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Anonymous Thu May 17 23:49:14 2018 No.3433698 [DELETED]

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Is anime just advanced symbol drawing? Did they just keep drawing until it looked good without using "fundies" or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 17 23:50:15 2018 No.3433699 why is this the third thread weve had for the same question this month theres a beginner thread for a reason

>>	Anonymous Thu May 17 23:51:40 2018 No.3433702 >>3433699 >theres a beginner thread for a reason Yeah you can keep grind boxes and not actually draw anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 17 23:53:51 2018 No.3433704 I have yet to see any japs unironically using a loomis ball.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 17 23:56:46 2018 No.3433709 >>3433704 pyw

>>	Anonymous Thu May 17 23:57:56 2018 No.3433711 >>3433698 If that's what it takes for you to understand, then yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 17 23:59:13 2018 No.3433714 >>3433702 You’ve never even clicked on the beginner thread, you dumb lying faggot. Stop parroting the box grind meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 17 23:59:18 2018 No.3433716 >>3433698 >Did they just keep drawing until it looked good Holy shit you figured out this whole thing, good job OP!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 00:04:04 2018 No.3433718 >>3433698 >>3429323 STOP

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 01:13:23 2018 No.3433770 >>3433702 >being this new yikes

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 01:14:31 2018 No.3433772 >>3433770 Badly meme'd

Anonymous Fri May 18 02:21:00 2018 No.3433817

>>3433698
Learn to draw classically first. Train silhouette as much as you can. Do that much and you'll draw better than 90% of the crabs here. You can then move on to perspective, construction and anatomy. But doing any of the later ones before you get a grip on drawing first is a bad idea. Japs have good art classes in highschool that teach classical drawing. All they need to do from there is train their eye to see silhouette, and it's really evident that most of them draw that way. Basically keys to drawing.

Anonymous Fri May 18 04:27:36 2018 No.3433898
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>>3433704
You must have missed the last thread we had on this subject then.

Also, it's called a sphere, not a "loomis ball" And contrary to what you might believe, heads in asia aren't squares or triangle shaped, the sphere is still the most logical representation of a cranium in asia as much as it is in the west.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 05:01:41 2018 No.3433918 >>3433699 It's just one guy spamming, literally

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 05:49:34 2018 No.3433938 File: 162 KB, 800x1194, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga v01 p017.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433698

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 05:50:11 2018 No.3433939 File: 205 KB, 900x1337, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga v01 p018.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433938

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 05:50:47 2018 No.3433940 File: 206 KB, 900x1335, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga v01 p019.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433939

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 05:51:23 2018 No.3433941 File: 190 KB, 900x1330, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga v01 p020.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433940

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 05:51:59 2018 No.3433942 File: 193 KB, 900x1330, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga v01 p021.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433941

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 05:52:34 2018 No.3433943 File: 174 KB, 900x1333, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga v01 p022.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433942

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 05:57:39 2018 No.3433946 >>3433698 >Is anime just advanced symbol drawing? To some anime artists it is.

Anonymous Fri May 18 06:11:49 2018 No.3433955
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>>3433938
>>3433939
>>3433940
>>3433941
>>3433942
>>3433943

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. And yes, even a monkey can draw badly drawn manga. Just like a monkey can draw badly drawn anything.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:14:19 2018 No.3433957 >>3433955 >even a monkey can draw badly drawn manga u can't

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:15:04 2018 No.3433958 >>3433955 well it's about the symbols they use in manga. mainly it's funny though. plus it's interesting that it correlates with the thing about asians being more focused on the eyes then the mouth

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:21:08 2018 No.3433960 File: 155 KB, 900x1346, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga 023.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433955

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:21:44 2018 No.3433961 File: 182 KB, 900x1305, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga 024.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433960

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:22:20 2018 No.3433962 File: 221 KB, 900x1334, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga 025.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433961

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:22:57 2018 No.3433963 File: 213 KB, 900x1308, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga 026.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433962

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:23:31 2018 No.3433964 File: 231 KB, 900x1342, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga 028.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433963

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:27:07 2018 No.3433965 File: 254 KB, 900x1340, Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga 027.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433963 oops missed a page there lol

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:54:05 2018 No.3433975 >>3433965 It doesn't really help your argument that the mangaka whose pages you are posting is significantly worse than any japanese artist who does use construction.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:55:16 2018 No.3433976 >Contour drawing >Constructionist methods tell you not to do this Who is meme'ing who?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 06:56:02 2018 No.3433978 >>3433975 he does use construction though, it says it right there.

