Vent thread

[Anonymous No.3485145]

Vent thread
Post what’s bothering you (art-related)

I’ll start:

I was making good progress over the past year but feel like I’ve hit a bump and can’t improve. I’m becoming increasingly more impatient and feeling like I’m NGMI.

[Anonymous No.3485178]

>>3485145
I have all the books I need, all the tools, everything. I just can't bring myself to study seriously, I don't have the patience and a clear goal in my head to actually do it. I've been posting shit on /las/ for some weeks now

[Anonymous No.3485196]

easy fix

figure out what you think isn't improving. pinpoint the downfalls in your work. do studies of whatever that is. if its in everything you do its probably a foundation you didn't study enough before you started to try making master pieces.

nothing is bothering me (art related) because im consuming tons of information/gaining knowledge right now by studying things im uncomfortable with. i suggest you do that!

[Anonymous No.3485197]

>>3485145
Why don't we start addressing your issue by posting your work?

[Anonymous No.3485327]

>>3485145
I can't shake the feeling that everyone is improving quicker than me

[Anonymous No.3485338]

>>3485145
I don't understand how people can draw from imagination. For the past few weeks I've been nothing but drawing heads, just hundreds and hundreds of them. I've improved a bit but I still can't draw a single decent one from imagination

[Anonymous No.3485343]

My SO barely comments on my art and it's so damned discouraging. I guess he can't complain when I start taking the time to maintain an online presence.

[Anonymous No.3485383]

I honestly believe that art school kill my imagination and made me to self conscious about my art. So now I don't complete anything because I don't think it's good enough.

[Anonymous No.3485400]

>>3485383
What art school did you go to?

[Anonymous No.3485401]

>>3485338
then youre drawing mindlessly. you need to absorb information when you do studies

[Anonymous No.3485405]

>>3485383
why? are you not as good as you thought? serious question because you have an air of entitlement. if your art school makes you feel like shit about your art then you need to fix something. and your being complacent.

[Anonymous No.3485409]

>>3485401
What kind of information? Because I know the proportions, shapes, etc, and can put that to use when drawing from refs

[Anonymous No.3485424]

>>3485409
perhaps its a matter of understanding what makes a face attractive then anon. if you know proportions and shapes then study the combination of those things that make a face look good. there are principles of an attractive face like there are principles of good composition

[Anonymous No.3485428]

>>3485424
That could be it. Thanks anon, I'll give it a try

[Anonymous No.3485429]

>>3485327
me too desu

[Anonymous No.3485433]

>>3485145
>can't blend smoothly like a chad
>look up tutorials
>12+ layers used
>mfw

That's discouraging fuck that I just want to blend smoothly.

[Anonymous No.3485436]

>>3485433
use smudge tool in photoshop with high scatter rate
use water tool in sai
use watercolor/oil tools in clip studio paint

now you blend like a chad

[Anonymous No.3485437]

>>3485343
you might suck

[Anonymous No.3485451]

>>3485338
drawing from life helps

[Anonymous No.3485466]

I’m a professional animator new to the board. I hate /co/ and /tg/ has just become really toxic but this board is kinda my new go-to.

What I hate is NGMI. It just seems like a way to put others down. I understand that some people thrive on stress but when there’s a pencil of Damocles looming over you it’s just not constructive.

I can’t say anything though because I’m a professionally trained artist, young, and I’ve literally MI. Though there’s a loose definition of what I is. That’s probably what I hate about it, since there’s no real definition of I suddenly NGMI becomes the scariest thing an artist can think of.

It’s not really a specific set of parameters, it’s just vague by design in order to elicit the most primal feelings.

[Anonymous No.3485476]

>>3485338
One thing to try is to draw the reference, and then draw that same reference from different angles. That way you are using your imagination, but you still have a reference point.

[Anonymous No.3485479]

>look up to a bunch of cool artists with inspiring work
>start a page and aspire to be as good as them
>work up the ladder and get noticed by all the cool artists that inspired you, they like your work too and want to be friends
>can't maintain a normal friendship because you spent years looking up to them and can never shake the feeling that you're still under their shadow
>start to feel like being equal to them is impossible, push them away out of petty jealousy, not understanding why they'd like your work to begin with when they're so much better

[Anonymous No.3485484]

>>3485145
I'm sorry I shitpost. Truth is I bully you because I like you. But you're all still faggots.

[Anonymous No.3485494]

>>3485466
>What I hate is NGMI. It just seems like a way to put others down
That's cause that's exactly what it is

[Anonymous No.3485497]

>>3485145

>Desperately want to draw X
>spend 3 years studying hard learning to draw X
>Get pretty good
>Step back and try to draw Y
>Realize you're fucking terrible at Y
>Try to study but you''re so bad at Y in comparison to X that everything about Y is discouraging

Fuck me I thought I'd improve everywhere by studying hard. How do you spend all this time learning lighting/color/forms/perspective only to find out applying it to scenes is completely different from applying it to characters? I can't paint a landscape to save my fucking life.

[Anonymous No.3485498]

>>3485484
I-I forgive you.

[Anonymous No.3485503]

>>3485497
learning the fundamentals of form/lighting should apply to landscapes and so should the principles of perspective. you lack a visual library of landscapes. so you need to study them and add to your library

[Anonymous No.3485557]

>>3485145
I made a friend while I was into a fandom. When that friend stopped being into the fandom I feel like I've lost them. We used to talk everyday now it's been months since we talked

[Anonymous No.3485567]

>>3485145
I finally was able to admit to myself that I'm 10000% jealous of my art rival, who's one year younger than me but a light years ahead of me in skill. We started at the same time but while I coasted for 2 years, he keep pushing and now he made and everyone loves him. I hate myself by being for being a dumb shit and being worse than him in almost everything (with one exception) but at same time, I'm glad I know him because this last one year I been pushing and improving as much as I am thanks to him. Thanks to pressure, anger and jelly I feel looking at his drawings.

I don't know if I'll ever catch up with you, you skilled fucker, but I'll be close eventually.

[Anonymous No.3485577]

>>3485145
Been debating myself why i choose to post my stuff in the first place, I always conclude is because i want to be noticed, be told i'm doing something right in my life and just feel validated.
I've tried to get into fandoms and make fanart but in the way i end meeting so many people that are way more skilled than me and it just sends me into a spiral of autistic self loathing and envy that crushes my spirit and my mental health a bit more each time.
Oh, and my art sucks cock.
People say is not THAT bad but they're lying.
I try to do something about it but i believe is pointless to just do it for myself, if is for my own happiness i think i'm not even worth the effort.

[Anonymous No.3485582]

>>3485557
I'm sure they still think of you sometimes anon.

[Anonymous No.3485588]

>>3485577
pyw i wanna see it
it cant be that bad, the eye learns faster than the hand

[Anonymous No.3485592]

I keep making excuses like "I have garbage spatial intelligence" to try and shift the blame off of myself when in reality I'm just lazy and don't try nearly hard enough.

[Anonymous No.3485634]

>>3485178
FK man the same for me, exactly the same.
My initial goal was to do appealing bruce timm esk art, lewd but classy stuff.
Finally as i learned more and realized his style is meme BS i can't really motivate myself to do anything.

[Anonymous No.3485753]

>>3485145
I know I should not care what SJWs or people who are afraid of boobs think but I dread getting grilled for drawing sexy pin up art.

[Anonymous No.3485763]

>>3485338
Drawing heads (or anything really) from imagination basically entails memorizing a simplified 3D form and sticking other 3D forms onto it. Work from a general, simplified 3D form and add onto it, refine it and clean it up.

Exaggeration and simplification can do a lot to help you understand facial features and make you feel less self-conscious and awkward due to trying to make it look perfect and realistic. It's also pretty fun. Make a bunch of blobs and put facial features on them. Make blocky shapes and put facial features on them. Draw them from a bunch of different angles. Experiment with different shapes of head and differently shaped facial features. Draw people from photos and exaggerate their facial features and the way their head is shaped.
Try reading some books on drawing the head too, practice from those, and just keep practicing. You'll get better at it.

[Anonymous No.3485764]

>>3485763
>Drawing heads (or anything really) from imagination basically entails memorizing a simplified 3D form and sticking other 3D forms onto it. Work from a general, simplified 3D form and add onto it, refine it and clean it up.
thats something that i actually made wrong all the time. I learned to draw one nose and drew that all the time. At the same time i was wondering why my heads looked all the same. I was (good) symbol drawing the whole time without realising it

[Anonymous No.3486134]

>>3485634
why is it a meme?

[Anonymous No.3486291]

>>3485338
I mostly draw from imagination and one important aspect is that it takes more time and preparation. There's a lot of information in an image you need to build on your own.

The best way to go at it is to work in small stages and keep trying. Draw loads of thumbnails until there's a good one, pick a colour scheme that works, sketch over the thumbnail with it, build the perspective boxes, build the general proportions of everything, proper structure and so on. Later on you can start removing some of the crutches but you need all you can get for now.

But really, keep trying until you get results, and next try you get slightly better results and so on.

[Doggy No.3486295]

I feel like almost everyone is better than me at everything.

