/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3604573]

>just turn 29
>have not reached all my art goals and dreams

I graduated 8 years ago from a school that specialized in comics because I thought that was what I wanted to do. Since I graduated, I moved back with parents and couldn't find much work in comics or illustration. Add the pressure of finding an actual job from my parents, and my drive to produce art went into a downward spiral. 3 years after graduating, I got a job at a slot game company as a production artist. It wasnt what I wanted to do but it was a comfy job and I could produce art on the side. 2 years into my job, I was commissioned to do storyboards for a cartoon series pitched to Nickelodeon. It was never greenlit, but I've grown a passion for it and realized my true calling should be storyboarding for animation. Unfortunately I got laid off from my slot game job almost 2 years ago. Ive been trying to find a new job, but I decided to go back to college to earn a Bachelor's degree to make me more employable. I figured I'd utilize this time to build a Storyboard portfolio.
I've gotten a few local storyboard freelance jobs here and there, but I really want to storyboard for the animation industry.

Unfortunately I'm already 29, and my boyfriend says I need to be more realistic about my career at this age. Is it really too late to achieve this dream? What can I do to make it more possible? I have some 2nd connections to some animation professionals on LinkedIn, but I'm not sure how to approach them.

Advice?

[Anonymous No.3604575]

>>3604573
>and my boyfriend
stopped giving a shit here

[Anonymous No.3604577]

>>3604575
Boyfriend, along with family and friends. Basically everyone close to me is telling me to be more realistic.

[Anonymous No.3604578]

>>3604577
That's not it. I don't help roasties who oust themselves.

[-]

[Anonymous No.3604586]

>>3604578
>assumes roastie and not a fag

[Anonymous No.3604597]

>>3604573
>bf

fucking normies.

[Anonymous No.3604608]

>>3604573
>I have some 2nd connections to some animation professionals on LinkedIn, but I'm not sure how to approach them

how well do you know them? well enough to casually ask them if there's any work they could hook you up with? or do you only know them professionally? you may have to write a few cold pitches if that's the case. do a little research if you don't know what a cold pitch is or how to format a convincing one.

don't throw away all your experience just to start over in another career you'll regret. you might have to get a job outside your field while looking for the next art gig, but age isn't a reason for giving up.

[Anonymous No.3604617]

>>3604573
Should have gotten a decent paying job as a nurse or medical assistant and used that to fund your art stuff. Then until you made decent money as an artist quit that other job and continue.

>I have some 2nd connections to some animation professionals on LinkedIn, but I'm not sure how to approach them.
Then think of a way and just try, worst case scenario you get rejected but at least you tried. Also put your work out there on social media and get a webpage or something. Just do something. Meanwhile get a job at retail or something that makes money on the side. If not study as a medical assistant or a job that will get you money and those are minimum like 4 years. That will help you have money and use it to jumpstart an art career.

[Anonymous No.3604622]

>>3604578
roastie is any female with a boyfriend? fascinating

[Anonymous No.3604625]

>>3604573
1. Consolidate all your work into a professional portfolio
2. Start emailing art directors and other people in positions to hire artists like you. Reach out to them to simply share your portfolio and make yourself known as someone interested in working with them in the future

You need to do #2 a lot. If you're skills are up to snuff (it seems they might be), then you'll eventually start making successful connections. Your promotional emails do not have to be "pitchy". Keep them short, friendly and simply make yourself known.

Do this over and over and over again. Most people will never bother doing this, either because they're scared to do so or simply because it never even crosses their mind. Don't be one of those people. It's not a big deal. You'll be surprised how far a simple, friendly introductory email can take you.

[Anonymous No.3604626]

>>3604608
>how well do you know them?

Not well at all. Mostly alumni who went to my art school who happen to be working at Warner Bros Animation or Nickelodeon or Pixar. I feel weird just messaging them out of the blue saying "Hey, we graduated from the same school! I want to storyboard for your studio! Check out my portfolio and see if I'm good enough?"

