/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3484643]

what is it about western animu that makes it feel so cheap?

[Anonymous No.3484646]

>>3484643
That looks better than normal animu tho

[Anonymous No.3484647]

>>3484646
this

[Anonymous No.3484651]

>makes it feel so cheap
like RWBY right? Dumb weeb nigger.

[Anonymous No.3484653]

>>3484646
may god have mercy on you
>>3484651
time for your meds

[Anonymous No.3484661]

>>3484643
Anime is mostly flat 2D, and westerners try to slap anime features on 3D stuff, it ends up looking a little "different". Not wrong, and if we were going for realism, it'd be better: however,the tropes are not going for realism and you just get the uncanny valley.

It's not that the westernized takes are bad in themselves, but they're coming from a very different mentality and as a result a lot is lost in translation.

[Anonymous No.3484663]

>>3484653
I don't need meds. I just called you out for being weeb. You probably don't even understand irony of your OP post.

[Anonymous No.3484671]

when will you retards understand that anime is just a stylization just like knkl's anime/cartoon influenced stylized art. calling everything with big eyes anime is utterly autistic

[Anonymous No.3484672]

>>3484671
He himself called it anime in this video, so this is on him this time,

>anime is just a stylization
agreed, hence >>3484661

[Anonymous No.3484673]

>>3484661
>Anime is mostly flat 2D, and westerners try to slap anime features on 3D stuff, it ends up looking a little "different".
niwaka pls

[Anonymous No.3484674]

>>3484672
There is no such thing as anime style. It's called manga style.

[Anonymous No.3484677]

>>3484673
>mfw pigeon666, rei17, cushart, HTK

[Anonymous No.3484678]

2D memes

[Anonymous No.3484687]

>>3484643
Looks nicer than anime imo

[Anonymous No.3484693]

>>3484653
What's the point of being so closed-minded and thinking everyone needs to follow your weeb ass anime template? Generic moe anime style is boring as hell and art that deviates from that while retaining a Japanese influence is far more interesting and memorable. This goes for Japanese artists too.

You're not Japanese, so why pretend you are?

[Anonymous No.3484695]

>>3484653

[Anonymous No.3484698]

>>3484695
why are there 42 pictures of sailor moon

[Anonymous No.3484700]

>>3484695
???

[Anonymous No.3484732]

>>3484695
And yet you can still feel that this is anime but when some western artist does it you can tell it's not.

[Anonymous No.3484736]

>>3484646
>>3484647
lol waito piggu with shit taste

>>3484643
Your pic has elements of western cartoon style, which is very easy emulate. A child could draw Mickey Mouse easily, for example. As a result, it looks cheap. Authentic anime/manga style on the other hand is difficult to learn and emulate, which is why the anime fans on here keep making "how do I draw anime" threads.

[Anonymous No.3484743]

>>3484736
bad bait, but some retards actually don't realize that "authentic anime" looks like shit

[Anonymous No.3484746]

>>3484736
are you autistic? could a child draw Rapunzel/elsa? comparing western cartoon to only mickey mouse is obtuse af when op is closer to Disney princess/Pixar shit.

anime fans keep making those threads because they don't understand anime is more than just symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.3484751]

>>3484674
>There is no such thing as original anime

[Anonymous No.3484755]

>>3484743
>some retards don't have the same taste as me
lol okay retard

>>3484746
>could a child draw Rapunzel/elsa?
If you want to move goalposts like that, then I could do the same, but I won't play this game. Because I think we both know what is being talked about here. Instead, I refer you to Steven Universe, Adventure Time, and anything on Cartoon Network. Anyone could learn to draw that within a day.

[Anonymous No.3484756]

>>3484743
Post an example of a cartoon caricature that you think doesn't "look like shit."

[Anonymous No.3484757]

>>3484643
They try to make it 3D and with forms, unaware that the japanese use 2D shapes for the faces.
They also fuck up the proportions.

[Anonymous No.3484761]

>>3484755
the point wasn't that western cartoon isn't only Pixar complex but a range, so is fucking anime. a child could draw hello kitty or aggretsuko. a child could draw pop team epic. literally what is your point

[Anonymous No.3484763]

>it's another "muh style is better than your style" thread

both western and eastern have their pros and cons, just enjoy both for what they are

[Anonymous No.3484764]

>>3484757
How do I draw with 2d shapes

[Anonymous No.3484765]

>>3484757
pigeon666, rei17, cushart, shilin, htk

even actual anime without over-rendered art has form implied by the shapes of eyes, noses, mouths. some anime has flat billboards for eyes instead of true sockets but it still has form and perspective that works in its established universe. dumb ass reasoning, anon.

[Anonymous No.3484766]

>>3484755
>lol okay retard
Says the person shitting on people for liking the OP image

[Anonymous No.3484767]

>>3484761
My point, brainlet, is that you are an idiot. There is no "range" of cartoons lmao
>yo how's my drawing
>uhhh slide it more to the "elsa" side, just a few degrees
Hahahahaha.

>>3484766
lol keep going, retard.

[Anonymous No.3484770]

>>3484765
>pigeon666, rei17, cushart, shilin, htk

None of these people draw convincing anime.

[Anonymous No.3484771]

>>3484765
>fan art
>"""actual anime"""
did you even know that Anime refers to animation? Pee pee poo poo reasoning, anon. The term you are looking for is "manga-style." MANGA STYLE. Write it down, unless you think you're talking to animators LMAO

[Anonymous No.3484774]

>>3484767
theres a range from realism to stylized (like any art style) and the more stylized something is the more simplistic it can be. Either youre trolling or 12 years old

[Anonymous No.3484775]

>>3484767
autism

[Anonymous No.3484776]

>>3484774
define "realism" and then define "stylized." After that, leave this thread in shame because you realize just how dumb you sound.

>>3484775
Not an argument. Looks like I won.

[Anonymous No.3484778]

>>3484764
First draw a 3D head using the Loomis method.
Then draw loose guide lines for the eyes, nose and mouth.
Then add 2D shapes for the face.

You copy the shapes from your favorite manga artist.
That's how's been done since Osamu Tezuka.

[Anonymous No.3484779]

>>3484776
realism = directly 1:1 from life
stylized = not 1:1 from life.

stylization is a spectrum

unironically kill yourself kid.

[Anonymous No.3484781]

>>3484776
>Not an argument. Looks like I won.
Won what? All you said was "lol keep going, retard."

You're a joke and the epitome of hypocrisy. Can't wait for your le ebin 4chan coolguy comeback.

[Anonymous No.3484783]

>>3484779
So what you're saying is, realism is reality as YOU see it, and everything else is stylized? What a joke. You don't even know if the way you see "blue" looks the same to someone else.