Anonymous Fri May 18 07:06:14 2018 No.3433988

>>3433965
>>3433962
I honestly don't understand this argument. How exactly is it less time consuming to have to search through countless of manga and references or take photos of models/yourself every time you need to draw a figure? Isn't the whole point of learning to draw the human figure so you can be faster because you no longer have to search for reference for every simple pose?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 07:08:57 2018 No.3433990 >>3433976 What constructionist method tells you NOT to do it. Most drawing books recommend it as an exercise. There's some nuance here in what they tell you to do and what contour drawing actually is (vs. what beginners do). You need both.

Anonymous Fri May 18 07:09:17 2018 No.3433991

>>3433976
Who ever advocates for contour drawing other than crabs on /ic/ who can't draw? Obviously the ones who aren't memeing are the ones who can actually draw and those all use form and volume in their drawing, i.E. every professional and legit teacher out there.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 07:10:23 2018 No.3433992 >>3433990 >>3433991 Who is meme'ing who jesus christ

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 07:11:55 2018 No.3433994 >>3433988 it's a near enough is good enough kinda thing i think, plus exaggerated for comedic effect, i think the implication is actually that good mangaka don't need to construct or use references

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 07:12:31 2018 No.3433995 >>3433992 Stop asking stupid questions for fuck's sake. Listen to PROFESSIONALS and established TEACHERS. Have you ever heard any of those say "construction is a meme, don't draw through the form, use contours instead."?

Anonymous Fri May 18 07:15:22 2018 No.3433996

>>3433994
construction is something that just becomes internalized. Every mangaka sketches, none of them draw manga with direct ink to a blank page. So why wouldn't they show form in a quick sketch? Literally all construction is, is learning to draw through something to show form and perspective, nothing else. Go watch manben episodes on youtube where you can see actual mangaka work. Every single one of them uses construction. No one starts a figure with an outline.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 07:31:32 2018 No.3434002 >>3433698 How can you be so dumb? Anime is just a simplification of reality. Just like any other kind of stylization.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 07:42:04 2018 No.3434004 >>3433957 You just told him that any manga he draws automatically is good.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 09:09:19 2018 No.3434042 File: 1.25 MB, 1494x1920, 1525245938396.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3433704

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>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 09:12:39 2018 No.3434048 >>3433698 Are weebs the shittiest fanbase of this decade?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 09:13:23 2018 No.3434049 >>3434048 Remember what site you're posting on and then kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 09:31:55 2018 No.3434077 File: 78 KB, 303x191, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] From the AOT artbook

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 09:33:50 2018 No.3434078 Stylization is not symbol drawing.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 09:36:10 2018 No.3434083 >>3434077 I don't get it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 09:44:20 2018 No.3434090 >>3433698 I don't know. Is scooby doo advanced symbol drawing? What do you think OP.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 09:53:37 2018 No.3434094 File: 595 KB, 1920x1346, 001 (3).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3434083 i.e not symbol drawing. and >>3434078 and also https://youtu.be/feU9wnQXA7E?t=490 8:10 to 8:20, a case in point

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 09:55:22 2018 No.3434095 >>3433698 >Is anime just advanced symbol drawing yeah pretty much anyone who says otherwise is new

Anonymous Fri May 18 09:55:23 2018 No.3434096

>>3434077
reminds of this really great art book i had (digitally anyway) that came with some hentai game, it had a lot of wip drawings like that with the shadows indicated by colored lines and all that weird stuff they do, wish i could remember what game it was now

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 09:56:36 2018 No.3434099 File: 490 KB, 600x729, 1496604559465.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3434090 I'm pretty sure most of these pixiv hobbyist didn't learn realism first to draw this and they still draw better anime than me.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 10:00:33 2018 No.3434100 >>3433698 >AbsentAss.jpg

Anonymous Fri May 18 10:20:15 2018 No.3434114

>>3434099
Okay first, by realism, I'll assume you mean the fundamentals.

Let's say he didn't study fundamentals beforehand (though I believe he probably did at least some construction practice from the hundreds of pixiv tutorials out there).

Over the course of 8 years, this guy have made 2000 submissions and that's not counting the multiple pages inside each one of them. Taking that into account it could easily clock into 4000-16000 drawings submitted in total. And that's only counting the ones he actually submitted to pixiv. But even after all of that the person have not reach pro level and barely improved throughout.

It's basically pure and relentless brute-force

Unless you want to go through all of that and still not reach pro level, then you better study the fundamentals properly

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 10:33:06 2018 No.3434127 >>3433709 >prove your worth okay

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