/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3446966]

As most of us spend our time almost entirely as online neets... how do you deal with loneliness, anon-kun?

[Anonymous No.3446969]

have sex with your art

[Anonymous No.3446973]

tf no gf are subhumans
nothing more disgusting than /r9k/ tf no gf autists
world first problem lmao

[Anonymous No.3446991]

>>3446973
shut the fuck up,lol

[Anonymous No.3446994]

This is just a meme right?

[Anonymous No.3447079]

weed, discord, vrchat and a healthy dose of nihilism

[Anonymous No.3447133]

>>3446966
>how do you deal with loneliness
but that's my secret
i don't
i'm constantly extremely lonely and suicidal

[Anonymous No.3447194]

>>3446966
I want to be part of a drawing/painting club.
How do I find one?

[Anonymous No.3447197]

>>3447194
I believe a vast majority of artists are introverted as fuck
So there aren't that many

[Anonymous No.3447221]

>>3446966
Most of my week involves talking to clients nearly every day all day and translation. I get more interaction than I want. I miss being NEET.

[Anonymous No.3447232]

>>3446966
I shitpost on 4chan

[Anonymous No.3447238]

I offer really hurtful comments veiled as honest constructive critique via a compiled list of terms and phrases and then tell people to kill themselves when they get butthurt on an anime website.

[Anonymous No.3447338]

>>3446966
I'm married to someone who understands my goals and interests so I don't really feel lonely often.

I'm more lonely about not having artist friends to talk to

[Anonymous No.3447346]

>life the artist's life
>girls are drawn to you
>be in several polyamorous relationships

Thanks, I'm good.

[Anonymous No.3447348]

>>3447346
>not holding classic western values
absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.3447352]

>>3447348
I make my own values.

[Anonymous No.3447373]

>>3447352
lol no you don't

[Anonymous No.3447382]

>>3446966
I have a couple of friends... also, discord. When I get better and get a decent computer I would like to do hangouts and chat to people

[Anonymous No.3447386]

I get drunk at nights and usually have some banter on my local CS:S server til I pass out.
then I get up, go to the corner store, don't talk to the cute asian girl who seems to lingerly stare at me whenever I leave; to get some food, and then go home and draw.
every single day.

[Anonymous No.3447479]

>>3447346
>spencer

[Anonymous No.3447480]

>>3447382
Is hangouts a meme? I don't know why you would want someone else to see how you're drawing.

[Anonymous No.3447497]

>>3447480
It's really fun and motivating imo, I started drawing a lot more consistently since I started doing hangouts/screenshare. Hope I don't burn out though

[Anonymous No.3447500]

grindr.

you don't even have to have sex, it's basically a whole app full of horny desperate men who will talk to you for a few minutes about anything just as long as they think they might get to cum in you

[Anonymous No.3447514]

>>3446969
>have sex with your art

'Noids do not have sex with Doodles!

[Anonymous No.3447515]

>>3446966
most of you are neets?

[Anonymous No.3447516]

>>3447480
>>3447497
I have never done it actually, but it looks like a lot of fun. Also being productive while talking to people feels like a win-win, right? I'm a bit nervous talking to people usually, but art is something I can talk lots and never shut up. About anything else, I'm like a 5 year old.

[Anonymous No.3447518]

>>3447514
if this was possible i'd acquire adderall and draw 16 hours a day

[Anonymous No.3447521]

>>3447346
>be gay
>want a monogamous relationship
>artist fags are all poly open relationship freebirds

[Anonymous No.3447612]

>>3446966
When I feel lonely I furiously masturbate until I stop feeling anything at all (including inspiration).

[Anonymous No.3447646]

>>3446966
>how do you deal with loneliness
i don't
i hate talking to people

[Anonymous No.3447651]

I've been trying to join an artist community for awhile but it's hard

They're either huge with like 10,000 members or four to five people who never talk. And then, if they're the sweet spot of 20-50 people, they have some super PC rules and oppressive moderation, or they're lawless cesspits of 'preserve the white race' and cringe.

Are my standards too high

[Anonymous No.3447656]

I dated an artist myself and what blew my away is the amount of people she had hitting on her on a regular basis. Female artists have it reeeally easy when it comes to dating. She didn't even have that big a following.

