/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3601281]

vent your art related problems here. pic related

[Anonymous No.3601352]

I posted my drawings in 4 different threads and got literally zero criticism, while at the same time people were relentlessly arguing over the most stupid and irrelevant topics in /ic/
This board is utterly retarded

[Anonymous No.3601355]

>>3601352
I haven't gotten a (you) in so long, it hurts. not good enough to deserve praise, just not shit enough to justify a rant? idk because no one says anything

[Anonymous No.3601359]

I fucking hate fatego weebs

[Anonymous No.3601366]

>>3601355
Post something here, and I promise I'll give you at least four sentences of critique.

[Anonymous No.3601369]

>>3601366
ha, thanks!
Gonna post the same 4 drawings again, since I got 3 useless replies in other threads
1/4

[Anonymous No.3601371]

2/4

[Anonymous No.3601373]

3/4
It means deconstructing in portuguese

[Anonymous No.3601375]

4/4
I like lettering and calligraphy too

[Anonymous No.3601384]

W e w. Diverse selection. I'll do my best. Take everything I say with a grain of salt.

>>3601369
I love this one. Your lines are extremely smooth and confident, it immediately feels like it belongs in a professional piece, but it feels like experimenting a touch more with line-weight on the outer edges could give it more presence. As it is right now, it lacks presence, but it is extremely unified and dynamic-feeling. The concept is interesting too, I love the robotic aspect.
>>3601371
There's a lot of really good things and a lot of really bad things in this one. As far as overall composition and interest goes, I love the arrangement of the piece, but the proportions and anatomy needs work. Her head feels disembodied, her shoulders, hands, and knees are far too small for the perspective and torso, and some anatomical aspects of the two animals feel rushed. The line-weight and dynamism in this piece is extremely wanting.
>>3601373
I like this one! I have no experience in design, but it's got a very junta basura style that could easily pass for activist graffiti. Maybe play around with legibility here and there? I feel like the composition of some of those bones take away from the design, rather than add to it, but I can't explain how or why because I'm a brainlet.
>>3601375
Tied for favorite with the first picture. Maybe actual favorite. I adore this one. The value transition in pointillism is perfect with the arrangement of words, and the use of bubbles is absolutely incredible. The sense of dynamism is very real here because of the movement and line-weight in the bubbles, combined with the sparsity as the viewer's eyes move up. It feels like a very purposeful effect, like someone professional made this. My one criticism is the word itself. "Void" is not the word that comes to mind with these effects.

[Anonymous No.3601385]

>>3601384
I'll also add that the reason you probably didn't get many (you)s is part of the criticisms I had about your line-weight in these. Apart from the "Void" piece, none of these thumbnails really pop out at the viewer, despite how detailed and interesting the pieces are once you open them up.

[Anonymous No.3601393]

>>3601281
>shaky hands
never gonna get good

[Anonymous No.3601412]

>>3601385
>>3601384
Thanks a lot for spending some time to write these, I appreciate a lot
About the japanese woman drawing, I liked it a lot when I finished it last week, but after a couple of days I felt like something was weird but couldn't put my finger on it
But yeah, her head doesn't quite look like it belongs in her body
I don't know if the proportions are so wrong or if they all feel a bit strange because of the head, I'll try to fix it digitally and see if the rest comes together as one
But I still have a lot to improve on proportions anyway
I'll try to pay more attention to line weights, it'll certainly help a lot
I always end up drawing very thin lines, but using weight contrast in my favor will certainly make it more vivid
Thanks again for the criticism, I'll keep that in mind
>bonus drawing: quick fun lettering I made one of these days on a bright orange paper
I think I'll make some stickers out of it

[Anonymous No.3601487]

>Draw for fun
>Enjoy it
>Take requests, enjoy doing them
>Family finds out I'm doing free art, gets pissed and pressure me into doing commissions
>Stress from lack of comms

Ever since I started taking commissions for my dumb kink art I've enjoyed it way less. Cause now I'm always wishing I could get people to commission me more and instead of drawing what I want I'm spending more time trying to think of ways to boost my appeal and stressing that my work has some inherent flaw that drives people away.

[Anonymous No.3601650]

>>3601281

[Anonymous No.3601657]

i cant fucking draw

[Anonymous No.3601670]

>>3601369
cool
>>3601371
needs more anatomy. the hair looks great but the face and hands don't have solid construction. stag also looks kind of low budget anime, you could probably look at some more deer and stylise it more interestingly

overall nice

[Anonymous No.3601677]

i can't fucking paint

[Anonymous No.3601688]

I've become pretty methodical bout sketching every day but I keep ignoring my projects and don't like/never try spending longer than 2 hours on a piece. I just keep sketching from imagination or doing studies, but trying to do lineart or a colored piece drags my soul out of my body.

[Anonymous No.3601690]

>>3601371
you need to learn to adjust line width to the level of detail and the material >>3601369 the fine lines work very well here against the more thick parts of the body, but you made the fur and the kimono out of the same material on this second drawing, for example. Also anatomy, wtf. And drawing red rounded corners® rectangles is a very bland way of making a drawing look pretty ; if you like to delimitate geometrically, I suggest you look into Toppi.

>>3601281
I want to do comics but the local industry is fucking up, underpaying and overediting

[Anonymous No.3601698]

>>3601688
i, too, am pathalogically afraid of failure

[Anonymous No.3601700]

I can't think of a way to practice that's truly fun for me. It's not soul sucking, but it feels dull. I'm usually inspired to draw certain things, but since I'm terrible it'll look like shit and I get frustrated because I can't put my ideas to paper. So instead I'll read books and practice fundamentals, but drawing tons of Loomis heads isn't exactly engaging, even if it is a bit encouraging to see something come out that doesn't look like it was drawn by a toddler. Obviously the solution to git gud is to Just Do It™, but I wish I knew a way to make it truly engaging instead of feeling like an obstacle to overcome before I can actually enjoy myself.

[Anonymous No.3601749]

>>3601688
>>3601698
gotta change what's important in your braingrapes. Think about artistic production like you're working on a movie or something with deadlines and bigger issues than if it looks "perfect" or whatever. If you change your focus to "good enough" production and accept that mistakes happen, you generally find that you still end up making satisfying shit.

Nothing is perfect,
And anything is better.
Time is entropy.

[Anonymous No.3601754]

>>3601281
I can't study and draw for too long without checking 4chan or other forum
probably I still in the learning phrase and the materials and exercises are to a bit too dry for me but yeah I can't focus very long because it is quite boring

[Anonymous No.3601788]

>>3601700
This is going to be a problem your whole time drawing; treat the first attempt as a starting point and redraw it, but keeping in mind the changes you want to make.

[Anonymous No.3601795]

I hate how stiff my figures are. I don't want some Trigger-tier drawings, but I want something more dynamic. I'm also guilty of overcooking my drawings to the point where they lose all spontaneity.

[Anonymous No.3601798]

Started school recently and decided to take the drawing classes even though the teachers mentioned I demonstrated more than enough knowledge to ace the classes. A bunch of the kids in the class, around 17 or 18 years, a couple of them dual-enrolled, are so hungup on personal styles and have no idea what the general terminology for any of the art is. I often get remarks from them for saying values, construction, perspective, or even line weight and they bitch and moan for me to use simpler terms that they can understand. But when I simplify it and explain to them what I mean, they write it off and say they're not interested in it but clearly need to develop them.

I know they're just kids and it's okay to just draw what you want for fun, but a majority of them are interested in a future career in art and are way too focused on developing and cannibalizing styles of cartoons, anime and other wapanese artists to even improve. My sketchbook was filled with stuff for me to develop my knowledge of some of the fundamentals and practice compositions for bigger pieces and theirs were filled with pages of finished and colored works. They criticized me for not having finished pieces in my small diary sketchbook and focusing too much on how to draw while I noticed all the work in theirs never improved, did anything significant, or even change subject matter. Most of them were too afraid to draw both eyes on the head or even draw a character in a dynamic pose instead of the stiff standing pose in the center of the paper.

I'm aware I need to finally buckle down and finish a piece, but what's the point if I don't improve an iota over 2 years like they haven't?
Is it fair to dismiss them for being children fresh out of high school?

[Anonymous No.3601802]

>>3601281
Wish I could wrap my head around figures better and get good at connecting forms in an appealing and dynamic way fast, but I know mileage is really what I lack and there's no two ways about it, I just need to keep drawing and studying until it becomes second nature.

[Anonymous No.3601809]

>>3601670
Thanks for the words, I'll study more hands and face construction, and anatomy in general
About how to stylise the deer, I tried to make its lines clean and assertive, and let the sensation of fur up to the shading, giving it volume, shapes and texture
I'll try and vary it in the next drawings, but in this one it's just an aesthetic choice really

>>3601690
Hmm I'll pay more attention to textures, and how to use different line weights to convey different textures
I've never heard of Toppi before
Did a little research and he's amazing, thanks for the reference
The red rectangles were just because I liked the idea and wanted to try it out, I thought of making a series of illustrations with themes that just come to my mind (like these two) and use the red geometric forms as a way to fill the background, and play a little with the elements stretching out of the forms to make them more vivid
But I like how Toppi uses this concept, I'll try to incorporate some of it
Kinda reminds me of some stuff by Mike Mignola and how Frank Miller plays with the squares and margins in his comics

4chan won't let me post without an image [?] so here's an abstract texture I dida few months ago

[Anonymous No.3601817]

>>3601371
it's a nice drawing, but i feel that the fabric of the kimono reads as very wrinkled and unkempt. The sleeves feel nice and three-dimensional, but the lines that convey the drape of the garment are too short and curve too severely for it to appear graceful
great job on the bird

[Anonymous No.3601825]

>>3601802
I want to impregnate that thing

[Anonymous No.3601849]

>>3601749
thanks meme anon

[Anonymous No.3601852]

>>3601798
Leave them be. That's less competition for you

[Anonymous No.3601941]

>>3601393
you draw with your mind not your hand young one

[Anonymous No.3602157]

I can't color for shit
All i manage to get out is some awful looking pillow shading and it makes me mad

[Anonymous No.3602257]

Even when I just want to draw silly stuff for my own amusement with no intent on 'gittin gud' for once in my life I can't seem to do it. It seems that everything I draw HAS to work towards some sort of improvement when I just want to have fun with it for once

[Anonymous No.3602266]

>"artist" is the only interesting thing whatsoever I can say about myself
>don't actually draw that much to have much worth showing people
Introductions are hell.

[Anonymous No.3602311]

>>3602266
Hey, I'm pretty sure that's not true
You probably just don't realize you have other qualities, and that may be because you think they're either not worth telling or because you don't see them as interesting
If you're an artist, I'm pretty sure you have lots of good references (or at least you should)
Talk about things people can relate, or things that make people curious and interested
If you wanna be a good artist, you gotta have a nice repertoire, and it must be varied: movies, comics, music, poetry, literature, popular shows, artists, architectures, and all the other things you like to read about and watch and do
People like listening about stuff like these, and most of all people love talking about it (be a good listener)
Don't limit yourself by saying "I'm an artist" and feeling the need to show stuff to them, it's a conversation, not a job interview that asks you to show your portfolio
Btw post your stuff, let's see it

[Anonymous No.3602336]

>Naturally draws in a weird animesque style that's good for stylized cute girls and that's about it.
It pisses me off because I want to build a Western portfolio but this way of drawing will never bring me anywhere developmentally or towards my goal. Maybe I should just make a separate blog or something but I don't want to stunt myself further by doing a jarring switch between more realistic Western stuff and weeb shit if that makes any sense.

