/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3441078]

So how do chinese train their people in drawing? It seems that they improve a lot faster even if their turns out to be generic shit.

I'd rather take that approach instead of "mastering it in a decade", because "mastery takes time". How can you believe this shit when you see people get good in a couple of years? I want to know how chinese get better faster aside from drawing 8 hours instead of 4, because that is not the only thing that makes them better.

[Anonymous No.3441081]

>>3441078
even if their work turns out to be generic shit.*

[Anonymous No.3441084]

>>3441078
Just believe in their teacher and study. No rebelling.

[Anonymous No.3441090]

>>3441078
If you had 8 hours of meaningful study almost every day for a year with occasional tutorage from someone knows what the fuck they're talking about you'd probably git gud too.
Someone who draws 280-500 pictures a week will get better faster than someone that draws 20-50 a week.

[Anonymous No.3441095]

>>3441078

If you had 8 hours of meaningful study almost every day for a year with occasional tutorage from someone knows what the fuck they're talking about you'd probably git gud too.
Someone who draws 280-500 pictures a month will get better faster than someone that draws 20-50 a month.

[Anonymous No.3441109]

>>3441095
>Someone who draws 280-500 pictures a month will get better faster than someone that draws 20-50 a month.

Not really. 200-500 pictures a month means you never spend time to actually think about an image and try your best at it. You don't improve by doing nothing but shitty speed paintings. Especially those chinese render monkeys tend to spend a lot longer on individual pieces than most.

[Anonymous No.3441111]

>>3441078
>the thumbnail alone looks like a teenage backpack stick pin.
isn't excessive use of color gradient the cutest thing?

[Anonymous No.3441117]

>>3441109
>means you never spend time to actually think about an image
Quantity > quality. Fact.
Google pot making experiment, Mr Crabs.

[Anonymous No.3441120]

>>3441117
>Google pot making experiment
>nothing comes up
wtf?

[Anonymous No.3441122]

>>3441120
>pot making experiment

A pottery teacher split her class into two halves.
To the first half she said, “You will spend the semester studying pottery, planning, designing, and creating your perfect pot. At the end of the semester, there will be a competition to see whose pot is the best”.
To the other half she said, “You will spend your semester making lots of pots. Your grade will be based on the number of completed pots you finish. At the end of the semester, you’ll also have the opportunity to enter your best pot into a competition.”
The first half of the class threw themselves into their research, planning, and design. Then they set about creating their one, perfect pot for the competition.
The second half of the class immediately grabbed fistfulls of clay and started churning out pots. They made big ones, small ones, simple ones, and intricate ones. Their muscles ached for weeks as they gained the strength needed to throw so many pots.
At the end of class, both halves were invited to enter their most perfect pot into the competition. Once the votes were counted, all of the best pots came from the students that were tasked with quantity. The practice they gained made them significantly better potters than the planners on a quest for a single, perfect pot.

[Anonymous No.3441128]

>>3441122
The perfect pot class made one single pot?

Even I could tell you before the end of this experiment what the result would be.

There's a difference between 20 - 50 to ONE.

If I told you to study faces, then plan out and draw one single face it'd suck too.

[Anonymous No.3441131]

>>3441111
hehe isn't it cute how you almost fooled someone in thinking that you actually know what you're talking about?

[Anonymous No.3441132]

>>3441122
enter Michael Borremans.
started out as a photographer.
became a painter, one of the most important contemporary painters of our time.
says that it is important for him to have long breaks of not painting anything.
would rather produce 40 worthwhole paintings in his lifetime than throw out a thousand to make more money.

moral of the story:
practice is for learning more about materials and how you can use them.
quantity does NOT guarantee quality.
practicing how you get ideas for works is even more important than producing a lot of works.

[Anonymous No.3441133]

>>3441128
to elaborate if you however in depth studied faces and drew 20 - 50 of them you'd be a lot better than someone who just drew 300 faces i reckon, although i can admit i may be wrong, your comparison to this pot experiment is dumb.

[Anonymous No.3441134]

>>3441131
the shitty fucking reflection on the sword is one single sphere color gradient as a base. armor, typically in this digital masturbation, is done the same way: color gradient first, chisel away second. and in the end, that cheap trick is still stinking.
you're the one who has no idea.