[https://www.deviantart.com/lkz(...) No.3604629]

>>3604573
>from a school that specialized in comics
lmao gg youre poverry now cuz retard parents

RIP

[Anonymous No.3604633]

>>3604629
My original choices were SVA or SCAD, but I was told the trade school I went to was super hard to get into, and that there would be job placement, so I applied and was accepted. I wish I was told that job placement was finding art commissions and that if you didn't get your first gig right before graduating that you were pretty much fucked.

[Anonymous No.3604674]

Fuck goals and dreams, they're worth shit. Simple binary points that you've either reached or have not. If you haven't reached them, you'll feel bad, and once you do reach them, you have to ask "what next?" Motivation fades, passions die, but routine remains. Draw every day and put things out there. Push whatever you make wherever you can. It may not take you where you wanted to go, but put enough time and effort into it and it'll take you somewhere.

[https://www.deviantart.com/lkz(...) No.3604679]

>>3604633
tld:dr retard NEET

[Anonymous No.3604698]

>>3604622
>roastie is any female with a boyfriend?
roastie is any female. teehee

[Anonymous No.3604712]

>>3604578
> that bitterness
Gee, I wonder how come you aren't covered in pussy.

[Anonymous No.3604799]

>>3604573
RACE VAn GOHGH YOu FAGGOT FUCK

9 MOREYEARS

[Anonymous No.3604832]

>>3604799
Can you type in comprehensible English?

>>3604698
>>3604578
>>3604575
>>>/r9k/
>>>/killyourself/

[Anonymous No.3604849]

post your work. then we can talk

[Anonymous No.3604851]

>>3604832
no

[Anonymous No.3604860]

You should message Luis Escobar on youtube or patrreon.
Hes a storyboard artist for the Simpsons and actually gives ot good advice and replies to messages.

[Anonymous No.3604887]

>>3604849

[Anonymous No.3604921]

>>3604573
>Is it really too late to achieve this dream?
You can go pro in a year but you need to study the whole year

[Anonymous No.3604929]

>>3604573
>oh no, I only have 50 more years to live, how will I ever achieve anything?!

[Anonymous No.3604930]

>>3604921
>You can go pro in a year but you need to study the whole year
that is not how that works, if youre talking about feng zhu's students. they all draw the same shit and cant draw outside of perspective/envoriomental copycat shit

[Anonymous No.3604931]

>>3604930
But if the purpose is to start making some coin from your art what's that particularly matter?
Could always go "pro", start making money, and then broaden your work

[Anonymous No.3605008]

>>3604573
When will you d/ic/ks realize that the real money is in fine art. forget comics and story boarding and all this stupid shit. focus on fine art and learn how to market yourself accordingly.

[Anonymous No.3605011]

>>3604573
Or, get a REAL job and stop bitching about the art you make, no one gives a flying fuck and your art isn't worth dick in reality. Get a real, practical job like everyone else, and do your art on the side.

[Anonymous No.3605026]

>>3605011
t. wagecuck

[Anonymous No.3605048]

Post your work dude

[Anonymous No.3605051]

>>3604573
>I graduated 8 years ago from a school that specialized in comics because I thought that was what I wanted to do. Since I graduated, I moved back with parents and couldn't find much work in comics or illustration. Add the pressure of finding an actual job from my parents, and my drive to produce art went into a downward spiral. 3 years after graduating, I got a job at a slot game company as a production artist. It wasnt what I wanted to do but it was a comfy job and I could produce art on the side. 2 years into my job, I was commissioned to do storyboards for a cartoon series pitched to Nickelodeon. It was never greenlit, but I've grown a passion for it and realized my true calling should be storyboarding for animation. Unfortunately I got laid off from my slot game job almost 2 years ago. Ive been trying to find a new job, but I decided to go back to college to earn a Bachelor's degree to make me more employable. I figured I'd utilize this time to build a Storyboard portfolio.
>I've gotten a few local storyboard freelance jobs here and there, but I really want to storyboard for the animation industry.
>my boyfriend says I need to be more realistic about my career at this age. Is it really too late to achieve this
you're not a racehorse, there's no physical limitation preventing you from gitting as gud as anyone else in the field. short of developing arthritis or dementia, it's never too late (it's not like you're ever gonna retire lmao) people switch careers all the time. with that said, there's no reason why you should limit yourself only to storyboarding just because that's ultimately where you want to end up. keep grinding and be very honest about the quality of your work

[Anonymous No.3605121]

>>3604626
that's essentially a cold pitch- though i wouldn't word it like that

[Anonymous No.3605138]

OP again.