[Anonymous No.3602339]

not only do I same face when not using reference but they look like fucking ass because proportions are off

[Anonymous No.3604844]

>>3601281
Buuuuump

[Anonymous No.3604877]

>do gift are for someone
>they say they like it, but don't reblog them
>see them reblog gift art from other artists

It stings

[Anonymous No.3604881]

>>3604877
Jajajajaja loser.

[Anonymous No.3604884]

>>3601281
It took a passion and large chunks of time playing CSGO recently that has taught me to work smarter not harder. I wish it sunk in during the 3000 hours of dota 2 tho ; W;

[Anonymous No.3604906]

>>3601369
>>3601371
do you use ref?

[Anonymous No.3604909]

>>3604884
This looks like a photograph with a half assed paintjob. It's shit.

[Anonymous No.3604910]

I fucking hate all of my work, besides the time spend of it. Here's my gallery if someone wants to check it: http://cuestionador.deviantart.com

[Anonymous No.3604912]

>>3601281
>Started learning in digital, always draw digital
>traditional stuff looks sterile as fuck

[Anonymous No.3604925]

I want to be good at everything
but I cant even get good at one thing

[Anonymous No.3605073]

>>3604906
Sure
I have an idea of what I want to draw, sketch it roughly to set the idea, then I look up for pictures of the subjects I want to draw
After getting used to the characteristics of those pictures and I'll take their elements and translate them into my drawing

[Anonymous No.3605115]

>>3601371
i rly like what you are going for, style wise, but the drawing needs some improvement, take more time doing the shapes and anatomy

[Anonymous No.3605117]

>>3601375
would buy this 4 a shirt, very cool

[Anonymous No.3605130]

>>3604912
I have the exact opposite problem.

[Anonymous No.3605225]

>>3601281
i'm constantly dealing with the Modern Art Struggle- which can be described as
>someone makes extremely simple thing
>gets famous off minimal effort
>i could have made that
>"yeah but you didnt"

like the comic in OP, or the "oh no" comics, or the "badly drawn cats" twitter. i could have done that- but i didnt. i claim to be ~so creative~ and yet i didn't think of any of these things. in the end i have no one to blame but myself, but that just makes my failure even more sour.

[Anonymous No.3605228]

>>3601352
>while at the same time people were relentlessly arguing over the most stupid and irrelevant topics
yeah, that sounds about right

trad-painter fag has been derailing a lot of threads and i keep wondering when mods are gonna do something about him

[Anonymous No.3605241]

>>3601281
>tfw no art gf

[Anonymous No.3605244]

>>3601352
link it here, I'll give you some crit anon.

[Anonymous No.3605305]

>>3605228
/ic/ doesn't have mods.

[Anonymous No.3605312]

>"hurr durr I've been drawing for five hours and I can't draw like jung gi with no refs woe is me"
People who do this should be shot

[Anonymous No.3605350]

>>3605225
The best solution is to make enough decent art that you realize today's art scene is a sham based mostly on luck and connections.

[Anonymous No.3605373]

>>3601355
It's because once you're at an intermediate level /ic/ as a collective doesn't know what advice to offer to you.
Post something with blatantly bad anatomy or perspective and you'll get guaranteed (you)s, because that's what /ic/ has the most reliable knowledge about. For years what /begs/ have been told to study Loomis or DrawABox because that's the most widely available drawing resource here. That's why anatomy corrections are usually the only shit you'll get in replies.

[Anonymous No.3605436]

>>3601369
I really love this one. Not much to offer in terms of critique. It just looks good to me.
>>3601371
Head on the woman looks a little off. Not quite sure why, but it just seems a bit big for some reason. Her curled hand also looks a little misshapen.

[Anonymous No.3605444]

I get too impatient, especially when studying something. So I end up rushing and hating what comes out.

[Anonymous No.3605475]

>>3601281
I just cant get good :/

I've been trying for a couple of years now, and im still /beg/ tier. Hold me /ic/

Im just really struggling to learn anatomy/muscles, it sucks. I want to make good art, but man it's hard.

I also struggle just deciding "Okay, which pose are we going to draw"

[Anonymous No.3605766]

>>3605350
>today's art scene is a sham based mostly on luck and connections.
That's all careers and businesses outside of hard STEM.

[Anonymous No.3605774]

>>3601281
I always fucking procrastinate on projects.

i feel like if i get them completed before they're due, then i will just overwork them

so the time i have to turn it in functions as a forced "end" to my work

but it's fucking up my sleep schedule something fierce

[Anonymous No.3605780]

>>3605244
Thanks, I'd be glad
It's these drawings here:
>>3601369
>>3601371
>>3601373
>>3601375
>>3601412 (this one was very unpretentious, I'll make a sticker out of it 'cause it looks like fun)
>>3601809

>>3605228 who the fuck is that guy and why does he act like he's some sort of post-modern uncomprehended genius? It's absolutely clear nobody likes neither his art in here, nor his attitude, and at the same time he pretends he doesn't care although he clearly wants this board's approval
That's some serious Stockholm syndrome shit
>>3605305 I thought it had
It should have

[Anonymous No.3605816]

>Think of something to draw
>Google it
>Someone already did it before

What's the point of drawing when everything has been already made?

[Anonymous No.3605824]

>>3605816
>Kuune from Asobi ni Iku Yo
>with an innocent smile & slight head tilt
>at a beach, under the shade of a beach umbrella
>wearing a one-piece swimsuit, pulled down so her tits are out
>giving paizuri, but her tits are so huge, you can't even see the dick, just the semen oozing out the top and down the cleavage
>with the level of rendering of a robutts or eu03
Now that's something I'd like to draw; similar things have been done, but never that exact combination.
There is real value in doing something similar to another, but with a few key differences. The little details make all the difference. Otherwise, I'd never save more than one naked pose per anime girl.

[Anonymous No.3605837]

>>3605373
/ic/ basically points out anatomy-related mistakes and practical issues (like if you erase too much of your lines, or if you chicken-scratch a lot etc)
It's kinda like /p/: all they do is judge what lenses you're using (or, better said, which ones you own), if it's over/underexposed, and if they're extra confident they'll say something about visual hierarchy and if it's well composed
You'll most likely get no criticism on the subject you draw/photograph, on your idea, on what you're trying to express or anything like that
That's what I dislike the most in 4chan boards: it's 99% about technique and 1% (or less) about creativity
I'm not saying we should give up on technique and judge solely on the ideas, bur it could be more balanced
I find it way more amusing someone with incredible ideas who can draw well enough to put their ideas onto the paper than someone who draws hyperrealism but doesn't do anything more than copy a stupid photograph
Gottfried Helnwein makes hyper realistic art but it's extremely creative and way more than just photocopying, for example
And Frank Miller is a master in terms of creatively thinking and composing images, and he gets more liberty when drawing to conceive what he wants to say
>tl;dr we could balance technical quality and creative quality when giving criticism on /ic/

[Anonymous No.3605842]

>draw a bunch of shit
>too lazy to post shit online because of having to tag everything and post to 10 different fucking platforms all with different cultures and posting styles
>put it off
>draw more things next day
>now think shit yesterday looks like shit
>too lazy to post the shit I drew this day
>repeat
>fucking nothing ends up getting posted on any of my pages

[Anonymous No.3605850]

>used to think I was good
>best artist in my high school, college, local area, etc
>found the internet
>realize I suck
>still better than most people
>will never be happy with my own artwork again

[Anonymous No.3605865]

>>3605837
Drawing is a tool used to communicate. If you can't draw properly, you might have the best ideas in the world, no one will be able to understand them or care about them.

And since most of /ic/ can't draw for shit, complaining about most discussion being focused on technique rather than meaning is like expecting people to start telling stories when they haven't even learned to speak yet.

[Anonymous No.3605889]

>>3605850

Post art.....

[Anonymous No.3605891]

>>3605865
Did you even read what I wrote?
I think I'll have to step back indeed
/ic/ can't understand simple texts, let alone judge something as abstract as ideas and intentions in drawings
Baby steps, we'll get there someday, anon
Don't give up

[Anonymous No.3605940]

>>3601281
I don't get to show my sketchbook to a lot of people outside of my family and a few friends. They give the usual compliments and not a lot of critique. A person I use to show my sketchbook to was my therapist. Whenever I brought my sketchbook to draw in the waiting room, I would take it with me to the session. He would always ask to see what I drew. He would say how I should be a professional and all that other crap. Sometimes he would ask what all my drawings mean, how they relate to one another, or where I come up with them. One time I made a bunch of random doodles on one page. One of them was a poorly drawn nude woman woman putting on a cybernetic arm. He looked at with clear distraught and asked me what was going through my head when making this. I kept responding by saying they're just drawings I like to make and that they have no meaning. I had a feeling of fight-or-flight as if I was being personally attacked. I stopped showing him my sketchbook after that. It's not that I'm afraid of people saying my drawings are bad. I know you have to be willing to grow thick skin and put up with that. I just don't want people to build up mental profiles of me based on a few pieces of paper and use that to describe and judge my entire life and personality. It's bad when the internet does that and it's worse when people you know do the same. It kind of reminds of The Beginner's Guide and how Davey assumed his friend's feelings and personality based on his/her minimalist "games". Recently, my therapist asked me why I stopped bringing in my sketchbook. I told him how I felt and that his input was of no value to me at all (That's obviously a lie). He said he was sorry for offending me and that he meant no ill will. I'm thinking about bringing my book with me again. Was I being an oversensitive bitch? I guess I should stop worrying about what others think of me. Maybe that is my problem.

[Anonymous No.3605946]

I can't draw for 3 hours straight without doing useless chores or getting distracted for 10 min.

[Anonymous No.3605962]

>>3601281
Please help /ic/ as a kid I really loved to draw random and usually stupid shits that kids would love to draw but lately I've realized that I'm losing my aim in drawing. It feels like I draw only for attention or confirmation from other people, I don't nearly enjoy drawing anymore as I used to, add to that is ever since I became a weeb I lost all drive of drawing anything that isn't uguu kawaii shit, anime has fucking killed my creativity and motivation. I take drawing as something very important and I'd hate to lose my love in it, I want to keep drawing for my own enjoyment but it grows harder by the day. Please, help.

[Anonymous No.3605963]

>>3601281
I'm really starting to wonder if I even like drawing anymore. I really don't want to tell myself I don't like it. What else do I have?

[Anonymous No.3605984]

Please convince me that i don't need CSP
i have SAI but i suddenly got this weird need to get CSP because I think it'd make my art look better (obviously not true, I know, that's just what my dumbass brain is telling me)
Just tell me I'll be shit with any program and that I can wait until I have more than 2 dollars to my name to get CSP

[Anonymous No.3605987]

>>3605984
you have to get it, its what all the weebs are using. you cant weeb without it.

[Anonymous No.3605989]

>>3605987
I'm fucking broke

[Anonymous No.3605995]

>>3605228
>>3605780

Why are the worst posters on this board always traditional painters (Illustrat, Chumbum, Brian, Jimmy, etc)? You would think the anime or furry posters would be the worst but it's actually the complete opposite.

Is it because they believe using traditional painting mediums makes them "superior" to every other artist on this board so they don't think they need to bother learning fundamentals? I know that the best digital artists on the "Draw" and even "Porn" threads could create better paintings then them if they ever spent a little time to learn to use Oils/Acrylics because they have better knowledge of fundies.

