/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3490800]

Why do people do these scratchy lines?
How do you get someone to stop doing these scratchy lines?
Are they really bad to do (as I think) ?


been trying to convince my bf to not draw with scratchy lines but he will. not. listen. He thinks they're better for art, are they?
They just look awful and insecure to me.

[Anonymous No.3490807]

post example of his lines because not all "scratches" are made equal. depending on artist it could also be a way to "feel the form" or may mean something other than what you think (my construction lines for instance look like im a schitzo but that's only cus it makes sense in my head but not to other people)

[Anonymous No.3490814]

Why do people do these bold lines?
How do you get someone to stop doing these bold lines?
Are they really bold to do (as I think) ?


been trying to convince my bf to not draw with bold lines but he will. not. listen. He thinks they're better for art, are they?
They just look awful and bold to me.
... bold.

[Anonymous No.3490856]

>>3490807
Usually its more scratches than this one but

[Anonymous No.3490858]

>>3490856
if he wants to chicken scratch then he should chicken scratch
not everyone takes drawing seriously

[Anonymous No.3490863]

>>3490858
He wants to improve and make a career out of art.

[Anonymous No.3490864]

>>3490856
that just looks stylistic to me but its hard to tell only seeing one portion of the picture. the odd squiggly lines compared to that super straight hatching is what makes me think its a stylistic choice.

[Anonymous No.3490866]

hmm, maybe!
>>3490864

[Anonymous No.3490868]

>>3490864
stylistic my ass, dude probably couldn't draw a straight line to save his life

[Anonymous No.3490869]

>>3490866
that's definitely poor line control
if hes doing it for fun then whatevs I guess

[Anonymous No.3490875]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=778KauuLvXI

[Anonymous No.3490877]

>>3490869
He wants to make a career out of art.

I wanna know how to convince him to not do this, maybe a reason as to why its bad to do? or a prof artist that warns against it or something? I wanna help him achieve his art goals and I feel like this line thing he does is holding him back

[Anonymous No.3490885]

>>3490877
If he wants to make a career out of art I’m assuming he takes or will take an art class in the future. The first thing they teach is how to hold a pencil (or whatever tool they are utilizing in the class) and how to draw with the entire arm. That will definitely help eliminate this bad habit.

I mean if he’s serious about it at all he will see the numerous books and videos that mention line quality. I have no idea how you could go about telling him since he seems put off by your attempts already.

[Anonymous No.3490887]

>>3490800
Here's a graphic to explain sketching for your boyfriend.

[Anonymous No.3490893]

>>3490887
lmao

[Anonymous No.3490901]

>>3490875
Someone besides me is shilling my based art senpai?

Anon, I love you.

[Anonymous No.3490906]

>>3490901
he always was /ourguy/

[Anonymous No.3490909]

>>3490814
spbp

[Anonymous No.3490928]

>>3490800
get him a wacom intuos so at the very least he can get comfortable with that tiny piece of shit

[Anonymous No.3490930]

>>3490863
Then tell him that he needs to stop chicken scratching, if he refuses then it's not on you if he never makes it. He's your boyfriend, right? Why is he being such a bitch about this?

[Anonymous No.3490952]

>>3490930
he says he knows what hes doing, I just wanna help him mannnnnnnnnnnnn.. I gotta get someone else to tell him or smthn

[Anonymous No.3490957]

>>3490930
>he says he knows what hes doing
>can't draw a clean line
how does it feel to be with someone who's ngmi

[Anonymous No.3490973]

>>3490952
I'm serious about the intuos
get it at a best buy, return if he doesn't like it
because getting the hang of a dinky screenless tablet takes time that he would otherwise be wasting drawing big with his wrist

[Anonymous No.3490995]

>>3490877
Firstly, the reason behind this: Poor line control and confidence. If you aren't confident in being able to draw the line you want, you cover up your shortcoming by drawing a bunch of lines instead so that they combine to sort of look like one line. It sucks though and it's literally the first thing any artist should stop doing. How the fuck can you draw if you can't even put the line you want onto the paper without scribbling all over the fucking place?


Anyway, if someone thinks they know what they're doing when they aren't a fucking master then they simply are NGMI. The first step to improving as an artist is realizing that you suck, then figuring out how now to suck. So if he thinks he doesn't suck (which he definitely does) then he won't improve much at all ever, and he won't ever make a career out of it.

[Anonymous No.3491005]

Haven’t seen anyone else mention this but chicken scratching with your wrist is a good way to get carpal tunnel with all those repetitive motions. Pretty bad if he’s serious about doing art as a career.