[Anonymous No.3441136]

>>3441109
Lets say 300 pictures every 25 days (so 12 pictures a day, and you get five full days off, or thereabouts)
You're telling me 40 or so minutes a picture isn't enough of a practice? Granted if it's something you plan to finish it'll need more time but a study of something should only take so long, especially if your end goal is art for the market.
>>3441132
Quantity doesn't guarantee quality, exactly why I said meaningful study. You can draw a thousand pictures and still be garbage if you're not learning anything from it.

[Anonymous No.3441147]

>>3441109
>200-500 pictures a month means you never spend time to actually think about an image and try your best at it
thats only if your goal is to draw a certain amount
i think anon thinks that your goal should be to have as much meaningful study as possible

[Anonymous No.3441150]

>>3441122
reminds me of the story of the old wise man and the young merchant

a young merchant selling vaes and colorful paintings arrived at the edge of a town. he set up his tent and waited for people to come and look at his stuff. the first day, nobody came and he slept in his carriage. in the morning of the second day, an old man came to him. he said he wanted to see the paintings. he looked at them and said to the young merchant: "i see your paintings and they all look like polished turds!". the young merchant was puzzled and couldn't respond. the old man shook his head and threw one painting into the mud. he reached into his pocket and took out a handkerchief with beautiful frills and embroidery and showed it to the young merchant. he shoved it in his face and asked him: "does this smell like chloroform to you?". the young merchant felt dizzy and fainted. and when he woke up, all his stuff was gone. on his carriage, the old man had written in big, old letters. "NGMI"

about as applicable as yours, me thinks.

[Anonymous No.3441152]

>>3441122
reminds me of the story of the old wise man and the young merchant

a young merchant selling antiques and colorful paintings arrived at the edge of a town. he set up his tent and waited for people to come and look at his stuff. the first day, nobody came and he slept in his carriage. in the early morning of the second day, an old man came to him. he said he wanted to see the paintings. he looked at them and said to the young merchant: "i see your paintings and they all look like polished turds!". the young merchant was puzzled and couldn't respond. the old man shook his head and threw one painting into the mud. he reached into his pocket and took out a handkerchief with beautiful frills and embroidery and showed it to the young merchant. he shoved it in his face and asked him: "does this smell like chloroform to you?". the young merchant felt dizzy and fainted. and when he woke up, all his stuff was gone. on his carriage, the old man had written in big, old letters. "NGMI"

about as applicable as yours, me thinks.

[Anonymous No.3441181]

>>3441109
this is what makes me laugh.
if you took a high quantity artist and pushed them to take their time, their quality would skyrocket.
Take a "smart working" artist and push them to take their time, they'd probably burn out and produce something slightly better than average.

smart is stupid anon. get with the program.

[Anonymous No.3441191]

ITT: Baseless anecdotes and guessing

[Anonymous No.3441195]

>>3441191
if you actually practiced you would realize how paradoxical your statement is

[Anonymous No.3441196]

>>3441078
Its easy they are taught the fundementals and then when they teach them the software they all get the same tools and process so they don't have to spend time experimenting and developing a style because they are given one and only have to practice it.

If you had someone to watch you and teach you to paint exactly like them you would improve a lot faster just like them.

[Anonymous No.3441200]

>>3441181
Not really, a high quality artist has a lot of their skill down to muscle memory and it has been scientifically proven that the more you think about a particular action which you have mastered to do without thinking, the better chances you are at messing up.

More than likely the high quality artist would have already made the important strokes that make their art amazing in the normal time they are used to doing, and when given extra time they would just be adding useless details that don't really matter and have a higher chance to mess their piece up

[Anonymous No.3441212]

>>3441078
The chinks are very obedient and conscientious.

[Anonymous No.3441236]

>>3441200
did you misread "high quantity" as "high quality"?
just checking since I did too

[Anonymous No.3441240]

I'm from China AMA
I will explain this first
In China, if your teacher sees you drawing on your notebook in class you are send to a concentration camp to draw all day, it's like the american navy, we get up at 6 and draw 10 anime girls before breakfast, you earn one cereal for one draw (the first 10 ones doesn't count)
This is a plan from the government to produce a high quantity of anime tiddies and eventually win all the market for anime that is meeting its downfall

[Anonymous No.3441419]

bump

[Anonymous No.3441451]

>>3441122
This bullshit has nothing to do with quality and quantity, it's about theory vs practice. I mean PURE theory, no fucking practice AT ALL.