[Anonymous No.3605999]

>>3605984
If you want to try something that's better than Sai but almost as lightweight just try Medibang.

If you're looking for a free art program closer to Photoshop try Krita. CSP is like a "mix" between Sai and Photoshop.

[Anonymous No.3606002]

>>3605999
Isn't medibang just firealpaca but with a dark theme? I'm not a fan of how the brushes in fa work but I'll think about it. I never considered krita because i always heard that it had a lot of problems or whatever but that was years ago, what interests me about CSP is the assets and materials, so if Krita has similar options when it comes to brushes and stuff then I'll try it, thanks

[Anonymous No.3606027]

>>3605837
That'd turn into a total shit fight though and it would just give the crabs one more thing to crab about.
>bad ideas ngmi
It's also pretty hard to tell what idea you're trying to express by just looking at your image and if you want that kind of critique you probably need to explicitly ask for it and say what you're try to express.

>>3605940
This is probably just a misunderstanding and I wouldn't worry about it:
>a poorly drawn nude woman woman putting on a cybernetic arm
Because it's poorly drawn it might have looked like something really gory from his perspective, like the woman was ripping her arm off or something. Although I guess you probably explained what it was, I dunno he's probably just a fucking normie who's never seen a picture of a naked woman putting on a prosthetic arm before. I don't think people are so quick to judge, personally I only really judge the people who have a massive deviant art account full of weird shit, and one picture isn't going to change people's opinions of you.

>>3605984
Just get the free trial or some shit and try it out and if you really want it then pirate it

[Anonymous No.3606031]

I got this sick digital painting technique that looks pretty nice and is really fast, and it doesn't seem like anyone else is doing the same thing as me. How do I keep my techniques secret once I become a pro?

[Anonymous No.3606036]

>>3605984
even if you did want to buy it, you'd be better off waiting for a sale

[Anonymous No.3606037]

>>3606002
https://medibangpaint.com/en/cloud/

The biggest advantage of Mediabang over FireAlpaca is "Medibang cloud". It has a ton of extra brushes/assets available to download when you make a Medibang account. It has assets/materials available for download like CSP, bit CSP probably has a ton more.

>never considered krita because i always heard that it had a lot of problems or whatever but that was years ago,

Krita has really improved over the years especially since 4.0 was released a couple of months ago and they introduced multi threaded brushes to improve the performance a bit. But Krita isn't as lightweight as Medibang or Sai and the text editor is still kind of awkward if you're planning on creating comics with it. I often use Medibang just for it's advance text editor.

This is the best "manga" coloring/inking brush set for Krita to me.

https://gumroad.com/l/tgDgj

[Anonymous No.3606038]

for the moment i stay in a sober living house with 10 other people so i never have privacy. try going to the library and its full of loud obnoxious people. got nothin but time so ive just been watching movies and reading. wanna draw but someone is always bothering me. pic related is some skulls i drew before i got kicked out of my apartment.

[Anonymous No.3606039]

>>3606038
Those are dope.You use any particular resources to learn?

[Anonymous No.3606048]

I can't line. My lines are always bad, whatever I try.
Obviously it's a get good/draw more problem, but it's so frustrating for me right now.

[Anonymous No.3606102]

No one knows I draw, I don't even know why it bothers me as much as it does. Stuff doesn't usually get to me because I'm stupid but this isna bit idk

I could spend hours caved in my room practicing or doing commissions then leave to be treated like a pathetic videogame/anime addict by my family, because that's what they think I do.
I hate the way they see me, it's gotten to the point where I'd take the car and pretend I'm going to meet friends on weekends just so I don't have to feel them outside my room

I don't even know why I'm so scared of showing them my stuff, I'm already a disappointment.

[Anonymous No.3606112]

>>3606102
I dont know how old you are, but if youre serious enough about it, eventually people are going to find out. Its not really a big deal. Its the same as anything else. Regardless, I feel like I cannot relate to 99% of humanity. My passion for art reinforced that.

[Anonymous No.3606129]

For some reason going ham on my fundamentals and really taking art seriously is bringing up all sorts of childhood trauma, it's incredibly painful and I'm scared it'll make me hate drawing. Drawing is really the only thing that has ever truly kept me alive and if I can't draw I won't have anything left.

[Anonymous No.3606143]

>>3606037
yikes

[Anonymous No.3606323]

I can't keep a fucking blog.
I always abandon it after ~10 or so posts.
I want to make a new one and really try this time, but the idea of spending drawing time searching for artists/tags to follow for promotion is just so exhausting.

A friend of mine just got offered a gallery spot in New York because an art director found her insta. Big break, right there. The importance of having a good blog just slapped me in the face and I'm still sitting here trying to find the motivation to sign up.

[Anonymous No.3606382]

>>3605995
anime posters and furries at least get bullied into submission by their peers on the internet

traditional painters get their dick rubbed by irl peers all day long and think that treatment will transfer over to this board

[Anonymous No.3606400]

>>3605850
>>3605889
jarretthmartin on tumblr

I've done more than anime art, but my current bent is to git gud at animation.

[Anonymous No.3606403]

>>3605984
A bad artists blame their tools.
Try drawing good on MS Paint. The tool shouldn't matter.

[Anonymous No.3606406]

>>3605995
>Why are the worst posters on this board always traditional painters (Illustrat, Chumbum, Brian, Jimmy, etc)?
The only people willing to eat shit from a bunch of malignant retards tend to also be malignant retards
>You would think the anime or furry posters would be the worst but it's actually the complete opposite.
Yeah they're generally pretty chill.
>Is it because they believe using traditional painting mediums makes them "superior" to every other artist on this board
I mean there's something to be said about actually mixing paint and doing a physical medium. I don't really have a problem with digimon artists EXCEPT for when they start trying to say that digital is "harder" or refuse to do anything other than digital etc
> so they don't think they need to bother learning fundamentals?
I mean all 4 of the ninja turtle tradfags that you called out generally understand "the fundamentals." You act like fucking loomis and basic color theory is some deep unexplored meme, when it often comes off as kids that literally only know "the fundamentals" and just reeeee about them when they don't know what else to say.
>I know that the best digital artists on the "Draw" and even "Porn" threads could create better paintings then them
A lot of them probably can't or would get super discouraged and go back to digimon. You can't edit+undo on canvas. I know Brian used to do digimon. I used to do digimon. It's WAY easier and faster and more efficient, and there's no consequences for fucking up. Loomis doesn't help you mix paint.

I would STRONGLY recommend you get some paints and cheap canvasses and expand your horizons. Traditional is not anywhere near as easy as you guys think it is.
>because they have better knowledge of fundies.
Everyone understands the fucking fundies. Very few of you are willing to appreciate subversion or anything in art educationor theory that comes AFTER you learn the fundamentals, which is why a lot of you struggle with the tradfags.

[Anonymous No.3606408]

>>3605850
>>3606400
>still better than most people
i'd say you're a little further back on that graph, buddy

[Anonymous No.3606410]

>>3605073
thats maybe the reason why my drawings suck
i have an idea then i draw it from imag
looks like shit do this for 5 years now

[Anonymous No.3606412]

>>3601281
>be /beg/ tier since 6 years
>feelsshitman
>want to give up because it hurts to see me fail everytime
>a week later
>pick up pencil again because i love it anyway
>rinse and repeat
when will this cicle stop?

[Anonymous No.3606415]

>>3606382
>traditional painters get their dick rubbed by irl peers all day long
lol no. The most abusive anons here are other tradfags it seems like.

Like yeah, I can show my goofy meme faces to my mom without her thinking I'm a disgusting pervert. That's part of why I never got into drawing faces and not animu squirrels getting fucked by squids or whatever. That has nothing to do with the medium being "traditional" and a ton to do with the subject matter being "fucking embarrassing." So furryfags are a lot nicer to each other than tradfags because they see each other as fellow travelers in a hostile world. While tradfags seem to all think they're competing.

[Anonymous No.3606420]

>>3606408
Most people means I'm good enough to make money teaching beginner art classes and tutor people. I didn't say better than most artists or better than most people on /ic/. I'm actually worse than most people on /ic/ They are all toward the end of the Dunning Kruger scale for the most part.

[Anonymous No.3606426]

>>3606412
never

[Anonymous No.3606429]

>>3606420
>teaching
anon please be joking
you can say you baited me just please be joking

[Anonymous No.3606435]

>>3606429
I've teach classes at a local shop every Monday and Wednesday.

[Anonymous No.3606439]

>>3606429
>>3606435
I*

[Anonymous No.3606441]

>>3606426
welp, gonna die with a pencil in my grip

[Anonymous No.3606442]

>>3606406
>I would STRONGLY recommend you get some paints and cheap canvasses and expand your horizons
dude, you COPY PHOTOS using GRIDS.

[Anonymous No.3606448]

>>3606415
>While tradfags seem to all think they're competing.
nah, it's more you making a mockery of our craft.

[Anonymous No.3606450]

>>3604910
This is utter shit, drill fundies

[Anonymous No.3606457]

>>3606408
oh come on anon, he's shit but he can ape surface aspects of animu decently enough to impress normies. certainly i''ve seen worse shit in the draw thread.

[Anonymous No.3606556]

>>3601281
Idk what to do with my life
I decided to just do art, and while I will go to uni in a year I still have a year left to do stuff other than get a job and self improve...

But I really don't know whats my lifes calling.... I don't like to draw but I like art an I want to learn it ....but I just cant be arsed to sit down and do the work . Though nowadays I drew more and more as I was learning but I still can't really be arsed to do it on the daily.
You may say that this is not my lifes calling...Then what is ? Theres nothing that really catches my mind like "oh yeah this is what I want to do all the time" , I sit at home and waste my time away with playing games...I'm bored all the time and I just don't know...

So I usually force myself to at least study the basic stuff in drawing ... I don't really want to stop with art cuz then I won't have anything to do in my life ...

maybe its the addiction , maybe my anxiety that me parents can see what I draw when I draw it sux ass. I have anxiety about not having enough time to learn art because I will have to get a job and do improve on my already shitty life .

Also I really don't have any ideas to draw, mostly I used to think about landscapes and stuff, is that weird? Is it weird that I'm not really interested in drawing anime girls or humans in general? Though it would be good to draw humans sometimes in some of the scenes I could be making , concept arts used to fire my neurons...


help

[Anonymous No.3606560]

>>3606410
I draw a lot from imagination too
Even with references you have to use your imagination, it's not a copying process
References are there for you to get elements and work them out using imagination
I haven't been drawing much, but most of the time I draw from imagination and you'll see even those drawings get way better when you have lots of references (even if it's in your head)
Post your drawings here, anon, let us see it

[Anonymous No.3606568]

>>3606556
Making art is not the only way of having art in your life
I don't mean to take you away from drawing (I actually think you should keep drawing and doing studies and drawing whatever you want, even if it's landscapes, there's no problem with that), but maybe you're just seeing the situation through a distorted lenses
Ever thought maybe you could be an art critic, a connoiseur, an art historian, something like that?
Read art books, get to know about art, build a solid art background
And you can be an art critic without knowing how to draw a stick figure (though it'll help you understand art better), you only have to have a critic look at art and know what you're talking about
Just think about it, and don't stop drawing if that's what you like

[Anonymous No.3606582]

>>3606568
I mean yeah , art history and stuff about art can be interesting I would like to learn about that but I can't manage my time ,one time I do this and that , the other time I want to watch this and read that but I don't have time so I put em in some list to other stuff I want to watch and never watch em in the end


The thing is that I'm not really good at anything else , I'm not good at maths which bases most of the university majors. So I dreamt of becoming a professional artist in the next 10 years while I work in another job ,but I learn so slowly that this wont be possible.
Originally I want to become a translator cuz I have some affinity for languages....Though now that I think of it I never finished any language I started to learn...now I started to learn one language and I want to keep going with it for years and years
I want to finish something in my life
and y'know, I don't want to die of hunger , so I want to do translation until I get gud at art

But then , translation as a job is on the verge of death and becoming is a professional artist is quite the riddle as far as I've heard...
Idk my life is a mess
how do I fix this

[Anonymous No.3606850]

>>3606420
Those of us who ar bad just don't post here

[Anonymous No.3606864]

>>3606448
>our craft
>muh tribalism

[Anonymous No.3606945]

>>3605989
https://youtu.be/q6oKjuvA55g

[Anonymous No.3606950]

>>3601281
vetyr keeps liking my shit but wont follow back

[Anonymous No.3606961]

My big rock to get over currently is that I feel like I can get a decent grip on the structure of things (people, rooms, etc.) if I'm looking at them, but I fall apart when it comes to drawing peeps from imagination, or resort to just drawing heads when freesketching because I'm uncomfortable with drawing bodies.

