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3525992 No.3525992 [Reply] [Original]

>digital art is not art

>> No.3526008

Art is not art

>> No.3526017

>>3525992
then what is it

>> No.3526023

>>3525992
>that 40 yo boomer

>> No.3526032

>>3526023
looks like he's in his 50ties

>> No.3526043

>>3525992
pretty sure, outside shitposting, nobody has seriously supported that idea ever.

even outdated, recalcitrant, old school dinosaurs, like richard schimid, are forced to admit that both are basically the same shit

>> No.3526073

>>3526032
>That 50 yo millenial

>> No.3526131

It is art. It's just soulless art.

It's a similar argument as to real musicians that played real instruments and people today just making music with programs.

It just lacks a certain soul

>> No.3526132

Its art. But its more career focused, like character design, concept art, graphic design etc etc.
While Traditional is more decorative

>> No.3526134

>>3526043
Museums still barely have any digital art prints

>> No.3526135
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3526135

>traditional art is obsolete

>> No.3526176

>>3526131
That's not true. Just like with electronic music it is just more accessible. There already is some really skilled digital artist, people who don't care about digital vs Trad. Masters of the past would had wept with joy if they had access to modern digital art tools. This is the time when a revolution is happening in art. The early pioneer days.

>> No.3526212

>>3526176
I cant tell if you're serious or just memeing

It might depend on your definition of art, but im talking about gallery art. Art you hang on walls. Art that is remembered and talked about for generations.

The art you talk about reminds me of pop music today that is popular for a couple of months, but most of it is generic trash.
The art you talk about end you up on youtube like Draw with Jazza with wide mass appeal but no respect.

>> No.3526214 [DELETED] 

>>3526212
lol...

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3526247

pop art and cartoons vs fine art. now fuck off troll.

>> No.3526261

>>3526043
you'd be surprised

>> No.3526284

>>3526212
You seriously lack some context. Art got hung on walls and brown school was the way to go because of actual physical limitations, not choice.

Today all music except a few niche genres are produced with some electronic help and we listen to it digitally. Live music is still a thing but it is not dominant. There's a ton of good music today that would never had been made, let alone spread out to a big audience without digital help. Art will go the same way.

>> No.3526322

>>3526284
I disagree.
This is where the music comparison stops working. Many people can download a song and enjoy it fully.

Only 1 person can own an original piece of art. That and the piece's popularity is what gives it value, and lets rich art lovers show off their collections.

Sure you can sell digital prints, but good luck getting farther than that.
I will say digital is the way to go for commercial work, but that's lame.
Im trying to be an artist, not some paid monkey renderer/colorist.

>> No.3526338

It's just shitty art.

>> No.3526345

>>3526322
You talk about art as if the fact that it is commonly used as an investment for tax reductions for rich people makes it good. You know those faggots who resell to each other without ever unpacking.

Something like Mona Lisa isn't even anything special technically. It just got famous because of her smile and the speculation that followed.

Some art only a few ever get to see have no value in today's world. Most people have better things to do than go to museums to look at paintings.

If you want money and fame then digital is the future.


Also any artist who can't produce the same results in digital and blame the medium simply lack skill at the digital medium. As far as the art having "soul" entirely depends on the artist, not the tool. No exceptions.

>> No.3526361

>>3526345
>what is painting traditionally and posting online

i would be willing to bet most traditional artist could transfer most of their skills over to digital pretty easily. not sure about the other way around though.

>> No.3526364

>>3526361
That's because you don't now what you are talking about. Any digital artist that is good is also good traditionally. (Only dumbasses think there's a digital vs traditional war going on.)

>> No.3526380

>>3526361
Why not? All the hard stuff is the same. They have to get used to subtractive colors and like traditional painter would have to adjust to additive colors but the theory of color temperature is the same. Traditional artists would need to learn a lot more difficult things (Understanding file types, making digital brushes, concepts of layers, masks, etc) compared to the digital who just need to learn of to store pint, when to let it dry and stuff like that.