[Anonymous No.3447671]

>>3447651
join a PC one and don't say /pol/ words
unless they force you to use silly pronouns or something

[Anonymous No.3447674]

>>3447671
I don't say /pol/ words, I just hate oppressive moderation. The only servers I've seen have required stuff like trigger warnings for normal content, with vague rules that you really need to keep in mind to not get banned. I really just want a chill environment with people I can get to know and share art with without political over and undertones.

[Anonymous No.3447680]

I look at more talented people than me on the Internet untill I pass out crying or my memory is filled with fanart.

[Anonymous No.3447682]

>>3447651
>four to five people who never talk
How do I mitigate this? I'm always in this situation. Just say anything?

[Anonymous No.3447729]

>>3447674
I know what you're talking about, and I think those communities exist, but are probably highly selective in who they choose to invite.

[Anonymous No.3447731]

>>3446966
>deal with loneliness
Are you implying that loneliness is a bad thing?
Im a NEET because I like being alone more than with people in the first place.
I think that people who suffer from being alone are weak, it's a mark of great minds to be able to enjoy solitude

[Anonymous No.3447732]

>>3447731
Then I'm weak, but I'm still lonely.

[Anonymous No.3447733]

>>3447674
if you'd just chill out and follow the rules you'd have it brah

[Anonymous No.3447736]

>>3447733
I've never been banned from a chatroom for something. I'm not some crazy /pol/-type, either. I just hate the feeling of walking on eggshells in a chatroom. I want to have a fun conversation with friends, not deal with drama because someone misinterpreted what someone else said.

[Anonymous No.3447772]

>>3447731
> i like being alone so therefore i must be smart

When people call you 'socially retarded' i bet you're only paying attention to the 'social' part.

[Anonymous No.3447780]

>>3447772
Looks like you got your ego hurt, sorry.
First, no one call me "socially retarded" don't project the insults you get into me. I've literally no problem dealing with people unlike you it seems.
Second, liking being alone doesn't mean being smart. I said that being able to enjoy solitude is a mark of great mind, a mind able to spend time with itself without feeling bored, depressed or sad, a mind who can suffice itself. Thing most people can't do and for them being alone means sadness and heavy psychological damages. Therefore weak.

[Anonymous No.3447795]

>>3447521
iktf
you got a discord homie?

[Anonymous No.3447834]

>>3447079
>vrchat

[Anonymous No.3447835]

>>3447338
hm maybe try a few discords, and see what sticks?

[Anonymous No.3447839]

>>3447780
Ahh, now I understand why no one wants to be around you.

[Anonymous No.3447841]

>>3447480
hm an artist friend of mine is really into it, so I guess there is something to gain from it.

I don't know much about it tho.. is it like those old doodling sites where you share a canvas with randoms?

[Anonymous No.3447849]

>>3447839
Nice projection. Sorry that you have a sad existence, weak minded anon.

[Anonymous No.3447859]

>>3447651
not really, it's more like they have fked excuses for standards. Just keep looking for a decent one.

>>3447656
It's not really dating, the majority of the guys are just lonely orbiters who want to build an affection towards somebody online.
At the same time they messaged another 50 female artists.

[Anonymous No.3447863]

>>3447731
>>3447780

you should really go outside a bit anon

[Anonymous No.3447873]

>>3447863
Kek another triggered weak minded.

[Anonymous No.3447905]

when i was single i made the most progress. dated this girl for 1y, fell for eachother hard, but it didnt work out. really miss her, im a mess, but i been drawing. cant stop drawing her. starting over, getting back into the grind.

[Anonymous No.3447914]

>>3446966
I don't have time to worry about lonliness. Too busy worrying about work and bills to have time for this dumb sht.

[Anonymous No.3448086]

>>3447680
This.

[Anonymous No.3448102]

>>3446966
>be schizoid with no social drive
working out pretty well so far

[Anonymous No.3448141]

>>3447905
same boat as you, except i'm still with her and i'm losing so much motivation to draw. i miss the gains

[containercore !o3a0NktvbA No.3448172]

>>3446966

1/2
This is a good question, deserving of a proper response.