I'm of the mind that I really need to drill on breaking down bodies into structures, and I'm admittedly getting somewhere, but it's a slow process, but there's no way around that, it can just get really disheartening at times.

[Anonymous No.3606968]

>learning to draw
>start with basics, how to draw lines, arcs, box perspective, etc.
>time to graduate on to drawing people and shit
>suddenly crash and burn with basic construction and anatomy
>everything feels wrong, nothing is clicking like how it did before
>all these damn books aimed at beginners are basically registering as pic related to my brain
>even loomis is hurting my head
What am I missing? Why isn't this shit clicking? I don't want to be that faggot that can draw a box but can't grasp basic anatomy

[Anonymous No.3606971]

>>3601281
I've spent the last decade self studying art rigorously and I think I've reached the point where there is about nothing left to understand about it. Composition perspective lighting line work brush strokes and styles you name it and I can just get it. The problem with this though is now that I've reached the point where it all makes sense and have fuck all to left to really understand because the fundamentals i've learned sort of explain each other. I can still practice and hone my skill but I think i find that boring because I've started to get bored with art and honestly my artwork has gotten worse overtime because I just can't stay interested.

I'm wanting to stop drawing because I feel like I've hit a dead end. I always thought there would be infinite things about art that would be uniquely interesting but I actually don't know what to think anymore. this is an abstract feel

[Anonymous No.3606973]

>>3606968
Let me guess. Drawabox?

[Anonymous No.3606974]

>>3606973
...Yes

[Anonymous No.3606988]

>>3606971
post your work

[Anonymous No.3606990]

>>3606974
Try Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson.

[Anonymous No.3606993]

>>3606988

[Anonymous No.3607029]

It makes me feel sad when I post a drawing that I really put my effort in making it and I get the most sterile criticism on it, oh and dont forget when they acuse you of dont studying loomis or gesture, no matter how much I study it My drawings seem to tell the opposite

[Anonymous No.3607030]

>>3607029
How much do you draw?

[Anonymous No.3607031]

>>3606974
>>3606968
It's time to copy and study other artists, not boxes

[Anonymous No.3607039]

>>3606968
I feel you, anatomy is tricky
>just study hampton bro

everytime

[Anonymous No.3607068]

>>3604877
damn

[Anonymous No.3607069]

>>3602336
>fell for the anime drawing meme
Your fault weeb

[Anonymous No.3607195]

>>3606971
start thinking in terms of 'the piece i produce'. and learn what you need to make those pieces. learning art is about realising and applying things your subconcious already knows. you're not smart because you read a book on composition without drooling, every moron can do that, you're smart if you make pieces people actually want to look at.

[Anonymous No.3607200]

>>3606968
The human body is the toughest subject to draw known to man because we look at humans every day and are very familiar with our own bodies, so every single person (you included) is going to be more critical than with any other thing you draw.

Start simple, this thread has a lot of basic models for construction: >>3606434
>>3606434
>>3606434

Remember the basic rule for drawing anything is going from general to specific/finding the "total" before going into detail. If you can put down a confident stickman representation of what you want, you can draw the body by building up on it.

Art is done in iterations.

[Anonymous No.3607205]

>>3606971
Let's say your claims are true.
Drawing isn't powerlifting. Get educated and get good taste, you're doing art

[Anonymous No.3607264]

I want to draw
I am too jealous to draw
I can't look at any of my own work without immediately comparing it to other people I know
Fuck

[Anonymous No.3607365]

I have some technical competence but it seems like my art is boring unappealing shit considering how little attention and following I get.

[Anonymous No.3608086]

>>3607264
drawing bad stuff is still better than no drawing at all

[Anonymous No.3608164]

>>3606945
not him but as far as I know you can't use the assets with cracked CSP and that's like... a big part of the appeal of csp

[Anonymous No.3608239]

>>3606406
>>3606442
>>3606448

I see that a lot of this guy's posts and threads have been deleted on /ic/. It looks like the mods are finally starting to do something about this cancer and hopefully permanently banned him.

I wonder if he'll try to ban evade?

[Anonymous No.3608255]

>>3601281
I asked how much my art was worth for commission and got an answer that I didn’t like.

Starting tomorrow I’m going to try to use my sketchbook more often just to have more practice so that my art doesn’t look so stilted and so I can finish shit in less than a week.

[Anonymous No.3608267]

>>3601352
>>3601355
Posting art on online profiles is pretty similar for me.

>>3601369
>>3601371
>>3601373
>>3601375
Bruh, these are fucking nice. The only reason I don’t have crits is just because I don’t have the expertise for it, aside from anatomy, that stands out as something that you could definitely stand to improve. But I really like the subject matter and how you use pens and markers.

>>3601385
>thumbnailing
God there’s so much to learn but every day that I don’t post a thing the internet pie is shrinking.

>>3601690
The comics and animation industries both seem fucked up. I have a handful of friends who are into animation and we’re wanting to found a studio ourselves to try and get around some of that bullshit. Still not sure how good of a plan that is, but it’s better than waiting around for a studio to just scoop us up. If nothing else we’ll have a body of work to make a portfolio out of.

[Anonymous No.3608409]

>Get commission request
>Its for an OC that's utterly hideous

The thing that makes it really bad is that its because of one really weird design element that i know 99% of my audience won't like. But I'm worried if I ask the requester if I can make an alt without it they'll flip out.

[Anonymous No.3608416]

>>3608409
You could always just make it without sharing it on your blog. Artists don't always post the commissions they make.

[Anonymous No.3609129]

How the fuck does Krita brush selection work
I use the button on my pen that makes that wheel of brushes come up but it's a different range every time
Like, the paint category especially seems to change, the primary brushes I use have about a half chance of appearing in that category

[Anonymous No.3609329]

>>3608267
>I really like the subject matter and how you use pens and markers
Thanks a lot! I got lots of C&C in this thread and it all encourages me to keep drawing more and get better
And it's good to know what is faulty on my drawings (gotta study anatomy of course)

And about founding a studio: do it
I was working with a few friends of mine on some graphic projects, I made some calligraphy posters and letterings for some of the zines
The boys made lots of comics, they all lived together and they would draw all day everyday, I'd go visit them often
We went to lots of underground and independent fairs, sold our works, spoke to a bunch of people who made comics, we would exchange books and share advices and references, it was cool as fuck
Go for it, know the local artists, make comics that stand out among the numb superhero magazines
And don't get stuck inside your own medium: you need references from everywhere
Talk to people, go out, read poetry and novels and comics too, know art, architecture, music, watch dance spectacles, broaden your knowledge, and make comics that speak to the people
I'm sure it'll work out fine
There's a market for underground comics, it's growing and it's fun as hell

[Anonymous No.3609954]

>>3605984
K R I T A

[Anonymous No.3609968]

>>3601281
"The Wacom Pro model has been fixed the usb doesn't break anymore!"
>Buy wacom pro
>bretty gud for a while
>fucking usb breaks
>restricted to wireless only
>wireless has a bug that crashes computer
>tablet is now a glorified placemat

FUUUUUUUCCKKKKK

[Anonymous No.3609974]

My stupid ass took art college right out of high school thinking it would be informative and help make connections and it is not. The other people in my class draw like absolute dog shit, to the point where even my kiss ass professors have to finally make some sort of critique. I'm convinced it's a degree mill and I dunno if I should continue on with art school or drop out entirely.

[Anonymous No.3610002]

>>3609974
lmao you picked the wrong kind of art school. RIP.
It's something like art institute right? Those ARE fucking degree mills but not every school is one, mind you.

You should drop out and go to a real school. Look for technical schools or ateliers, especially places that give certifications but not degrees (degrees require math, history, etc that you dont need) that have good curriculum (focused on just drawing all day, business classes, fundamentals and real skills).

[Anonymous No.3610008]

>>3608267
>God there’s so much to learn but every day that I don’t post a thing the internet pie is shrinking.

On the other hand, there's never been a better time to get noticed.

With so much content and fandoms, it's hilariously easy to find people to piggyback off of and network with. Just sprinkle fanart of things you like in with the rest of your original stuff. If you do it regularly, you'll have an audience before you know it.

[Anonymous No.3610013]

>>3610002
It's the art institute online yeah. It's such shit. I think I am gonna go to a technical school.

[Anonymous No.3610016]

>working on commission
>get insanely depressed by personal problem
>can't motivate myself to keep working

This sucks. I get that this can be a problem with all kinds of work but art feels a lot harder to just force yourself through without mangling the end product.

[Anonymous No.3610017]

it would be cool if real life was an rpg there was a quantifiable metric I could look at in an ancient tome which showed me I was getting better at something

[Anonymous No.3610019]

>>3610013
If you like the online aspect you can try new masters academy, but only if you can actually study on your own time and keep at a good pace every day.

I definitely recommend looking for a technical school though, I went to one and they're great.

[Anonymous No.3610028]

>>3610016
Well stop letting your personal life interfere with work dude. If you can't finish commissions on time that's a good way to piss people off and make them never want to pay for your work again.

Stick it out and force yourself to draw anyways. If you know what you're doing you're not going to mangle it anyways man. And the only way to figure that shit out is lots of practice.

TLDR finish your shit on time or don't take commissions until you deal with your depression shit

[Anonymous No.3610066]

I haven't beenreally drawing for almost a year (my excuse is feeling like shit and workload), barely a shit doodle here and there, and my skills have scarily deteriorated. I'm now at the point I was 2-3 years ago and not killing myself only because then I won't get any better. Don't be me.

[Anonymous No.3610346]

I'm Pretty new to art. Friends have complimented me saying I'm doing pretty good for a beginner but how inconsistent my art is Annoys me. And Also before I got on that Art Grind(tm) It looked cuter but now it just looks so off.

[Anonymous No.3610559]

>>3610346
Don't focus on making your art style consistent. It'll get consistent on it's own as you keep drawing (and it'll get consistent faster if you draw more). One nice thing about fundies to is that it makes it easier to diagnose the problem with your art. If something's off, something's wrong.

Right now you're in the art equivalent of pic related. As long as you know what you want to convey and focus on getting there, you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.3610903]

I'm sick of artists drawing two left feet and acting like no one but footfags actually care. It also happens with hands, but it's very telling the artist doesn't make studies or observations to avoid this trap.