I checked my LinkedIn network and realized I have a 1st connection with a storyboard artist who's currently working at Dreamworks who went to the same art school I went to.

I found his email so I was thinking of emailing him for advice on my portfolio, but I have social anxiety so I fear about making bad first impressions.

If I email him, how does this sound??

>"Hi (story artist),
>My name is (OP). I'm a freelance illustrator and comic artist from NYC, and I'm a fellow graduate of (art school). We connected on LinkedIn a while back but I've never gotten around to introducing myself.
>I’ve mostly pursued doing comic book work and illustration, but the last couple of years I've been interested in pursuing work in storyboarding. I was commissioned a while back to board the entire pilot of an animated series pitched to Nickelodeon. It was never greenlit, but I had gained a newfound love for storyboarding.
>Since then, I've done storyboard work for some small clients, but my goal is to find work in the animation industry. I'm even now learning how to use ToonBoom Storyboard Pro.
>Whenever you have the time, would you mind telling me a bit about what your job is like and how you got into the business? I also wanted to ask what I can do to improve my portfolio if I wanted to seek storyboard work in the animation industry.
>My storyboard work can be found at: (link to portfolio). If you have any tips or tricks as to how I could improve my portfolio, it would be very much appreciated!
>I completely understand that you’re probably really busy, so please feel free to get back to me at your convenience.
>Looking forward to hearing from you!
>Best, (OP)"

[Anonymous No.3605171]

>>3604573
i like the doggo

[Anonymous No.3605192]

>>3605138
I'd tell him how you know him before you tell him that you are an illustrator. He might get these kinds of emails from randoms all the time so you might as well start out with how you are not a rando technically.

[Anonymous No.3605195]

>>3604573
>and my boyfriend
You should be more worried about the fact that you’re not married yet

[Anonymous No.3605201]

>>3605008
>fine art
Like realism n sheeit?

[Anonymous No.3605214]

>>3605195
Don't worry, she has it all figured out with the baby trap.

[Anonymous No.3605240]

>>3605192
So mention I'm a graduate from the same school and that we're connected on LinkedIn as the first thing? Then mention I'm an illustrator?

[Anonymous No.3605259]

>>3605240
yes

[Anonymous No.3605289]

>>3605259
Cool. Do you think I should mention that freelance illustration and comic art isnt my full-time job? Just if hes connected to me on LinkedIn, its probably odd to just mention I'm a freelance illustrator when my job history shows I worked as a full-time Production Artist for several years, in addition to freelance illustration.

[Anonymous No.3605293]

>>3605289
Let me rephrase that. Do you think I should introduce myself as a freelance illustrator and comic artist when that wasn't my full-time job? I did freelance art jobs, but I had worked as a Production Artist full-time for several years.

[Anonymous No.3605401]

I'm not sure about getting jobs, but for learning I'd recommend checking out trades schools like Concept design academy and brainstorm if you want to do schooling again. I'm pretty sure both have story board classes. It's a lot cheaper than accredited schools and you'll probably learn as much or even a lot more. It's taught by industry professionals so information is in the context of the present and how things are done now. Good luck dude.

[Anonymous No.3605506]

>>3605401
Oh yeah I've looked into online classes like Concept Design Academy. So far I've been using Schoolism to study storyboarding and 3d modeling.
Im based in NYC, so I was also thinking on attending a continuing education class on digital storyboarding at School of Visual Arts since it mostly teaches how to use Toonboom Storyboard Pro.

