the conduct of Nazis was anti-European, you respond with half-wit bullshit and spew vulgarities left and right.

>> No.3646593

>>3646515
>Implying I hate classical/traditional art

Unlike you, The rest of the world has enough mental capability to apreciate different movements and styles at the same time, brainlet.

>Hur dur dur commie professor
Commies are as retarded as you.
What now faggot? Do you have other /pol/ memes you want to throw to see what sticks?

>> No.3646631

>>3646565
meh it's war get over it faggot it happens.

>> No.3646633

>>3646593
>Unlike you, The rest of the world has enough mental capability to apreciate different movements and styles at the same time, brainlet.

of coarse but some also have the mental capacity to realise when something stops being art.

>Commies are as retarded as you.
What now faggot? Do you have other /pol/ memes you want to throw to see what sticks?

I will see what sticks,

faggot.

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>>3645608
Just ignore the retards.

>> No.3646660

>>3641186
Erm, no. That's not what the PRB were about.

>> No.3647029

>>3646138
O.k.ill imagine it.

>> No.3647078

>>3646631
Will you defend ISIS destroying monuments too? Because might is right, huh?

So, how again is National Socialism embracing European culture?

>> No.3647108

>>3647078
>Will you defend ISIS destroying monuments too? Because might is right, huh?

I never said might = right just simply that might can be a strategy to achieve right.

Muslims are idiots destroying cultural heritage for no reason.

>So, how again is National Socialism embracing European culture?

By literally telling people they should be proud of their heritage and being one of the few modern movements that got the border spot on with art.

>huh?

don't use fucking that language with me faggot.

>> No.3647129

>>3647108
>By literally telling people they should be proud of their heritage and being one of the few modern movements that got the border spot on with art.

By literally attacking other European countries and allying with the communists, only to betray them (like they betrayed everyone else) and get owned in the end, all the while roaming Europe, sacking cities and destroying monuments?

Nazis are were no different than ISIS when destroying monuments. Both were destroying them for ideological reasons, Nazis because they deemed them un-Germanic, ISIS because they contradict the Quran.

Oh, and y the way, Mussolini embraced futurism and Goebbels initially thought expressionism to be true Germanic art, before Hitler ordered him otherwise.

>don't use fucking that language with me faggot.
Huh, huh, huh? When you stop calling people retards and faggots for not agreeing with you. I didn't insult you in a single instance during our posting, yet like all stormfriends, you get triggered at the slightest sighting of facts. But hey, nothing suprising for a movement founded on literally feelings before facts.

>> No.3647145

>>3647129
>By literally attacking other European countries and allying with the communists, only to betray them (like they betrayed everyone else) and get owned in the end, all the while roaming Europe, sacking cities and destroying monuments?
>Nazis are were no different than ISIS when destroying monuments. Both were destroying them for ideological reasons, Nazis because they deemed them un-Germanic, ISIS because they contradict the Quran.
>Oh, and y the way, Mussolini embraced futurism and Goebbels initially thought expressionism to be true Germanic art, before Hitler ordered him otherwise.


Yes but this ideology is correct besides fuck degenerative art.

And who gives a fuck about a wog Hitler realised the degeneracy.


>Huh, huh, huh? When you stop calling people retards and faggots for not agreeing with you. I didn't insult you in a single instance during our posting, yet like all stormfriends, you get triggered at the slightest sighting of facts. But hey, nothing suprising for a movement founded on literally feelings before facts.

Holy shit the huh's are out of control. The fucking Irony in all my time here I have never once resorted to "muh feels" but facts, it is almost you lefty art fags that resort to "muh feels" oh the irony how the tables have turned just repeating exactly what I say.

>> No.3647206

>>3647145
So attacking other European nations, allying with communists, betraying everyone around you is an embrace of European culture and values? That's what you stand for?

> in all my time here I have never once resorted to "muh feels" but facts

Could you introduce us to some of the facts you used? I haven't seen any yet. The art you posted is some of the most based on the feelings ('well I like knights and traditional values so this is good art because it is moral') I've ever seen.