[Anonymous No.3486298]

I don't know why I keep drawing other than I feel bad if I play video games.

[Anonymous No.3486300]

>>3485567
Where do you find an art rival? It sounds like a great point of motivation and pretty fun. It feels like I'm on a separate island from the rest of the art community. I don't get how people become art friends.

[Anonymous No.3486317]

>>3486300
Try joining public rooms on draw pile, make friends.

[Anonymous No.3486326]

>>3485145
>paying lot of attention to my work, trying to improve
>noticing so many general flaws that totally get lost
>trying to make each of my pieces focused around fixing one-two of my weaknesses
>discovering a dozen of new ones along the way each time
>billions of things I'd like to fix just keep piling up
>multiply this by the amount of different techniques I'd like to try
>meanwhile I can't even tell if I'm actually improving

[Anonymous No.3486334]

>>3485577
>meeting so many people that are way more skilled than me and it just sends me into a spiral of autistic self loathing and envy that crushes my spirit and my mental health a bit more each time.
Welcome to the club.

[Anonymous No.3486403]

>>3486134
Can't remember, just feeling it's subpar.

I guess the more you learn about something it looses its value.

[Anonymous No.3486447]

>>3486334
Thanks, i hate it.

[Anonymous No.3486554]

>>3485145
I am tired of everyone on here being rude and not giving me actual good critiques on my art. they are being petty and i think jealous. Its annoying i just want a good critique. I have people offering to buy my art all the time and still people act rude to me and im tired of it. I have a huge following on instagram and get critique all the time. I wish you guys could be positive and just enjoy making art.

[Anonymous No.3486555]

>>3486554
here is some of my art that got a lot of good comments and critiques

[Anonymous No.3486563]

>>3486134
i mean his females are all clones with different hair. same for most dudes he draws. but that's the only fault i can name, his comics are beautiful

[Anonymous No.3486577]

>>3486554
>>3486555
When I was in high school, I posted my portfolio after getting a portfolio review at a local college. It wasn't that good, but I was excited that I knew how to improve my art after that experience. /ic/ was really kind to me back then. People are extra mean just to be mean now

[Anonymous No.3486586]

>>3486577
i dont need to improve, i just need critique. i want to sell my art.

[Anonymous No.3486592]

>>3486586
you need to improve that's my critique, its terrible anatomy-wise and you didn't even draw the flowers, it looks so lazy and boring you will never sell it.

[Anonymous No.3486637]

>>3486586

Ahaahaaahaahah... Ah

You cannot be serious you don't to improve you just to sell your art are you out of your simple mind child?

[Anonymous No.3486669]

>>3485476
Oh you cheeky lil bastard!

Thank you!

[Anonymous No.3486670]

>>3485479
So this is how it feels

[Anonymous No.3486756]

>>3486670
How it feels to what?

[Anonymous No.3486907]

Does anyone know if fighting games help relive stress? I need a new outlet and a sale is going on for some games (haven't really played video games since like 15/16 besides blizzard games).

[Anonymous No.3486929]

>>3486907
They probably wont if you dont take well to losing, though learning and pulling off combos that you thought to be impossible for you, execution wise is a pretty good feeling. Getting clutch wins is tight as hell too.

[Anonymous No.3486931]

>>3485145
I'm too fucking impatient. I take so much time in the beginning and near the middle-end of the drawing I get pissed off and screw up.

[Anonymous No.3486973]

>>3485145
I wish I had some foresight that the degree I'd finish in wouldn't let me earn enough money to live comfortably enough to do art. I was aiming for an office job but man the pay is so shit and the commute is long (had to live far away to save money).

Had to take a vocational course so that maybe a manual job would get me more money.

Getting tired after a long day is a meme. All you need is a warm bath and caffeine and you can still pump out 2-3 productive art hours in a day

[Anonymous No.3486983]

>>3486973
>All you need is a warm bath and caffeine and you can still pump out 2-3 productive art hours in a day

Technically you can. But in my experience I end up dozing off at work at random if I do this every day for a few weeks. My coworkers can tell I haven't been sleeping enough too. It makes me angry that even though you can get 2 - 3 more hours the amount of drawing that I do between said hours is barely what I would call effort.

[Anonymous No.3486995]

>>3486983
Use sleepyti.me to calculate when you should sleep to wake up at the time you want. You shouldn't be groggy when you wake up and just drink whatever caffeine you want whenever you feel like dozing off.

[Anonymous No.3486997]

>>3486983
>It makes me angry that even though you can get 2 - 3 more hours the amount of drawing that I do between said hours is barely what I would call effort.

What you're trying to do is build a routine. 2-3 hours of drawing a day is better than no hours of drawing.

[Anonymous No.3487007]

It pains me that I can't color like sunibee or justmegabenewell because I suck at learning new shit without someone holding my hand

[Anonymous No.3487008]

After hearing Marko Djurdjevic talking about being afraid of making a bad drawing and how pointless it is to feel that way, I decided to get some shitty paper and try to freehand figures. Something I always wanted to do, but was afraid of coming out bad.

So, guess what. I "kinda" can do some figures freehand. I'm no KJG or anything like that of course, I still have a long way to go but I'm super happy my freehand stuff is ok (depending from the angle, haha).

I know I'll feel miserable as always tomorrow, but just for a few hours, I'm enjoying the good feeling.

Gotta keep pushing.

[Anonymous No.3487009]

>>3485145
Drawing is not capturing the entire likeness, its very physical, in that you pick a medium to work with and just try to capture the likeness of subjects and references.

This whole time my autistic brain didn't understand this and tried to replicate a 1:1, basically tried to become a human printer. This might be good for an accuracy test, but will drive you crazy as an artist. Because you're "Doing" art, but why are you not enjoying it??? That question bothered me to no end.

its not about copying the reference, just like how a singer doing a cover of a famous song is not a direct copy. It would be impossible, and hard for people to enjoy. When you walk in the subway and pass by buskers singing elton john, it's the best when they make the elton john song their own, and you walk away feeling like you got to hear something special. The same I think, applies to art.

[Anonymous No.3487014]

>>3487009
and I think this is what people really mean when they talk about 'creativity' and all that buzzwordy nonsense - the way in which you decide to /do/ your rendition of the subject is where your talent lies, and it is the same thing you try to hone. Not just sit at your desk and copy and copy and copy and copy. Smart vs Stubborn.

[Anonymous No.3487025]

>>3486907
Why are you stressed?
If it's because you're afraid of doing bad work then a difficult solo fighting game can be good for you.
It's nearly impossible to win against decent players during your first few years, but you'll have to play awfully anyway if you want to get good at some point.

[Anonymous No.3487026]

>>3487008
Could you possibly link that? I believe I could use a listen/watch

[Anonymous No.3487028]

>>3487026
not the original poster, but this looks like its it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=iOW6cBFcOZ4

[Anonymous No.3487040]

I was a freelance artist for a decade and after a year's break have been working to re-claim my art and detach it from something that only exists to fulfill my financial and/or identity needs and make it something more. I'm working on a treatment for a short comic that would be "just for me" but it's terrifying to go for it even if I would never share it with anyone else. Maybe I'm just afraid of what's inside of me. It's easily been 12-13 years since I've made any art for myself. The second I went to art school it was all about how I could make this perfect mass market-style art so that I could be a success... It was hard, I had professors who used to tell me that my work wasn't accessible enough and that my work was too weird. This is such a first world problem and I'm thankful for all of the freelance work I've gotten over the years but me drawing "normal" mass market things while others get to make really wild shit and I feel too afraid to do it has always been incredibly painful. The vulnerability struggle is real basically.

[Anonymous No.3487051]

>>3485466
Don't do it this board is the worst , I can't stop going here because I made a habit out of it ,save yourself go to /loomis/ or /film/

[Anonymous No.3487053]

>>3486554
^ this

[Anonymous No.3487056]

>>3486563
So? The same goes for anime

[Anonymous No.3487057]

>>3485145
whenever I start projects, I'll obsess over small details and not advance. This slows things down to the point of me losing motivation to work. I also want to kms like that green frog fellow hehe :')

[Anonymous No.3487061]

>>3487007
suni is pretty based, I'm sure he'll give you tips if you branch out to him!

[Anonymous No.3487078]

>>3487009
>>3487014
Thanks anon, I'll save this.

[Anonymous No.3487083]

>>3486555
>Redlines u from behind x3
>*notices symbol drawing* Owo what's this..?

>>3486554
>Jealous
Wew lad
>>3486586
>"I want critique but I don't need to improve, also I want to sell my art ~(◡ω◡)"
WEW
E
W

Wow, looks like I got a writing prompt for my vent! Thanks, anon!
I mean, where do I even start? Do you understand the purpose of 'critique'? Do you even know what it means? 'Critique' means "Hey guys, tell me what's wrong with my work and what I need to do to improve, because boy howdy am I some fresh hot garbage right now and I want to do better." Criticism does NOT mean "Give me buttpats and don't tell me I'm bad, it's my style and I have a bajillion-mcsquillion basic white girls and post-menopausal housewives following me on Instagram, so I'm already perfect UwU".