As everyone knows that the road to getting good is solitary. A fact which there are two reasonable (and one unreasonable) responses to. The first is to attempt to negate the effects of solitude by maintaining a decent social life, hampering your art gains in the process; the second is to embrace solitude and committing social seppuku in order to make more art gains. Where a lot of us fail is that we think we are taking the latter option but as the realities of solitary existence creep in we seek pseudo-social escapes like >>3447079 mentioned. Either numbing out the solitariness of existence with petty distractions or wasting time on online friend simulators. We create a limbo hell between where our loneliness is being shoved in our faces due to our inability to truly experience and love solitude, as it is antithetical to our overstimulated and oversocialized minds.

The benefits of maintaining a social life are innumerable from a mental health perspective. No man is an island and the weight of loneliness is what keeps NEETs from accomplishing anything despite a theoretically infinite amount of time and energy to invest in their pursuits. Once you have exited social life it is very difficult to return. When you go hermit/monk/cocoon mode you do not put your social life on pause to be resumed at a later date, you more or less scrap it. Because you will be in hermit/monk/cocoon for years, and then you will have to build it up from scratch with no connections and no social capital.

[containercore !o3a0NktvbA No.3448177]

>>3448172
2/2
That being said solitude has enormous advantages if you are willing to fully embrace it and if you are able to manage your time. The trick is to wholeheartedly commit to it and to stop lamenting your lack of friends and a qt gf, these things are no longer for you and are a millstone around your neck. Thinking about them is like exposing yourself to instathots while on nofap, they only serve to reinforce the things you lack.

In a sense you must force or 'meme' yourself into enjoying true solitude. This involves things like meditating and working without music; coming to terms with the fact that your thoughts are now your primary companion. It involves cutting things that reinforce your loneliness like porn. Loneliness is a condition you bring upon yourself. The big drawback with this method is that you need the internet to find clients and/or art peers for crit. This means you have to exercise will and discipline to use things like discord/social media/imageboards for a specific purpose and not as a friend simulator for your empty life.

Of course it could be argued that it is better to just maintain some form of social life even if it means making less art gains for mental health reasons, I do realize that this is not an option for many of you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4QM2uENkE8

[Anonymous No.3448178]

>>3447780
>tfw too intelligent

[Anonymous No.3448181]

>>3447863
triggered? You must be an 8 year old sheltered faggot or something.

[Anonymous No.3448198]

>>3447651
Join the /tg/ server. More 4chan than the current /ic/ discords.

[Anonymous No.3448211]

>>3447736
It sort of the nature of medium sized art communities.
Showing your art exposes you in a way, and people feel vulnerable. Shitposting is difficult when you can be sure that one or two people out of 50 will misinterpret what you said.

[Anonymous No.3448376]

>>3447338
Exactly same here anon.

[Anonymous No.3448378]

>>3448177
Have you chosen the road of true solitude, and how it is going for you?

[Anonymous No.3448390]

>>3447873
>another wannabe intellectual projecting again

it's past your bedtime, underage retard

[Anonymous No.3448395]

>>3448390
>i have harnessed my intelligence and ascended above normal pleb humans that need socializing
>indeed, i am enlightened in my own intellect, and find no reason to engage and interact with simpletons in need of a social life
>it is a clear indicator of mental strength and aptitude that i do not get along with my peers

[Anonymous No.3448505]

>>3448172
>>3448177
I tried to go hermit it before but I could never fully let go of "tfw no gf" and related feelings.
Even though I'm autism and never touched a woman, I don't want to give up, I still feel a sort of pressure inside me that I must try and meet people, meet a cute girl.
Just today a girls' hand brushed against mine and it sparked a little bit of hope, even if it doesn't change anything inside me. Just shows how disconnected I am.

I'm actually looking to get help, with this, I fear that forcing myself into a hermit lifestyle will only shorten my life.
I mean, it might go well for a few years but I'm afraid there will be a fallback sooner or later, when the desire for social contact hasn't quite disappeared and instead will come back harder than ever before, only for me to realise I'm even further down slope than I was before.

I'd love to hear about some "succesful" hermits, even artists I look up to have friends, wives and children even, something I don't even dare to dream of.