>> No.3526382

>>3526364
i'm not talking about already good artist.
i'm talking about you and me and us trying to get better at art and achieve our goals.
if your goal is to be a deviant art ipad pro star, then go crazy.

I'm just stating my opinion that for the goals I have, doing only digital art isn't enough.

also working with paint and knowing how it dries and what effects you can achieve takes practice.
most people are computer literate now and can figure out how brushes, opacity, layers, and ctrl+z works.

>> No.3526384

>>3526380
see this post
>>3526382

also , that the whole benefit of digital...
that it's easier, cheaper, and more convenient.
that's why.

guys. I say all this as a traditional artist who occasionally messes around on an Ipad.

>> No.3526392

>>3526382
You don't know how good I am. Also >>3526380
got the gist of it. Any good digital artist can immediately make a drawing, put some colors on it and make it look good and spray it up for preservation. Tadaaa, already doing traditional that can sell. Some like to use a ton of layers while others only use one, never delete and have a process that is remarkably similar to traditional.

Learning the practical matters of traditional painting is really easy. It's stuff like value, color theory, anatomy, form, perspective, etc people struggle with.

>> No.3526409

>>3526392
i agree with that. the fundamentals and developing style is the difficult part. but once you have all that down I would still say going traditional is the superior route.

for example I will bring up the artist KAWS. He is known for making paintings that are flawless and look almost done by a machine. Not many artist can achieve the level of precision of his art. This is with practice and by learning how to work with his materials.

>> No.3526436

>>3526409
For many new artist traditional is not an option for simple practical reason. They live all over the world and if it wasn't for the computer they wouldn't be doing art in the first place. The new generations of artist simply wont care about digital because they haven't been told that it is suppose to be superior.

If you want crisp colors then just work at a higher resolution. That's one error many amateur digital artists make. Personally I work from a stationary and have plenty of ram.

You say brushes are easy? Most digital artist today don't know how to make them. There are usually a ton of options involved and they got features like layer properties, textures, opacity, flow, multiple bush heads, spray, etc, all linker to the pressure, speed and angle of the pen. Not to mention that you can use any image as a brush head, even real brush strokes.


As for KAWS. We have machines that can do that. I get that you think it is impressive but I'm more interested in his color choices and visual motives. It's no different than digital artist who can paint photo realistically. If they just try to do photo realistic portraits then what's the point beyond practice? We got cameras. It's how they use that skill that matters, not that they can do it.

>> No.3526448

>>3526436
well said. it isn't easy to fin the space and money to paint traditionally.
they're both different but same. each has it's advantages and disasvantages

but i dont think I'll ever get over the art not physically existing. only time will tell.

>> No.3526453

>>3526008
this is the only correct answer
>>3526131
fuck off

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>>3526134
that's because digital art desanctifies the fine arts, dissolving any need or desire for museums as an institution in favor of art markets. the transition towards "contemporaneity" in art discourse since the turn of the millennium provides enough evidence of that; so many museums scrambling to become their own "unique" public art experiences; your booj koons esque wealthy patron bullshit

>> No.3526497

sometimes i also feel like digital art is both beyond and behind trad art

You can choose whatever color you want and fill it in, and adjust it in photoshop to get as much pop or mood as you want

Compare it to trad where you had to know your liquid chemicals and the process...

You do eventually 'get over it,' tho. Because if you don't, you're only asking for stupid arguments.

>> No.3526772

>>3525992
My take:

Most digital art is actually commercial illustration.

Most fine art is still done using traditional methods and mediums.

Both are art, but different intents, and there's no value judgement of them being different. This era will be remembered in art history classes a hundred years from now for the commercial art.

That's why I do both - digital to make a living, traditional for me, and occasionally sell.

>> No.3526778

>>3526134
that would be because fine arts are physical, surely? what is the point of a digital art museum when you can see digital art at any resolution on any size screen you want?

you can't materialise a physical piece out of thin air.

>> No.3526779

>>3526778
What's the point? The prestige, even if you don't believe in it. You can't be this dense.