You want to sell your art? Well, good luck with that because, to be brutally honest, it's hot garbage. You are smack dab right at the bottom of the /beg/ totem pole and your work is uninspired- basic, I daresay. Worst of all, you don't even seem to see it.
You have so many followers on instagram, not because you're an amazing artist, but because you make feel-good artsy-crafty womun-affirmative stuff, and you're following almost as many people as are following you so I'm just going to take a flying leap of deduction and assume that a large portion of your followers followed you because you followed them.

Look, I don't want to be mean here, but /ic/ is a place meant for artwork and *critique*. People come here to try to learn. Whether that's actually a good idea or not is a different story, but this is not the place you come to to feel good about yourself or get buttpats. You come here to learn and/or shitpost.

Want to hear a nugget of real-world, practical wisdom? "The wise man knows that he knows nothing." There is no shame in admitting you don't know something, because once you are aware of your ignorance, you can fill that ignorance with knowledge. Learn humility and git gud.

[Anonymous No.3487086]

>>3485145
I have forgotten how to teach myself to become better at drawing. I forgot how to grind since I have this need to "I want to draw this and I'll improve it this way.". I don't sketch unless it's on paper and I never use an eraser when I do so. I hate myself because of that and now I am stuck since the ideas I have in my mind are out of my reach and I can't make them real.

[Anonymous No.3487090]

>>3486555

Good job, Anon. I really like the way you painted the head. You're choice of colors are really nice and the small symbols throughout add a nice touch. Adding the flowers to the canvas really takes drawing in 3D to a whole different level, giving people the opportunity to actually feel the forms.

You don't need to change anything, Anon, nothing at all...

[Anonymous No.3487132]

>>3485145
I want to make a comic and ive been thinking of the way the story is gonna go and creating refrences for characters but i cant shake the feeling that ill never be able to see it through and get bored of making it or even make it at all.

[Anonymous No.3487149]

>>3485338
Quite similar but more with a visual library issue.
I feel like my visual library is decaying overtime and it's hard to come up with anything original.
Despite reading various novels, manga, comics and watching movies, tv series, anime etc. It's hard to come up with something without falling into some trope or artist copycat.

[Anonymous No.3487232]

I'm so fed up of tracers getting fucking money and praise to trace.
A relative of mine is praised and paid by my family for their "amazing art" but I can tell from a mile away their stuff is traced.
Most artists here too even have art exhibitions of portraits of people which are exactly some photograph but traced with pencil.
Even an app can do that ffs.

I wish I could find it in me to be a cunt too and trace things and make a living out of it like these people but the guilt and weight on my consciousness is too much.

sure you still need the skill of colouring but that's nothing compared to a full piece made by yourself.

and even things like, say, tracing some parts but then drastically adding and changing things... I can kind of understand and accept that, but tracing detail by detail all the same, even the shadows, and claiming it all as your own? Fuck, man.

[Anonymous No.3487238]

I feel like I'm too retarded to actually retain any of the studies I learn and looking at all the things I can improve on (re: fucking everything) makes my fucking mongoloid brain shut down.
>>3485577
Man I fucking feel you on the whole being surrounded by better artists thing. Rather than feeling 'inspired' or some horseshit like that I just get overwhelmed with hatred and envy

[Anonymous No.3487380]

>>3485145
I can't draw hot furry porn

[Anonymous No.3487383]

The first thing that's given me artistic fulfillment in nearly 8 years is going to cost me my relationship of 4 years.

[Anonymous No.3487387]

i'm just loosing confidence besides
old as shit and nothing archived

i don't even know where to go my works look pretty cheap yeah you can think this as excuse but it really does

[Anonymous No.3487395]

>>3485145
I waste too much time on sleeping and doing nothing instead of drawing even though its the only thing I want to do.
I basically even stopped playing vidya without realizing it. I don't get why Im so tired all the time, I'm not even working at the moment.

[Anonymous No.3487405]

>>3487395
It’s called depression

[Anonymous No.3487407]

>>3487132
I've a similar problem, but instead of improve my drawing skill I'm working on the world building and add unnecessary things which nobody will ever care about.

[Anonymous No.3487409]

>>3487395
Same here anon.

Too scared to go on meds either.

[Anonymous No.3487412]

Even if your art gets close enough to industry standard and you make connections by going to events you are at the mercy of companies not being able to afford to take on junior artists. There is so much visual noise out there that it's hard to get noticed. Just like with any other job you're high risk until you've proven yourself (yet you never get a chance to do this because they don't want to take a chance).

it's been one hell of a journey but this waiting at the gates is torment.

[Anonymous No.3487421]

>>3487395
constantly wanting to sleep and feeling way to tired to even try to be active is a very high sign that you might be depressed.

Since i'm taking antidepressant i'm way better so just in case. You might want to go seek some help.

[Anonymous No.3487431]

I just sprained my fucking hand. I am unable to hold a goddamn pencil in my dominant hand right now. What the fuck /ic/, what do I do to avoid loaing gains until I can hold a pencil again?

[Anonymous No.3487439]

>>3487431
If you mean losing the stuff you already learned you won’t lose it that easily if you actually absorbed the information

[Anonymous No.3487461]

I only get really inspired to draw a few times a year and outside of that I've got nothing to show. I'm tired of grinding like I did when I first stared. Grinding without inspiration is just work to me that I don't want to do anymore. Might just have to live with it at this point. I don't know how people stick with practicing things if it's not fun. I guess it's called having work ethic or something.

[Anonymous No.3487470]

I sometimes feel like art is a pointless shitty introvert hobby that will never make me feel satisfied and will only ever make me feel more insecure.

[Anonymous No.3487535]

>>3487470
is this a blind contour drawing?

[Anonymous No.3487555]

Every time I start getting into the flow of actually finishing some drawings again I feel really good and think I've improved a lot all of a sudden, then I wake up and suddenly everything I was proud of last week is hot garbage. It's really discouraging to constantly realize that I'm still pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.3487617]

>>3487061
holy shit you're right I'm such a fucking autist that I didn't even bother asking

[Anonymous No.3487629]

>>3485466
their heads are fucking huge

[Anonymous No.3487647]

>>3486907
thrash low level chess engines

[Anonymous No.3487652]

>>3487083
>when a redline is so bad it changes the fucking gender
take your own advice and git gud

[Anonymous No.3487656]

>>3485466
>toxic
You're better than this anon, don't use the T-word.
Kinda agree with the NGMI statement, even if I don't mind it too much myself. It actually helped me at some point to make me realize my art is dogshit. It has its place as a reality checker of sorts, crabs or anons trying to fit in just use it way too much.

[Anonymous No.3487658]

I wish I had started at a younger age. I made a career out of something else instead, and I feel that I might have been happier like this.

[Anonymous No.3487714]

>>3485145

Anyone get weird hand movements that you cannot control when you are doing 14 hours a day studying?

That's the thing I can study that long, I can draw that long. But, seven hours into it I feel the need to do strange hand movements and I feel strange.

The problem is I need to get good. But, its doesn't feel good.

[Anonymous No.3487719]

>>3487714
Take breaks ya dummy, stretch and drink water
Or course you're going to have sore limbs if you stand 7 hrs sitting in front of a tablet
>The problem is I need to get good. But, its doesn't feel good.
Are you mindlessly grinding gestures and fundies or are you also doing completed drawings? You need to do those. At least one a day if you're working for as much as 14hrs, do it first and then start revisiting the fundies.

[Anonymous No.3487736]

>>3487009
Good post. It all comes down to interpreting the information in an appealing way, for instance look at how Mucha drew the head shape simply as an oval

[Anonymous No.3487751]

>>3486555
>absolute triumph of presentation over fundamentals
Any academic art teacher would just tell you to fuck off and go grind cubes.
It's not even worth looking at because you can just tell anyone about your presentation gimmicks (dude sad faggot with pretty flowers and wall of text on the background lmao) and it's gonna have just as much impact or appeal.

[Anonymous No.3487761]

>>3486555
16 year old studying a level art detected.

[Anonymous No.3487781]

>>3485196
Thank you anon, this is good advice. I'm going to try and pinpoint my downfalls right now!

[Anonymous No.3487935]

>>3487461
is this your piece anon? very comfy style

[Anonymous No.3487957]

>Artist posts work that obviously took 30+ hours of effort and a shit ton of practice to know how to do
>"I probably don't know what I'm doing lol"
This pisses me off so much, the facade that someone doesn't care about their work but can put out amazing looking shit, how delusional do you have to be to say something like this. Yet people eat this shit up because they think this fantasy of eccentric geniuses that are bestowed powers by god to produce art is real and these people are anything special or different.

[Anonymous No.3487974]

>>3487957
have you maybe considered that some people who are better than you are still bad?

