/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3584907]

>how to move away from chink over-rendering, and develop an actually appealing and swift nip style?

:I

[Anonymous No.3584908]

>>3584907
Put a time limit on a piece. See what you can do in five seconds, minutes, twenty minutes, an hour, two hours max.

[Anonymous No.3584922]

>>3584907
observe and study artists with swift nip style, dummy :)

[Anonymous No.3584974]

>>3584907
Is this a particular style that I can look up? Or just browse jap artists on twitter somehow?
I want to study works like these where colors are simpler and stuff isn't heavily rendered, because it looks good but also I think it would help me as a beginner to color, light, and shadow

[Anonymous No.3584976]

Why does this board worship Asians so much when the Asians are coming over to the states to learn under western teachers in schools /ic/ cannot afford?

[Anonymous No.3584988]

>>3584976
Yeah they are coming over so they could draw like this instead of the one in OP

[Anonymous No.3584995]

>>3584988
If you're trying to be ironic then you failed yourself. An animator should be able to adapt to any design language. The Asian will stop at no cost to master everything and take back the information to their home country.

Besides that style is cute.

[Anonymous No.3584996]

>>3584995
Also the pic in the OP is an 80/20. Nothing in that takes skill besides the head and we all know they have a mountain of resources on that.

[Anonymous No.3585057]

>>3584996
>Nothing in that takes

Is that so?
Got your own work to share so we can see what exactly "skilled" work looks like?

[Anonymous No.3585065]

>>3585057
Sigh...

So let me get this straight. You think OP image takes skill and yet >>3584988 somehow does not? I bet on my mothers life you can't even draw better than >>3584988.

Prove. Me. Wrong.

[Anonymous No.3585082]

>>3585065
non-artists really 100% can't separate the idea of skill from their appreciation of the work. there's like a graph like this where they mistake information + how much they like it for it being objectively hard to do.

[Anonymous No.3585083]

>>3584907
So I'm not the only one that think that?

Chinese style seems kitsch. Like they're imitating ocidentals but don't really know what they're doing.

Juan Jia knows how to render very well, but his art is lacking. Specially his composition, for example.

[Anonymous No.3585148]

>>3584907
>over-rendering
i still dont get what people mean by this? what the fuck is over rendering

[Anonymous No.3585153]

>>3585148
Like any lifeless thing done by Ruan Jia

[Anonymous No.3585158]

>>3585153
ruan jia is literally not a good example of overrendering and you would know because when you zoom into his paintings you can still see a shit load of brush strokes. if over rendering is have good ass lightening then idk what it is, because thats whats youre telling me you dumb woman

[Anonymous No.3585194]

>>3585082
Neat graph, lovely colours.

[Anonymous No.3585202]

>>3585158
holy shit what a retard
over-rendering has nothing to do with your brushwork

[Anonymous No.3585208]

>>3585158
>when you zoom into his paintings you can still see a shit load of brush strokes
Yeah that's usually how that works.

[Anonymous No.3585215]

>>3585148
Sakimichan is a great example of what OP is talking about

[Anonymous No.3585232]

>>3584995
nobody said anything about animator, but the artists who come up and draw the actual thing

[Anonymous No.3585234]

>>3585083
it's very appealing when it's "done", but nevertheless it is lacking in some aspects.. which nips fulfill

[Anonymous No.3585249]

>>3585148
some of the high tier chinks who "overdo" the painting with so much. Quite strange I know, generally you would consider such a work very well done.. but the feeling when you know it took the artist weeks to accomplish that single piece, it somehow puts it on an old master scale in terms of finesse, but not really.

I think it's just how it is nowadays, everything has to be faster, people need more, and more frequent entertainment, and if you sit there scratching at your one "grand" painting for weeks.. one of those normie artists will overrun you every time.

>>3585215
definitely not. She's more of a pseudo western artists who always does the same lazy-rendered samebody drawings with 2 light variants.

[Anonymous No.3585271]

>>3585202
no one is saying that?
you still havent answered what over rendering is
>>3585208
not with over rendering.

