/AST/ - Anime Study Thread 5

[Anonymous No.3421782]

Anime thread to rule them all edition.

This is the place for:

1. Participating in anime group studies:
>Keep it to 1-3 group references. The less the better. There is plenty to learn from any given image.
>Mindfully break down the reference in various ways instead of mindlessly copying.
>Keep your copies true to the reference but don’t overwork it. Start a new drawing.
>Make multiple copies. It should get easier each time. If not, reevaluate your methods.
2. Posting your individual anime studies:
>They should be studies drawn with a reference or tutorial.
>Provide the reference used if you can.
>Your study should be a direct copy of some aspect of the reference such as the shapes or colors.
3. Serious discussion about emulating anime style art:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Keep most of your personal works for /ALT/ or the other critique threads. Here we should be drawing copies from good references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

General Art Overview: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz_mE9a29gsEd09TemJMNTJMWGs

Recommended Reading:
Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson
>How to see, measure, and copy. Being loose and confident with your lines.
Figure Drawing for Artists: Making Every Mark Count by Steve Huston
>Simple and effective method for constructing the figure.

Drawing Form:
The Drawing Database: https://youtu.be/sOlwDL8HtT0
DrawABox: http://drawabox.com/article/construction
Sycra: https://youtu.be/tsdkhQis34U

Art Study Advice:
Anthony Jones 1: https://youtu.be/1pvZPpQxGQY
Anthony Jones 2: https://youtu.be/Rc6lWwLfzjQ
Anthony Jones 3: https://youtu.be/CRb2jgCQG88

Previous Thread: https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/3336059/#3336059

[Anonymous No.3421783]

>>3421782
cute girl!

[Anonymous No.3421785]

Anime Tutorial Sites:
https://www.pixiv.net/howto
https://sensei.pixiv.net/
https://www.palmie.jp/

Head Drawing Tutorials:
Steve Huston: https://youtu.be/2T7cDY7YDsg
http://babelab.blogspot.com/2011/11/feature-creep-constraining-face.html
Doxy 1: https://youtu.be/b69fyAZGl50
Doxy 2: https://youtu.be/asL9PxCUEiw
Doxy 3: https://youtu.be/UZvEzjYYQFE
Ahmed Aldoori Hair: https://youtu.be/-SYIPBS2F0k

Suggest some other resources that are useful for anime studies.

[Anonymous No.3421786]

>>3421782
Here is a nice image to study.

[Anonymous No.3421789]

>>3421786
Some copies I did.

[Anonymous No.3421809]

>>3421782
>implying I'll share my breakdown secrets so you losers can steal my solutions

nah nigga

[Anonymous No.3421843]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH

[Anonymous No.3421845]

>>3421843
this

[Anonymous No.3421849]

>>3421843
KEK!

[Anonymous No.3421883]

>>3421782
Fuck yeah. Can we have more threads like these in the future?

[Anonymous No.3421888]

>>3421883
The thread is gonna get deleted because jannies hate anime

[Anonymous No.3421896]

>>3421888
but 4hcan is an anime site

[Chicocalte !4Ltr1vH/Dk No.3421917]

>>3421782
dont waste your time and effort making something for /ic/

[Anonymous No.3421949]

>>3421888
I'm willing to bet that a good majority of this board ultimately wants to draw anime, and the haters are just an extremely loud vocal minority. Jannies are faggots

[Anonymous No.3421966]

>>3421785
>tfw my post is in this image

[Anonymous No.3421980]

>>3421782
can I crab?
her left arm looks off

[Anonymous No.3421993]

>>3421917
>dont waste your time and effort making something for /ic/
So you've learned.

[Anonymous No.3422022]

[Anonymous No.3422026]

>>3422022
可愛くない

[Anonymous No.3422038]

>>3422026
ヽ(●ﾟ´Д｀ﾟ●)ﾉﾟ

[Anonymous No.3422047]

>>3421883
Hopefully.

>>3421917
It's worth a shot. You and those other past OPs' efforts weren't in vain since the last thread was able to survive. I want to believe in /ic/.

>>3421980
Assuming you mean her actual left, it may be the artist showing that Cubitus valgus thing where the arm naturally bends outwards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubitus_valgus but her right upper arm seems too short though.

[Anonymous No.3422054]

>>3421782
What a gruesome composition.