I'm currently taking this semester off at college because of some Production Art contract work I was offered, which pays very good money.
If I dont find a full-time job by January, I plan on continuing with college. It's a shitty CUNY school, and the closest major they have related to my interests at this school is Design and Digital Media, which unfortunately falls under Communications, but it's the closest and cheapest school for me to attend.

[Anonymous No.3605567]

>>3604573
storyboard a cool sequence and put it on the internet, is the only thing i can think of. or, try making little 8-12 page comics to put on your tumblr, they have much the same skillset as storyboards and should teach you/garnetr some attention

[Anonymous No.3605735]

>>3605567
My storyboard portfolio right now consists of one short 21 panel sequence, one 99 panel sequence and a 168-page sequence from the cartoon pilot I was commissioned to board that was pitched to Nickelodeon. Each of those pages have 2 panels each, like the layout in pic-related. The way it's set up is so you can scroll down to view it in a sequence.

I also have some comic work in my portfolio. I'm not sure if it's enough material for a storyboard portfolio, but if it is, I'm wondering how I can show it to the right people.

[Anonymous No.3605821]

>>3605138
I wouldn't give too much backstory or mention that you're looking for work in the animation industry because that could sound like you're hinting if he could get you in the company.

I'd just introduce yourself, mention how you know him, and then just ask if he could review your storyboard portfolio and give you any tips or tricks whenever he is free.

[Anonymous No.3606016]

>>3604573
Stop obsessing over your age retard literally no one cares, stop being anxious about it. Half the pros I know are old as fuck. At the end of the day all that matters is skill and yes there are young geniuses who can draw circles around you but guess what dumbass, they cant magically work everywhere at once so stop thinking it's some kind of age game.

t. Boomer who went pro at 28

[Anonymous No.3606125]

>>3605195
Why does she need to be married right now? It's her life.

Hell, maybe she doesn't even want kids. I know I don't.

[Anonymous No.3606497]

>>3604573
There's only one thing left to do anon
If you're a man, kys
If you have a vagoona, have kids. know your fucking role.

[Anonymous No.3606502]

>>3605138
>I completely understand that you’re probably really busy
youre trying to be professional here, right? don't pussy-foot around

[Anonymous No.3606849]

Hi, OP. I am Nicky Lodeon. The brother of Hayao Miyazaki. As you may be wondering, I am a very well connected person in the animation biz. I need a storyboarder who I can pay six figures to and you match the profile. The only problem is I wanna see your tits, so post them here with a timestamp.
Love,
-Nicky

[Anonymous No.3607550]

>>3606125
>Why does she need to be married right now?
If she waits any longer no one will marry her

>It's her life.
Individualist nonsense. She has a duty to her family line

>Hell, maybe she doesn't even want kids. I know I don't.
Or maybe she hasn’t been brainwashed against the natural order and wants to continue what literally all of her ancestors did before her.

[Anonymous No.3607572]

>>3605138
I think this whole thread is a prestine example of why females aren't cut out for this kind of competition. Any self respecting, half-brained man would be like "ok, how can I take these skills and sell my art independently while something bigger doesn't come along," while you seem literally clueless outside of getting hired by someone who tells you what to do, despite having had 5-6 years to think about this shit.

I do hope your bf is getting some sick ass bjs, because to me you seem like a leech; not by choice, mind you, I'm sure you're trying very hard, but still, a leech.

[Anonymous No.3607594]

>>3607572
You type as mommy brings you another plate of pizza rolls

[Anonymous No.3607607]

op you really fucked up by giving the fact that you're a woman away. not only are you not going to get good advice here (not that you would if you were assumed a man either) but now we all have to deal with another one of "these" threads being bumped to the first page in favor of an actual thread about art. just leave /ic/ and never come back.

[Anonymous No.3607613]

I like all these donothing unfuckable weirdos reeeeing about le natural order and stuff on fucking 4chan.

Like what part of the "natural order" involves ANY of this shit? Half you retards draw furry porn on tablets and don't leave your houses for days. And you talk about having a duty to your "family lines" and shit as if your parents are fucking embarrassed about you.