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I fucking love this work.

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>>3647206
>So attacking other European nations, allying with communists, betraying everyone around you is an embrace of European culture and values? That's what you stand for?

Depends on the Nations faggot. Also war causes destruction you can't expect your enemy to have such restrictions.


>Could you introduce us to some of the facts you used? I haven't seen any yet. The art you posted is some of the most based on the feelings ('well I like knights and traditional values so this is good art because it is moral') I've ever seen.


Have you even read through the thread I am bout to go to sleep but I mentioned how Op is not inferior to>>3640497 pic just a use of different expression just follow this conversation.

Goodnight faggot.

>> No.3647270

>>3647210
>>3647215
>>3647217
>>3647218
>>3647222


Agreed tis beautiful who is it by.

Also I wont be able to reply until about 10 or 12 hours cause I'm going to sleep now mate.

Keep posting noice paintings I appreciate it..

>> No.3647272

>>3647270
Few different artists. Torri lovel made the bella wood work

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>> No.3647679

>>3647272
noice me mate.

>> No.3647920

>>3641278
I like this. Well said, anon. Learned something from this.

>> No.3647988

>>3640548
>this

>> No.3648031

>>3641813
Narcissism: the post.

And,
>so you must remember not to be so damn edgy
Ironic.

>> No.3648082

>>3647988
"post modern art fag speaks*
>aCTaLlY U Cen DRoRe anethING evEn a SmuDGE oF CoLer caN bE a DroReINg, iT dOEs not evEn hUve TO BEe bAseD iN rEULitY.

>> No.3648083

>>3648031
>Narcissism: the post.

I'm curious how you came to this conclusion.


>>so you must remember not to be so damn edgy

>Ironic.

*Cough's to clear throat* i'm sorry but.. what the fuck.

>> No.3648085

>>3648083
I can tell you're a narcissist from your posts.

>*Cough's to clear throat* i'm sorry but.. what the fuck.
Don't write like that. And it's because you are the edgiest boy on this site, telling someone not to be edgy.

>> No.3648116

>>3648085
>I can tell you're a narcissist from your posts.
I can most certainly tell you I am the opposite of a narcissist but pls tell me I am honestly curious how you came to this conclusion.


.>*cough's to clear throat again* i'm sorry but fuck you faggot this is /ic/ I can write as faggot like as I want.

Pls tell me how I am edgy then?

>> No.3648331

>repeatedly insults people
>has clearly gotten angry in several posts
>praises national socialism
>uses meme buzzwords
>(((modern art)))
>main argument is simply to yell degeneracy
>many users have pointed out that OP doesn't seem to know much about art and he replies with more insults
>states opinion as fact
>etc...

>I'm not edgy you are

>> No.3648857

>>3648331
>>repeatedly insults people
>>has clearly gotten angry in several posts
>>praises national socialism
>>uses meme buzzwords
>>(((modern art)))
>>main argument is simply to yell degeneracy
>>many users have pointed out that OP doesn't seem to know much about art and he replies with more insults
>>states opinion as fact
>>etc...


You art fags really project don't you I have time and time again stated facts and solid arguments proving my point to be correct and yet almost at the end of every conversation with someone on this thread ends with someone just telling me to essentially fuck of and stop being so "blind".

I have not gotten angry this entire fucken thread I find it funny to be honest, it's provided me with many oh keks.

Also maybe you don't realise you sheep pincher but i'm Australian and swearing is apart of the common tongue, I have even explained that I mean no offence through such insults or arguments they just enhance my point and can add comedic affect.

Look faggot the reason I state my opinion as fact is because it is fact, I have based my opinion on facts and I have showed you such facts it's just nobody ever seems to reply to them and continue to say the same argument causing a never ending loop.

And don't forget I was insulted first>>3636306


So don't forget faggot your an edgy weaboo faggot who needs to grow the fuck up and not be so blinded by your socialist professors, the difference is the aim of the artist and what form they are expressing such meaning through.

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