/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3593448]

How much do you have to change/edit before something is no longer considered a trace/paintover?

[Anonymous No.3593465]

until /ic/ will findout

[Anonymous No.3593819]

reminds me of this, also this guy gets enough money in its patreon to live on this (1/4)

[Anonymous No.3593821]

(2/4)

[Anonymous No.3593825]

(3/4)

[Anonymous No.3593827]

(4/4)

[Anonymous No.3593880]

>>3593819
>>3593821
>>3593825
>>3593827
>tracing from other people's artwork
This is actual scumbaggery, at least use a fucking photo

[Anonymous No.3593990]

>>3593880
Something you'd expect from porn artists.

Anyway : just don't do it.

[Anonymous No.3594000]

>landidzu

that bean nigga even trace animations.

[Anonymous No.3594008]

Stuff like this arguably can fall under parody/fair use, it's art, not scientific patents.

[Anonymous No.3594034]

>>3593448
At least this level

[Anonymous No.3594042]

>>3593880
They are absolute retards that cant make a pose from nothing.

[Anonymous No.3594051]

>>3594034
>giant man hand

[Anonymous No.3594635]

[Anonymous No.3594708]

>>3594008
But you still make money out of it so it's copyright infringement.

[Anonymous No.3596100]

>>3594051
>giant man hand

Dammit, Archer, I do not have monster hands!

[Anonymous No.3596132]

>>3593448
Using a fat ass is a bad reference.
It is better to use detailed references like faces and all the folds in the clothing in my pic.
This way you can play around with the proportions and everything way better and create your own version out of it.

[Anonymous No.3596556]

>>3594008
I've heard it explain as needing 3 changes from the original to avoid copyright. So changing the out fit hair and setting is all you would need to do. not to mention the expensive of copyright cases makes it a no win situation.

[Anonymous No.3597660]

>>3593448
an easy solution is to merely copy the proportions/pose, and use the original picture as a shading reference. The line work ends up being your own, as does the shading and colorscheme, and character design.
See, if you look at the following examples
>>3593819
This one doesn't actually trace anything. You can tell mostly because the one on the right is pretty poor compared to the one on the left, but also the white haired girls ass is at a totally different angle,
compared to
>>3593825 by the same artist, you can tell in this piece that the hand was directly traced, as well as the cup, straw, eyes nose and mouth. However, the shading is so different that you could at least give them credit there.

Lastly
>>3593827
is probably the artists worst offender, even though the coloring is all on their own. That's because details like the individual lines on the skirt are even copied, as well as the exact curvature of the breasts.

Ideally you want something closer to >>3593821
Where literally the only thing lifted is the pose. And if you think about it, that's what life drawing IS, so it's not much of a difference.

[Anonymous No.3597665]

>>3594635
>HEY I KNOW THAT DICK

[Anonymous No.3597668]

>>3596556
it's 30% for copyright
trademark is a different issue.
Mickey Mouse is trademarked, for instance.That means you can't draw mickey mouse in a different style and claim it as your own because the design is trademarked.
Most character designs are copyrighted but not trademarked. I.E. the exact image is protected, but something that's close to that image but significantly different is fine.
For instance, adult Gohan, if made by someone other than toriyama, could be a trademark infringement since it's so similar to Goku (if Goku is trademarked) but not a copyright violation unless he's drawn in the same pose, with the same linework as Goku.

[Anonymous No.3597669]

>>3597660
>this one doesn't actually trace anything
are you retarded almost all of that is traced. the only thing not traced is that butt because he was attempting to draw a bigger butt

[Anonymous No.3597745]

>>3597660
>Where literally the only thing lifted is the pose
Lmfao what kind of retard believes this?

[Anonymous No.3597801]

>>3593448
according to /ic/, 100%, plus the whole pose, proportions and lighting, otherwise you're a tracing hack

irl, just until you're happy with the results. if you paste some figure in your canvas and you feel it works with your composition, then you're golden

using popular copyrighted pictures in commercial stuff sounds like a bad idea. if you're asking what constitutes fair use in some particular territory, this is not the right place to get a sensible answer

[Anonymous No.3599686]

>>3593448
I just started digital art on my phone and i have to trace things because its just a fucking pain zooming in and out on a tiny screen. I don't really charge people for money so I guess it's not that bad??

[Anonymous No.3599688]

>>3599686
Pic related

[Anonymous No.3602332]

>>3599686
You're still unoriginal and a plagiarist you fucking dumbass sea monkey nigger.

[Anonymous No.3602335]

>>3599686
personally as long as you credit the original creator and dont advertise your work as completely self made i see nothing wrong with this
especially since this is more of a hobby for you and not a job

[Anonymous No.3602417]

>>3593448
I trace and I make 500$ a month on patreon just copying peoples shit. not proud of myself but It pays the rent.
and before you start, no I cant get a normal job cuz my town has no jobs anywhere.