I also hate that artists don't internalize the rules of when something is the artist's viewer's left/right and when it's the figure's left/right because those change positions depending on where the figure is facing. Example: If a character is designed to be left handed and the artist draws their weapon on the right hand because they internalize said logic from looking themselves in a mirror, therefore that hand must be the left hand.

The worst is when accomplished or desirable artists fuck up in this regard and refuse to be told their fucked up for whatever reason. Just get the fuck over yourselves and re-plasticize your brains for once.

[Anonymous No.3610906]

>>3610903

[Anonymous No.3610910]

>>3610346
are you just realising how bad you were or has study squashed an interesting edge your work had

[Anonymous No.3610913]

>>3610906
Don't trivialize shit you don't care about, because you wouldn't like it if it happened to you.

[Anonymous No.3610930]

>>3610913

[Anonymous No.3611073]

>>3602336
draw from life!

[Anonymous No.3611080]

>>3606556
speaking from personal experience. it seems like your life is TOO SAFE! TOO COMFY! so you will never really change anything. even if you do change, it wount be deep enough and you will continue to float above comfort - which isnt really comfort -

You need to know whats at stake. Your time/life. Time you will never get back.

[Anonymous No.3611125]

OP's picture is definitely accurate. This board has hundreds of permanently-butthurt, mentally ill NEETs who do nothing but lurk /ic/ every waking moment for the sole purpose to write passive aggressive replies to people who make completely inoffensive, tame posts and obviously seek improvement. I'd like to ditch this shit hole entirely but the frustrating part is 1/10 of the time you'll get a decent crit on a piece so there is a tempting reason to continue posting here despite the emotionally disturbed freaks that incessantly tear down any work no matter how much merit it is, no matter how polite and acquiescent the poster is, for no discernible reason they will REEE nonstop. Literal subhumans.

[Anonymous No.3611157]

>>3601369

Couldn't unsee it; you accidentally made an O'reilly cover

[Anonymous No.3611171]

>>3604877
>Do gift art for someone
>Get a reply from them
>”nice”
>They retweet/reblog other gift art and write a lot about what they like about the art, thanking the artists

[Anonymous No.3611175]

>>3611125
I take it, you are enjoying your first 3 days on the internet (That's a joke by the way).
In this environment, you have to learn to not takes things personally and move on to someone else if they're not helping you.

[Anonymous No.3611198]

I would really like to be a good artist but it makes me depressed to actually try drawing because it looks so bad. I can't deal with the fact that I'll never actually be good no matter what I do because there's always someone younger and better.

[Anonymous No.3611300]

>>3611198

It's not time having drawn, it's focused practice drawn.

Somebody grinding specific things repeatedly is going to be better at them in a month then somebody who fucked around without focus for 5 years on dozens of things.

[Anonymous No.3611307]

>>3611198
Also, aim to compete against yourself, not others, because you're mixing up independent and dependent variables.

Your learning is independent: you control your practice schedule, what you do during it, and in what ways you improve your art technique and how you learn new ones.

You don't control how good others are.

Therefore focusing on maxing out your input as the metric of success is way healthier, because it's something you always win on if you're putting the time in, whereas you may not get a win for months or years (While you get good) if you're focused on besting someone besides yourself

[Anonymous No.3611782]

Something to remember about art is your ideas matter as much as your skill. Even if you'll never be as good at art as someone that started before you, you still have different ideas than them. You can express your unique ideas in art. And maybe you'll say "well I don't have any good ideas" well I say that's bullshit. Coming up with good ideas takes time and you have to actually think about shit. Once you start doing this on a regular basis coming up with ideas is actually super easy; you just have to realize that it takes effort.

I feel like people that say they have no unique ideas either refuse to make an effort to imagine them or just won't admit they prefer the easy comfort of drawing generic fanart/doing endless life studies.

[Anonymous No.3611859]

How is the following a "9:37 minute loop"!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_n2kfqNmpY
http://www.janineantoni.net/touch/
http://global.oup.com/us/companion.websites/9780190225148/ch4/color/

[Anonymous No.3611895]

>>3604912
Started doing digital, dropped traditional completely.

[Anonymous No.3612012]

>>3604910
kys faggot

[Anonymous No.3612771]

I draw one picture, get a complement, go "Holy shit I'm naturally talented at this!" then never draw again for fear of losing my talent and imagination. If I don't get any complements then I stop drawing for months at a time and if I get any criticism at all I flip the fuck out and get really defensive.
I feel like I'm getting less creative as I'm getting older, and creativity is one of the most important things in the world to me. Fuck man I'm crying IRL right now. I'm scared of looking at art other people make because I look at it and go "holy shit, this is amazing, even my wildest dreams pale in comparison to it" and discourage myself. On the other side I hate seeing people with less talent and creativity than me make it because they wanted it more.

[Anonymous No.3612773]

>>3601369
I would get this tattooed on my body

[Anonymous No.3612780]

>>3601487
I feel you. I hate doing commissions but I'm struggling financially so I feel like I should be doing them?? Ugh...

[Anonymous No.3612813]

>>3612780
>tumblr punctuation

Begone, thot.

That being said, do them if you can actually deliver. If nothing else, you can save that cash for an emergency.

[Anonymous No.3612819]

>>3612780

I don't really hate doing commissions themselves. What I hate is trying to GET them. I'm not popular or skilled enough so if I want more consistent commissions I have to shill and that just feels so scummy.

>>3612813

>tumblr

Seriously? Wtf is with some people calling everything reddit or tumblr.

[Anonymous No.3612820]

>>3605837
If /ic/ starts judging people based off of the quality of their creativity and whether their thoughts are genuinely worth putting the time and effort to express them visually then the entire board is going to confront the harsh truth that almost none of them are going to make it and if they aren't having fun then they're just wasting time.

[Anonymous No.3612825]

>>3612819
Ah yeah, that is true too. I hate shilling and advertising but how else do you get notoriety?bleh

[Anonymous No.3612834]

>>3612819
If you make a blogpost explaining you need money and are opening commissions, and you reblog it every few days, you should be fine.

[Anonymous No.3612840]

>>3612773
Thanks a lot, this is a huge compliment! It motivates me to draw more (and more often), thank you

[Anonymous No.3612900]

>>3612840
Good! I love your style. Sorry if you posted it already but do you have a blog?

[Anonymous No.3612943]

>>3601798
I picked up some classes at the local college for a few semesters and I know this feel. I wasn't doing any art courses, but you see these people around in the common areas and if you have a sketchbook it's like pulling out a magnet for them to come and talk.

I'm by no means a master artist, but I try to put the effort in. I always try to push my character drawings to put my characters in dynamic poses, draw from unique angles, and create new characters following all kinds of advice from various pro books. I'd say that like 99% of the kids who came up to me with sketchbooks were drawing basic bitch anime characters who were standing lifelessly, heads at a straight on or 90 degree angle. Arms and legs were just tubes. Very sad stuff.

At the very beginning I tried super gentle critique like suggesting they pose the characters more interestingly or try some figure drawing for a while and incorporate it into their art, but they all REEEE'd hard about how it was a "stylistic choice!" so I stopped.

People don't know how to handle critique and "it's my style!" is a lame mask. If they truly had a unique style, they wouldn't have to tell people. Pic related is in the spirit of what I saw a lot of.

[Anonymous No.3612963]

>>3601795
I have the same problem with stiff poses. I've been looking up stuff of point of bakance, arching the back, and wgat makes a dynamic picture. Something I've been trying is not drawing the head where i usually do (top middle of the paper), and starting out the sketch in a different spot on the paper. Hope this helps even a little bit

[Anonymous No.3612978]

>>3612834

I did that once and I was actually really surprised how many people reblogged it. Even artists I'd never seen favorite my work ever did it.

>>3612825

Eventually if you are established enough you can just say you have commission slots open and they'll fill up without you having to do anything.

One thing about commissions is that a lot of people will be repeat customers if you treat them well.

[Anonymous No.3613014]

>Go on drawthread
>See really interesting request
>I could make something really good
>Screenshot it
>Put it in folder
>Forget about after a while
Never leave anything like this on the back-burner.

[Anonymous No.3613039]

>>3601281
My art problem is that no matter how good I get at drawing, I still have a fucking mountain of learning to do once I need to convert my files to digital and clean them up / add shit on Photoshop. Rendering it's called I think. It might be fun no doubt but I hate knowing I'm still far from making it.

[Anonymous No.3613044]

>>3612943
Thank god for your last line, I was reading this post about pushing boundaries and offering critique to other people thinking it was your drawing and I was kind of feeling sad and laughing at the same time.

[Anonymous No.3613058]

>>3612943
she's cute Anon! lewd her

[Anonymous No.3613069]

>>3607365
Attention does not equal skill. I've seen artists with primary school tier skill art and people praise it, while high quality pieces barely get any recognition.

[Anonymous No.3613119]

>>3601798
>>3612943
This. Fucking this.
I'm in my third year of university and I've barely met a handful of artists that are actually talented, and are willing to put in the hard work. When I was in high school I constantly thought about how competitive art in college is gonna be, but I was seriously let down. The vast majority of students are absolutely horrible but refuse all critique. I was friends with one of them but I got honestly too annoyed with him constantly comparing weeb shit art to mine. Some other students have told me they didn't start drawing until high school. How does that even happen?

>pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.3613186]

>>3612819
how popular is popular enough? i have 500 followers, from what i've gathered that's not very popular

[Anonymous No.3613239]

>>3604884
You can't just put a shitty filter over a photograph.

[Anonymous No.3613246]

>>3601281
How do i improve? Just drawing isnt doing anything i dont know what to focus on and anytime i ask i get ignored. I want to produce good work instead all i can do is shit sketches that look fucking awful.

[Anonymous No.3613251]

>>3601369
As a non artfig i cant give you in depth criticism but i can say its VERY cool. Something i would put on a wall if it fits the theme of the room

[Anonymous No.3613331]

>>3612978
Any tips on getting established? I used to have a decent Twitter and got commissions from there but I deleted it lmao.
For now I made a Tumblr yesterday and I'm just going to post shit and follow people from here

[Anonymous No.3613337]

>>3613119
you sound like a bitter bitch

[Anonymous No.3613371]

>>3613044
Holy fucking lol. Yeah nah. My stuff isn’t top tier, but I do actually lay out the proportions of characters and know how to do stuff like basic foreshortening.

I think a difference between me and a lot of what I saw from IRL sketch nerds was that A) I have done a ton of realistic non-stylized sketching practice and B) I am a fan of older western comicbooks. Western comic character tend to wear a lot of skin tight clothes so when I tried to learn style it nessestated being able to at least fake decent anatomy understanding. I think a lot of anime fan sketchers think they are fooling people by hiding the bad anatomy underneath clothing.

*Not to say there aren’t skilled as fuck amateur anime fan artists, but the majority really do suck AND they are proud of their art and thin skinned. IMO the best anime sketchers are usually people who have drawn a fuckload of lewd pictures which require learning anatomy to be any good at.

[Anonymous No.3613550]

>>3612900
>>3613251
I don't have a blog but my ig is @gabriel_breschau
I'm not very productive (in drawing), though, and I'm studying for a master degree, but I'll try to draw more often and post it all there
I love photograpy, too, but I never posted my stuff anywhere, and I plan on posting it on instagram soon

[Anonymous No.3613581]

My style changes so fast I don't have enough pieces to put up a stylistically consistent portfolio. I could be very happy with something the moment i finish it, but after a month it starts looking meh or plain awful compared to my more recent works. My instagram looks like one of those accounts that are taken over by a different artist every week, i really hate that.