>>3484781
I guess everyone who makes fun of you is "le ebin 4chan coolguy." Must be convenient, especially on a board where you post art work.

[Anonymous No.3484784]

>>3484783
Please stop trying to troll, you're terrible at it.

[Anonymous No.3484785]

>>3484784
>Everyone who disagrees with me is just trolling
lmao

[Anonymous No.3484788]

>>3484778
But what about the rest of the body

[Anonymous No.3484789]

>>3484783
youre not even trying anymore

[Anonymous No.3484790]

>>3484789
*yawn*
When you run out of arguments and get btfo in every single post, just accuse everyone of trolling.

[Anonymous No.3484791]

>>3484790
Senpai, we're giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you're not actually this retarded.

[Anonymous No.3484793]

>>3484790
>implying your reality is the same as mine

[Anonymous No.3484795]

>>3484778
Cute pic.
Was this done with acrylics and a cell sheet?

[Anonymous No.3484796]

>>3484791
>>3484793
Weak troll efforts desu. Guess I shouldn't expect serious discussion here, where you can just be retarded and hide your identity

[Anonymous No.3484798]

>>3484796
when you say "realism isn't a thing cus my blue is ur purple" the serious discussion is over, its a non sequitur that shows someone is trolling

[Anonymous No.3484805]

soulless western style anime

[Anonymous No.3484809]

>>3484795
Not him but Its from Zeta Gundam so probably cell shading since its more that era of mechas.

[Anonymous No.3484811]

>>3484798
>Subjectivity does not exist in art
NGMI

[Anonymous No.3484814]

>>3484770
anime figures are not 3D animes because REAL animes are 2D

[Anonymous No.3484817]

>>3484814
But the figures don't look anything like the works from the names you posted.

[Anonymous No.3484819]

>>3484811
non sequitur

[Anonymous No.3484820]

>>3484814
>animes

[Anonymous No.3484822]

>>3484819
You can't just dismiss everyone who disagrees with you by posting "non sequitur" over and over lmao

I am smarter than you.

[Anonymous No.3484824]

>>3484809
cell painting used acrylics, right?
does anybody know what brushes were used for anime cell painting back then?

[Anonymous No.3484825]

anime ja nai

[Anonymous No.3484826]

>>3484822
>I am smarter than you.

mega cringe. smarter than me but you don't understand there are rules which are ubiquitous in reality which translate to realism in art. literally nothing to do with subjectivity and "my blue is your purple"

[Anonymous No.3484828]

>>3484826
>mega cringe
oooooooo that was a pretty cringe thing to say. bad post

[Anonymous No.3484829]

>>3484828
>ignores the rest of the post because your argument got nuked
bad post

[Anonymous No.3484832]

>>3484829
Um that's because you don't have an argument lmao.

>Draw something
>Get criticized
>"B-b-b-b-b-ut that's how it really looks!"
lmao

[Anonymous No.3484833]

>>3484825
hontou no koto sa

[Anonymous No.3484835]

might be the thicker inking/lines, rounder and simpler shapes, and just in general diffrent style choices in relationship to what i mentioned and especially in expressions and facial features. im pretty picky when it comes to this but i can understand why its appealing to younger people since its what theyve grown up with now, cartoons being more and more simplified. but theres also some japanese art going this route for example kill la kill. excluding the boring plot it has great animation but i cant stand the style

[Anonymous No.3484837]

>>3484832
literally what are you talking about
if youre attempting realism and you dont draw it how it is then youve failed.
what the hell is this hypothetical situation where i get criticized for something and i try to argue "thats how it really looks!" especially when im not the one arguing about perception influencing realism lmfao

[Anonymous No.3484838]

>>3484817

[Anonymous No.3484843]

The real question would be how Japan keeps making so many perfect waifus.

[Anonymous No.3484865]

>>3484809
>Zeta Gundam
I don't remember this character at all

[Anonymous No.3484883]

>>3484865
She's from Gundam ZZ the one after Zeta

[Anonymous No.3484895]

It’s just differences in lineart/understanding of form. Neither is inherently better than the other but ‘western anime’ is essentially the stylistic anatomy aspects without any of the background/exact technique that eastern anime artists grew up with.

[Anonymous No.3484899]

>>3484883
Makes sense, I've only watched Zeta not ZZ.

[Anonymous No.3484904]

>>3484895
it's not that these artists are not competent, this guy knows his art, but there's still a je ne sais quoi that makes his art look cheap.

[Anonymous No.3484909]

>>3484764
Study japanese printing and painting techniques for starters.

[Anonymous No.3484931]

Why does KNKL recommend not starting with the head first?

[Anonymous No.3484934]

>>3484931
iirc it was something about how it might be easier drawing the head in proportion to the body than the other way around.

[Anonymous No.3484941]

>>3484931
probably cus if you draw the head first you end up trying to fit everything else into your frame which will fuck your proportions up

[Anonymous No.3484964]

>>3484643

One of the main reasons is that the Japs do extremely high line quality which is also extremely thin, I don't know how the hell they do it but they are so thin and usually bend with the coloring.

Western tough, looks more defined and solid, in your image their heads do feel like spheres and there is much less ambiguity.

[Anonymous No.3484970]

>>3484757
>>3484843

Retro Anime still seems that it was made by a human unlike this >>3484838 demon drawing.

[Anonymous No.3484974]

>>3484770
>None of these people draw convincing anime

[Anonymous No.3484981]

>>3484974
It's true.

[Anonymous No.3484992]

>>3484981
>It's true

Wrong

[Anonymous No.3485010]

>>3484970
really makes you think

[Anonymous No.3485017]

tried something real quick

[Anonymous No.3485018]

>>3484643
This guys old stuff looked more like anime.

[Anonymous No.3485020]

post rare japanese animes

[Anonymous No.3485021]

>>3484643
Keinan isn't particularly great at drawing anime. He's plagued by the "big nose syndrome" most westerners are.

[Anonymous No.3485023]

>>3484743
>>3484736
I've had people ask me if I'm Asian because of my art style. I don't find anime particularly hard to draw, either. And no, I'm not Asian. I just think you guys have your heads wayyyyy too far up your asses when it comes to your weebness and your "GLORIOUS NIPPON YAMATO DAISHI SUPERIOR ART STYLE FOLDED 10,000 TIMES" elitism bullshit.

[Anonymous No.3485025]

>>3485023
POST
YOUR
WORK

[Anonymous No.3485026]

>>3484833
>>3484825
Nothing worse than a weaboo typing in Japanese but using romaji instead of the actual writing system. Like, that's some reddit-tier cringe right there.