[Anonymous No.3488007]

>>3487974
Yes, actually, something similar has hapened to me before. What I took from it was that if you don't respect the process of creating the work, you don't respect the work you are putting out and showing to others. In that case, why should other people care and give you respect as an artist in return?
If you recognise the flaws in your work, that's great, you should be looking for them and improving upon them. What you shouldn't do is blow them out of proportion and say your shit is worthless in order to bait the inevitable "Oh what are you talking about, this is amazing! I wish I had the talent to make something like that so effortlessly" in an attempt to validate yourself. If you're going to do something so disingenuous you might as well say nothing at all and let people judge your work on their own.

[Anonymous No.3488033]

>>3487957
>artists draws several fully rendered subjects and poses on one page
>"just some doodles lol"

[Anonymous No.3488050]

Just because someone’s art looks good doesn’t mean they know what they’re doing. Before I started grinding fundies my art looked good but only because it was accidentally good. Frankensteining techniques and colors from good artists without understanding why there’s a shadow here or why they used a certain color there. It’s guesswork and perhaps being an extremely visual person, through just content consumption alone you can make good looking art.

In a similar vein really beautiful and thoughtful doodles/sketches can be done by people who do fully understand fundamentals. They don’t have to do any of the guesswork for lighting/colors because they already know it. Or it’s just a faggot who wants asspats for a half rendered work they won’t finish that they dub a “doodle” instead of taking responsibility for their bad habit.

[Anonymous No.3488052]

>>3485634
How do we fix ourselves, anon?

[Anonymous No.3488071]

>>3485145
I have a pimple in my butt and burning diarrhea so I'm literally butt hurt it's art related because I was trying to make a diarrhea painting thing "art"

[Anonymous No.3488085]

>>3488050
I suppose that can differ between cases. The one in question that got me mad though is some anime sakuga type short animation, and I don't think you can just shuffle through Sakugabooru for a few hours and be able to come out with a good looking original piece of animation by accident. The guy's general art and animation fundies seem sound as well, he just doesn't seem to take any of his work seriously at all.

[Anonymous No.3488086]

>>3488007
ok so why are you getting mad at stupid people/bad artists? if you are actually respecting the process and looking to improve you should surpass them eventually because its obvious they're looking for attention more than they are looking to improve.

[Anonymous No.3488100]

>>3488086
Getting mad at stupid behaviour is unavoidable, so i'm trying to keep it contained to vent threads like this one.

[Anonymous No.3488153]

drawing isn't making the urge to die go away anymore

[Anonymous No.3488186]

>>3487431
be like Frazetta, man the fuck up and draw with your less dominant hand.

[Anonymous No.3488210]

>>3488100
i guess, but i personally think that they're more funny than they are irritating.

[Anonymous No.3488350]

>>3487935
Yeah it's mine, thanks. I've had a hard time getting zoned into a drawing the same way after completing this one though.

[Anonymous No.3488381]

>>3488153
Same anon.
And with /las/ at hand I think is just making me kill myself even more.

[Anonymous No.3488408]

>>3485634
That's why you take what you like about his style and fix the flaws yourself, dum dum.

[Anonymous No.3488414]

some days i can draw without much problems but some days i cant even fucking make damn circle or head or anything
this is one of those days
i don't know what to do and to be honest i'm a bit scared

[Anonymous No.3488417]

>tfw keep getting inconsistent levels of quality in my drawings
>50% comes out mediocre, 30% comes out awful, and 20% comes out pretty good
>that 20% inflates the fuck out of my ego
>look back through my sketchbook and notice that i'm not happy with most of it
I'm re-learning construction and shit from Loomis and I hope to attain a way more solid grasp on faces in a week or two and I'm already seeing results. I don't think I'm a bad artist, I'm just a retard.

[Anonymous No.3488422]

>>3488414
Take more breaks. Don’t draw for a day at least. It’s like exercise, you’re working the drawing muscle too hard and you have to let it rest.

[Anonymous No.3488429]

So I recently took up Oil painting, I have also been painting with acrylics but the problem with acrylics is that I cant get an "impressionist look" with acrylic paint so im switching to oils.

I am a huge procrasinator and its a really tough habit to break. I will wake up and say I want to spend today painitng and practicing my drawing skills and mixing values. But I always end up on the internet doing research on impressionist artists and finding paintings that I find inspirational and want to use a reference so I end up spending my free time online and not actually painting. I only have so much canvas panels and cant afford to keep buying more when I screw up a painting.

Has anyone experienced something similar to my situation ?

[Anonymous No.3488438]

>>3485577
What makes an artist good is the ability to convey what they want. Figure out what you want to convey and focus on that.

People get away with sameface when all they want to do is draw pretty characters. Someone drawing hyperrealistically isn't going to focus too much on exaggerating proportions. No one's going to bother learning the ins and outs of drawing emotions if all they're going to draw is instruction manuals on how to put together machinery.

You wanna make silly fancomics? Learn expressions and movement. Just pretty images? Gitgud at colors and lineart. I have literally no fucking clue what you're drawing now, but you're probably comparing the stylistic equivalent of apples and oranges. Stop it.

If you, like me, want to be a jack of all trades and able make ALL THE THINGS, cool. But looking at your 2-second doodle and comparing it to fucking SAKIMI-CHAN (using her for the sake of example) is just retarded.

Also, most of your viewers are going to be fucking plebs who can't see all the flaws anyway. When in doubt, two cakes is still two cakes. You don't have to be the best to get noticed.

[Anonymous No.3488651]

>>3485424
tell me about these principles please

[Anonymous No.3488669]

>>3488651
Golden ratio?

[Anonymous No.3488744]

>>3485145
Suddenly can't color clothes for shit, why sometime i suddenly went retarded even though i already do sometime many times?

[Anonymous No.3488825]

>>3487383
why anon?

[Anonymous No.3489155]

>commission someone recently because I have a few bucks to spare + fall in love with some animu waifu and I have nothing better to do
>go to artists' webpage
>it says they're open for commissions
>'oh boi oh boi'
>send cringey request of drawing my animu waifu + payment infos
>1 day later
>check artist's webpage again etc.
>forgot to read the slots part
>it's closed
>mfw I potentially bothered an artist I admire
please don't tell me I'm the only one who's done this sort of thing
h-has anyone else accidentally bothered an artist they like?

[Anonymous No.3489158]

>>3489155
If you care that much you could send a quick message acknowledging your mistake and just be like “sorry about that! Look forward to your slots opening in the future!” Or something.

[Anonymous No.3489161]

i'm tired of emails that start "thank you for your submission to (art show). Our curators had a very difficult time selecting the final show out of so many promising entries. Unfortunately blah blah u didn't get in"

[Anonymous No.3489163]

>>3488429
sounds like you're being too precious with your materials.
Paint on gessoed cardboard or paper, don't take the paintings so seriously

[Anonymous No.3489667]

>love helping friends
>love helping family
>just love it when people give me something to do
>got free time
>nobody needs me to help
>perfect time to work on art
>dont do it
>after a couple years of this or just forcing it, I ask myself in the shower
>"what is that one thing blocking me from doing things Im interested in?" i wonder while soaping my butthole
>a memory surfaces
>im in the car being picked up from afterschool
>excitedly showing mummy a comic book I made at school
>blabber about how everyone laughed and wanted a part two
>start drawing part two right there on the dash of the car
>notice mums slightly anxious tone
>thought shed laugh harder than my friends
>she doesnt
>suddenly lost all the ideas I had for part two
>put it away and never pick it up again
>snap back to reality,
>oop there goes gravity,
>bar of soap hits the ground with poop from my anal cavity

Finally I fucking get it
I never felt like taking on anything my mom didn't believe in, I trusted my mom that much
I was and still am a mommas boy thru and thru
Hold me

[Anonymous No.3489719]

>>3488438
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.3489934]

Normies literally just see if they like the image or not and that's how they judge if art is good. It could be the most technically impressive and most expressive piece ever made, but if they don't personally like it cause there's no anime boobs or "the person doesn't look happy" or whatever autistic reason, they'll say and really believe that it's trash art
F this gay earth.

[Anonymous No.3489972]

>>3489934
That or it's "boring" because it's not "inclusive enough" or something (read: black, visibly a demipangenderflux ademisexualromantic tranny, full of scars and stretch marks, disabled, muslim, etc.)

[Anonymous No.3489974]

>>3488033
God this shit has actually gotten under my skin and made me think I need to have at least 5 fully rendered figures on a canvas everyday to say I'm keeping pace with these other artists and producing as much as them.

[Anonymous No.3489989]

>>3489974
unironically ngmi if you bother with that

[Anonymous No.3490084]

All of my best drawings are just flukes.

I wish that less luck, and more talent.

[Anonymous No.3490089]

>>3489155
wtf bro... don't stress out so much about shit. If anything they will be glad and throw you onto their list anyways

[Anonymous No.3490100]

>>3485145
>t.millenial
kys

[Anonymous No.3490101]

I hate the feeling "i have only one shot so i gotta make it count". It's irrational, I could draw shit over and over if I wanted, but i cant shake the feeling. I'm working on a webcomic and time to time I fall into that paralysing pit of insecurity. That irrational "this is my only shot and im fucking it up bad" feeling just consumes me.