[Anonymous No.3614099]

>>3602339
Proportional dividers could help a little. Its a start at least. Try tracing to get your confidence up a little

[Anonymous No.3614105]

>>3605225
I guess it has a lot to do with networking and the social climate, not only artistic merit. Sometimes it seems skill doesnt play a part at all and you have to be a sociallite and know the right people to get anywhere

[Anonymous No.3614110]

>>3613581
I had this problem before too. Sounds like your foundations aren't solid enough for you to even be able to keep your stuff consistent. Try working on them more, study some real life (because any good imagination is grounded in reality in some way even if it is just how light and shadow works), your real style will develop out of your understanding of the fundamentals over time.

Keep at it, keep studying and finish your studies. Keep making imaginative works and finish those too. Learn your foundations and then build on them and take away whatever you want. It's like playing jenga if you don't have a good foundation and sense of balance knowing what to take away and what to leave in, it falls apart and everyone calls you a fag turdpolisher on the internet.

don't be a fag turd polisher.

[Anonymous No.3614279]

>>3612943
your drawing has no sense of depth my friend

[Anonymous No.3614282]

really fucking wanted to go to art school. loved art since i was a kid except it was perceived as a waste of time by family. Ended up in a STEM degree I don't really like, but I still try to do some artistic things once in a while. It just feels kind of stifling i guess.

[Anonymous No.3614284]

>>3614282
How much do you make to support your hobby?

[Anonymous No.3614286]

>>3614284
in the last year of getting my degree. work part-time buts its really not enough to get me anywhere. invested in a few things over the years like a digital tablet, but i don't really have the time to pick up lessons or grind daily

[Anonymous No.3614289]

>>3614286
How difficult is school for you? What’s your gpa? You must be investing a lot of time.

[Anonymous No.3614296]

>>3614289
my country doesn't use the GPA system but I'm maintaining a high 80's-90's average which means a lot more work than I'd like since I'm probably just about average or below it in academic ability. evens out to about 12-15 hours of work a week, 25~ of classes plus commuting and then all of the out of class work (bordering on 5 hours a day probably) I have to put in. usually manage to squeeze between 3-5 hours of music/art into a week on top of social obligations and what not.

[Anonymous No.3615885]

>>3614279

[Anonymous No.3616643]

>>3607031
They have some good stuff outside of drawing boxes. It's just the box stuff is meant for brief exercises.

[Anonymous No.3617396]

It's hard for me to cope with how learning art requires multiple approaches, and how not all advice applies to all art styles. In video games, all you had to do was play the same game everyday to get good.
But in art, it seems necessary to practice drawing from observation AND to read. The fundamentals and anatomy books are helping me, but I can't understand why.

[Anonymous No.3617420]

>>3617396
>The fundamentals and anatomy books are helping me, but I can't understand why.
Because they are the fundamentals??? Do you know what that word means lol

Its the foundation that all art is built upon. Not understanding the fundamentals and trying advanced shit instead makes you suffer the same way you would if you didn't go through the tutorial or beginning sections of a game and just started yourself right at the final boss where you're expected to have mastered the game mechanics and know the rules of the game already.

Fundamentals are your game mechanics and rules dude. You're learning how to art good. Give yourself a pat on the back and keep it up.

[Anonymous No.3617429]

>>3617420
thanks for the clear reply; i haven't considered that there are certain rules and conventions within the style of art i'm pursuing.
i suppose i'm just shocked that there's more to art training than being a photocopier.

[Anonymous No.3617433]

>>3617429
you seem like the kinda dude that would put his hand in a fire and be amazed at how hot it is

[Anonymous No.3617435]

>>3601700
extremely relatable
it's very difficult to continue without seeing anything that impresses you in your own work

[Anonymous No.3617437]

>>3617429
I'm not just talking about a certain style, any art style follows those rules or deliberately breaks them in the name of aesthetic. To understand a style fully you need to understand the fundamentals. That way you can look at them and go "OK I see that the rules for line and values are the same here but proportions have their own rules". It's much easier to start by knowing the rules before you can truly recognize them and break them yourself to make things you like.

Some exercises you do may just be photocopying so that you may build up a certain technique or fundamental(s). But yeah if you're really making art there's definitely a lot more to it than that.

I hope this stuff clears it up for you pretty well. Keep going if you're seeing improvement that means you're doing something right. And if you're hating everything you draw because it doesn't look right that means your artists eye has evolved past your skills. But that is also a good thing just work through it.

[Anonymous No.3617445]

>>3617437
I think I really get what you mean by how universal the fundamentals are.

>>3617433
you understand me

[Anonymous No.3617516]

>>3606408
You do realize 'most people' don't draw you retard?

[Anonymous No.3617543]

I have this complicated feeling, that most of what I draw needs to have a purpose or be targeted at something. Or maybe I just lack motivation.

I used to draw a lot just for the fun of it. As years passed I noticed that I mostly draw birthday presents for close friends, draw requests I liked or participate in art contests I'm really interested in(not for the rewards, but for the theme).
I still like drawing very much. I have tons of ideas I want to draw someday and I write them down or alter them as time passes. When I don't draw for more than a month I feel like I'm stagnating. I look for stuff to motivate me.

Do I just want people to ackowledge my drawings? Or maybe I don't want to spend time doing something which will not receive any response?

[Anonymous No.3617551]

>>3613581
same, I keep changing styles based on which flavor of the month artist I'm following

[Anonymous No.3617555]

>>3617543
So basically you're a little bit of an attention whore?

Well just remember if you don't keep up your skills by drawing every day you won't be able to make the super good stuff that gets you all that attention.

[Anonymous No.3617561]

>>3610903
>extreme autism

[Anonymous No.3617572]

>>3606102
You mean it bother you that your parents/friends don't know you do this for living? Because if you do commissions I assume you at least have your clients knowing about you.

[Anonymous No.3617580]

>>3601281
I can only photocopy. It's so hard for me to draw anything from imagination because I don't have one in the same way. It's such hard work just to do what you normal people shit out in a second. I failed assignments and finals before because I was asked to do particular work from imagination, no other teaching or instruction solely "imagine the scenes and draw them" and sat staring at blank canvas for hours upon hours trying to muster it. When my teacher saw what i was doodling she cringed and walked away, didnt say anything. I did my best and it wasn't enough...

And you all take it for granted that you can rotate things in your head and have a visual library. You can see shapes over things or imagine perspective. Some of you imagine so well that it's real to you. You don't understand I would kill for this ability.

Your advices of "just imagine...." are useless, to me. Half of people don't even believe me when I tell them of the condition. They harass with suggestions that only work on people like them.
It's such hard work to get to where I want to be and it would be so much easier if I had the same kind of brain you all do. And I sit here and watch you guys waste away when you have such an amazing resource available. It's so fucking painful.

So lazy such a waste of what sounds like a super power and a godsend for someone like me. I try and try to train it to work but it just wont. Why does it have to be this way this sucks this sucks this sucks it's like a personal hell every day

Its so frustrating I cry and want to quit but I've put so many years into this
I can't stop now... ive wanted this all my life and I've come so far from where I started

But damn if it doesn't sting like a bitch...

[Anonymous No.3617585]

>>3617580
Photocopy is the wrong word... I can do realism but I can only ever draw what I see in front of me. There is no minds eye. I will never know my husband's face while he's away, or to imagine a smell or voice or something that gives an emotion somehow.

Life is only reality for me. And that's all I can draw or paint. And I do it well I guess but that's all I can do well. It hurts. So bad.

[Anonymous No.3617603]

I suck.

[Anonymous No.3617610]

>>3617603
Well stop sucking then

[Anonymous No.3617611]

>>3617610
I can't.

[Anonymous No.3617614]

>>3617611
Yes you can. Work at it.

[Anonymous No.3617641]

>>3617580
how old are you? i guess you are young, maybe not, but the advice is also good for oldfags like me.
two things: 1. imagination always needs references, but not merely visual ones. 2. imagination is like a muscle, it needs exercise.

imagination and creativity feeds on experiences. you can't imagine something (somehow close) to what you've never experienced, and you can't imagine "well" if you don't practice a lot. you have to experience more, and more diverse, and sat for a while to think about what you've experienced..

-READ A LOT, WHATEVER, from artists biographies to philosophy or science (light divulgation books are ok to start). f.e. there are lots of very good artists that base their work in the study of science.
- LISTEN to ALL KIND of music, and read about the different genres, learn about what generated them.
- WATCH ALL KIND of theater or movies: don't stick to what you like and you'll learn more. dive into what is not your usual taste, read about directors, techniques, the context of every piece.
- TRAVEL. long trips are great, but even short trips can open your mind and your taste, you don´t even need to pack anything. take a short train or bus trip and observe with an open mind, look at the people, the landscape, listen to the sounds, observe and absorve.
- WRITE. take notes, write and write and write about what you just have experienced, from reading a book to beeing rejected as an artist. ask yourself about how you felt in front of anything you have experienced. look, i started doing this and ended writing scripts for theater and documentaries.
- SURROUND yourself with creative people. yes, we can be assholes, i know, and rejection is always a risk. but you'll find good people too. and you'll learn a lot, talk a lot about creative stuff, exercise imagination a lot.

treat imagination and creativity like a sport: you'll never be good at it if you don't watch other people doing it, practice a lot and do it with other.

[Anonymous No.3617646]

>>3605850
an old teacher i had said to me that wisedom is a path with a corner that is not too far. you start to walk and it seems you are about to get to your destination.
then you turn the corner and see that the path is ethernal.
you can do 2 things; get depressed because you´lle never be wise, or rejoice because your trip will last forever.

[Anonymous No.3617650]

>>3617641
I'm 26. I don't think you understand but the part of my brain which controls visualization is dead, kaput, non-functional. It has been this way my whole life I was born with this. I have emailed back and forth with a doctor who is studying the condition, he has not seen anyone with this improve in the departments. MRI scans show it is inactive. It is medically dead.

How do I train something I have never had? That doesn't work? It's like expecting someone who has had brain injury to their personality center to just try to be themselves when they have been altered by a change in brain activity.

I read I listen to music I watch any movie suggested to me or that looks interesting, I can write but it is strange to normal people. I am married to a very creative man with a highly functional visualization center and he tries but nothing works. Meditations exercises memory training, nothing. I have even taken psychedelics and even they did nothing more than make me feel a little sick or "off" while my friends talked of the amazing things they were seeing.

I do not mean to be mean or reject it outright and I appreciate the sentiment... it's that I have tried everything you mention amd more and it does nothing and it is the most frustrating of things I have ever experienced.

For me it is not like a sport that needs training. If it is a sport then I am a quadriplegic who can try to move and want to participate but physically unable.

[Anonymous No.3617675]

I'm 27 and am getting pretty good at traditional painting. I wanted to be good ever since I was 7 or 8. Along the way, I've made career sacrifices to spend time practicing. My grades in college were trash because I pursued art when I should have been studying.

But around the time I was 23, I realized I'd rather be a good piano player, or good engineer or have a second language. I don't like being an artist, spending all my time alone. Sure I impress lots of 20 year old girls on insta, but even when I'm eventually really good/professional-tier at this (my late 30s at this pace), I won't make enough money for the lifestyle I'd like to lead.

I should have dedicated myself to something else, but now art is all I'm good at.