気持ち悪い。

[Anonymous No.3485027]

>>3485017
Nose still needs fixing. Too prominent.

[Anonymous No.3485028]

>>3485025
いいえ、夢を見続ける。wwwwwww

[Anonymous No.3485029]

>>3484643
>what is it about western animu that makes it feel so cheap?
Weebs understand "anime" as a blanket term for the eastern approach to cartoon illustration. Normies understand it as "japanese animation".
Modern japanese animation, i.e. the stuff that's popular and streamable, is exceptionally cheap and designed for mass production. Of course art emulating it turns out cheap.
Then you get retards like >>3484661 who think that think all those cut corners are a staple of the style and not a result of budget constraints.

But OP image is unfair. Kienan is drawing live, trying to keep the attention span of deviantart-tier retards in order to present information at a level they can understand. That's a pretty valid excuse for consequently making cheap art.

[Anonymous No.3485032]

>>3485029
>But OP image is unfair. Kienan is drawing live, trying to keep the attention span of deviantart-tier retards in order to present information at a level they can understand. That's a pretty valid excuse for consequently making cheap art.
He's also a fairly mediocre artist to boot.

[Anonymous No.3485036]

>>3484838
>>3484814

[Anonymous No.3485042]

Ha ha, because all japanese artists have one homogenous moeblob style amirite?

Eat a mile of dick, OP. You're a gigantic faggot, I know you can do it.

[Anonymous No.3485043]

>>3485042
OP never said that.

[Anonymous No.3485045]

>>3485042
it's gonna be ok, anon
breathe deeply

[Anonymous No.3485046]

>>3485042
source please?

[Anonymous No.3485047]

>>3485026
Nothing worse than a EOP weaboo typing in Japanese and pretending to know Japanese. Like, that's some reddit-tier cringe right there.

[Anonymous No.3485049]

>>3485046
dead leaves

[Anonymous No.3485056]

>>3485049
thank you!

[Anonymous No.3485057]

>>3484678
where's this from?

[Anonymous No.3485064]

>>3485028
>夢を見続ける
oh no no no no no ahahahahaha
>>3485047
fucking this

[Anonymous No.3485067]

>>3485046
You've never heard of Dead Leaves?

>>3485047
>EOP
>he thinks English is my first language
I'm typing in Japanese, cause I'm learning Japanese. And I don't go around forums typing in weeaboo speak like some sort of pleb. Either learn the language proper, or don't pretend to use it. Also, I've been bilingual since the age of 5. English is technically my second language, Japanese would be my 3rd once I get it to conversational level.

How many languages do you know anon?

[Anonymous No.3485068]

>>3485067
Don't kid yourself beaner.

[Anonymous No.3485069]

>>3485068
Come mierda gilipollas, yo no onions negrete.

[Anonymous No.3485072]

>>3485069
Thank you mods.... for filtering the Spanish verb "to be". Real good on your part.

[Anonymous No.3485078]

>>3485067

[Anonymous No.3485080]

>>3485067
lol ochitsuite

[Anonymous No.3485082]

>>3485067
KIMOI GHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.3485083]

>>3485082
*snap*
ok.... korya epic.

[Anonymous No.3485084]

>>3485080
止めてください。

[Anonymous No.3485087]

>>3485084
イタいのはお前なんだ

[Anonymous No.3485088]

>>3485067
anata wa watakushi no koto ni tsuite chōdo fakku shite imashita ka, anata wa chīsana mesuinu desu ka? watakushi wa neibī shīru de watakushi no kurasu no ichiban ue o sotsugyō shita koto o shitte imasu. watakushi wa Aruku eda no himitsu no shūgeki ni kazuōku kan'yo shite imasu. watakushi wa gorira-sen de kunren sarete ori, watakushi wa zenbei gun no ichi ban no sogeki hei desu. anata wa watakushi no mono de wa naku, mō hito-tsu no mokuhyō desu. watakushi wa kono chikyū-jō de kore made ni mita koto no nai yō na seimitsu-sa de anata o fukitotte kurerudeshō. anata wa, intānetto de watakushi ni sono koto o itte moraeru to omoimasu ka? mō ichi do kangaete kudasai. watakushi ga hanashite iru yō ni, watakushi wa Beikoku no supai no himitsu nettowāku ni renraku shite imasu. anata noIP wa genzai osotte imasu. anata no jinsei to yobu aware na chīsana koto o fusshoku suru arashi. anata wa shinde iru yo, kodomo. watakushi wa itsu de mo, itsu de mo doko ni de mo iru koto ga dekimasu. watakushi wa700 ijō no hōhō de anata o korosu koto ga dekimasu. sore wa watakushi no sude dake desu. watakushi wa hi busō no sentō de tettei-teki ni kunren sarete iru dake de naku, Beikoku kaihei-tai no heiki-ko zentai ni akusesu dekimasu. anata no mijime na o shiri o tairiku no kao kara fukitoru tame ni watakushi wa sore o kanzen ni shiyō shimasu. moshi anata dake ga anata no chīsana‘ kashikoi’ komento ga anata o taosō to shite ita, donna fushin na hōfuku o shitte ita no de are ba, tabun anata wa anata no shita o kakaete itadeshō. shikashi, anata ga dekinakatta, anata wa shinakatta, soshite ima anata wa kakaku o shiharatte iru, anata wa baka da. watakushi wa anata no ue ni hageshī ikari o fukikomi, anata wa sore de oborerudeshō. anata wa shinde iru, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.3485089]

>>3485088
Ok, I'll admit, that was pretty funny.

[Anonymous No.3485091]

>>3485087
I keep trying to figure this one out but for the life of me I can't figure it out. What the fuck do you mean by "Ita"?

[Anonymous No.3485101]

>>3484643
looks fine to me

[Anonymous No.3485102]

>>3485046
Dead Leaves.
>>3485043
OP smacks of a weeaboo who thinks his narrow subjective preferences for Japanese art (most likely the most homogenous mass produced anime style out there) is the only valid way for any japanese inspired styles, when Japanese styles themselves can be wildly different from each other. And then you have other faggots in tgis thread claiming that Japanese styles are only 2D and three dimensional facial features aren't allowed, even though plenty of Japanese artists do that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.3485108]

>>3485101
I don't like his art style. I mean, it's technically good, but it's just not appealing to me for some reason.

[Anonymous No.3485120]

Post more based western animu to trigger the weebs.

[Anonymous No.3485124]

>>3485108
everyone has their own tastes

[Anonymous No.3485127]

I'm not the biggest fan of KNKL's artstyle but I really appreciate him for the wealth of instructions he's actually given over the years in his video series.