[Anonymous No.3491011]

>>3490800
Tell your art BF that I used to think the exact same way, but I got redpilled on drawing with the whole arm, loosening up, and developing my line control. Instead of spending time agonizing over single lines, he could be busting out flowing, straight, any kind of line he wants left and right and smacking down gestures and the basic forms out in a matter of minutes like an absolute chad. Drawing ain't no pussy footing panty waisted mealy mouthing henpeckery, draw those lines like a man (or strong person of nonspecific gender). Get messy. Get loose. Let it flow. Master the line, make it go where you command it to go. Flex that arm and get some art gains or I'm going to come to your house and bang your wife.

[Anonymous No.3491021]

>>3490973
He already has a drawing tablet, he does not like it! and he still does scratchy stuff digitally

ty!! this stuff helps!!

[Anonymous No.3491355]

Stop. He's a dunning kruger, he will not let you help him, as he sees your advice as inferior. From his perspective you meddle with stuff you have no idea of. It hurts his pride and angers him, as he sees himself as competent.

My advice: Just let him make his mistakes. Experience will teach him sooner or later.

[Anonymous No.3491364]

>>3490863
>dating a guy who wants to be a professional artists

it's like you want your children to be destitute

[Anonymous No.3491502]

I don't like clean lines.
I want to look at a drawing, not some vector graphic

[Anonymous No.3491513]

>>3491364
Being a working professional (In art) doesn't mean being poor unless you have IC's average neet level work ethic, complete lack of life expearence and their general level of low self awareness.

[Anonymous No.3491532]

I constantly 'reinstate' my lines when drafting. Is this something I should work to eliminate or just leave it for clean up?

[Anonymous No.3491613]

>>3490800
Why does it matter if I chicken scratch with pencils if I'm going to ink it right after?

[Anonymous No.3491620]

>>3490800
Back-and-forth lines are bad.

>my bf
Faggot.

[Anonymous No.3491637]

>>3490800
throw chili powder in his eyes whenever he draws scratchy lines
when he draws smooth lines, reward him by not throwing chili powder in his eyes

[Anonymous No.3491779]

>>3491532
Reinstating is what art chads do

[Anonymous No.3491791]

>>3491613
it's more about going from general to specific
>drop some big lines, fix them up, drop some smaller lines, fix those up
not
>drop lots and lots of small lines and hope everything lines up correctly in the end

[Anonymous No.3491854]

Learn me /ic/ how to avoid chicken scratch

[Anonymous No.3491961]

>>3490887
kek

[Anonymous No.3492088]

>>3490856
>>3490866
I honestly think both of these look fine if done stylistically.
There's no reason why lines should have to be clean, in fact "messy" lines are great for conveying feeling and emotion when appropriate.
Digital art always tends to look emotionless and clinical because everyone obsesses over stabilisers and getting perfect lineart.

[Anonymous No.3492093]

>>3490887
you know thats kinda what I dont like in art theres so many conflicting statements, like I saw interviews with mangaka and they say just drawing the outline of people is a good exercise

[Anonymous No.3492164]

OP here
You all make great points! But isn't it also important to have confident lines? Yes you can ink over your scratchy lines but it takes a lot more time, and in my experience it ALWAYS looks very stiff and emotionless.
And isn't gesture drawing pretty important? You can't really gesture draw while doing scratchy lines can you? It like defeats the purpose

[Anonymous No.3492170]

>>3490800
feathery loose lines are fine and i'd actually recommend at the rough drawing stage. basically draw with whatever lines come out naturally when youre not worrying about cleanliness for most people its feathery strokes as their first line isnt usually right. Clean confident single stroke lines only matter when cleaning up, you can clean up with little lines too if youre careful but long ones look better

[Anonymous No.3492246]

>>3491532
restate. and that's part of sketching. whatever workflow works for you but i don't notice it much in those drawings unless you mean reinstate so you're erasing things and replacing them which to me is a waste of time in a sketch or means you need to sketch lighter.

[Anonymous No.3492267]

>>3490800
dump your bf, he's ngmi especially if he wants to do it as a career.

[Anonymous No.3492670]

>>3492093

You can learn a thing from the great Renaissance artists. Also >>3490800
Not everyone can master the fluid curve.

[Anonymous No.3492812]

>>3491637
hehe

[Anonymous No.3492869]

>>3490800
Honestly, my lines depend on the program and if it's digital or not. I tend to have more scratchy lines on programs like Drawpile or in traditional at times, but I tend to try and stay away from them unless its on a really rough sketch. I've learnt that bold lines tend to be better for art and being able to control your hand, so its easy to understand how it can be hard to get good at bold lines. Though, I suggest not forcing your BF to get off of the scratchy lines especially if they are sketching on paper.