[Anonymous No.3617691]

>>3617650
wow.
i didn't understand that it was a kind of medical condition, i'm truly sorry and feel kind of dumb for the advice given.
i don't find any word to say to you, seems that everything i could say will sound as empty self-help nonsense.

but you seem inclined to do art stuff, not to resign to it.
excuse me if i sound dumb, but maybe you can stick to certain kind of practices where imagination is not so important, and you'll still be doing art.

for example, i do different kind of stuff and styles (and get bored really easy) but whenever i'm in a blank i stick to an abstract style that is almost technical , almost obsessive, (pic related) and i took it as a kind of zen practice. and what inspired this pieces was a weather map depicting wind flows.
do you know this japanese artist yayoi kusama? not that i like what she does, but the way she canalized her obsession and depression doing all her art around one single motif is very interesting to study.

sorry if i bother you with this, is not the intention at all and i truly wish you find a solution or a path to follow.

[Anonymous No.3617704]

>>3617650
More curiosity (and not intending to be rude either), do you ever dream?

I don't expect you do, but if so what are they like in general, or do you have any that stand out?

>>Art related problem
Not able to get in as much practice as I'd like, and I have a tendency to pause fundie practice cause I'm interested in trying out differnet mediums and personal drawings. Although I know if I just got a bit more fundy practice I would have an easier time with some of my other stuff.

[Anonymous No.3617732]

>>3617580
Start small. Do a stickman doing something. Is it sitting on a chair, dancing, flipping you off? Where is the viewer, and what angle are you seeing the stickman from? Is there something around it?

Ask yourself questions. It's okay to follow a script. It's okay to not have a clear image in mind right off and need some work to get at it. You only lose if you panic/quit.

[Anonymous No.3617748]

>>3617691
It's okay. It's rare, about 2% of the population has it and there's really only one person that I know of studying it right now.

I can do most of the same things but it takes a lot of work to do them while for you guys it is "I draw what I see in my head". I'm so jealous.

Technical stuff is fun sometimes. Your drawing is cool. And I'll look that artist up in a minute thank you. At least I can take my mind off of this for a bit. Thanks for being understanding and putting up with me snapping. Sorry it's been a bad day...

>>3617704
>do you ever dream?
>I don't expect you do, but if so what are they like in general, or do you have any that stand out?

I do but it's very strange. I am unable to visualize when awake but while asleep i get what seems like little parts of it. It is very low functioning though. It is rare that I remember a dream.

But of those I do remember people do not have faces or voices and they speak to me in concepts, ideas, like the way I think with no head voice. It feels very unnatural when I start waking up and notice they are silent and have no face. Their bodies are muddy and ever changing. There is no flying no Astral projection for me nothing that wouldn't happen in real life because that is all I have ever known. I think whatever happens in my day influences my dreams but I don't really know what happens in them most days. When there is sound that is all there is and everything is black, like you turned the TV off during a movie but it kept playing through the sound system. I never can touch or be touched in dreams. I never smell in my dreams.

Very rarely I will dream in all black but I get to listen to beautiful songs in my sleep. They stop and are forgotten as soon as I wake up. But I know I have listened to music. Maybe it was playing in the background IRL as I slept and I just thought I dreamed it though.

[Anonymous No.3617752]

>>3617748
(Cont)

If my husband is not sleeping next to me he does not appear in my dreams. I think he talks to me when I have nightmares and that's why I have only ever heard his voice in my sleep. I don't think the people who appear are even based off of real people I have seen. They meander around and there are vague concepts of what is happening...

It's very creepy honestly and I do not wish to remember them most of the time.

[Anonymous No.3617758]

>>3617748
>Thanks for being understanding and putting up with me snapping. Sorry it's been a bad day...
don't mention it. i have enormous respect and admiration for people who carry on their lives with this kind of burdens. i hope you can manage it and, as you say, at least get your mind out of the problem even if it's for a while..

[Anonymous No.3617781]

>>3617396
Which books in particular?

[Anonymous No.3617786]

>>3617752
I do wonder, what are you guys' dreams and visualizations like? I hear you can do something like think of a beach and feel relaxed. Or rotate 3d objects in your head. See things that aren't there while you're awake? It's interesting to me too

Are the things you see in color? Do any of you ever think purely in concepts? Do memories play like movies? I want to know these things are so cool but nobody speaks of them because it is normal

[Anonymous No.3617809]

>>3617732
I can't even do basic shapes man my brain is literally busted up or something

[Anonymous No.3617844]

>>3617786
i've never stopped to consider it, but now that i think, there are things that are easier to visualize than others.
to me is easier to visualize an object, even if it's kind of complex, that a process or actions.
for example, i can visualize a general view of a tree and then focus on the branches, the leafs, etc. but it's harder to visualize the series of movements that an action requires.
i practice archery and i kind of struggle to visualize all the movements i have to do to aim steadly, even if i can do them easily when i'm actually shooting.

i hardly remember dreams a minute after awakening, but sometimes they are extremely vivid. recently i dreamed about being scubadiving, and the physical sensations -the water on the skin, the tight neoprene on the muscles, the taste of the rubber of the respirator, the lack of weight, the waterdrops on the glass of the mask when i broke the surface- were so real that i awoke really disoriented, feeling that the dream was more real that the darkness of my bedroom.

i used t keep an notebook in my bedside table to write about my dreams as soon as i woke up, it's a really interesting practice.

[Anonymous No.3617852]

Someone without visualization here too.
I found this lecture really interesting, might be a good way towards a cure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU6gSMLsCrg

[Anonymous No.3617853]

one of my various art related problems is boredom.

i get bored but what i'm doing as soon as i can see where the project is going or how is going to look once finished -if i finish it.
i've done (and somehow still do) sculptures, drawings, paintings, illustrations, acrylics, pastels, ink, digital, traditional and digital photography, video, some basic traditional and digital animations, i write, i play some music...
but nothing too deep, nothing that could take much of my time. maybe i lack the ability of concentrate for too long in something and i always choose short term projects.
this results in half assed works, never taken to a professional or even high level of production.

[Anonymous No.3617856]

>>3601281
i literally cant stop fucking using mspaint with a mouse

ive been doing this for a year and i have 0 gains because of it

[Anonymous No.3617863]

>>3617650
i wonder if there's anyway you could monetize the ''totally unaffected by psychadelics' aspect

[Anonymous No.3617908]

>>3617786
This is really interesting to me as I've always just taken visualization for granted.

As for myself. There's a state right between being awake and asleep where my brain starts just throwing up tons of moving images (called a hypnogogic state). I use that as a source for some of the paintings and drawings I do. Sometimes it will be fantastical, and others will be just shapes and colors. It doesn't happen all the time, or even very often, but it's pretty cool when it does.

It would be neat to see if you could take the things you draw, and logically repurpose them into thing that they bear some resemblance to. Kind of like an exercise I read about in the book Gestalt Therapy where you take something you're thinking about and do something metally absurd with it (like a sandwich as a couch cushion). Except in your case you wouldn't be visualizing it, but making some kind of logical connection between the shapes (a couch cushion is square, so is a sandwich). It might be worth trying out something like that and see where it takes you artistically.

[Anonymous No.3617934]

>>3617853
I have this same problem, it fucking eats at me. I play music, draw, edit vids, et cetera. But this all results in being half asses at everything and not particularly good in any one thing. I don't finsih projects and when I do theyre never polished.

[Anonymous No.3617950]

>>3617863
That would be interesting but mind you I may not get tracers or hallucinations or anything but I still do get the physical side effects like puking or getting the shits lol

[Anonymous No.3618242]

I'm scared of drawing
I'm scared of failure and the unknown and I'm so insecure and embarrassed of myself that whenever i try to sit down and draw I get anxious and nauseous, I just can't do it, I'm trying to reason with myself and tell myself that I'm gonna be shit at the start and that it's normal and that it's ok but it just doesn't seem to work, I have friends who are artists and just seeing their art or talking about art with them makes me feel so awkward and insecure because I'm useless and I'm too incompetent and not-in-control of my emotions to actually start drawing.
It's just so irrational, no one is going to see my shitty drawings but it still makes me insecure and whenever I do draw and obviously, make something fucked, I just get this overwhelming feeling of dread, I don't know, it's come to the point where I just procrastinate for the whole day, do one thing, then go to sleep.

[Anonymous No.3618244]

>>3618242
u deserve it for using that shrek meme

[Anonymous No.3618277]

>>3618242
The only thing thats going to help you out is for you to decide to get out of your comfort zone regardless of how freaked out it makes you feel. You are in control of it, no one else.

[Anonymous No.3618319]

>>3617856
It's okay, Yev-san, you're doing your best.

[Anonymous No.3618328]

>>3613119
Are you the fella who did this picture from a wile back?

As for art students, there really few diamonds in the rough in personality, talent, or a combination of the two. The art classes I've completed in a semester's worth of basic art and drawing in a community college have had a somewhat decent impact on my work, and I met some good people there too. In my own opinion, you really pay a premium if you opt for an art college more than you do anywhere after high school but get the same results. It's an opinion, of course, but what I would recommend is to tough it out and maybe make some connections with the people you see that have the same motivation you do.

[Anonymous No.3618343]

To vent, I feel like I reached a plateau in my digital art. Work has taken up most my time and energy, and I rarely have the time/privacy (I live with eight people, and if privacy is an issue I have with digital art then boy howdy you can't minimize a traditional sketch) to do what I want. The art I do gets me commissions but those take forever on my schedule and there's no pizzaz I have when I do them. Moving on, I've always done the same old sketch-then-ink routine I merely applied digitally, but the aforementioned problems keep me from experimenting. Now I've considered sketching then inking traditional art to a digital platform so that maybe I can break this digital funk and practice coloring, so that is something I may need to dedicate time to. Pic related is my last digital piece that isn't fanwank.

[Anonymous No.3618357]

>>3617781
I've been learning from copying figures out of hampton's "figure drawing".

[Anonymous No.3618390]

>>3601657
this

[Anonymous No.3618571]

>>3606002
Don't be afraid to try tools. Don't listen too much every comments people say about Krita (or whatever the software is).
If you want to try, try it. Testing and experimenting is a nice thing anon. Stop waiting for the approval of others.

[Anonymous No.3618601]

>>3601281
I nitpick the shit outta my drawings to the point where they start to look stiff and boring.

[Anonymous No.3618608]

>>3618328
Sadly that's not my work. Love the lines, looks like something I'd make though. In all honesty I just started posting here. But I totally agree, I already made friends with most of the talented people with drive.

[Anonymous No.3618616]

>>3611157
fuckin kek, underrated as fuck
have a (you) brother

[Anonymous No.3618987]

>tfw life goal is to form a Canadian animation studio and produce original animation so burgers will stop laughing at our toons, but to also promote what little culture and skill we have without being held down by shitty safe cartoon standards and politics
>tfw poor so will have to start a trade or something just to get by
everyday it feels like my dreams are further and further away, but if I give up I'm not sure what other meaningful thing I'll have to work towards in life art wise. My best bet is to save up cash and build a following for a couple years and try my luck

[Anonymous No.3619158]

I stopped drawing for 6 months. I went from human photocopy machine to "I can't draw a fucking bowl from a reference." I feel like I have wasted what little I had. Send help.

[Anonymous No.3619221]

>>3617950
Have you ever tried the any of the "big boss"s of psychedelics? Only ever had a way too big dose of salvia myself but I am not exaggerating when I say 10 secs later I was in an entirely different place, thought I had died and was in the afterlife. If a bong rip of saliva doesn't send you into the ether of human imagination then nothing will.