He pretty much covered everything from abstract topics like "finding inspiration" to the most technical details of Photoshop, like setting up shortcuts and such.

The only gripe I have with him is that he teaches one particular method of painting because it's the method that he uses and I find that it's a bit flawed in some areas.

[Anonymous No.3485134]

>>3485127
agree. I used to watch a lot of knkl stuff and a lot of his shit is really great. I personally prefer a little more analytical approach (that's why I really started liking istebrak's critique videos) and when I watched knkl there was a lot of "I do this because it looks good" without the WHY.

[Anonymous No.3485139]

>>3485120
LOOK AT THIS CHEAP PILE OF SHIT UNLIKE MY SUPERIOR NIPPON ARTFORM TRULY BLASPHEMOUS

[Anonymous No.3485150]

>>3484646
this

[Anonymous No.3485154]

>>3484757
>eye further away is bigger

[Anonymous No.3485170]

>>3485124
Yeah, I know. But it's weird, cause logically, I should be all about his artstyle. But there's something about it that just gives me an odd vibe. I can't quite describe it, but it's like when you eat something, and it just makes you feel queazy for some off reason. I guess if I were to describe it more accurately, his art style kinda leaves a sour taste in my mouth somehow. Like, something about it just feels awfully disingenuous. Yeah, that's really how'd I describe it. Disingenuous. It's technically great, but it's almost like his art style really isn't a representation of who he is. It feels, artificial somehow.

And this has nothing to do with him being a westerner doing anime art. Endrealm, and Alex Ahad are also westerners with an anime-influenced art style, but when I see their work, I see their being transmitted through the art, abd this makes it appealing to me. With Kienan it's not like that at all. Or at least, that's tge vibe I get. And it seens a lot of the Riot artists give me that vibe desu. I don't like any of them.

I hope that makes sense, it's kind of abstract, but it's like this feeling I get when I see his work. Mark Crilley also gives me a similar vibe.

[Anonymous No.3485192]

>>3485120
You're just proving OP's point by posting this trash though. Why can't westerners draw convincing anime?

[Anonymous No.3485195]

>>3485154
This is really common in Manga/jap art and it's just one of those things that works

[Anonymous No.3485207]

>>3485029
Frodo

[Anonymous No.3485209]

>>3484643
line weight

[Anonymous No.3485213]

>>3485192
lmao

[Anonymous No.3485217]

>>3484643

kill yourself you fat faggot bitch lmfao

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[Anonymous No.3485227]

post more western anime

[Anonymous No.3485230]

>>3485227
>western
>anime

You go full retard or something

[Anonymous No.3485243]

watching /a/ faggots argue about what is legit anime and who is allowed to call it that is perhaps the most cringe worthy thing 4chan has to offer.

[Anonymous No.3485264]

>>3485192
or maybe it's not supposed to be extremely derivative and actually meant to be a memorable artstyle that's the product of multiple influences

no one gives a shit about the 10,000 VNs that all look exactly the same

[Anonymous No.3485270]

>>3485264
And yet this image also proves you wrong >>3484695

[Anonymous No.3485277]

>>3485270
proves what wrong? I'm just saying western """anime""" artstyles have no duty to emulate the japanese 1:1 like the weebs her believe, and can be fully realized styles of their own

[Anonymous No.3485423]

>>3484643
It's really all about the culture OP.
Western culture is more patriarchal, logical. While eastern culture is more matriarchal, intuitive.
The reason why western anime feels cheap is because of culture clash, based on my observations.
Anime is eastern, so it will have eastern cultures ingrained to it. Watch enough of it and your subconsciousness will be very comfortable with it.
But use an eastern method of stylization to convey something western, expect it to not capture what your subconscious calls the "anime essence".

Don't take my word for it though, do your own research about it don't trust what you think you know or what others think they know.

[Anonymous No.3485442]

>>3485227
This is korean

[Anonymous No.3485586]

>>3485227

[Anonymous No.3485613]

>>3485127
This. Most artists explain the theory behind it but none of them explain how to actually use the fucking program.

[Anonymous No.3485621]

>>3484643
Presumably the lack of eroticism allows you to correctly understand the low value of anime

[Anonymous No.3485631]

>>3485423
>Eastern Culture is more matriarchal

HAHAHAHAHAHA what?

What level of ignorance does it take to be this stupid? The Japanese word for husband is LITERALLY "master." In China, Confucianism placed so much reverance in the father that you literally ALWAYS har to be respectful toward tgem, at all times. FFS, the fucking languages were structured around showing respect and honor toward the father. It doesn't GET more patriarchal than East Asian cultures. Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.3485632]

>>3485127
>look up this guy
>art isn't bad
>guy himself is insufferable

I don't blame him, I'm sure he's a decent guy personally, but people have to act like that on youtube so that children and foreign scum who don't understand english particularly well are entertained enough to subscribe.

[Anonymous No.3485635]

heh

[Anonymous No.3485651]

Generally weaker fundies and/or a preference to use stylizations not found in Japanese cartooning. Stupid thread.

[Anonymous No.3485656]

Every "adviser" here should post their work. Don't listen to speculations and asspulls.

[Anonymous No.3485662]

I keep secretly checking these threads to see if anyone reposts my art as an example of good western anime.
Maybe someday.

[Anonymous No.3485670]

>>3485656

Especially those claiming "drawing in anime style is easy to me" which is a sure sign of duningo-krugero

[Anonymous No.3485673]

>>3484770
>None of these people draw convincing anime
What the fuck constitutes anime then?

[Anonymous No.3485679]

>>3485670
Ehh, I'll bite. I imagine I'll get a lot of posts telling me it's not "true anime" but I suppose it'll be entertaining. I'll dump a few things.

[Anonymous No.3485681]

>>3485679

[Anonymous No.3485684]

>>3485681

[Anonymous No.3485685]

>>3485684

[Anonymous No.3485688]

>>3485685

[Anonymous No.3485724]

>>3485681
Hey, I recognize you.

What do I study to get as good as you?

[Anonymous No.3485731]

>>3485688
I remember you from the /v/ thread!

[Anonymous No.3485733]

I don't like the flat anime faces

[Anonymous No.3485736]

[Anonymous No.3485737]

>>3485736
>Alchemaniac is a westerner

What the fuck

We can all make it brahs

[Anonymous No.3485739]

>>3485737
why you ruined fun? delete this post

[Anonymous No.3485768]

>>3485029
> think all those cut corners are a staple of the style and not a result of budget constraints.

you are not completely wrong, except this. You should understand that people have, and choose styles for a reason. If someone wants to draw just moe, then he/she will probably just stick to such simplistic styles. If they prefer something more semi realistic, then they will focus on achieving that. It's a decision thing, some just don't want to learn something more, but are satisfied with what they truly are interested in.