[Anonymous No.3441458]

>>3441111

[Anonymous No.3441513]

>>3441152
I liked this story

[Anonymous No.3441846]

>>3441152
I loved this

[Anonymous No.3441872]

>>3441240
I unironically believe you

[Anonymous No.3441873]

Chinese artists are okay, just kill the first Chines Communist to set foot in America or whatever country you are in.

[Anonymous No.3441880]

>So how do chinese train their people in drawing?

Take a wild fucking guess

[Anonymous No.3442340]

Knowledge is commonly mistaken as muscle memory to many. It isn't a mindless stroke a good artist makes that he has made a thousand times. It is pulled from their memory exactly what the stroke should look like. How that memory got there could be from learning it by watching a video or drawing it 100 times wrong then right on the 101st time and going okay, THIS is the right way to do it. You can gain knowledge through quantity but the quality of that knowledge depends on what you are doing with that time. Trust me I am a salaried professional artist at a video game company. For real.

[Anonymous No.3442341]

>>3441880

And yet here we have all these NGMI's complaining about how Loomis is a meme

[Anonymous No.3442347]

[Anonymous No.3442349]

[Anonymous No.3442353]

>>3441078
everyone does it basically same way jesus, stop looking for new ways to learn to draw and learn to draw.

here i'll write it out for you

learn some theory
draw things
copy other peoples drawings
copy other peoples methods
learn the software/medium
draw from life

do those things over and over in whatever proportion suits you best for however long it takes you,

grats, now you can draw like a chinese person.

[Anonymous No.3442355]

[Anonymous No.3442356]

[Anonymous No.3442389]

SOULLESS DISGUSTING ART. CHINESE ARE NEVER GOING TO MAKE IT

[Anonymous No.3442401]

>>3442347
>>3442349
Where is their reference? I don't see a still life being displayed or a photograph.

[Anonymous No.3442406]

>>3442401
they have it down on the floor under the easel

[Anonymous No.3442485]

>>3442355

Funny how those little kids can draw better than 90% of /IC/

[Anonymous No.3442495]

>>3442485
It's fake from North Korea

[Anonymous No.3442511]

>>3441078
>mindless copying
>hardcore fundamentals
>more mindless copying
>ignore western copyright
senior designer in China, ama
not concept artist.

[Anonymous No.3442517]

>>3442511
why would you want to ignore western copyright when japan has all the animus

[Anonymous No.3442530]

>>3442485
i think the 'better than 99%' meme is the weirdest one, it really just sounds like a way of saying 'i can't draw very well lol!' and nothing else.

like what response do you want to provoke from people reading it, do you want them to feel bad, or to think /ic/ is bad, or for them to know you're bad, or are you trying to imply you're in the 10%?

what's your deal man?

i especially want to know if it's a spontaneous real crab thought or if you know it's a meme and you're just repeating it

[Anonymous No.3442589]

Post one(1) Chinese artist with soulful artwork. One.

[Anonymous No.3442609]

https://rjartschool.com/

Ruan Jia's art school. Does anybody know the curriculum?

[Anonymous No.3442628]

>>3442589
I mean, you can deny any artwork its "soul" and no one can tell you otherwise, because you aren't providing any definition of what attributes make an artwork "soulful" to you. I personally really like Zeen Chin's art for the playfulness, the compositions, the odd contrast between creepy and cute and the surreal narrative all of his images have.

[Anonymous No.3442635]

>>3441513
>>3441846
lol cheers

[Anonymous No.3442637]

>>3442628
actually a pretty cool piece.
love the red finger tips and the soft light in general

[Anonymous No.3442646]

>>3442609
>Does anybody know the curriculum?
yeah, it's

>masturbating 40 hours a week
>not leaving the dorm room
>no social interaction
>fake leather jackets and gloves
>mumbling under your breathe whenever you need to talk to someone
>running your head into the wall
>more masturbation
>grinding fundies

[Anonymous No.3443201]

>>3442589
KJG, Krenz