>> No.3526782

>>3526779
i understand the desire to want digital pieces in museums, but what motivation does a museum have to put up digital art in their museum?

>> No.3526899

retards think digital art museums and galleries don’t already exist lmfao
they don’t showcase Ruan Jia paintings but they exist and as time passes more will be created

>> No.3528964

>>3526212
>mass appeal but no respect
>doesn't know about niche online art markets and how commissioners have deep pockets

If the purpose of art is "to hang on a wall" then it's just a room decoration and you might as well just make pretty geometric design objet d'art stuff instead of giving a half toss about "realism". Digital art represents the fantasy art genre being able to move further "inward", so to speak, capable of representing reality without having to ever live it, a reality created as simulacra based entirely on representations with base reality being able to be discarded entirely. "digital art" is just well-polished artisanal internet memes, still worthy of respect for its ability to manufacture a fantastic reality as well as a real social reality of myriad fandoms. We can escape the world into the screen, shut out all their horrid screams, live forever as wizards of memes~

Your OCs will outlive you. Be kind to them.

>> No.3529001

>>3528964
You're right. Most digital art is on the same level as memes.

But for example, James Jean, he does a fair bit of digital work and it is amazing, But he also has the traditional skills and reverence to back it up.

>> No.3529002

>>3525992
digital art wont raise in value after your dead

>> No.3529011

>>3529001
You’re retarded if you don’t think the future is digital. Digital art is already in textbooks alongside traditional. There’s no painting around today that is influential enough to be talked about for generations and they’re likely never will be again. You’re just like the niggas that shit talked impressionism when it was in its infancy, how’s that for irony

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3529036

ITT:
>video games will replace sports
>computers will replace people
>digital will replace trad

>> No.3529157

>>3529011
You're the retard if you think digital art will ever be more important than traditional.
What are your influences and experiences that lead you to have such a deluded perspective on the world of fine art.

You're probably an anime fag, right? In that case, yes, digital art is right for you.

>> No.3529164

>>3529157
I went to school for digital art that's where my "deluded perspective" came from
and no I don't draw anime you obtuse fuck

>> No.3529174

>>3529164
"went" to "school"

>> No.3529177

>>3529174
not everyone on 4chan is a neet like you or that guy, my dude

>> No.3529180

>>3529164
>I went to school for digital art that's where my "deluded perspective" came from
Big surprise, your digital art instructors kept telling you that digital art was the wave of the future and the only way.
Kinda like now where all the big fat black kwangs are told that their wakandan studies degrees are the only things worth having and are the wave of the future.

>> No.3529181

>>3529177
defends his "education" with ad hominem attack.

sure thing professor, yous a smart

>> No.3529186

>>3525992
>padres

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3529192

this change
people need to get over it
do you think artists always used mass produced pencils? do you think Da Vinci used store bought paint?
no if you're going to complain about people using digital medium as some sort of crutch then why dont you stop using rulers and make your own pencil?

>> No.3529220

>>3529036
Dumbass.

Video games have replaced sports for a lot of people. E-sport is even becoming a big thing.

Computers are replacing a lot of jobs. We are at the brink of the 4th industrial revolution. With the advances of robotics and AI (machine learning especially) the first white-collar jobs to go are lawyers and doctors.

Digital have already replaced traditional in many cases. Art exists to communicate ideas and feelings and people get that through digital mediums today.


TLDR: You are the real brainlet.

>> No.3529222

>>3529220
>e-sports

lol

>> No.3529224

>>3529222
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/21/epic-makes-fornite-biggest-esport-with-100-million-in-prize-money.html

It's what people spend their time on. As in instead of spending it on sports.

>but it's dumb.

Nobody cares what you think.

>> No.3529266

>>3529220
>spacing
upvoted my friend

>> No.3529274

>>3529266
>Desperate for something to attack.
>Starts projecting like crazy about spacing

Your retardation is showing.