[Anonymous No.3490104]

>>3485577
>autistic
this is your problem. this is the problem of the majority of people here.
just give the fuck up already and stop littering this board with your fucking blogposts.
WE DON'T CARE
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[Anonymous No.3490114]

>>3488071
Kek

[Anonymous No.3490127]

>>3486317
>make friends.
draw the rest of the owl jpg

[Anonymous No.3490138]

>>3487395
It might be hypothyroidism, worth a check

[Anonymous No.3490140]

>>3485145
any program that one feature that you use all the time.
for me, it's preview image before opening the file and the reference docker in Krita.
Krita had removed the reference docker but had put it back later in 4.1, but the former has been missing since 2.9.
it bothers me just a little

[Anonymous No.3490145]

I'm stuck and scared of failure. I understand this state and know that I should just draw yet procrastinate and degrade all the time. It's been like this for three years already.

[Anonymous No.3490148]

>>3490101
I had this when I wasn't practicing a lot. But when I started to actually draw shit over and over that feeling went away.

[Anonymous No.3490218]

I feel that I'll never have as solid skills as that of people who went through formal education.

[Anonymous No.3490221]

I still dont get perspective. All i know is things get smaller and converge but my angles are always incorrect and fucky.

[Anonymous No.3490257]

>>3487421
>>3487395
Not him but fuck I'm in a same situation too

[Anonymous No.3490261]

>>3487431
Did you know people got 2x better after switching to their non dominant hand?

[Anonymous No.3490311]

I haven't really been able to make any strides as far as marketing and making money as an artist this summer. I always get hit with insecurity when I think about selling my art. The one day I said to myself I'd open commissions, I lost all steam the next day and wasn't able to draw anything satisfying.
I'm also still barely posting on my blogs, half my fault since I never make a "finished" illustration. Gotta make sure I meet my quota of making one at least every week.
At the very least I'm drawing almost everyday, and my sketches are getting faster/more presentable. My stylization and drawings from imagination all need improvement, but I feel I'm making strides.

[Anonymous No.3491621]

i'm too anxious

[Anonymous No.3491859]

>>3486326
Take note of the flaws for sure but feel free to move on from it. I'm /beg/ as fuck so I'll draw lines to make perspective and realise a different line would have been way better. So I add that one and act like the other line doesnt exist. It would likely help I'd I penciled it in first before jumping to pen.

[Anonymous No.3491861]

I always have some critical fucking flaw in my thinking process that takes month to figure out.

[Anonymous No.3491862]

>>3491861
>months
fixed

[Anonymous No.3493848]

>>3486295
It's all in your head anon.

[Anonymous No.3493880]

>>3491621
me too

[Anonymous No.3493883]

>>3493848
How do you know?

[Anonymous No.3493885]

>>3487405
>>3487421
Why is wanting to sleep and being tired a sign of depression? Is it not normal to be backlogged on your sleep?

[Anonymous No.3493890]

>>3485145
I can't leave my comfort zone. When I try everything seems shit and I just go back to drawing pretty lady portraits.

[Anonymous No.3493899]

>>3485577
>I always conclude is because i want to be noticed, be told i'm doing something right in my life and just feel validated.
I think everyone does that, anon. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

[Anonymous No.3493906]

>>3493883
I'm in your head.

[Anonymous No.3493910]

I really want to take a few years and dedicate them entirely to studying art but everyone seems opposed to the idea. I've never wanted to do anything more than illustration/art, but the only "safe" way of doing this would be to work a full time job only putting a few hours a day (at most) to practicing. I don't want to spend the next 5-6 years working a job I have no interest in just to make slow ass progress.

[Anonymous No.3493913]

>>3486555
kek it looks like her mouth is trying to run away from her face

[Anonymous No.3493920]

I want to draw, but every time I do, I get discouraged because my drawings are /i/-tier, maybe worse.

[Anonymous No.3493922]

>>3493910
It always feels like everyone opposes it. I think the only way is just to do it and tell everyone else off. Supposedly once you succeed, everyone is totally okay with it.

[Anonymous No.3493936]

>>3493922
Would your opinion be different if I had to quit university before starting my last year to afford it? I've been studying graphic design but now after 3 years I've actually come to realize just how useless attending school is if you have enough discipline to self-educate. I could make so much more progress in either field if I leave school behind, but I'll be abandoning the paper degree in the process. My parents have helped me with school and I have 10k left in savings. Its either enough to finish my last year of school and get the degree or take a couple years to study art.

[Anonymous No.3493938]

>>3485178
Aspire to draw porn. Nothings a bigger motivator than sex

[Anonymous No.3493939]

>>3493936
I should add my average salary is potentially much higher if I complete the degree, but Ill miss the only opportunity Ill have to focus on studying illustration for a very long time.

[Anonymous No.3493964]

>>3493920
just draw, senpai

[Anonymous No.3494001]

>>3493920
Do what I do and just take a step back and look up cartoons with simple style to latch on. Their just simplified shapes with a face.

[Anonymous No.3494012]

I'm still not good and I have no idea where I want to be artistically and for what purpose.
I enjoy it but maybe I should stop wasting time

[Anonymous No.3494142]

>>3493936
>>3493939
Don't quit when you've only got a year left.
Finish uni and get a job if you have no savings left, establish a daily routine that you will be able to expand later and save up some money from your job that will pay much more with the degree in hand.
Being a NEET art hermit sounds like a great idea but 90% of people fail because they're unprepared. There's a high chance you'll just waste away and struggle to even draw an hour a day, or even week. Having regular obligations like school or work makes you value free time much more, as a NEET time can just fly by like snap.

[Anonymous No.3494167]

>>3493885
>losing interest in hobbies
>feeling tired all the time
>finds it hard to be productive
>wants to sleep all the time

[Anonymous No.3494188]

>>3487555
Yep, I wake up every day feeling like a different person and have to re motivate myself to do anything i had long term plans for.

In a way it's a good thing to let the troubles of yesterday wash off your back but not when you need to grind and get shit done.

I keep remembering old plans i had to get gud etc and realizing, "Wow these are fantastic ideas, they would be a great way to progress", Then i wake up the next day and forget it.

Notes don't help if you don't feel anything in your heart.

[Anonymous No.3494193]

>>3488052
By suffering, by suffering and taking it on the chin.

I'm working though it now, I already take cold showers and have become comfortable with it.
Why not do the same with drawing shit everyday forgoing entertainment and well, fk. see where it leads.

[Anonymous No.3494197]

>>3488153
Same, Reading manga isn't helping me percist anymore, Everything has turned to shit.

[Anonymous No.3494211]

I'm overwhelmed by everything. There's just so much to learn. I can spend months on learning the human figure alone and render it decently, but then I still don't know how to do clothes, or landscapes, or scenes, or other objects like cars and planes and chairs and shit. Every aspect I can study endlessly. Eventually I find myself down some rabbit hole drawing a fat woman in a dark room at a weird angle as "practice" that I forget why I enjoy drawing in the first place, which is to emotionally express the ideas in my head onto paper for other people to see.

There are things I want to draw but the path to get there seems unfathomably long. I'm never satisfied with my work and I'm practicing things I'm disinterested in to reach a goal I'll never get to. Art blows.

[Anonymous No.3494215]

>>3488438
Well said, I will focus on doing call art simplified shit atm so i can convey the premises i have in mind then later perhaps i'll draw something decent.

[礼Varappi 礼 !!H/oXTo/AOLM No.3494219]

Im 20 years old NEET
I cry at how i dont have a story thats anywhere near as popular as doki doki literature club or cyberpunk cafe
But my goal is not to draw fucking steam VN's. Its always been to become an American Mangaka. I want to make a story as gritty and cool and edgy like Elfen Lied and Higurashi two of my favorite anime growing up.

I do not know exactly why, but i just fucking hate lesbian artists and yuri. They represent the two things in life i work so hard to achieve, but cant: Fame through Art and a Girlfriend. They are the two most important things in my life. They have it all and i want it so bad, more than anything in existence.

You probably think im some Elliot Rodgers. But, unlike him, i am not going to take the easy way out by taking a gun to the things I hate and then offing myself. Because no matter fucking what, Im going to keep trying to be an American Mangaka my whole life. I want to one day be noticed by Japanese mangaka, especially my favorite authors. And it will not be a gun to the head that stops me, but me collapsing at my workplace, desperately trying to achieve my dreams of being American Mangaka. I want to one day say to all the dykes who made it
>fuck you dyke!!! You thought making it clear to the world that youre repulsed by my gender was going to stop me?
>i have actual japanese mangaka, acknowledging muh existence. I did it all; being a male! I DONT NEED YOUUUUUUUUU

Ive given up fapping. I dont need it. I workout. I study Manga. I study japanese. And im trying to draw manga. And i just fucking hate cal arts and anything western. And i want people to never associate me with this fucking non-asian country's style of artwork.

But, what makes my blood boil, is the fact i am still bad...
http://smugineer-comics.blogspot.com/2018/05/d-destroya-ch1.html
http://smugineer-comics.blogspot.com/2018/06/drip-drop.html
^ my current works.

Hopefully. Next year, I can finally be gud. And i can feel happy with life.
pls no bully.