[Anonymous No.3422098]

>>3421782
>>3421785
>makes anime thread
>links tutorials from westerners

Phew anon.. you need genuine nip tutorials if you want people to study anime with you

[Anonymous No.3422099]

>>3422098
Anime Tutorial Sites are right above the Head Drawing Tutorials section. Improve your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.3422109]

>>3422098
This. White people make shitty ugly anime. Japan is cute anime. White pig go home. Stay away.

[Anonymous No.3422205]

>>3422109
Pale Asian skin is closed to pink than White skin

[Anonymous No.3422250]

>>3422205

[Anonymous No.3422481]

>Animecucks get to finally make their shitty thread so they can stop shitting the whole board
>literally a single drawing posted and the thread is already dying
pfahahahah you guys truly are the cancer of /ic/

[Anonymous No.3422533]

>>3422481
we're mastering our fundies to earn the right to draw anime qts
please be patient ;_;

[Anonymous No.3422574]

>>3422250
I can't tell Asian face by nationality. Can Asian people tell them apart?

[Anonymous No.3422579]

>>3422574
not asian but i can differentiate between east asian and south asian

[Anonymous No.3422604]

>>3422579
I'm European, and I can do the same. I usually can't tell Chinese, Korean and Japanese people apart, but East-Asians and other Asians tend to look quite different.

[Anonymous No.3422720]

I tried to learn the proportions of a potato

[Anonymous No.3422779]

This is great. Here's hoping it turns into a regular thing.

[Anonymous No.3422874]

Reupping image. I noticed something was changing the head shape a bit. This is trying the Harvin potato proportions from Granblue Fantasy

[Anonymous No.3423029]

>>3422250

[Anonymous No.3423031]

>>3422720
>>3422874
Great job Anon!

[Anonymous No.3423118]

>>3423029
qts

[Anonymous No.3423204]

>>3423031
Thanks! Also I don't mean to clutter this thread. I tried to delete the first post but it said it was too old to be deleted.

[Anonymous No.3423387]

>>3422022
ちょっとかわいいと思う。

[Anonymous No.3423531]

>>3422604

Yeah thai has a pretty distinct look, it's why when you know what you're doing spotting thai traps is easy. They always look asian but not thai.

[Anonymous No.3423876]

Here is one study I did of Cagliostro also from Granblue Fantasy. The character from >>3422874 is Charlotta

[Anonymous No.3423881]

>>3422779
>those feet in the bottom left

what the fuck

[Anonymous No.3424619]

>>3422874
>>3423876
Very nice stuff. That's Hampton's method right? Just make sure you keep in mind how the different parts connect. Like it might be helpful to extend the upper leg cylinders up to the pelvis or create your own separate shape in between so that your understanding of those connecting areas isn't vague when you try to draw from imagination.

[Anonymous No.3424643]

>>3424619
Thanks. Yeah it is from Design and Invention. I started doing it recently and it is really helping me understand 3D drawing more. Also thanks for the suggestion. I will work on getting shapes for those in-between areas

[Anonymous No.3424678]

In relation to drawing real life, does anyone know of any good references of japanese people specifically? There's tons of westerners but I haven't seen many for just the japanese. I'm sure they have a bunch in stores like real action pose or hyper angle, which I have, but I'd like more if I can get them.

Here's a folder of references if anyone else wants them.
https://mega.nz/#F!BXJkjSKI!ef2mMsm1mkj2nf3amonPEA!UD5ziSpZ

[Anonymous No.3424920]

>>3423876
Is it just me or the belly is a little too long?

[Anonymous No.3424934]

>>3423876
>>3424920
Rather the ribcage is far too small/short

[Anonymous No.3424973]

>>3423876
Your observation is good because the hampton shapes make a lick of dick what you put down.

[Anonymous No.3425169]

>>3421843
>mfw i draw literally anything

[Anonymous No.3425837]

I like the idea of this thread since you have to study what you want to draw to get good at it, but I thought there'd be more people taking part.
Ref: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2815634

[Anonymous No.3425840]

>>3421782
eyyy y'all finally up and made it

proud of you, OP

[Anonymous No.3425854]

>>3425837
A fellow Anmi fan. Love it. You really nailed down the essentials of the style from the color, lighting and especially the eyes. Could tell it was Anmi just from a glance. One thing I noticed was the ear is at a different angle than the reference. The strokes in the hair should curve more to reflect hair instead of straight like how you did it. The threads are quite slow lately in general as evident by the Alt Style Thread, might be related to something?

[Anonymous No.3425861]

>>3425854
Thanks! You're right, I'll try to be more careful with my observations next time. I got pretty careless in some spots including those.