And the most frustrating part of it, from the perspective of someone that wants people to do better, is that you're just dooming yourselves to a lifetime of cringey bitter bullshit and self-justification and pathetic impotent hostility.

Like seriously though we have right angles. We look at memes on phones and tablets and computers all day to keep ourselves as distracted from observable reality as possible. If there ever was a "natural order" for the human animal it died well over 500 years ago. When you reee about stuff like that you're just projecting that you're an hysterically desperate, delusional loser.

When you get into cycles of justification and reinforcement you just spiral out and radicalize and make yourself worse. You're sacrificing your long-term mental health and likelihood to succeed for short-term ego-defenses that temporarily make you feel more comfortable about being a failure.

[Anonymous No.3607623]

I like all these donothing unfuckable weirdos reeeeing about le natural order and stuff on fucking 4chan.

Like what part of the "natural order" involves ANY of this shit? Half you retards draw furry porn on tablets and don't leave your houses for days. And you talk about having a duty to your "family lines" and shit as if your parents aren't fucking embarrassed about you.

And the most frustrating part of it, from the perspective of someone that wants people to do better, is that you're just dooming yourselves to a lifetime of cringey bitter bullshit and self-justification and pathetic impotent hostility.

Like we have right angles. We look at memes on phones and tablets and computers all day to keep ourselves as distracted from observable reality as possible. If there ever was a "natural order" for the human animal it died well over 500 years ago. When you reee about stuff like that you're just projecting that you're an hysterically desperate, delusional loser.

When you get into cycles of justification and reinforcement you just spiral out and radicalize and make yourself worse. You're sacrificing your long-term mental health and likelihood to succeed for short-term ego-defenses that temporarily make you feel more comfortable about being a failure

[Anonymous No.3607639]

>>3607613
>If there ever was a "natural order" for the human animal it died well over 500 years ago.
501 years ago to be exact

[Anonymous No.3607680]

>>3607594
Nice try, but no.

[Anonymous No.3607723]

>>3604573
I work as a freelance storyboard artist for a video production agency, but surely this can't be what you mean? 0_o They basically send me descriptions, sometimes even with stock images to trace and expect 20 frames to be completed in 3 hours. It's really boring, i just do it for the money.

If you want to get into that I don't think it's unrealistic at all. Send your work to whatever animation studio that seems to be doing fine and expect their response. At least that's how i got that side gig in storyboarding.

[Anonymous No.3607767]

>>3607723
not op but how much do you get payed? hourly or just each of those 3 hours separetly?

[Anonymous No.3607783]

>>3604573
try videogames company, they also need storybordists and are much more stable employment.

[Anonymous No.3607790]

>>3605735
Holy shit, if you can get a job I need to start posting work on social media.

[Anonymous No.3607796]

>>3607767
That agency I mentioned pays $200 per 20-30 frames. But they do real-life actors, so it's kinda a different story

Most times when i get comissioned storyboards they're followed by illustrated style frames for that video, so I combine both into single payment. On average I get ~50$ from national clients and ~70$ from others in the EU (per storyboard that takes ~half a day to make).

Oh and i don't do cartoons/movies, i actually work in advertising.

[Anonymous No.3607826]

>>3604573
I feel weird becouse my story is very similar to yours. After i graduated and got my bachelors from media/art school i also got hired by some casino slot company and made money there for almost a year, then I decided returning back to my parents and getting back into actually doing art not just make assets. Right now i am still in the process of renovating a room in my parents house into an ateliere. Any tips on how not to lose my "git gut" motivation but still make an effort to support myself?

[Anonymous No.3607828]

>>3607796
Do you get enough commissions to get by on that?
How did you find these agnecies that give you gigs like this?

[Anonymous No.3607838]

>>3604573
You're already doing better than me, and I'm 28.

I've yet to be hired for any professional job outside of freelance stuff. Granted, I also started with self-learning like 5 years ago, and only finally started stepping into things professionally. I've got other jobs to hold me down in case I need tgem, but I personally wanna be able to permanently making a living off of just art. I'm gonna try and get a comic going and patreon to monetize those, it'll be slow growth, but SOME money coming in would be nice.