[Anonymous No.3494225]

>>3489667
Now you know why school shooters exists, They like you found out the truth that all moms are used up bitter women who see you as another shit male that they hate, Why not laugh at the little shits shitty drawing.

Life is suffering, there is no real beauty in the world.

[Anonymous No.3494227]

>>3494225
I can tell you live in a 3rd world country by your edgy mediocre grammar

[Anonymous No.3494230]

>>3490145
Even if it's 1 minute a day, get some progress in.
Just get that minute in at least but don't ever miss it.

[Anonymous No.3494231]

>>3494219
>http://smugineer-comics.blogspot.com/2018/05/d-destroya-ch1.html
ayy lmao

You'll ngmi because you never go outside

[Anonymous No.3494237]

>>3494211
sigh, same bro.
One thing i remember that applies is working out, I hate doing the typical shit it's booring as fk.
However doing martial arts is interesting enough that i forget i'm moving around getting exercise.
Force yourself to find some fun in there or find something if not doing a shitty version of what you wanted to do from the start but something simple and fun to help the grind.

[Anonymous No.3494240]

>>3494219
>Elliot Rodgers. But, unlike him, i am not going to take the easy way out

He actually got shit don, you're complaining on /ic/

Bitch

[Anonymous No.3494251]

>>3494219
You need to take a step back and reevaluate your life. If being good at art and having a girlfriend is the only thing in the world that will make you happy, you're living wrong. Its common for 20 year olds to take their life way too seriously but it's deterimental.

Tell me, what's wrong with having a regular job and keeping art as a hobby? Nothing. Statistically, this is where a huge majority of artists are headed, and its perfectly fine. You're making money to support yourself and you're doing something you like on your free time. You impress friends and have a small niche fanbase online. It's a decent life. People for some reason treat it like it's the worst thing in the world.

Your problem is that you obsess over it too much and put it to such HIGH importance that you spend too much time worrying and not enough time doing. If you spent the last year practicing and actively trying to improve, imagine where you would be right now. When you take it so seriously you stop having fun with it, and when you stop having fun with it, motivation disappears and you don't improve. And when that happens, you get depressed because you aren't improving on something you regard SO HIGHLY.

The fix - stop giving art such a huge importance. Like really who gives a shit. Art's great but not something worth killing yourself over. If you fail, big fucking deal. Nobody cares. I certainly don't. There's more to life. Explore other hobbies. Most successful people have just been really lucky and have been at the right place at the right time. Success is a lucky blessing, not a necessary condition for your existence.

[Anonymous No.3494260]

>>3485178
struggling with the same problem anon

[Anonymous No.3494267]

>>3485178
set your frequency to anything other than daily. Sometimes drawing daily for the sake of it can burn you out. Take a break from time to time

[Anonymous No.3494280]

>>3487629
They're halflings

[Anonymous No.3494296]

>>3493885
well i knew it wasn't just lack of sleep because everything just seemed pointless. I was hungry, but the idea of having to chew was just to demanding energy wise so i just didn't eat...which didn't help.

[Anonymous No.3494388]

>>3494296
If you're not larping - which I assume you are, because 4chan - you need therapy. A lot of it. You're clinically depressed.

[Anonymous No.3494398]

>>3494219
1. Wtf do you use to draw anyway? A mouse and microsoft paint? Get a wacom and pirate Clip Studio Paint. Or kirita.
Or even just buy a A3 sized sketchbook and doodle with a pen. God knows you need more practice.
2. Unironically read Loomis
3. Get a job, faggot, talk to human beings.

[Anonymous No.3494418]

>>3494219
>wrote a wall of text as an excuse for being pathetic
do you have autism?

[Anonymous No.3494425]

>>3494219
Go get a job you sad garbage man.

[Anonymous No.3494683]

>>3494219
You pretty much already tainted your future as an artist. If you ever start your /ic/ journey, don't be surprised that someone will mention your shitty blogspot fetched from archive.is on kiwifarms or lolcow. Happened to many degenerate artists who want to start over and become industry friendly. Do not listen to the 'who cares' bullshittery here, this will only boost your ego to go down a rabbit hole.

[Anonymous No.3494772]

>>3494388
no i'm not larping. But don't worry since then i'm on antidepressant and being very well.

[Anonymous No.3494830]

>>3494219
are you a hapa, anon?

[Anonymous No.3494871]

>>3494219
You need to go outside. Seriously. Your stories will be able to resonate with people more if you go outside and experience life. Part of that is getting a job, and meeting new people. Right now your manga is edgy, but that is about it. There was more to Elfen Lied and Higurashi than just being edgy. Work on your story telling.

For your art, I strongly recommend a figure drawing class. You will seriously get good at the figure a lot faster than if you just grind loomis. So if speed is your goal, I would do that. It can be your first venture out. If you don't do that, then at least pick up an art book and start studying. You can even pick up a Japanese one if you want.

[Anonymous No.3494877]

>>3494871
Higurashi yeah but Elden lied was literally just about a retarded girl who could stop bulletsnin mid air and rebound them. It is the cancer that inspired Hollywood to keep making blatant clones based off it.

[Anonymous No.3495516]

How do I take critique? I don't mean this in the typical sense, it's just that when I get my friends to point out what's wrong they either say it's good or just say 'oh so and so looks a bit iffy'. What do I do with this information? I've heard critique is essential in improving as well as self-reflection to notice your flaws, but I just kind of sit there with the info and think 'uh okay I guess'. Like yeah the arm might be a bit too long but do I keep that in mind for later? Do I fix it right now? Am I just not getting the right critique? Critique is supposed to be very helpful but when I get it it's just 'what am I supposed to do with this?'. When I get around to REALLY focusing more on my art i'll for sure look into signing up for sites where better artists congregate and get some brutal unabashed critique, but I was wondering what i'm missing and if i'm just not correctly applying it.

[Anonymous No.3495535]

>>3495516
what the fuck am I reading if you agree with the critique given then change it if not move on

[Anonymous No.3495551]

>>3490104
>Vent thread
>We don't care

[Anonymous No.3495603]

>>3485145
I've been making leaps and bounds when it comes to my life outside of drawing. I've been going to the gym 4 times a week and doing HIIT on the weekend. My frustration comes from the amount of time I spend, I'm in school from 6-5, and then I'm at work 5-12. On days I don't have school, I'm at work from 10-10, and I have one day off where I can just do whatever I want. I have literally no time for drawing anymore. I could pump out an hour or two before bed, or before work, but I'm tired. My mind is so tired. I basically just write bits and pieces here and there. I'm not really drawing. Upside is I've only got 6 more months of school left.

[Anonymous No.3495613]

>have casually drawn since around 5th grade
>art has noticeably improved over the years but is still dA-tier
>had friends for years online and off who were always infinitely better at drawing than me despite us being around the same age
>21 now
>suck at drawing from life (because I rarely go out)
>still can't even hold a pencil properly
>can barely motivate myself to attempt to practice anything because everything I do looks like garbage
How fucked am I?

[Anonymous No.3495616]

>>3495613
not really. It'll be like riding a bike for you. Might be a little wobbly at first,, but you'll get the hang of it. Just hink" there are people who begin at the age you are now.

[Anonymous No.3495673]

>>3485466

It's like cringe compilation-posting, it's just meant to be bait. Don't fall for it

[Anonymous No.3495813]

>>3485145
I've come to realize that a lot of my procrastination is assocated with the intense neck and back pain I get from drawing. I really have no idea what to do about it. I've got a good ergonomic chair and a proper desk. I lift weights and do cardio, which does wonders for my overall health and posture, but it doesn't fix the neck pain associated with drawing.

I really can't fathom how all those pudgy japs who work 16 hours a day are able to do what they do, without suffering from chronic pain.

[Anonymous No.3495899]

i was never an artist, i was more of a typical kid.

[Anonymous No.3496455]

The only thing that makes me happy in life (art) is also the source of my misery and frustrations

I just want to make cute anime boys jesus fucking christ

[Anonymous No.3496983]

>>3496455
>The only thing that makes me happy in life (art) is also the source of my misery and frustrations
Same here.

>I just want to make cute anime boys
Oh wait, you deserve to be miserable.

[Anonymous No.3497507]

>>3485433
>brushlets who don't use corel painter + photoshop ULTIMATE COMBO

[Anonymous No.3497518]

art school has suprisingly been a god send for my skill. I feel like I'm actually doing way way better than I ever did on my own.

HOWEVER, I am surrounded by children at all times, fucking weeaboo trash fresh out of highschool who can barely even be bothered to show up half the time. I FUCKING HATE THEM. I know I should focus on myself, but I hate these fucking kids so much. They just dont take this seriously and this is my entire life now. I live breathe and die by the art, but these kids treat it as a hobby.

and it wouldnt be a big deal, except because they make up most of the student body at the school the teachers are holding back super hard to avoid angry spoiled parents of angry spoiled kids. I can tell, theyve told me. They treat me differently because they know I can make it and I'm serious about it, but they cant take the time to REALLY thouroughly give me master teachings and quality instruction because theyre too busy wiping the asses of babies and dealing with college politics. I'm surrounded by jokers and their blanket of bullshit keeps me from getting a master class in my craft, which I am dying for.