[Anonymous No.3425994]

>>3425837
>I thought there'd be more people taking part
I'm lurking and have been for a while in the many threads that got started and deleted. I'm shit though so it would be more valuable for me to focus on other areas first.

[Anonymous No.3426568]

My Japanese friend is helping me learn to draw less like a filthy gaijin

[Anonymous No.3426571]

>>3426568
how the fuck did you get a jap anime-drawing friend
and that drawing is super cute, did you do it?

[Anonymous No.3426575]

>>3426571
In the following order:
>move to Japan
>enter doujinshi event
>guy buys a copy
>hang out after
>become friends

>did you do it?
Yeah, I started with the one on the left and he gave me pointers on making it cuter and more legit looking. Each one is a different attempt after getting feedback.

[Anonymous No.3426576]

>>3426575
To elaborate a bit. The main things seem to be thickness of lines (Japanese have very thin lines while westerners tend to have much thicker lines) with added thickness in very key areas (below chin, cheek, etc).

[Anonymous No.3426587]

>>3426575
>>3426576
fuck nice, living the dream
do you have any blog? want to follow your stuff and progress

[Anonymous No.3426601]

>>3426568
nice!

[Anonymous No.3426605]

>>3426576
Speaking of line thickness, does anyone know how to adjust the line thickness in CSP?
I use the "Correct line width" option but it too god damn strong for me.

[Anonymous No.3426622]

>>3426576
I'm actually trying to figure out their method of line weight, so that's good to know. Do you have any other tips that your friend taught you on how they draw their lines?

[Anonymous No.3426654]

>>3421785
>http://babelab.blogspot.com/2011/11/feature-creep-constraining-face.html
HOLY SHIT I finally drew my first face that doesn't suck shit after 5 years of being dumb!! Thank you senpai!

[Anonymous No.3426715]

>>3426568
See they don't teach this shit in any western book

[Anonymous No.3426775]

>>3426575
Post your doujinshi

[Anonymous No.3426778]

>>3421785
So I should be copying anime/manga. I don't know why I was convinced to not do it when this is literally what the Japanese always do.

[Anonymous No.3426798]

>>3426778
>So I should be copying anime/manga
Yes, but "copying" as in learn why they draw it like that, why it work, v.v...
Not put on a new layer and start tracing.

[Anonymous No.3426823]

>>3426798
I'm not gonna trace. I suppose it's still going to be a lot of construction guesswork though.

[Anonymous No.3427414]

>>3426587
https://twitter.com/orenjipiiru

>>3426622
That's all I've got for now

>>3426775
there's a link on my twitter

[Anonymous No.3427539]

>>3427414
>orange piiru
Oh, it's you. You're really making it, my dude

[Anonymous No.3427540]

>>3427539
Well, shit, this isn't what I thought I chose to upload

[Anonymous No.3427541]

>>3427540
I caught you, tsubapedofuck. Hand over your hard drive.

[Anonymous No.3427542]

>>3427414
What race are you? I can usually tell but your's is a bit hard, good work.

[Anonymous No.3427651]

>>3425837
I kinda used this girl to study and that picture from Butterfly on your Right Shoulder. Why is everything so hard?

[Anonymous No.3427655]

>>3427651
If it wasn't hard it probably wouldn't be worth doing.

[Anonymous No.3427680]

I sometimes crop an image and try to do a study on how it was rendered.

[Anonymous No.3427681]

>>3427680
another one

[Anonymous No.3427723]

>>3427681
>>3427680
literally a waste of time

[Anonymous No.3427738]

>>3427723
no

[Anonymous No.3427746]

>>3427738
just fucking do a full study instead of bits like that. full studies are atleast more credible.

[Anonymous No.3427791]

>>3427723
>>3427746
To each their own. I only have a limited free time available so I do these type of cropped studies. The good thing is I get to understand how these artist render their artworks.

[Anonymous No.3427794]

>>3426568

So smaller heads and a body equal to the head's diameter is what I'm getting from this, am I wrong ?

[Anonymous No.3427822]

>>3421782
Are these gonna be a regular thing? I really hope so
I started with anime a few months ago after being a realism fag for a long while, I still can't figure out a proper construction for anime heads. Right now I just do an upside down egg then shape the face around that

[Anonymous No.3427827]

>>3426568
>>3426575
Share all the pointers your friend gave you please

[Anonymous No.3427832]

I CAN'T FEEL IT

[Anonymous No.3428023]

>>3427539
Thanks. Are you the guy who's studying from Range Murata? That picture reminds me a bit of his stuff. If you can, tell me where to find more because I like it.