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>>3529220
>>video games will replace sports.
>Video games have replaced sports for a lot of people.
>You are the real brainlet.
i don't even know if these people are just mentally challenged or troll to the core.

>> No.3529287

>>3529276
>"For a lot of people"=meaning all people
>thinking that showing a present trend to a question about what will happen in the future is the same as saying we are in that future already.


You are still the real brainlet. You are just digging yourself a hole with stupid comments making you confuse yourself.

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>>3529287
>replace
>replace
>replace
it's like you refuse to acknowledge the topic of discussion and keep dancing to your own autistic tune. acting smug only works if you aren't making a fool of yourself. show even the slightest bit of comprehension first.

>> No.3529297

>>3529276
>2013
NFL is doing way worse now

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>painting is art
>sculpture is sculpture
>film is film

>> No.3529313

>digital art is >v

>> No.3529315

>>3529295
>will replace

Means in the fucking future you shitbrain. Are you that anon above who had problems understanding common words?

>> No.3529332

>>3529192
I think your argument makes more sense if we use spray paint as the example. Like the old masters would definitely experiment and adapt to new art materials like spray paint and air brush. Not digital. It can be fun to mess around with, but the flaw of digital art is that there is no original physical piece of art.

>> No.3529358

>>3526772
I always wondered why digital commercial illustrations can't be considered fine art. If pop-art, like stuff by Warhol, and kitsch art, like stuff by Koons, hangs on gallery walls then why can't a digital illustration be art? I mean, sometimes it's just pop-art done on a computer.

If it's a question of intent, then why can't I hang a digital print with the sole intent of saying "this is fine art." Kinda like how Warhol hung paintings of Campbell soup cans and said the same thing.

>> No.3529361

>>3529358
because warhol was right

>> No.3529366

>>3529358
I think it's because of the same reason photography rarely does well in the fine art world.

>> No.3529369

Maybe if someone develops a way to incorporate digital art into a blockchain it could work.

>> No.3529370

>>3529361
Alright, so if Campbell soup cans can be fine art then can Ruan Jia or Loish or another kitsch-y digital artist's work br considered fine art? Honestly, I'd imagine that it'd only be a matter of time.

Imagine the day that a digital print hangs in the walls of a major museum, that'd be cool

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>>3529220
>E-sport
I'm a World class athlete!

>> No.3529373

Digital not being accepted is more a question of a niche group of traditional artists trying to fight reality.

In the future robots will be able to paint digital art onto canvases using real paint and pinpoint precision. People will not be able to tell the difference and Trad-only fags will be butt-blasted.

>> No.3529375

>>3529370
I could see that happening if you print one copy and delete the files.

>> No.3529376

>>3529372
Why are you so desperate to deny statistical evidence that groups of people who would had spend their time on sports are spending it on computer games today? It's like you are retarded.

>> No.3529379

>>3529372
Here's a reality check for you:

>The esports industry may hit a serious growth spurt this year, according to new data from Newzoo. In its annual report, the marketing researcher is predicting 2018 revenues to hit $905 million, a staggering 38% increase from 2017’s $655 million. Brand investment is expected to make a significant impact with an increase of 48% year-over-year.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2018/02/21/report-esports-to-grow-substantially-and-near-a-billion-dollar-revenues-in-2018/

>> No.3529383

>>3529379
Fuck off with gayming stuff. This about art.
There is a whole generation growing up with a gaming addiction, no shit video games are growing.

This is about digital art and its fatal flaw

>> No.3529384

>>3529379
also have to remember the insane popularity of twitch at the moment
actual esports tournaments get a few hundred thousand people watching, but every hour of every day there's the same amount watching streamers playing Overwatch, Fortnite, whatever, even when they're not pros

I don't know about esports events overtaking real sport ones, but the amount of viewers on twitch every day and how willingly they donate and support people is staggering

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>>3525992
Pen and Paper? Now that was art

>> No.3529431

>>3529036
Computers will replace people dumbass, the only people with jobs will be those IT maintenance guys

>> No.3529435

>>3529431
only if computers are cheaper

>> No.3529442

>>3529383

Fuck off yourself if you can't understand the context of a few post conversation.