[Anonymous No.3585272]

>>3585249
still doesnt answer my question

[Anonymous No.3585298]

>>3585232
Oh so now we're attacking based on gender and race rather than the art itself. Tell me, are you really a fucking idiot? I could not care if it was drawn by a pansexual dike who is lesbian on Tuesday and straight on Friday and is into scatt but only from dogs.

[Anonymous No.3585299]

>>3585298
What I care about is you thinking anime shit is harder to do than the Steven universe seqel nickleback anime. I'm not bashing anime now I'm more than likely a bigger anime dweeb than you.

[Anonymous No.3585325]

>>3585249
She’s Chinese tho

[Anonymous No.3585328]

over-drawing
over-gesturing

[Anonymous No.3585333]

>>3585299
I know you didn’t just try to say pic related is on the same level as op image

[Anonymous No.3585347]

>>3584974
What youre looking for is most likely the artstyle of Granblue Fantasy, I love the artstyle myself.
Heres one of the many artists that works on Granblue
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=861259
Hope that helps

[Anonymous No.3585382]

>>3585083
>Chinese style seems kitsch
I believe kitch is more about the content than style and techniques.

[Anonymous No.3585384]

>>3585083
>Chinese style seems kitsch
I believe kitsch is more about the content than the style and techniques.

[Anonymous No.3585420]

>>3584907
Is this your work? It doesn’t look over rendered.

[Anonymous No.3585430]

>>3585384
it can be considered "false", sometimes it's ironic.

But generally everything that tries to imitate another or has bad taste, because of the lack of knowledge of the culture/context, can be considered kitsch.

[Anonymous No.3585443]

>>3584907
>How to stop over rendering pointless shapes/details and have better draftsmanship and design ability.
Maybe try learning to...draw? I don't know, just an idea.

>>3585065
It's not even a question that an artist trying making OP's image would need a higher skill level than >>3584988 's image. No one need to prove anything. It's just basic logic, you have however proven you don't know shit about art.

>>3584996
Again, someone who obviously doesn't draw or make art just runs their mouth. If it takes no skill IC as a whole would all be pros by now. Something being good, and needing skill to make are two very different things. The image may not be good, but that doesn't mean it's simple to make.

>>3585158
I would say your wrong. His brush strokes aren't what's over rendered, its the elements making up the image. The hair, the faces, the lighting, the backgrounds, the armor, etc. Everything is rendered to a high level of realism with lots of details while the actual elements themselves have very boring and generic designs/shapes. His technique is whats selling the painting, not his imagination or design abilities. He's a fine example of someone who chooses rendering over learning to draw/design better. Nothing wrong with that, but if OP wants to have a more stylized approach with an emphasis on better shape design or design in general he needs to draw more and focus on how he draws things.

[Anonymous No.3585446]

>>3585443
If I didn't draw I wouldn't be here talking to your gay ass. Guarantee the cartoon guardian crap will be better animated than 90% of what's currently airing in Japan right now.

[Anonymous No.3585462]

>>3584995
>>3584976
You sound like a delusional idiot, please go outside more often.

[Anonymous No.3585483]

>>3585347
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.3585501]

>>3585462
Too busy indoors drawing. You know, that thing you don't do.

[Anonymous No.3585511]

>>3585443
so lots of details = over render
lmao the literal state

[Anonymous No.3585514]

>>3585443
>Comparing a still of characters made for animation to a static illustration.

Almost if they are from two separate mediums with different concerns and limitations. Makes you think.

[Anonymous No.3585517]

RL is over-rendered. Picrelated.
Too much details and colors.

[Anonymous No.3585540]

>>3585517
>too much detail and colors
/ic/ will literally bitch about ANYTHING.

[Anonymous No.3585550]

>>3585443

Finally I'm at my keyboard so I can throughly roast you instead of phone posting letting you tender my ass on purpose.
>It's not even a question that an artist trying making OP's image would need a higher skill level than >>3584988 's image.

That's true. You need to know heavy knowledge of anatomy. Look here:
>If it takes no skill IC as a whole would all be pros by now.
Quite actually /ic/ really does focus a whole lot on the figure alone. However, as you can take a look around you, not many actually take it seriously enough to get to that pro level you speak of. Which brings me to my next point...anime has nothing to do with it so far if you notice. Because the only thing anime about anime is the head.