>>3427542
white

>>3427794
>>3427827
Not sure if it's the head size necessarily. I think it mostly revolves around lines and line weight. Japanese tend to have very thin lines. I kept trying thinner lines but he would keep saying that I had to go even thinner. I eventually just went with a 1-pixel brush since you can't go thinner than that.

The g-pen is also very popular in Japan. It's what a lot of manga artists use so a lot of inspiring artists also use it. Trying to simulate the g-pen can also help.

[Anonymous No.3428162]

>>3427832
Draw a thousand 1-minute gestures.

[Anonymous No.3428165]

>>3428162
D-Dad, nooo!

[Anonymous No.3428526]

>>3427651
The way you draw eyes pisses me off more and more. Maybe because I always have your fat furry persona in mind but man.

[Anonymous No.3428573]

I don't think I'll ever understand anime chin faces. I want to die.

[Anonymous No.3428576]

>>3428573
It's easy really. Ever seen Korean Plastic Surgery? It's like that but taken to the extreme.

[Anonymous No.3428578]

>>3421782
>anime study
More like procrastination thread!

[Anonymous No.3428837]

>>3421785
>Suggest some other resources that are useful for anime studies.
sycra

[Anonymous No.3429012]

>>3422481
>>3422533
Autism

(Bump to make you faggots mad.)

[Anonymous No.3429565]

>>3427541
I'll pm you some refs later, ok

>>3428023
I just copy some of his stuff every now and then desu but I think so, yeah. I'm suzukacircuit on pixiv

Maybe the japanese are just used to thin lines because of all the mechanical pencils they use but I don't think the line width is really important for getting your anime to look like anime

[Anonymous No.3430357]

>>3421782
What ever happened to the original group? Did they die off?

[Anonymous No.3430528]

How do I draw animu eyes without reverting to drawing the same ones every time. It keeps happening.

[Anonymous No.3430536]

>>3430528
Learn to draw real eyes.

[Anonymous No.3430537]

>>3430528
>without reverting to drawing the same ones
?
I don't understand your question? Do you mean different eyes position or as in styles?

[Anonymous No.3431186]

Anyone know what book this is from?

[Anonymous No.3431202]

>>3431186
For our fellow anime connoisseurs.
http://www.animebooks.com/howtodrmabaa.html
vk
(dot)
com
(forward slas)
doc4043932_196946768?hash=fb7d9140a688b93b1c&dl=7f6073e106b1b2e969

[Anonymous No.3431205]

>>3431202
Thanks a lot.

[Anonymous No.3431231]

>>>/a/172999142
There's a neat settei dump thread happening on /a/, really good stuff for anime studies

[Anonymous No.3431395]

When starting an eye, I'm guessing left is superior?

[Anonymous No.3431398]

>>3431395
Do whatever works for you.

[Anonymous No.3431519]

>>3431395
Right

[Anonymous No.3431911]

>>3431395
What ever feel right to you, i always start with right.

[Anonymous No.3431983]

Any good resources on drawing various anime expressions?

[Anonymous No.3431987]

>>3431983
Watch anime or read manga.

[Anonymous No.3431999]

>>3431987
Sure but I'm not exactly going to find what I want fast.

[Anonymous No.3432000]

>>3431999
You will. Now that you know what to look for. Trust me.

[Anonymous No.3432203]

>>3427746
>full studies are atleast more credible.
lmao credible studies

[Anonymous No.3432218]

you guys, here's a holy grail of manga book pdf's:

https://yande.re/forum/show/20405

[Anonymous No.3432598]

I try to draw my waifu's head and somehow her face is always different.

[Anonymous No.3432628]

>>3432218
the ones i looked at are almost chris hart tier shit

[Anonymous No.3432637]

>>3432628
But they're Japanese and made by manga artists, surely they're a little better.

[Anonymous No.3433333]

>>3430357
Which original group?

[Anonymous No.3433336]

>>3433333
The ones studying LWA.

[Anonymous No.3433356]

>>3433336
It still exist. It's just slow.

https://discord.gg/3bwdfRk

[Anonymous No.3433365]

>>3433356
What are they doing now?

[Anonymous No.3433606]

>>3433365
Monthly studies copying a select group of images including: >>3421786 and a challenge going through a Pixiv Sensei clothing course.