Just out of sheer curiosity, could you post your portfolio? I wanna know what it takes to get entry-level art jobs.

[Anonymous No.3607845]

>>3607623
What the fuck are you going on about you spastic? Who are you talking to?

[Anonymous No.3608153]

>>3607828
Of course! Typically I have every day of the month booked, so I do earn pretty good money (in my opinion, by my country's standards).

I was recommended to that video agency by my past employer. He put me in touch, I sent my portfolio via e-mail and that's how I got in. Other agencies I just find on the internet. For example I like their Instagram, so I go to their website and search for the e-mail address (sometimes they even got a separate one for "jobs"). After I send the portfolio they ask about my rates, then typically within days or weeks I get a comission. And if a company likes to work with you, it's granted they will want to keep you occupied. I was once on the other side of the relation, working full-time at an agency and trust me, good freelancers are extremely hard to come across. Most will come off as painfully dumb, unattentive or simply unreliable, and that can really damage their budget. It's been twice already that I was hired to fix something that another freelancer had screwed up.

[Anonymous No.3608972]

>>3608153
Thank for the info dude! I've just got my life back together after i just graduated and now i am building my self a mini studio where i will paint and make art, so planning how will i profit has been a tricky situation for me! I had no idea that you can just simply email people like that to get commissions.

[Anonymous No.3608999]

Art is soul and heart, its not a job

[Anonymous No.3609021]

>>3607550
>If she waits any longer no one will marry her
She already has a boyfriend. Besides, people get married in their thirties all the time.


>Individualist nonsense. She has a duty to her family line
Except she's the woman, which means she will have to take his last name, and all of her children will be of HIS family line. Plus, the whole "family line" thing really only matters if you are part of some kind of established ancient clan like Scottish or Japanese families, in line to inherit a business or a political office or if you're descended from a past president or famous actor. The family line of the Average Joe usually consists of poor factory workers, farmers and serfs, so it doesn't matter in the big picture.

[Anonymous No.3609206]

>>3607790
You do know that's not OP's work, right? What is careful reading?

[Anonymous No.3609213]

>>3608153
When you send your portfolio to clients and agencies, do you attach a resume or give a short cover letter in addition to sending your portfolio? Or do you literally just send an informal "hey, I'm interested in doing work for you! Here's the link to my portfolio!"

[Anonymous No.3609214]

>>3604575
"how dare females exist and reside on my board! bunch of roasties! all women are the same reeee!" -pastey white virgin

[Anonymous No.3609232]

>>3604674

This desu.

A better way I've seen this put is
>Emphasize process and not outcomes.

Pie in the sky goals like "Paint a masterpiece" isn't actionable, has no meaningful route to succeed, and is inherently discouraging because it's such a long term goal

A goal like "Paint something once a week that requires you to draw at least one thing, in detail, that you've never drawn before" is actionable, and if kept up for 10 years would probably shit out a few masterpieces along the way anyways.

[Anonymous No.3609244]

>>3604573
This thread just solidifies the fact that if you aren't either a studio bitch or a patreon artist you just won't make it. You'd have better luck making money as a wagecuck if you've already spent this much time in the industry WITH formal education and still have a hard time finding work. You're just not cut out. Your boyfriend is right- be realistic. He's definitely considering leaving you if you keep being delusional and weak.

[Anonymous No.3609267]

>>3609244
I think a lot of artists in this board should just wagecuck while taking commissions as a side gig.

a job eventually drains you. if you turn your art into your job then it'll start to suck the life out of you

plus, you have to remind yourself that jobs can get you medical and retirement coverage that making art can't

[Anonymous No.3609273]

>>3609267
>I think a lot of artists in this board should just wagecuck while taking commissions as a side gig.
There aren't even a lot of artists in this board

[Anonymous No.3610994]

>>3609267
The idea is to use your art skills to get you a job at a company that can provide health and/or retirement benefits.