[Anonymous No.3448554]

>>3447521
But why would you want a monogamous relationship if you're not even reproducing?

[Anonymous No.3448794]

>>3448505
i know your feel anon. Until last year i was pretty much in your boat, probably worse. 22, i never had a gf, dropped out of uni for a year because i felt too awkward asking people to house share since i spoke to no-one on my course.

So i dropped out of uni for a year, i wasn't any good at art then, but found /ic/ and got motivated to grind for the year until i got back to uni, and i took it really seriously (managed a consistent 40+hours a week focussed on drawing) since i had nothing else to do with my time and it kinda helped keep the loneliness away.

After the year was up, i last minute switched my course to animation. after a few weeks, i noticed people were being super nice to me, always complementing my work, wanting me to hang out etc. i realised it was because i had more skills than everyone else, other people saw me as a more desirable person, particularly girls in the class.

In the beginning, still being awkward as fuck, i ended up with a few female admirers that i had 0 attraction too, it felt really weird to be wanted for once, and it boosted my self esteem. a few months passed, i got a fellow qt artist gf, lost my v plates, have friends to hang out with and a pretty good social life, all thanks to having a year of grinding. since getting to uni, i don't draw nearly as much as i used too meaning my skills have dwindled, and i'm still very awkward, still learning, but i feel like i fit in with the world for once

[Anonymous No.3449145]

>>3448794
Funny, I did a course in animation too, but I dropped out after the first year because I just wasn't creative enough and I lacked drawing skills, it was somewhat miraculous I even got managed to get in the course, as apparently they had a strict selection process (or so I've heard).

Though I didn't get a whole lot of positive attention as I lacked a lot of skills compared to other people in the course but people were nice overall, I didn't manage to connect with anyone on a meaningful level, which I mostly blame on myself.
And then I fell out of the loop, sat at home for 2 or 3 years and then decided to learn programming as a way to get out of the NEETlife.
That went well and I decided to pick up drawing too, since I still had a desire to learn it and I thought if I can teach myself programming, surely I can teach myself to draw.

Now I have a job in webdev, it's okay but can get really tense, drawing feels like a sweet release every day, I'm really glad I at least managed to keep drawing every day for the past 18 months and I'm actually enjoying it now instead of doing it as way to get attention and appreciation from others.
Still, I'm 25 and I'm still alone and it's making me increasingly nervous with each passing year.

The worst thing is, I don't really want to wait for opportunities or wait for the moment things will go my way since I've been doing so for at least the past 7 years and it hasn't brought me anything when it comes to friends or relationships, in fact, it has made me weak.
Now I don't want to debate who is worse off, I want to make clear that I'm not sure how to get out of this isolation, I want to use drawing as a tool but I'm not sure how. Doing another course in animation just isn't feasible for me, time- and money-wise.

Anyway, good on you for getting your life on track, you seem like you have a lot of discipline too.
Sorry for blogging though, I just hope this discussion keeps going for a bit.

[Anonymous No.3449178]

>>3449145
how do you get a job in webdev if you've got the skills and no experience?

Also 25 is not that old to be alone unless you're aiming for 18 y/o pussy (might not make you feel less alone anyway actually). in that case yeah time's already run out my dude.

if femanon, please disregard.

don't disregard the first question though, asking for a friend of course.

[Anonymous No.3449187]

>>3449178
Well, first of all there's the case of autism and thus access to mental health institutions.
I ended up getting some help from someone who's job it is to help people who have trouble getting into the job-market, he helped me get an internship which allowed me to slowly get the hang of things, which in turn also allowed me some autismbux and eventually got me a contract after a 7-8 month period.

I don't make bank, I'm still learning a lot but I'm at least in more stable situation.

As for the relationship part, it's not that need the prime teen pussy, I could use some affection is all. I feel like the older I get the less likely someone will be able to relate to me thus making it more difficult.
Because I honestly don't know anyone outside the internet who's in a similar situation.
I've been looking for some drawing related activities or clubs but so far I've only seen watercolorist clubs for women past their expiration date.