April had a handful of submissions but this month hasn't. I need to post more to get things going but I've been out of it.

[Anonymous No.3433619]

>>3433606
That's a shame. How active is the group?

[Anonymous No.3433629]

>>3433619
Like most art groups it only gets a few posts every now and then. Having good artists that consistently post is really the only thing that keeps groups active and productive.

[Anonymous No.3433707]

>>3433629
Yeah? Is it the inspiration? What keeps the good artists going in there?

[Anonymous No.3434712]

>>3433707
>Is it the inspiration?

Pretty much. The good artist benefit from that activity too as motivation and from helping others of a similar high skill.

[Anonymous No.3435164]

>>3434712
I wish there're a good art group that i can join to get feedbacks, /ic/ is just too slow sometime and my arts sometime got ignore for some reason, it's not THAT bad.

[Anonymous No.3435450]

>>3435164
Wish granted.

[Anonymous No.3435464]

>>3435450
O-Okay?

[Anonymous No.3435652]

Are there any good artists that ever posted sketches that still had the underlying construction?
I still can't wrap my head around the heads 100%. Looking at stuff like pic related I guess they start from a ball Loomis-style but as for the rest I got no idea

[Anonymous No.3436003]

>>3435652
It's a sphere but then they just draw a flat line on top of it and add the chin

[Anonymous No.3436377]

>>3435652
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=20306
This person does it a lot. I think they're at a decent enough level to copy from, maybe not master tier though. Other than that literally just lurk pixivs sketch livestream thing and you'll find a bunch and most of the artists are pretty good about interacting with chat, you just need to have japanese that isn't complete garbage. Even if it is some might still reply.

[Anonymous No.3436378]

>>3436377
>tfw actually say stuff in chat before, but don't understand what they're replying when they talk

[Anonymous No.3436427]

>>3435652
Have a look at some filthy gaijins versus a professional japanese master.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feU9wnQXA7E

[Anonymous No.3436702]

>>3436427
Very interesting to see what the chinese cartoonists prioritize during drawing.
Thanks for the video.
Also that guy that says:
>I often draw lines without knowing what part of the body they actually are
Is really an interesting observation.
I think this is the problem of many people who try to draw anime without any proper study of anatomy.
I mean, you don't have to be super good at realistic anatomy, but an understanding of what you are doing really helps.

[Anonymous No.3436804]

>>3436377
I hate how it just looks like he uses a cross and then draws the rest of the face. Worse than draw a circle now draw the rest of the fucking owl tier.

[Anonymous No.3436839]

>>3427681
is that shinji?

[Anonymous No.3437533]

Here's some tips on eyes in 3/4 perspective.

[Anonymous No.3437549]

>>3437533
So the right eye gets slightly longer and the left eye is kinda squished, is that what I'm seeing.

[Anonymous No.3437744]

>>3436804
He really likes that character so he probably has it completely down to muscle memory. Construction is only needed to help visualise the shape or form of what you're trying to draw so if you can do that in your head then you don't really need it at all.

[Anonymous No.3437863]

>>3432203
This a not a weeb study. You make no sense.

[Anonymous No.3438356]

>>3437863
The image is a study done by a professional and shows learning through smaller studies. It makes perfect sense, "credible study" is the retarded shit that doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.3438517]

>>3437533
this is shit

[Anonymous No.3439724]

>>3437533
Thats worse than anything ive ever seen. It does not help at all. Even worse its wrong

[Anonymous No.3440330]

So I'm using SAI and I have an inquiry regarding brush settings. To get that "hand drawn" feel, should either the density or size boxes be checked? Also how high or low should the stabiliser be? Does brush in general size matter significantly?

[Anonymous No.3440438]

How do the japanese do it? Do they reference everything? Is it all imagination and they just drew like shit until it looked better?

[Anonymous No.3440440]

>>3440438
Yeah, they typically have references. Sometimes even use 3D. It's not all imagination if they're using references, so no? They do have a lot of experience drawing to make things better, but that's how drawing works.

[Anonymous No.3440442]

>>3440440
But how do they even practice that way of stylizing everything. I can't draw anime just cause I have references.

[Anonymous No.3440445]

>>3440442
Start by studying your favourite anime artists (assuming you've been practicing traditional fundies alongside), this is what the thread is about after

[Anonymous No.3440446]

>>3440445
*after all

[Anonymous No.3440447]

>>3440442
They just experiment? Usually you'll latch onto a favorite anime. Or you already know which types of anime styles you really like and copy those. It's quite simple.