As for animation, sure it's cutting costs to some degree, but you need to realize that animators learn this specific style of animation during their school process, since this is the style that is needed in the industry. Anything more than that they have to learn on their own, but many don't, since doing regular animation process daily for 14h+ is already more than enough.

[Anonymous No.3485775]

The nose. That is how you can tell 90% of the time between western anime art to eastern, it's almost always in how the nose is rendered.

[Anonymous No.3485799]

I always feel like those who overvalue "being Japanese" and who try to make something like drawing blood related are non Japanese Asians. I've seen it a lot. They always seem to have some kind of inferiority complex towards them or some kind of identity crisis and to cope with being a "low class Asian" they try to shit on everyone else who is not paying enough respect to their "masters", like other non-Nip artists drawing animu.

[Anonymous No.3485887]

>>3484643
But OP

That looks a lot more like French animu.

[Anonymous No.3485928]

>>3485887

Draw me like one of ur french waifus xD

[Anonymous No.3485930]

>>3485928
Some girl actually said this to me once. Minus the waifus. And she herself was half French.

[Anonymous No.3485931]

>>3485928
But you are not Simone.

[Anonymous No.3485944]

>>3484643
>>3485101
Mika is hot desu

[Anonymous No.3485946]

>>3485930
Like 20 girls and 50 dudes have said that to me..is not a fresh joke

[Anonymous No.3485947]

>>3485724
It takes a long time, and a lot of hard work to gitgud, that's something you're just gonna have to accept.

I meant to post this a long time ago, but I never did. I wanted to finish the fox girl first, but I still haven't gotten around to it. Anyway, on the left you've got my art about 5 years ago, right when I started studying, just before I did art school. I wouldn't recommend art school, just set put your own program, and build the discipline.

Most of all, you really wanna learn perspective, and combine that with basic construction. I work with mostly boxes to draw everything I draw, and if you can draw a box in perspective, you can pretty much draw anything. Now, this doesn't mean grind boxes endlessly. Read Scott Rob's book, do the exercises, whenever you feel like you need to do studies of specific things, then grind that out for a week, but most of all, you should be spending your time drawing what you like to draw, all the while trying out new techniques and pushing your comfort zone. It should always be fun though. That's where you wanna get to at least. I will be a hard grind at first, but if you build a decent program for yourself, and follow through with it, you'll get a solid enough foundation to just draw what you like, self-analyze, and hone in on specific weaknesses. Oh, and don't ignore stabilization or leave it for last That's a mistake many people on here make. Wear your influences on your sleeve, happily, and begin to craft your own art style based around those, right from the start. It should never be a crutch mind you, but you should also not leave that for last, unless you wanna develop a generic and generally unmemorable art style. Your style is your signature, it'll take a long time to develop that into something that's uniquely yours. He'll that's something I'm still working on, and I was always happy to focus on my own style from the start.

[Anonymous No.3485952]

>>3485724
Also. follow this guide someonewhat loosesly, use it to build your own study program. You know, create checkpoints and short term goals for yourself.

Like say,

Month 1, finish this book, deisgn a car, an airplane, a house, etc...

Month 2, Anatomy, go through this other book, draw x amount of whatever...

Break each one of those down per week as well, so like, 1 week to get the car done, after you've finished the book, another for the airplane, etc... And you go that way. If you think you can handle more, you add more.

Also, when it comes to perspective, you do wanna get to the point where you can sketch vehicles (and objects, including people), in perspective, from imagination. If you follow Scotts Robs book, apply it strictly and techinally, and then start applying the same concepts on a sketchbook more loosely, you'll get it. And from there it gets like way easier to learn everything else. Have a sketchbook for cars, and vehicles, then move onto bugs, etc...


>>3485731
The DMCV one, yeah? I should be done with this piece soon enough, I've just taken a step back for a bit to reassess how I'm gonna carry it out exactly. I don't wanna rush it to get it done, and then wind up unsatisfied with the result. Imo, this can look really boss if I get it right.

[Anonymous No.3485954]

>>3485947
>stabilization
I meant to say Stylization. Idk what's wrong with me this morning, lol. Hopefully it all makes sense.

[Anonymous No.3485958]

>>3485946
I don't normally go around telling people I'm an artist, so I don't hear it very often. That particular instance is just meaningful to me, cause I liked the girl in question, and I did draw her, and she liked the picture. So it's just that, a funny memory more than anything I guess.

[Anonymous No.3486018]

>>3485264
Anime is the product of multiple influences you dumb nigger. The point is that you can easily tell when westerners try to imitate anime.

[Anonymous No.3486044]

>>3485017

Nose to big, lines to thick, eyes to spherical, if you want it to look like anime you need to put yourself in the body of a Japanese.

[Anonymous No.3486058]

>>3485947
She has no ribcage and her right leg makes no sense. Her left leg doesn’t look attached to her body, partly because the structure of the hip is nonexistent but also because it looks like it’s almost completely sideways while her body is not (that’s why the right leg doesn’t make sense). Draw this again

[Anonymous No.3486060]

>>3486044
What?

[Anonymous No.3486062]

>>3486058
Lol, that's why I stopped drawing it and I never posted it. I'm gonna do it over later.

[Anonymous No.3486066]

>>3486058
>>3486062
Also, her design is incomplete, that's not the sort of kimono I wanna give her. So I have to pause and do a proper turnaround before carrying on with that, as well as some research into the sort of kimono I want her to have. That sketch was more to get the general feel for the character, it's full of errors. Her upper body is more on point though.

[Anonymous No.3486069]

>>3486044
animes?

[Anonymous No.3486078]

>>3486069
Feels more /co/ than /a/. Like a bit of a hybrid.

>>3485679
>>3485681
This feels very /a/, congrats.

[Anonymous No.3486079]

>>3484646
fpbp

[Anonymous No.3486094]

>>3484643
Best 4chan artists both whites and blacks can do both anime and american comic book style.

[Anonymous No.3486101]

>>3484643
That looks really good though.

[Anonymous No.3486102]

>>3486078
>more /co/ than /a/
okay

[Anonymous No.3486113]

>>3486102
This is much better. In the first one, the mouth was way too big, which is a typical western cartooning feature. Nips tend to keep the mouths smaller, especially on females.

[Anonymous No.3486143]

>>3486113
>the mouth was way too big, which is a typical western cartooning feature. Nips tend to keep the mouths smaller, especially on females.

[Anonymous No.3486180]

>>3486113
Anon...