[Anonymous No.3449212]

>>3449187
>I feel like the older I get the less likely someone will be able to relate to me

I don't know your situation so I'm not going to assert anything, but have you considered that the opposite might be true? People mature and have more experiences as they age, and this increases their capacity to relate to others.

>I've been looking for some drawing related activities or clubs but so far I've only seen watercolorist clubs for women past their expiration date.

I can relate to that. Maybe our only choice is to get become high status before we're too old. That's like the main reason I have the discipline to work.

[Anonymous No.3449267]

>>3449212
>have you considered that the opposite might be true?
Not really to be honest. I don't know why.
But it does sound reasonable, maybe the problem is more on my side with my limited set of experiences on the social side, will I be able to relate to others enough to form bonds?

This is why I hoped drawing would help, a mutual interest and something I actually enjoy.
Right now though the only one who really looked at my drawings is a psychiatrist and I'm not even sure what to make of praise she has given me.

Maybe I should just try to fire up some social media accounts and stick to it.

[Anonymous No.3449275]

by focusing on drawing

[Anonymous No.3449314]

>>3449267
Talk to your psychiatrist about exposure therapy. The way to combat a limited set of social experiences is to pursue them. Maybe you just have to work up to it one step at a time.

Social media is probably not a good substitute. A lot of people lack social experiences precisely because of social media.

[Anonymous No.3449344]

>>3449314
I don't see social media as a substitute, I already avoid it as much as I can (I'm on an anonymous Persian carpet appreciation forum for a reason)
But maybe a blog of some sorts would help with exposure online and maybe that can also lead to real-life contacts.

Anyway, I had talked this through a lot with the psychiatrist, the plan is that I'm going to get hooked up a to person who is supposedly going to help me to get out of my shell with a more hands-on approach instead of the endless talking about tips and tricks (which are pretty useless if you are a shutin who doesn't meet anyone to begin with)
So I'm not entirely lost just yet.

Still, I'm very interested to hear other people's experiences when it comes to art and socialization.
I also feel like my lack of human contact negatively affects my abilities, making me wonder how I should be able to make art that appeals to humans when I don't even interact with them myself how can I express emotions that I never experienced, how can I portray interaction between humans when I have none myself?
Surely not everything can be learned from references, right?

[Anonymous No.3450918]

bump

[containercore !o3a0NktvbA No.3451940]

>>3448378
I have not, but it's something that I am trying to harness.

[Anonymous No.3451961]

>>3446966
top right always makes me crack

[Anonymous No.3455156]

>>3449344
I read your post, and I just gotta say I hope things go well for you man.

I would also like to suggest maybe you can use your experiences, that is your unique take on society and such, as material for your art?

[Anonymous No.3455175]

>>3446966
Ayy, I love John Su. His LAX comics were my favorite back in the day.

[Anonymous No.3455176]

>>3455175
>LAX
PAX, I meant PAX

[Anonymous No.3456464]

Do people think it's weird if they see my sketchbook and see that most of my drawings are women, oftentimes nude.
I try to draw other things too but it's just so much fun to draw beautiful women.

[Anonymous No.3457925]

>>3455156
Thanks man.
I think things will be just fine, gotta keep my chin up if I want things to go the right way.

I could definitely incorporate some experiences into art, I've thought about it often, still it's not easy to portray feelings and experiences into still images, I haven't quite figured out a way to do it effectively.
Maybe it'll come easier as my skill increases, mind you I'm still a beginner.

[Anonymous No.3457990]

>>3447194
Search Facebook for local sketch/plein air meetups, fun way to meet other autists and do some productive drawing from life.

[Anonymous No.3458858]

By having a tulpa

[Anonymous No.3459779]

>>3458858
What good is a tulpa?
Seems like a lot of effort for something that exists only within the boundaries of your brain and thus cannot bring anything truly new.

[Anonymous No.3460031]

>>3459779
It's a form of meditation. As you know, meditation helps you focus and get better visualization skill.

[Anonymous No.3460036]

I'm engaged and met her on 4chan. Love her, but she won't grind fundies.

[Anonymous No.3460744]

>>3460031
What good is a tulpa opposed to just meditation?

[Anonymous No.3460748]

>>3460744
It's the purpose of this thread. To deal with loneliness.