[Anonymous No.3493051]

>>3492093
You can do outlines, it'll help you in many cases when constructing is just too retarded (like when dealing with hair/cloth wrinkles) and thinking in silhouettes and 2D shapes lets you come up with bold designs. The problem is neglecting to think about form which you should simultaneously be thinking about.

[Anonymous No.3493091]

>>3491637
Wrong. Encouraging is always better than discouraging. Trick him to draw secret line, give him a chocolate. If he doesn't draw a straight line, don't give him a chocolate.

[Anonymous No.3493146]

>tfw scrathy lined virgin
my friends actually like it because it reminds them of old medieval illustrations apparently.

[Anonymous No.3493299]

One thing I’m starting to find recently is that people put way to much focus on their lines when starting to draw and that your sketch lines don’t matter nearly as much as the form they are trying to capture. I always figured quick, clean lines were the best way to go about things and to try and capture the idea as quick as possible, but when I took a step back and began to focus on the idea and form instead of the speed and line quality my stuff instantly became more correct and less distorted upon mirroring it. I actually have a feeling that chicken scratching isn’t nearly as big a deal as it’s made out to be.

[Anonymous No.3493366]

>>3493299
pic related is not chicken scratching. Theres a difference between going over a good looking line a few times and drawing sraightish stiff lines a million times to make one form

[Anonymous No.3493382]

>>3493299
>>3493366
pic related

[Anonymous No.3493390]

>>3493366
>>3493382
It’s one of mine, and what I’m saying is I think that chicken scratch may have an unnecessary focus on it. I do think that when somebody focuses on creating a line rather than a form it’s an issue (which often leads to chicken scratch) but I wonder if new artists should be putting that much thought on their sketches line quality. Like I said, I personally dropped my sketches line quality to just focus on the form, proportions, pose,and anatomy, what I get is a clean but shakey line but a form that is more accurate and idea that’s more realized. Up till now though I was taught that quickly throwing down confident lines and picking the ones you like most out of them is the most appropriate way to sketch(such as in the Famous Artists Cartoon Course). I believe even Vilppu teaches a method similar to it. I just wonder if focusing on line so early on in an artists development may be more harmful than good.

[Anonymous No.3493393]

>>3490875
>why drawing nice linework doesn't matter
>draws only nice linework
fucking cunt whats the point of your video?

[Anonymous No.3493394]

>>3493390
youre still not defining chicken scratch right. its not just drawing many lines, its hairy short hatch marks, those are bad. drawing several lines and feeling your form and gesture is NOT CHICKEN SCRATCHING. short hatch marks corrupt the form, theyre indicative of an artist who isn't working from a macro perspective, is neglecting overall form. it leads to bad anatomy, bad gesture, flat objects

[Anonymous No.3493404]

>>3493394
Maybe you’re right, Iunno, I’ve only very recently started drawing with this “less focus on line quality” thing and it has me rethinking a lot of things. You also have artists like sssonic2 who’s sketches look very, very close to chicken scratch, but perhaps he isn’t the best artist to use as an example.

[Anonymous No.3494180]

>>3493404
Not focusing on line quality =/= chicken scratch. Are you making whole lines? If you are, it doesn't matter how messy you get, you are not chicken scratching. Period.
Chicken scratching is akin to trying to make a line by cross hatching instead of just drawing a line.

[Anonymous No.3494192]

>>3490800
teach him to find the way his wrist moves for curved lines and how to move his elbow for straight lines. he's probably drawing too small too. get him a larger pad of paper and a sharpie.

[Anonymous No.3495919]

Deny him doggy treats.
That'll teach him to stop scratching.

[Anonymous No.3496044]

It's what most artists who are still feeling out the form do. Even you will if you aren't sure about what you are producing

He will stop with practice and congidence.

[Anonymous No.3496062]

>>3490800
>>3490814
How do I get my lines to have that "rough" texture to it? I'm using SAI, is this achievable? I tried messing with the Pencil settings but I can't get it to be a nice line like the Pen tool

[Anonymous No.3496762]

>>3490875
A good and informative video, but it does not answer any question raised by OP. The title is kinda misleading about the content.

[Anonymous No.3496765]

>>3490800
it looks bad when it's not a carefully used stylistic choice. like if you don't care about getting better at your hobby or whatever then go for it i guess. just own up to it. it's lame as fuck to say "that's just my style". everyone can tell you're just being lazy. it's okay to be lazy, just suck with grace

[Anonymous No.3496775]

>>3490858
say it with me

NGMI