>> No.3529443

>>3529435
Didn't say it would happen in your lifetime

>> No.3529453

>>3529443
Assuming you are not old or die before your time it will. In 10 years will start seeing it for real.

Today stock exchange workers and radiologist on hospitals have already been fully replaced. The were an incident some years back with a company that move a few meters or such closer to the exchange because it made a big difference when trading at the speed of light through fiber optics.

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>>3529431
>Computers will replace people dumbass
you an expert in artificial intelligence? cause the actual experts laugh at this popsci fantasy. computers replace dumbfuck jobs that humans shouldn't be doing in the first place. that is all.

the issue with this whole thread is people are asking questions to answers they don't want to hear. barely anyone on /ic/ is even fine arts educated. to them art history is equivalent to fucking dynamical quantum particle interactions. you try to engage with them and they get upset at the first thing they misunderstand.

the cold truth is there is a huge number of underage posters who shouldn't be here.

>> No.3529567

>>3529550
>dumbfuck jobs
Poor doctors

>> No.3529576

>>3526131

>It just lacks a certain soul

Accusing something of lacking soul is how people criticize something when they're too stupid or ignorant to come up with any real criticism.

>> No.3529582

>>3529567
doctor priorities are well scripted. they have to be because safety and politics. wherever there can't be scripting, that's where a human will remain. it's not that difficult to grasp. and we're possibly decades away from replacing doctors to any significant degree.

>> No.3529590

>>3529576
calling people stupid and ignorant is just what retards do when they can't come up with any real criticism

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>>3525992
I'm not happy Bob. Not. Happy.

>> No.3529991

>>3526032
>fiftyties

>> No.3529992

>>3529590
Post your shitty trad art so I can laugh at it

>> No.3530045

>>3529550
>cause the actual experts laugh at this popsci fantasy.

Not him but you are a dumbass. It is one of the most studied fields these days with clear estimates for its progress. Ignoring guys like Elon Musk, Bill Gates and other people you might have heard about who disagree with you we also got everyone from defense expert, leading entrepreneurs, scientists like Juergen Schmidhuber (Called father of AI) and others all saying the same thing.

Faggots like you got no clue as to what you talk about. One of the leading nations on AI today is China with its focus on big data.

Here's a list of jobs that will mostly go away in the next 10-20 years.

Banking
Doctors(High pay means more incentive to replace.)
Lawyers
Maintenance
Transport
Programming (Machine learning means AI write its own code.)
Production
Construction
Stocks. (Humans already can't keep up and lose money by trying to trade.)
Publishers
Cashiers
Airport/Travel Agents
Farmers

An Oxford study shows 45% current jobs gone in next 10 years.

>> No.3530051

>>3529992
You think i want to taint my art with the creep eyes from this board?
Im not successful enough to survive the shame that would come from being associated with you tards.
Maybe in the near future i will, but 10 being god im probably at a 6-7 as an artist.

>> No.3530056

>>3530051
>namefagging
>claims he doesn't want the attention if he could
I doubt that.

>> No.3530064

>>3530051
No what you are is a larper. At least the other tards that namefag actually do art

>> No.3530069

>>3530064
Okay buddy.
Give me a couple of days and ill paint something specifically for here so i cant be doxed.

By the way post your stuff pussy

>> No.3530070

>>3530069
What’s the point of posting art when all you will do is water it down to the medium because your brain is flat?

>> No.3530072

>>3530070
So i can judge it by the skill and creativity. The medium is irrelevant if we are just judging skills... duh. You stupid or something.

>> No.3530074

>>3530072
All you fucking do is whine about digital and never post work on this board so sorry I don’t fucking believe your larping ass

>> No.3531209

>>3529002
Laughably untrue. If the work has value while you're alive, then the intellectual property rights are still worth the same when dead. A copyright is a copyright. (Until it expires).