I take 1.5 times the classes they do, I get better grades than they do. I get better feedback and praise from the teachers than they do. I get more through and thoughtful criticism than they do. But even despite all that, I am not getting what I need because my instructors are bound by these fucking children and their hobby. I know half of them wont even make it to graduation, let alone beat me in the job market. BUT I COULD BE DOING SO MUCH MORE!!!

and its hard to make friends when youre surrounded on all sides by weeaboo trash

[Anonymous No.3497526]

I'm trapped in a cycle of trying to draw what I want and then getting frustrated when I can't produce anything I'm happy with. I've tried doing master studies but its so difficult for me and I always make it to a certain point and get "stuck" and have no idea what to do next. I feel so fucking stupid because it seems like I'm the only person with this issue of not knowing what to do next during a study.

I've been trying to learn how to render something effectively for almost 2 years and I still can't grasp the most basic of concepts and it's so fucking discouraging.

[Anonymous No.3497528]

>>3497518
What school do you go to?

[Anonymous No.3497537]

>>3497518
You can't get extra tutoring? And on the friends front, I find that if you are putting in the work, you'll find other hard working students in the figure drawing open studios, in the contests, in the clubs, basically anywhere that requires you to go even a little bit above just attending class.

[Anonymous No.3497547]

I honestly can't tell if I'm depressed or just lazy. My sleep schedule is all fucked up, I'm always tired and have no motivation to do even the stuff I enjoy. It's like my mind is screaming to do what I'm supposed to, but then I just can't.
I've been recommended to see a therapist I guess to look into this but I can't manage to find the energy and motivation to go.
One action a day is all it takes for me to burn out, I have to choose between studying or taking a shower. I don't know what to do, when I say I can't do something people don't really get me. So I force myself to do the things anyway, but I'm so fucking burned out it takes me a lot more time. A single shower takes me 3 hours. I don't know how I'm supposed to fit drawing into this, I need some advice.

[Anonymous No.3497554]

>>3497547
Sounds like depression to me. I'm currently struggling with the same thing. I just went to the doctor though, and it turns out my vitamin D is low and I have an underactive thyroid. To strong contenders for depression. You could have something else going on, but you will be stuck in this cycle until you break the loop and go to a doctor or therapist. It sucks anon.

[Anonymous No.3497572]

>>3497554
I never considered something physical but I guess it might be, I'll have to look into it. Going to sleep every day at 6-8am is so tiresome but I never feel ready for the next day. I guess I haven't done a physical health check in a while either, I depend on my family for this kind of stuff and they don't care much. I think last time I did something like that was 5 years ago, idk. I want this to go away because deep down I feel guilty about how much I'm underachieving at everything, and this feeling isn't nice on top of others I have, but when I try to tackle it all it seems so massive, you know? But I need to do this, I know anon. I'll have to try, I mean, it's the only way.

[Anonymous No.3497574]

>>3497547
I'm the same way, and I can definitely pinpoint it to my current living situation. The worst part is that it's enough to keep me financially afloat so I don't starve, but at the same time I just don't have the energy to even get a part time job to save up and move out. Kind of a vicious cycle and I'm just waiting to get kicked out so I can starve on the streets.

[Anonymous No.3497592]

>>3497547
>One action a day is all it takes for me to burn out, I have to choose between studying or taking a shower.

Never thought I would ever find someone who also dealt with this.

Pretty much all it takes is one action, even if it involves just doing the dishes or making the bed. After that, there is literally no energy to do anything. Simply turning around in my chair, open my bag, and pull out my sketchbook feels like a chore some days, to the point where ill put it off and actually takes days to do it.

Also don't know if it's just laziness or depression. Did come from a really shitty living situation though, but I also don't know if that's just a bad excuse.

[Anonymous No.3497803]

>>3497592
Yeah. I also didn't think there were others struggling with this. I mean I figured there might've been but I never read of similar experiences wherever I looked.
Every action feels extremely heavy, even if I manage to pull out the sketchbook I still have to draw in it, that requires a lot of other microactions like getting references and asks me to use the brain for the entirety of the task.
Sometimes I'm so burned out I'll put off the most basic everyday actions like eating or going to the bathroom, but I have no problem with appetite.

I hope you guys are able to find a solution for this, it's a really terrible feeling.

>>3497574
It is a vicious cycle, yeah. Really hard to break, but please don't let yourself be thrown out in the streets, I'm sure there is a better way. Take care of yourself anon.

>>3497592
>Did come from a really shitty living situation though, but I also don't know if that's just a bad excuse.
I tell myself that all the time. Like maybe I'm exaggerating and it wasn't that bad, maybe I'm just being dramatic, it's not always terrible I don't want to run away from home most of the time or anything, wasn't beat up, so maybe it's just an excuse.
But anon, you can't find this answer on your own, you need to stop dwelling on this, it's just mind torture.
Wether that played a part in what you're feeling now you'll find out eventually, but that little mental energy you have try to preserve it for other less depressing thoughts.

[Anonymous No.3497903]

>>3496983
>Oh wait, you deserve to be miserable.
what if I'm a cute girl who just likes cute boys you faggot

[Anonymous No.3497937]

>>3485145
everybody here is so fucking cranky, i can only assume depression from too much dick jiggling. just because this place on 4chan you dont have to fite someone because they prefer 8B over 6B.

[Anonymous No.3497942]

>>3497937
The way I see it, some people use 4chan as a therapeutic outlet for releasing their rage and frustration. I love to blast people here as much as the next guy, but I'm actually very nice & kind in person.

[Anonymous No.3497946]

>>3495813
Do you use an easel?

[Anonymous No.3498611]

Self consciousness is quite literally a prison for artists

In other jobs you can perform well while being as self conscious as you like, but when it comes to performance, which visual arts is a subset of, it is a whole new level of destructive

The moment I stop being self conscious is when I start dipping my toes in my own true tastes and curiosities.
Not coincidentally, it is also when I stop drawing from tertiary pressures.

[Anonymous No.3498619]

>>3498611
when it comes to performance art*

[Anonymous No.3498671]

pretty much the usual, i just don't feel like i'm improving much. and i still take hours and hours to complete one piece
some artists i follow draw something in 5 mins and they instantly get thousands of notes, i spend hours drawing something and i get maybe 10 on the best of circumstances
i'm not saying i deserve more attention or recognition, but it does really make me sad that no matter what i do it's never enough

drawing is the only thing i like but the possibility of it being anything more than just a hobby is pretty much set in stone

btw this drawing is what i feel like atm haha

[Anonymous No.3498677]

>>3485401

>all you gotta do is learn the stuff better so you can do it better

gee thanks nigger

[Anonymous No.3498705]

>>3485592
This post deserves most replies
It cant only be you and me in this situation right?

[Anonymous No.3498711]

>>3498705
No one likes to hear excuses. The real solution is while telling our excuses we need to make a little fun of ourselves to avoid being an emotional burden on everyone.

[Anonymous No.3498863]

I'm so lonely. Someone please make an artfriend thread ):

[Anonymous No.3498887]

>>3485327
It's not a competition anon, go easy on yourself and work at a pace that you're comfy with. Afterall, drawing should be fun!

[Anonymous No.3498892]

>>3485433
Just use smudge for everything and you'll be a brilliant DeviantArt artist

[Anonymous No.3498893]

I just can't seem to keep up an acceptable rate of consistency. I drew a head from angle A then tried to draw the same head from angle B the next day and it looks radically different. How do I stay on-model?

[Anonymous No.3498899]

You ever get so jealous of other artists' skill/popularity that you start feeling suicidal?
Today has not been a fun day for me.

[Anonymous No.3498911]

I really enjoy working on digital art and photo manipulation but I feel like it's kind of a waste of time because I know it'll never catch on or be taken as seriously as stuff done by hand. Kind of feel like a retard.

[Anonymous No.3498938]

Besides just being fucking garbage in general, I also cannot fucking draw hands and it makes me so fucking mad, I give up on alot of my drawings just because I cant draw a god damn decent arm or hand

[Anonymous No.3498968]

>>3485145
I hate the fact that i couldn't study arts, hate the fact that im too ubdisciplined to learn on my own and that im so far of my dream of creating videogames and not knowing where to start

[Anonymous No.3498982]

>>3498968
Hi anon. I am also working towards creating a video game and I find that video games are a great team effort. When you're making a video game, no one on your team has to be particularly good at anything except for compromising. Even if you're going it alone, you'll find great success if you learn to compromise between what's in your head and what you can make. Just make sure not to compromise too much. Follow this advice and you'll find yourself making a lot more games.

[Anonymous No.3498993]

I made a sketch on real paper and ctrl+z didn’t do shit

[Anonymous No.3499020]

>>3498993
Sheeeit I was thinking that yesterday, after a bad stroke 'ctrl z' flashed in my mind, tradchad life is hard

[Anonymous No.3499094]

>>3488417
I realise this sounds pretty retardedly obvious but maybe consider why you like the drawings you think are good? What makes them better than the ones you don't like and why? What did you do in the process that made it bad?