[Anonymous No.3602424]

Hard to say if it's a commission related.

[Anonymous No.3602426]

>>3599686
What's the point though? Instant gratification? I'm sure you're aware of how it won't help you when learning.

[Anonymous No.3602428]

>>3594034
That's using ref, theres 0 tracing here

[Anonymous No.3602434]

>>3602417
Post patreon so I can learn from you

[Anonymous No.3602437]

>>3602434
https://www.patreon.com/Kuvshinov_Ilya

[Anonymous No.3602457]

>>3602434
>>3593448

>>3602407
>>3593448
>I know a artist who pretends to be a girl and makes $7K+ a month, who exclusively traces blacked porn, people even pointed it out with proof.. fans didn't care. art is a meme and so are all of (you)

>https://www.patreon.com/Evakiss

I didn't save the pics of the side by side of his images with the blacked scenes he traced from but they were 1-1 full trace not just referenced, but as you will see it's clearly traced and looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.3602482]

>>3602457
>that feel when I know I could trace as well (and with better shading and colors than that) and make much money too

[Anonymous No.3602549]

i don't know Ross Tran does it all the time and nobody gives a flying fuck

[Anonymous No.3602551]

>>3602437

[Anonymous No.3602553]

>>3602457
That's hilarious.
blacked.com? He is 100% trolling.

[Anonymous No.3602634]

>>3602437
kek

[Anonymous No.3602639]

>>3602482
are you willing to?
no?
then shut up bitch

[Anonymous No.3602644]

>>3602639
I'm not willing to because my final aim is to make carton/anime styke illustrations (though right now I am doing Loomis and life drawing cause I'm still /beg/ tier).

If my goal was to make semi-realistic porn, maybe I'd do it.

[Anonymous No.3604770]

>>3602457
>https://www.patreon.com/Evakiss
guys should I pretent to be a girl?
I just started my partreon like last month so starting fresh wont make be too hard I think...
does pretending to be a girl really help?
I have done it on online games plenty of times so I think iim good at it.

[Anonymous No.3605878]

>>3594635

[Anonymous No.3605892]

>>3604770
Are you trying to make money online? Then yes you dumb faggot

[Anonymous No.3605895]

>>3602457
This person actually makes content traced or not though. Reminds me of newgrounds or just flash games in general with ripped assets or poor ones. They still made something.

[Anonymous No.3606026]

>>3604770
>>3605892
does any one know if you can you have 2 patreons setup with the same bank info/paypal or whatever, a real account and a alternate one for porn?

[Anonymous No.3607923]

>>3605892
I am going to do it anon... may god have mercy on my soul.
There's a new female smut artist in town boys...

[Anonymous No.3608078]

>>3607923
There's a new one every week, don't think you're the only one trying to pull this scam.

[Anonymous No.3608179]

>>3593448
Photo outlines are different than tracing drawings. But the more of it you made yourself the better IMO. it mostly doesn’t matter to anyone who can’t/don’t make art. Shortcuts have been used since art was created. Disney traces,a few comic artist trace. manga is known for using photo tracing for backgrounds. It’s just part of the process, but it’s up to the individual artist to decide what’s appropriate. The guy who made the obama “hope” portrait got sued by AP for googling and copying an image. So there’s a price to pay for taking advantage of tracing. The end result is what would you be more proud of? A traced outline with your own rendering, or a completely original piece from your mind onto the page/canvas?
I learned anatomy structure because I like to draw whatever I can think of, but if I’m having “artist block” I’ll find a reference and sketch my own version of the pose to build from. Tracing is something I avoid, because it’s not something I can be proud of.
If pride doesn’t matter then do whatever.
Nobody is the dictator of art,except for Hitler but he died in South America in the 60’s.

[Anonymous No.3608182]

>>3606026
Maybe use another platform for non-porn stuff like Etsy. we all know what’ll make more money in the long run with all the degenerates online.

[Anonymous No.3608718]

>>3602426
Well its more like practice, I can draw and paint fairly well using refs or imagination but this is my first time doing anything digitally so I have to figure out all the tricks to stuff like brushes, layers, opacity etc

[Anonymous No.3609151]

>>3593825
>>3593821
>patreon shit

To think people waste money on this when there's way better shit on pixiv or danbooru

[Anonymous No.3609301]

>>3593448
Plenty of people use 3d cg character renders to quickly get their perspective, proportions, poses, and lighting on point. If you only use the render of bare bones human models as essentially a custom reference image, I'd say its nearly 100% your own (so long as you are using a copyright free model... which their are plenty of).

>blender + manuel bastioni lab plugin
There is your starting point in anyone is interested in the technique. There are other options too, but those are both free (and more importantly renders of the plugin's models only require attributions to use).