It wouldn't hurt to try, there's no physical side effects and if that doesn't work you continue to be studied. I hope there's a cure for you anon.

[Anonymous No.3619518]

>tfw stuck on fundies because every time I try construction, I fuck up
>try reading books, etc. on construction, but it always feels wrong and every method I try leads to more failure
>demotivates me to the point I stop doing fundies for a while
>come back later to redo fundies
>suddenly shit again
At this point, the only thing I feel I can do is buy a bunch of individual sketch books, write a big warning to myself at the start saying "Hey faggot, you're gunna fuck this shit up. Don't give up." and only focus on a single aspect per book. Like one book will be full of nothing but hands/arms, one on torsos, one on legs/feet, one on head shapes and features, etc.

But my fear is that if I don't focus on all parts at once, I'll slip on whatever I'm not constantly fucking up on and then when I go to do a completed person, everything will be shit except the last thing I was focusing on.

I know art is all about mileage, but it feels like everything I do is counter productive and that there's absolutely no improvement. The only fucking thing I can consistently draw are straight lines. Everything else falls to shit if I take even a week break.

[Anonymous No.3619521]

>>3619518
What to do if feels the same way?

[Anonymous No.3619759]

>>3617580
It's because you're a woman. Guys, it's because she's a woman. It's normal. You can't participate in sports anyway without shouting passive aggressively.

All jokes aside, maybe your should re-prioritize what you want out of life. Stop basing your future around a skill that is an emotional and economic time-sink. This is the hard truth.

If you'd like to rage against that, which is that I would do if an asshole like me commented this, I suggest you try this: try to mimic a person's emotional state. This will be hard. You may have to talk to them, and have to ruffle some feathers when you start to pinpoint where they stand. The brain is the puppet-master of the expressions. If you can understand an emotion someone is exhibiting, you can do a better job transcribing it in a drawing. For example, look at their eyes. Talk to them. Understand their position. This is not your time to be an attention whore and talk about yourself. Probe into their soul with genuine questions and take a look around. Do not fucking interview people. Let them make an impression on you. It can be taxing sometimes. It can be uplifting others. I've always done this though. It's my brain. But it can be learned, but it will take patience and diligence, such as everything else in life. As far as facial features go, that's proportion and perspective. But emotions give those proportions ans expressions real meaning. When you sit down to draw imagine their emotional essence. Let it flow through the pen. If that is still to hard for you and you are unable then I would urge you to reevaluate your current emotional state and work harder or make some necessary sacrifices. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.3619822]

>>3617650
Sooo... You're autistic? Just do what all the high functionals do, fake it. Fake imagination. You failed because you didn't reference or photobash.

Seriously. Your teacher was disappointed because instead of doing your assignments and finals properly given your condition, you sat around with a brush up your ass. You had resources available to you, you didn't use them. Now you come here to cry about how you fail.

Let's say your teacher told you to paint a make believe animal you just came up with. If you know you can't draw from imagination, you SHOULD have been carrying around a reference folder full of things you could copy from.

So let's say you did have a reference folder. You open it up, and you take out a photo of a gorilla, crab, and giraffe. You like how the body of the gorilla looks, so you start copying the shape. You also like the long neck and head of the giraffe, so instead of drawing the gorilla's head, you start drawing the neck and head of the giraffe. You then look at the rough sketch you have, and decide you need to add in elements of the crab, so you give the creature the stalk eyes of the crab, as well as one of the claws in place of a regular hand.

Bam. Suddenly you have a brand new creature, from "imagination". Now all that's left is to color it, and you can just reference various skin/fir/scale patterns from your handy dandy reference book, and wham. A fully drawn, fully colored piece of art.

Sorry, but all of this sounds like you had it coming to yourself. You didn't need to visualize anything, all you had to do was copy. Even if you couldn't see how it would turn out in your head, you just had to copy down what you saw and combine it with other elements to make new art.

If you can't even realize this for yourself, you should probably give up art if you're incapable of common sense. You had resources, didn't exploit them, and blame everything but your actual lazy self. See - your "medical condition".

[Anonymous No.3619840]

>>3619822
And to add on to this, I mean fuck. You're sitting there trying to force the impossible. You say you take drugs, listen to music for inspiration, even going as far as to MARRY SOMEONE CREATIVE, even though you know for a fact that it's physically impossible for your brain to function that way.

So instead of focusing on what you could do, as in draw a photobash, you waste away focusing on everything you know you can't do.

Your inability to do art has nothing to do with your medical condition, it has everything to do with you being a generally bad person who is unwilling to accept their faults.

Tell me, how do you even get dressed? Put on makeup (assuming you're a girl, and not a legitimate homosexual), or do pretty much anything in life? Because literally everything you do requires some sort of visualization before you do it.

If you can't visualize, you try to do whatever it is you're doing, and see what happens. Like choosing an outfit. You see some clothes in the store that you think look nice, but because you can't imagine yourself in them, what do you do? You take the fucking clothes to the changing room and try them on so you can see how it looks. If you like it, you buy it. If it looks bad, you don't.

Art is exactly the same way. You can't visualize it, so you copy it. You're told to draw a house. You can't visualize a house. You look at a few photos, and start drawing a house based off of those references. You like the roof pattern of A, and the window design of B, and the layout of C. You have no idea how they will look together until you DRAW THEM TOGETHER.

I mean fuck, how is this even a hard concept to grasp? If you drew something and it looked like shit, you can start over and try again with something else. Or better yet, ask someone else for their opinion on the thing you drew that you think looks like shit. Maybe they think it looks good, since there isn't a right or wrong way to do art.

Don't be a whiny faggot. Own up.

[Anonymous No.3619905]

>>3619158
>6 months
I cant even imagine this. I've stopped for only 4 days and I feel like I want to kill myself already.

[Anonymous No.3619932]

>>3611157
I'm losing my shit at this

[Anonymous No.3619940]

>quits drawing actively for a year
>wonders why I can't draw things as easily or as well as during peak 5 to 8 hours a day of drawing
I dunno why I do this to myself.
This wouldn't be as bad if I wasn't wasting other people's time and efforts concerning my art, though.

[Anonymous No.3620145]

>>3619905
Cash problems my friend. Took a few jobs along with my main job and suprise suprise, I didn't have any free time to draw. Well I'm sure I'll get back on track after a month or 2. Wish me luck.

[Anonymous No.3620813]

>>3601281
Why the fuck are eyes so hard to draw? every pic i see of characters their eyes are not that complicated but they look "right"

whenever i do it it looks like shit to me

pic related

[Anonymous No.3620819]

Scott Robertson's book is way too technical. I have no idea what I'm doing. I wish I had an instructor that forced me to be diligent. On my own I have no discipline, but when my GPA is attached to it, I try a lot harder.

[Anonymous No.3620828]

>>3620813
yikes thats fucking bad
just use easier symbols for eyes so you can focus on body anatomy and work on eyes on a seperate scale so you can put more detail
also the left hand is microscopic

[Anonymous No.3620836]

didn't draw anything worth shit in years ever since my old f610 broke
decided it's time to stop being a bitch
dropped 480 euros on a fucking intuos today in some retarded hope that it's just gonna magically come back to me
I'm staring at the huge black slab on my desk and have no goddamn idea what to do with it

[Anonymous No.3621408]

>>3620828
What do you mean by easier symbols?
And yeah the anatomy is fucked in this one

[Anonymous No.3621413]

>>3620813
It's not eyes you're struggling with. It's everything. You need to learn to draw. People say, "Trees are easy to draw, but I just can't do faces man." Well it's likely that you're not drawing trees that well either but that you don't need as much accuracy for 'passable' trees.

Learn to draw anything you see accurately. It should be the first step in your training. And that means being able to copy pictures 1:1 and best of your ability from life. I know that sounds strange and you might devalue it easily but the idea is that it trains certain core skills such as spatial perception. You need them in order to learn more advanced skills efficiently. Such as visualisation or mental rotation. What's the point in being able to create an image in your head when you can't even draw images accurately?

I'd suggest Jonathan Hardesty's Essentials of Realism on schoolism.com, The Sight-Size Bargue by Darren R. Roussar, New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards and Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson. It's ideal if you get to train in a real atelier but there are online alternatives as well. Next best resources are these books which I suggest you read and practice. Once you can draw accurately you can move on to learning formal perspective. Erik Olson's lectures are great for this.

Finally you can move on to pretty much anything you like, anatomy, composition, colour theory... etc. You're going to make much more headway if you approach this linearly. Get the basic skills of perception, spatial perception roughly means proportion, visual perception includes values and colours( the basics of seeing, colour temperature, no fancy gamuts etc, that's all later. This is included in Hardesty's lectures.) Godspeed anon. The culture here tends to forget the more important fundamentals, especially being accurate. I see so many /begs/ struggle with construction because they can't draw. You need a bit of basic drawing skills before you even approach construction.

[Anonymous No.3622019]

>>3617580
In case anyone is interested, this condition is called aphantasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia

[Anonymous No.3622160]

>>3622019
Thanks dude

[Anonymous No.3622168]

>>3621413
great advice.

[Anonymous No.3622193]

>>3617580
>>3622019
This is such nonsense. Even that wikipedia page hardly has any information. If you can remember things, you can visualize them. When you leave the house and think "did I remember to turn the stove off?" You can't picture your stove while doing so? Do you know what a stove is? Have you seen a stove before? But you can't imagine one? You're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.3622240]

>>3601281
>tries to study
>get demotivated halfway in
>tries to draw from imagination
>gets demotivated minutes in
FUCKING HELL I JUST WANT TO FINISH SOMETHING AND BE PROUD OF IT FOR ONCE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.3622242]

>>3622240
you can't be proud of something you did easily you fucking baby

[Anonymous No.3622246]

>>3622242
no fucking shit, that's why i'm mad at myself
this is a vent thread after all

[Anonymous No.3622253]

how do you draw high calves as opposed to low calves? also which type is more aesthetic to draw?!!

[Anonymous No.3622382]

>>3622253
What's the difference

[Anonymous No.3622414]

>>3601281
I just switched back to paper after using my tablet

God I hate it. It’s so fucking unforgiving, now my days are much more stressful and I rarely get good results. Should I just go back to tablet?

[Anonymous No.3622425]

I hate waifufags so much, but I also envy them. I hate them because they're art is a dime-a-dozen and they over-saturate everything they touch. I also envy them because they take the time to draw cute girls while I'm sitting at home toiling away and "practicing" without direction.

[Anonymous No.3622428]

>>3622425
I know that pikachufeel.
>tfw will never be so dedicated to a waifu that I put in a ton of time and work into improving at art in general just to do her justice

[Anonymous No.3622495]

>>3622240
Discipline is a skill. You need a lot of delayed gratification to get good at art. Part of your art training is training to focus and be disciplined. I recommend The Willpower Instinct, very good book because it approaches it like a course with exercises you can follow at the end of each chapter.

[Anonymous No.3622630]

>didn't draw before the daily depression kicked in
>too new to be skipping days
send help ;_;

[Anonymous No.3622652]

>>3622425
god damn I hate being directionless

[Anonymous No.3622835]

>>3622240
train gesture more
don't wait minutes to get at something cool, have it in 30 seconds or try again, no strings attached

[Anonymous No.3624575]

>>3601369
>>3601371
>>3601373
>>3601375
Damn dude, these are sick.

[Anonymous No.3624740]

>>3618987
You could try web animation. It might be harder now that Youtube values longer run time, but there are some people who get picked up from their online work (be it webcomics or web animation)