[Anonymous No.3486182]

>>3486113
Thats a yikes from me

[Anonymous No.3486185]

>>3486113
you do realise who draw those right??

[Anonymous No.3486189]

>>3486182
>>3486185
Doesn't matter, has a very western style, and LWA has strong western influences. PSG is the same. Just cause it's made by a nip, doesn't mean it doesn't lean more to the western cartooning side of things.

[Anonymous No.3486196]

>>3485651

Anime/manga are not cartoons, cartoons strive for uglyness.

[Anonymous No.3486198]

>>3486189
never said it wasn't west inspired, but having big mouths is not a just western feature if you watched any anime you would realise that.

[Anonymous No.3486205]

amine?

[Anonymous No.3486206]

>>3486198
generally speaking, it's more common for female characters to have smaller mouths, and noses in eastern styles. Reason being is cause they try to pronounce delicate features.

[Anonymous No.3486208]

>>3484643
This looks better than normal anime like naruto, dbz, or black clover.

Maybe it's because this drawing is in gray because it looks even better when its painted in color. Keinan Lafferty is a fine artist.

[Anonymous No.3486213]

>>3486206
Hahah

[Anonymous No.3486214]

>>3486213
exaggerated expression theres no way that character has a mouth that big in a neutral expression. fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.3486220]

>>3484646
>>3484647
>>3485150
>>3486079
How dare you talk trash about superior nippon art style.

[Anonymous No.3486223]

>>3484646
>>3484647
>>3485150
>>3486079
How dare you talk trash about superior nippon art style.

[Anonymous No.3486224]

>>3486213
that's a deliberately overexaggerated expression if the eyes didn't give it away. very different from the smug expression the girl has in the character sheet. Her mouth literally reaches past her eyes. that's a western cartooning thing, from like the Hannah Barbera days.

[Anonymous No.3486235]

>>3486220
>>3486224
kek i was just laughing about what you were saying the pic wasn't meant to prove anything?

[Anonymous No.3486274]

>>3486113
>picrelated
>>3486189
Putting such a hard dichotomy between what should be Western/Eastern style is a meme, desu. Both Japan and westerners influence each other, esp. in the formative years of modern manga and anime. Osamu Tezuka, the great grandpappy of anime himself, listed Walt Disney as one of his major influences. Anime and manga art styles have evolved a lot over time and LWA and Studio Trigger is just another branch in that evolution.
I mean, by a lot of you anime purist's standards, Gutsy Frog (wide mouths, cartoony style), AKIRA (they have actual noses instead of dots lel), and JJBA (holé füg, this one breaks so many anime style tropes that it's unreal lmao) aren't "anime" enough for you.

Quit trying to box anime into such rigid constraints. It's always changing and it always will, and west and east will inevitably mix together and create more evolutionary branches.

[Anonymous No.3486289]

>Western anime

[Anonymous No.3486292]

>>3486069
So I need to fuck a nip?

[Anonymous No.3486320]

>>3486274
Fair enough, but then explain to me why these
>>3485736
>>3485681
>>3485586
>>3485227
>>3485120
>>3485679
>>3484825
>>3484805
>>3486102


are more authentic and appealing than these:
>>3485944
>>3485127
>>3485101
>>3484643
>>3486289

[Anonymous No.3486323]

>>3484643
erased lineweights < perfect draftsmanship

[Anonymous No.3486325]

>>3486189
>are more authentic and appealing than these:
Because you don't like them?

[Anonymous No.3486328]

>>3486320
it's just multiple artists instead of that same fucking youtube guy over and over

[Anonymous No.3486335]

[Anonymous No.3486342]

anime?

[Anonymous No.3486343]

>>3486328
I can find other examples, right off the top of my head, Sycra comes to mind as another "western anime artist." If I went digging for more, I'm sure I could find plenty. Cube brush is another example. They're not bad artists on a technical level, and their art clearly has anime influence to it, but it's not authentic, it doesn't look like actual anime/manga, it looks like a westerner trying to emulate anime/manga.

What is it that separates the artists who manage to capture a unique and authentic anime inspired art style, from those who have an "anime inspired art style?"

[Anonymous No.3486354]

>>3486343
>Sycra
>Cube brush
>anime
Sycra literally pushing his style instead of trying to emulate eastern style. His style born because of Sinix. The guys like Cube brush, Sinix don't even trying to emulate anime. They don't study this shit.

>>3485736
>>3485681
>>3485586
>>3485679
Are westerns.

[Anonymous No.3486358]

sakimichan counts shes Canadian her art is "western anime"

[Anonymous No.3486359]

>>3486320
That's kind of a subjective thing, mang.

[Anonymous No.3486361]

>>3486320
Also, >>3486289 is a (Jo)joke.

[Anonymous No.3486363]

>>3486343
Watch this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJaoRjaFSRg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CAlo0IU-UI
It's mix of styles.
If you want to draw like jap study jap artists. Animators especially.

[Anonymous No.3486365]

>>3486354
I'm not saying they're not westerners. I'm just asking what separates them from other westerners who have less appealing art styles that don't look convincingly anime.

And Sycra and Cubebrush have specifically stated to have anime/manga influences in their art style in their videos.

>>3486358
Sakimichan is another examples of someone emulating the anime aesthetic in her art, yet having a rather generic and unappealing style. Kr0n is actually on the opposite end, his style genuinely authentic and appealing.

[Anonymous No.3486368]

>>3486365
>yet having a rather generic and unappealing style.
And still she's popular on pixiv among Japanese artists.

[Anonymous No.3486454]

>>3486368
>among Western artists on pixiv
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.3486466]

>>3485088
I get this just from the size of the text block.

[Anonymous No.3486470]

>>3486365
Creativity and skill has more to do with it than slavishly trying to emulate some ethereal 'true anime kino' concept. Subjectivity also comes into play here.
Sakimichan and other artists like her tend to fall into the trap of being good on a technical level and being pretty to look at, but being conceptually bland because all they do is pinups of popular stuff.

Sinix is anime inspired but he isn't trying to be an anime style artist, he's doing his own thing. I mean, who isn't anime inspired nowadays? I myself admire Tite Kubo, Masashi Kishimoto, and Hiromu Arakawa's artwork, Hiromu especially being a huge inspiration for me. Anime isn't my primary style either, though I dip into it from time to time for fun.

[Anonymous No.3486489]

>>3485632
This. A lot of his videos actually put good information out in ways that are easily digested, but I came up with the exact same word for him while watching. Insufferable.

[Anonymous No.3486525]

>>3485947
>>3485952
So you were drawing in this anime-ish style while also learning the fundamentals? Did you bother with realism at all or what.