[Anonymous No.3611002]

>>3609213
I usually send a PDF where the first page is my CV and the remaining pages are a selection of my work. I tend to add/subtract pages depending on the position im applying to. I think it's the easiest way for them to browse your work because they just scroll through it and don't have to click on anything (believe me they're real busy up in there). I wouldn't attach any cover letters, no one has time to read that.
In the last line of my e-mail i usually say something like
>Upon request i can send you a recommendation letter from my last employer and my bachelor's diplomma
But so far no one has ever asked.
>>3609267
I have that covered now too. I registered my business and pay for my own social welfare every month

[Anonymous No.3611077]

>>3607790
that's probably just the art style the show has.

>>3604573
have a look (facebook, eventbrite, local art magazine ) and see if there are any animation meetups in your area. there's one for game devs near me.

[Anonymous No.3611127]

>>3608153
Do you rate your work hourly or give flat rates?

I heard it's better to charge hourly, but I've also heard stories where you have to prove that you actually worked on that project for those hours. I don't need a client to see a timesheet and question why I worked 9 hours on one day, and 12 hours the next.

[Anonymous No.3611135]

>>3611002
Thanks for your advice anon. I feel too many people give generic advice like "Just look up their email address and send your portfolio". Very little does anyone actually break down how to prepare that email to that client, how to show off your portfolio, the correct way to introduce yourself, etc.

It feels like in this day and age of job hunting, you have to make sure everything is right to the smallest details.

[Anonymous No.3611272]

Where's that work OP

[Anonymous No.3611819]

>>3611127
I use a daily rate, sometimes I charge for half a day. And yeah i have one regular client who asks me about the time i spent to log it into Everhour. Last time I charged them for 5 days of work and once the producer logged 40 hours, she asked me to send over the source files, even though the project was like 80% done. I really hated that and asked them not to log my hours again. Think I'd rather finish the project all by myself, even if it means working those 8 hrs for free.

Best case scenario is when the client tells you what budget they have and you just say yes or no. But that won't happen often.
>>3611135
Yea I thought that myself once. If i had zero experience in the industry before going independent there's no way I would have made it. If I manage to push through 1 full year of freelancing, think I'm gonna write a book or something. There's so much work out there for illustrators, animators and designers, but so few resources to tell you how to get it, quote it and manage it.

[Anonymous No.3612043]

>>3609267
This. An art job is just shit in terms of benefits, wage, and career/personal development, which was probably what op’s bf wanted to tell her. Even flippin’ Burgers at McDonald’s pay better wage than art jobs in certain countries. This is coming from someone with years of experience in the field and regrets staying as long as this.

[Anonymous No.3612061]

>>3604573
>2 years into my job
So you have at least two years experience
>Ive been trying to find a new job
Without success, you gotta lower that standard.
>I decided to go back to college to earn a Bachelor's degree to make me more employable
Not a bad choice, it should have given you enough time to build portfolio.
>Unfortunately I'm already 29
Nobody cares about that.

Stop the bullshit.
Take your work experience, best portfolio stuff and use your contact to find any art job. You are not in a position to be picky about jobs with this history. Disregard all the "parents made me" or "downward spiral" bullshit, nobody cares a single fuck about it.

Disregard bullshit advice like this
>>3612043
>>3609267
>turn your art into your job then it'll start to suck the life out of you
Unless you can handle art being your career then you shouldn't pretend to be a professional. Work experience is valued very high. Particularly if you're a storyboard artist and assuming you're just at 2-4 years experience and switching disciples, you wont have a ton of creative decisions on your table. You'll be in office just for production.

[Anonymous No.3613630]

>>3604573

John Nevarez got into the industry at 30/35 after failing out of STEM

Don't worry about age, just where you're at now. It only starts to matter if your health is failing you.

[Anonymous No.3615167]

Wow, I think this may have been the best art career advice thread we've had on this board in awhile.

[Anonymous No.3617387]

>>3604573
OP is a faggot?

[Anonymous No.3617410]

>>3617387
I'm definitely detecting hints of faggotry and a slight gay aroma