I speak of this in a stereotypical reason. Most "anime" fall in between 20% head relation to cartoon and %80 realism simplified heavily. And then we get into shounen genre where it can vary greatly in design. Funny, you speak of shape design here
>with an emphasis on better shape design or design
and yet you're pointing to the OP image as if that's a good example of it and yet the picture you're bashing >>3584988 has a better use of shape design. Silhouette both images right now and the Guidance spices would be better recognizable.

And if you're the same idiot talking about "who drew said images are tranny/dikes and thats why it sucks" you can fuck right off.

Now get the hell off my board and head back to /v/. You're definitely a noteven/beg/ shitter who thought he won an argument if there ever was one.

[Anonymous No.3585551]

>>3585517
Bait or brainlet? These are subjective arguments.

[Anonymous No.3585560]

>>3585550
>ngmichaney
>unironically shitposting
unornically kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.3585708]

>>3585158
Ruan Jia looks like he's trying to imitate the kind of game cgi we had in the early 2000s. Sakimichan is a better example of overrendering.

[Anonymous No.3585713]

>>3585708
you guys are retarded

[Anonymous No.3585714]

Cel shading

[Anonymous No.3585809]

Ruan Jia "over render" is basically the same as Ross Tran with his over color Dodge, or Sakimi and shitty anatomy, it's something he push for the sake of standing out and selling his "brand", kids will flock to his school trying to get to his level of rendering, and it's completely fine. It's an aesthetic choice, as you can see his older works are much much better.

Chinks are really into european style, with gothic and shit aesthetic, probably from the russians. Nips are nips, you do you.

And saying chinks are worse than nips is just fucking mental, that's implying the ability to render is somehow inferior to slapping on samefaces , fucked up anatomy and gimmicky coloring.

[Anonymous No.3585824]

>>3585708
That sythe looks like it's about to cut her achillies tendon. Is what I'm thinking of the achillies tendon? I donno but gl walking after you slice that fucker.

[Anonymous No.3586856]

>>3585708
>Overrendering
>sakimichan

You know she uses the fucking smudge tool right?

[Anonymous No.3586860]

>>3585809
Why do you guys have to be so edgy and racist.

[Anonymous No.3587045]

Koreans have the best style.

[Anonymous No.3587174]

>>3584907
who made this? love this style

[Anonymous No.3587203]

>>3585540
>>3585551
considering he said
>RL is over-rendered.
i think its pretty clear he was being ironic

[Anonymous No.3587247]

>>3587045
Absolute fact. China and Japan are the introverted beta losers when it comes to art, Korean art is more assertive and Chad-worthy.

[Anonymous No.3587333]

why does /ic/ dislike ""over rendering""?
I understand wanting a more stylized aspect to ones work but if your going to render a piece you might as well render it fully

[Anonymous No.3587345]

>>3587333
pretty sure this thread is the only time anyone has mentioned over rendering in like months

and they dislike it because 'over' is in there, if it were a good thing it wouldn't be too much, by definition.

also what you said was insanely stupid, so you should think about maybe shutting the fuck up and getting some education

>rendering fully
jesus

[Anonymous No.3587378]

>>3587333
>why does /ic/ dislike ""over rendering""?

Envy, people enjoy looking for frivolous reasons to bring down those that found success to elevate themselves.

[Anonymous No.3587712]

>>3587378
>if you dislike something it's envy
roastie tumblr logic

[Anonymous No.3587732]

>>3587333
>>3587378
There's a difference between "not liking" and "not being impressed by". Artists (should) know more about the art process than laymen, and weigh certain qualities differently. Realistic color pencil photocopies that are so enjoyed by the masses on instagram but shunned by other artists would be an example.

I personally enjoy Ruan Jia's art a great deal, but I still hold imaginative drawing skills in higher regard. There's a reason why the underlying drawing is the most often plagiarized, the most debated, the most lied about, whose process is the least likely to be put on display, and the most noted aspect of an artists' style.