[Anonymous No.3486564]

>>3484843
The west is infected with Marxism and critical theory, which are systems of thought which, in addition to other things, seek to topple all depictions of art and beauty (destroying and replacing 'classic' architecture, music, art) and in its place glorifiy the ugly obscene (modern art, modern music, modern architecture)

Japan has yet to experience neo-Marxist infiltration in its systems of education and government (the long march through the institutions). Thus, we do not see the effects of Marxism in their media.

[Anonymous No.3486565]

>>3486564
>t. youtube "skeptic" fan

[Anonymous No.3486568]

>>3486564
Go back to your containment board

[Anonymous No.3486584]

>>3486454
>Western
dude she was on first page numerous times on pixiv. Her main audience don't use pixiv. It's not popular among western normalfags artists too because of reasons. Hell pixiv has it's own Sakimichans. Lpip for example can trigger /ic/

[Anonymous No.3486641]

>>3486564
"Marxism is the destruction of anime"
- Karl Marx describing Marxism

[Anonymous No.3487229]

>>3484695
>kenmonozume
A nigga of fine taste

[Anonymous No.3487365]

>tfw everyone thinks I’m trying to draw anime when I actually take inspiration from western indie comics
I can’t fucking take it. I like anime sometimes but I’m not trying to copy it, and it’s not what I’m trying to project in my art. And to add insult to injury:
>my biggest customer wants me to drop my own way of drawing things and draw not even anime, but that weird western knockoff version SPECIFICALLY
>for some reason he likes this dumb style
I’m inches away from quitting everything, giving in, and just taking the weeb pill to make easy money. God fucking dammit.

[Anonymous No.3487372]

>>3487365
I just want to be able to actually draw animu

[Anonymous No.3487390]

>>3486641
Neo-Marxists implementing critical theory seek to destroy beauty and art. And anime is beautiful. Which is why leftists are so upset with anime's "unrealistic beauty standards". Soft features, patrician noses, herculean figures depicted in anime get replaced with ugly noses, portly figures when leftists draw the same anime characters.

[Anonymous No.3487402]

>>3484647
>>3484651
Let me guess, people make fun of your shitty wannabe animu artstyle?

[Anonymous No.3487403]

>>3484643
This pseudo anime western type art is just cringy. Either make it look like actual anime or don't bother.

[Anonymous No.3487422]

>>3484643
>this entier thread
it’s times like this where i wonder why i even come to this place...

[Anonymous No.3487489]

>>3484643
Because people like >>3484646 get into it.

[Anonymous No.3487502]

>>3484931
Because he's an idiot. You gotta start from the eyes first.

[Anonymous No.3487515]

>>3485737
There are few drawfags on /a/ who can draw convincingly anime-looking art.

[Anonymous No.3489228]

>>3484646
lmao

[Anonymous No.3489303]

>>3486564
>We don't have anime waifu in the West because of marxism.

This sentence encapsulates the current state of 4chan.

[Anonymous No.3489304]

>>3485067
>You know more than those by the age of 15 when you lice in central Europe.

Amerifats will never learn, English AND german is mandatory around here with the inclusion of our minority language and state language.

[Anonymous No.3489308]

>>3485101
>everything is very good tier
>everything, except that character's head.

[Anonymous No.3489314]

>>3489303
Instead, we have ponies....
"ponyfus"
:(

[Anonymous No.3489320]

>>3485243
It's been going on here for more than a decade now. It gets old.

[Anonymous No.3489337]

>>3486078
ITS LITERALLY YOSHINARI YOU DUMB NIGGER

[Anonymous No.3489411]

>>3485632
>>3486489
Am I autistic for not being that bothered by his style of presentation?

It does feel a bit like he's talking down to a kid (most of his fanbase is very young admittedly) but it's not unwatchable by any means.

[Anonymous No.3489430]

[Anonymous No.3489507]

>>3486182
>>3486143
>>3486180
is everyone here unaware that the studio trigger guy is heavily inspired by western cartoons and has stated he prefers them over anime? obviously his style will be more western inspired, pic related. he drew steven universe fan art and is friends with the creator and has written for a few episodes

[Anonymous No.3489512]

>>3489507
>stated he prefers them over anime?
source?

[Anonymous No.3489585]

>>3484651
>rwby
didn't the creator literally steal mmd parts/faces?
>even when plagiarizing, they couldn't make it look good
yikes
how /co/ likes this show is beyond me

[Anonymous No.3489591]

>>3489303
Remove /pol/

[Anonymous No.3489592]

>>3489585
RWBY is on of the popular shows in Japan. It has manga, figures and game. Weebs are retarded. They would eat RWBY if you swap names and VA for japanese ones.

[Anonymous No.3489601]

>>3489592
not with that animation lmao

[Anonymous No.3489606]

>>3489601
>Houseki no Kuni
>Blame and other Polygon anime
>KADO
>etc
anon...

[Anonymous No.3489607]

>>3489606
All of those look miles better than RBWY.

[Anonymous No.3489636]

>>3484643
They don't want to completely copy Japanese artists because they are afraid of cultural appropriation. They are trying to be eminem instead of riff raff.

[Anonymous No.3489728]

Just a thought but I think the distinct Japanese feel comes from them using mini grids to practice their kana and kanji while in school. The strokes that you have to make for kana and kanji radicals are pretty numerous and the grid stuff makes whatever they put on paper very balanced. Thus most westerners cannot truly duplicate and you can always tell even if things are pretty similar.

[Anonymous No.3489729]

>>3484643
because anime characters are japanese, westerners see them as white, but when you add a layer or real white over the asian-as-white you get too much white even for white people

[Anonymous No.3489730]

>>3484643
i think that this "imitation anime" style is the ugliest shit ever. Not even for artistic reasons i just hate how it looks. Sadly everyone loves it and eats it up.

[Anonymous No.3489736]

>>3486335
Just watched that and it's my new favorite film

[Anonymous No.3491302]

>>3489507
>prefers western animation over anime
Going to need a source on that anon

[Anonymous No.3491323]

>>3484765
>pigeon666, rei17, cushart, shilin, htk
only one of those artists is western anon

[Anonymous No.3491332]

>>3484789
"Oh, it's a sheet of paper with the word 'Niggerfaggot' on it."

[Anonymous No.3491370]

>>3484643
Because you instantly know it's done by teenage amateurs and that fact alone makes you lose any possible respect you could have had for it.

[Anonymous No.3492875]

>>3489728
What are you talking about? Have you never done calligraphy while in Elementary school?

I've actually studied Kanji and think you're full of shit. Also, not all Japs can draw.