[Anonymous No.3499371]

>>3498993
>#relatable

[Anonymous No.3500527]

I think the guys at /las/ are all condescending fucks with sticks up their asses.

[Anonymous No.3500532]

>>3500527
I lurked /dad/, looks like a big circlejerk

[Anonymous No.3500592]

>>3500532
>>3500527
Lurk more

[Anonymous No.3500600]

I've been having a lot of trouble getting erections as of recent. Yet I fap only about once a week at the most.

[Anonymous No.3500605]

>>3486555
What the fuck is the point of critique if you refuse to make the effort to improve. You clearly don't want critique, you want people to suck you off.

[Anonymous No.3500685]

>>3500532
>>3500527
If you check out the discord yeah they are kind of unhinged. I was in there for a couple months. I got to know a couple of them. A couple of you lassies are alright - but a very surprising LOT of you have way too many issues that you need to work out and a discord is not the answer. Nobody needs your negativity.

[Anonymous No.3500743]

Got depression. Since my brain can't process information fast anymore I learn slower than I used to. Feelsbad

[Anonymous No.3500748]

>>3498899
I always view artists who are so much better/popular than me as different beings who live in different reality so I feel kinda OK not being able to be like them because I set the bar as impossible to begin with. It's a very neat humbling coping mechanism.

[Anonymous No.3500752]

>>3500685
was it that negative? I don't really visit the server that much but the last time I checked, they were just memeing a lot

[Anonymous No.3500753]

>>3488429

yeah its called depression and procrastination. if you dont truly want to do it, you won't do it. you dont need canvas, its a meme get masonite board, gesso literally any surfaces you have and it'll do the trick

[Anonymous No.3501561]

>>3500527
>>3500685
Most of /ic/ likes to think they're better or above the common shitposter here, then when they run away to other communities they can't stop themselves from shitting the bed and ruin everything
Because that's just the nature of anyone who sets foot here in the first place

[Anonymous No.3501570]

I've been doing gestures for like 5 days and I am already bored by it.

[Anonymous No.3501609]

>>3485178
How the fuck can you even have a clear art goal? Yes I can think about all those skill levels I want to attain but those goals are not tangible.

[Anonymous No.3501829]

>>3485145
how do I learn to animate?

[Anonymous No.3501863]

>>3486555
you still have a long way to go, but don't give up hope. Everyone is still learning here. I did my take on it. What bothered me the most about your piece is the lack of ears. Also, did you use real flowers?

[Anonymous No.3502823]

It's been 2 weeks since I seriously began learning perspective
and I hate it so fucking much
it makes my figures look wonky and fucked no matter how hard I fucking try.

[Anonymous No.3502825]

>>3502823
I fucking love perspective. It's one of the few things in art you can learn completely methodically instead of grinding shit till some day it just clicks.

[Anonymous No.3502827]

>>3502823
that's what gesture is for

[Anonymous No.3502832]

How do you guys deal with hitting a stagnation wall because you have to do something else for the moment? (like having work/studies to finish, etc)
I tried surrounding myself with drawfriends to keep the creative mood up, but end up just getting way more depressed when everyone else keeps improving and i don't (maybe even getting worse due to the lack of time to practice)

[Anonymous No.3502839]

>>3502832
Just realize it's not a race

[Anonymous No.3503008]

>>3485338
learning to draw is like learning a new language

if all you are going to do is make sounds all day which to you sound like that language, you will get good at that, making sounds which kind of sound like that. you might fool somebody who doesn't know to draw/ that language, but to you or somebody who knows it not

the way you learn a language is by listening (to some sounds in that language), understanding the message (by context, dictionary, being told afterwards or whatever), then repeating a few times (said sounds). repeat that for a long time in a lot of scenarios and you will be able after a few years of some basic communication in said language

for drawing is the same, look at some drawings/ pics/ real life, understand what you are seeing (analyze proportions, shapes, light and shadows, movement, how stuff works), then redraw that (without looking at the ref, you don't speak over others, do you? is not nice) then look again at the ref, see what you've done wrong, and repeat the process a few more times, then choose a different ref. for years and years until the day you can talk fluently in that langua... I mean the day you satisfied with your drawings

[Anonymous No.3503319]

I’ve drawing extremely degenerate furry porn and gathering a small audience. However, I’ve only gotten one commission so far and things have been slowing down even when I post new work. It’s only been a week and a half but goddamnit I just REALLY want money NOW.

[Anonymous No.3503328]

The person I want to like my art, and the only person who sees it, doesn't seem to care about it and its so demotivating.

[Anonymous No.3503344]

>>3503328
It isn't that bad anon, at least they don't think you're an intolerable asshat like in my case.
You still got a chance.

[Anonymous No.3503481]

>>3503328
your senpai will notice you someday, anon. Just keep working hard!

[Anonymous No.3503526]

>going to hit 30 this year
>wasted my time fapping and getting frustrated
>finally realizing that in order to draw a human figure you have to make up your own formula

ngmi lads

[Anonymous No.3503550]

>work with pencil & paper for the first time in a while
>finally improve my awful pencil grip, get better comfort and line quality
>go back and do the same thing on my intuos
>feels like shit, can't put lines where I want them anymore
>revert to old habits to get things done

[Anonymous No.3503734]

>>3503550
Just keep hammering away, you get used to it. The transition is difficult, but you *will* figure it out.

[Anonymous No.3503741]

>>3503526
>finally realizing that in order to draw a human figure you have to make up your own formula

[Anonymous No.3503742]

every time i start anything i get incredibly drowsy
if i make myself do it then my mind is preoccupied with not falling asleep and doing something mindlessly doesn't give me any sense of improvement

[Anonymous No.3504414]

>>3503734
to clarify, I've put thousands of hours into digital art over the past few years. I honestly don't think it gets better than tolerable, and the bad habits I picked up by teaching myself how to draw as a kid only make it worse

[Anonymous No.3504436]

>>3496455
I feel you friend, all I want to be good at is drawing cute anime girls yet my drawings still look like an retarded 6 year old drew them

Fuck my life

[Anonymous No.3504448]

>>3487007
Just realised his name is "just me gabe newell" not "just mega benewell"

[Anonymous No.3504534]

i can draw better than all of my friends but they get several times more attention and admiration on social media than me. my stuff only gets popular when one of those friends talks about it, and even it just gets them more attention, sometimes people even think it was them who made it and not me.
normally i wouldn't care so much about attentionwhoring and the like but i'd like to get to a point where i can connect with people that can get me jobs, so i want to understand this better.

[Anonymous No.3506475]

All I see is wicked good art and all I can draw is hot GARBAGE. Of course drawing is a skill that can be learned, but isn't it true some people are more naturally inclined than others? I have all these wicked ideas in my head, but as soon as the pen hits the paper it looks like g a r b a g e
/VENT

[Anonymous No.3506496]

>>3506475
Because you're not grinding hard enough

[Anonymous No.3506535]

>>3506496
does this look like a beginner thread?

[Anonymous No.3506541]

>>3506475
Talent is real but not as important as you think, some people can learn faster than normal person.
But so what? You will still get there if you try. Sure it may took you longer but the destination is the same.

[Anonymous No.3506723]

>>3485145

I invested all my life into doing art for a living. I went to college to major in art and I’m almost done with my degree, but I can’t help shake the feeling I won’t be able to get draw for anyone important or be successful in the field. Every other career choice seems like garbage, this is the only thing I see myself doing. But there it is, the nagging feeling of despair, like there is no future at all. I barely exist on social media and I hate the idea of selfies/Snapchat. Everyone is traveling or getting work done as business men, medical professionals, carpenters, so on and so forth. I feel lost.

[Anonymous No.3506820]

My gestures are all scratchy and I have a headache.

[Anonymous No.3506821]

>>3506723
This is a terrifying fate.

[Anonymous No.3506843]

>>3506723
I feel pretty much the same despite being in a whole different career path.
Shit's paralyzing brehs.

[Anonymous No.3506874]

>>3506723
I got out of school and was able to work at a small studio doing graphic design, and Ill honestly say that I'm not great at art and have no social media presence. So I wouldn't worry.

Now, are they well paying jobs that'll make you famous with loads of cash....not exactly. But they will pay for your food and rent for the month.

[Anonymous No.3506907]

How the fuck do I stop my parents and family shitting up my art page? I'm trying to create some sort of community following but every post I make just gets flooded with bullshit by the same "supportive" family members. I get that they have good intentions but fuck do they make my page look lame... do I ban them all, or tell them to tone it down, or what? Fuck I hate social media.

[Anonymous No.3506964]

I love constructing scenes and figures out of shapes, but then when its time to add the anatomy and details and shading I screw it up

[Anonymous No.3507187]

I hate how cliquey the animation industry in the west seems to be, and I've heard you can't even live on what they pay you in Japan.

[Anonymous No.3507451]

My GF of 5 years gets angry at me when I draw anything female and constantly fucking nags me with "WHY DON'T YOU DRAW ME" litteraly anytime I'm fucking drawing anything that isn't her.