[Anonymous No.3493213]

>>3489728
most japs don't even know how to write kanji tho

[Anonymous No.3493227]

>>3489430

[Anonymous No.3493228]

>>3484732
big o uses the same animation style as batman tas you fuck

[Anonymous No.3493246]

>Chilenean fag
Do they even count as western

[Anonymous No.3493611]

tadaa, suddenly anime. i'm not japanese btw.

[Anonymous No.3493629]

>>3493611
Really though. I hated the longish/unaesthetic faces I was drawing lately so I compared the proportions to the faces I consider appealing, like Asanagi's. The main thing is they draw massive fucking craniums, like 2 to 2.5 of the chin to the bottom eye orbit can fit in the upper half of the skull. You think you're drawing it right, and you're probably not unless you grew up with it and it's as natural as your tap water to you, or you're consciously developing the proportions.
Even with more mature-looking characters like 02 from Franxx they don't go less than 1.5 chin-orbits in the upper half. I was drawing .9 to .--this is more realistic and I think more natural to Westerners going for a mix of cartoonyy+realism.

[Anonymous No.3493632]

>>3493629
.9 to 1*

[Anonymous No.3493633]

>>3493246
Los chilenos no son humanos.

[Anonymous No.3493636]

>>3493246
Of course

[Anonymous No.3493643]

You know how AI can't feel emptions, only emulate their external effects? Same goes for japs. Somethings off upstairs

[Anonymous No.3493651]

>>3493629
I think you're overcomplicating it. I mean, I grew up with Anime but I never really measure everything like that. I just practiced it for a while and now it feels natural to me. Every nip artist probably sucks in the beginning as well.
It's just exaggerated child proportions really.

Asanagi doesn't really draw very appealing faces imo though.

[Anonymous No.3493666]

>>3493651
I don't measure it for each drawing, I just did it for the few samples I examined. I guess you might call it a study but that seems silly for what it was. What I got out of it is the "data" so I know how to diagnose a bad face, but it's already becoming second nature to me. And true everyone sucks at first, but culturally I mean these are the people that produced Pikachu. I think they're just better at idealizing cuteness.

[Anonymous No.3493734]

>>3484643
Japanese artists have a plethora of resources, from artbooks to schools, that teach people exactly how to draw their way. Although there are exceptions, generally any uniqueness in style is subtle because of their collectivist culture. They don't usually admit to having a unique style; instead they'll say their way of drawing is the "correct" way for what they're doing.

Meanwhile outside of Japan, such resources are scarce and/or difficult to find. We're left tin the dark to figure it out on our own, but since being special and unique is generally encouraged, the result becomes this. Anything we don't understand and draw incorrectly, we simply pass it off as our own unique "style", and that's generally good enough for most people.

[Anonymous No.3493752]

>>3493643
>lowest crime rate in the world
>

[Anonymous No.3493757]

>>3493734
Most pseud thing I've read in a while. Congrats.

[Anonymous No.3493762]

>>3493757

[Anonymous No.3493766]

>>3493734
The material is available it's just in moonrunes. The japs surely would happily sell us gaijin their secret to drawing cute anime girls, but its just not economical. Not enough translators. Not enough demand.

[Anonymous No.3495075]

>>3493734
>Meanwhile outside of Japan, such resources are scarce and/or difficult to find.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.3495159]

>>3484736
>Your pic has elements of western cartoon style, which is very easy emulate. A child could draw Mickey Mouse easily, for example. As a result, it looks cheap

This, to me at least, indicates that you're an amateur, since that's a very common sentiment among amateur artists. Simple and easy to draw don't necessarily mean cheap and unappealing.

Pac-man, for example, is one of the greatest character designs ever, and you can literally boil him down to a yellow circle with a slice cut out of it. A truly good design will remain recognizable no matter how poorly the artist draws it

Also, just as an aside, most of the appeal of a drawing comes not from the design, but from how well the individual artist draws that design. Most anime made after the late 70s actually have pretty bad character design. The anime industry as a whole suffers from disney syndrome, where they take the same three or four stock designs and tweak them just enough to make them look like different characters. There's some exceptions (mostly in shonen for some reason), but they are, again, the exception, not the rule

Also also, I actually do like japanese art and culture a lot (I started getting in to art by drawing fan comics of the pokemon manga, and I've studied anime frame by frame to teach myself how to animate), I'm just aware of their shortcomings

>>3484757
They don't use 2D forms, they use 3D forms with looser details. It's hard to explain, but, They're still thinking about where the general forms lie in 3D space, even though the details on those forms are flat.

[Anonymous No.3495283]

>>3484736
>>3484755
Mickey Mouse is deceptively hard to draw. A child cannot draw him on model easily, and its even hard for professionals at Disney to draw him since he's built up entirely of carefully placed ellipses. The same can be said about characters from Adventure Time.

[Anonymous No.3495300]

>>3493611
hehe

[Anonymous No.3495321]

>>3493611
the white chick looks infinitely more appealing now.

[Anonymous No.3495555]

>>3495283
A lot of people who don't draw simple characters don't get how hard they are to draw. The fewer details a character has, the more important it is you get the few details that are there right

[Anonymous No.3495952]

>>3495159
Art, isn't commercial drawing.
Pac man is a successful visual character design not because of the design but because of the limited technological limit. The same as the famius 8-bit mario.
These designs goes well because both of them has franchise that goes for a long time as well. The imagery becoming an icon because they're forced by advertising and referencing in pop culture.

[Anonymous No.3495953]

>>3495283
Technical issues isn't a qualitative of good drawing or design.

[Anonymous No.3497253]

Bump

[Anonymous No.3497263]

>>3493633
Based

[Anonymous No.3497413]

>>3493633
say the peruANO

[Anonymous No.3497589]

>>3484643
>>3493611
どーーーーんw
hopless

[Anonymous No.3497605]

Every single western "anime" artist goes for excessively exaggerated expressions. I think a problem is they got hooked on the cringey goofy reaction faces they saw in late 90s/early 2000s anime and decided that every single character must have that kind of face all the time.

Well done anime is a simplification of realism. Western anime is traditional animation techniques trying to fit into a style that it wasn't meant for.

[Anonymous No.3497615]

>>3497589
they look retarded

[Anonymous No.3497670]

>>3497615
Well, they ARE retarded.

[Anonymous No.3498372]

>>3497589
looks worse now desu

[Anonymous No.3498432]

>>3486060
You aren't weeboo'ing hard enough.

[Anonymous No.3498439]

>>3497589
Looks bad mang.

[Anonymous No.3498654]

>>3485020
I love that artist so much

>>3486113
Ahahah. Ahaha. Oh.