[Anonymous No.3441096]

>Can draw anime head
>Can draw anime eye
>Can't put them together

Fuck me.

[Anonymous No.3441099]

>>3441096
Post an example.

[Anonymous No.3441183]

ignore the left eye , am i feeling it? no refs just eyeballing

[Anonymous No.3441804]

>>3441183
Chin too far to the right and too pointy, also chicken scratchs, use a compass to draw a circle then start building from there.

[Anonymous No.3441855]

>>3441183
Posting just because it's relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgh6Llowr1M

[Anonymous No.3441864]

>>3441855
Why haven't I thought of this, I've been trying to just imagine shit out of my brain this whole time.

[Anonymous No.3441869]

>>3441864
Imagination is a myth, there is only memory and construction.

[Anonymous No.3441898]

>>3441864
literally all Japanese kids copy or trace their favorite animes/mangas to ingrain the anime muscle memory

[Anonymous No.3441905]

>>3441864
>>3441898
So this was the secret all along.

[Anonymous No.3441907]

>>3441905
Fake it till you make it, trace until you get it

[Anonymous No.3441930]

>>3441864
>>3441898
Do you only copy anime and manga or can you copy illustrations too? Do you only copy lines or color too?

[Anonymous No.3441933]

>>3441183
good. Now draw this 20 more times and in different angles each

[Anonymous No.3441935]

>>3441930
You copy whatever contains what you want to learn.

[Anonymous No.3441938]

>>3441935
Thanks for the answer.

[Anonymous No.3441945]

>>3441938
you can copy whatever you feel ready for, or feel the need to learn. like progressively moving up the chain of line art to coloring/shading when you feel that you have a good feeling of how the pro nip artists draw. If you're just starting out I also recommend watching speedpaints/VODs of artists art process (if they exist), it helps to get a feeling how artists work through their art

[Anonymous No.3441946]

>>3441933
i been drawing a lot of these but just to try and "feel the form" since i can't grasp loomis, i hope that helps at least

>>3441864
thats actually p good

[Anonymous No.3441949]

>>3441945
Wow, more helpful advice. Thank you so much.

[Anonymous No.3442006]

>>3441945
any good speedpaints/vods you recommend

[Anonymous No.3442058]

WIP study

sauce: https://twitter.com/tourabu_neko/status/894159343146344448

[Anonymous No.3442236]

>>3441946
Hmm it seem that you got the basic down, now the problem is to polish things more.
>>3442058
Your face lines is too thick compare to the source, also you need to line the hair.

[Anonymous No.3442243]

wow i got nothing but bitched at when i posted anime studies here a year or so ago.
perhaps ppl here are starting to make some intellectual progress.

[Anonymous No.3442244]

>>3421782
Do shows use some kind of post-production filter before it gets shipped?

[Anonymous No.3442249]

>>3442243
yeah it's cool to see people being more helpful to each other, i know it's 4chan so you still get the few that just want to bitch at people, usually the none artists or people who aren't serious about improving or helping others improve but /ic/ is becoming more and more a better environment for people who are serious to actually learn

[Anonymous No.3442275]

>>3442249
To be honest, after coming here for a while on and off, it's basically a hug box compared to where it was some time ago. Also now filled with animemes and mango.
Not sure if good or bad. I guess good that crabs are few and far between, but bad because most of the compitent loomisfags are all but gone, leaving the regular crabby ones.

[Anonymous No.3442278]

>>3442236
What do you mean by 'line the hair'?

[Anonymous No.3442282]

>>3442278
>>3442236
oh nvm I get it. Yeah still need to get to that

[Anonymous No.3443372]

Study

[Anonymous No.3443467]

>>3443372
Wait the fucking minute, is that my le millenom girl?

[Anonymous No.3443967]

>>3443372
post source

[Anonymous No.3443987]

>>3421843
Based.

[Anonymous No.3444221]

>>3443967
Here it is.

[Anonymous No.3444223]

>>3443467
Indeed.

[Anonymous No.3444231]

>>3444221
She's chou kawaii.

[Anonymous No.3444625]

r8 don’t h8

[Anonymous No.3444626]

>>3444625
8/10.

[Anonymous No.3444628]

>>3421782
i can do everything anime.....but eyes always fuck me up. guys any tips?

[Anonymous No.3444630]

>>3444625
here's the ref

kinda messed up on how the left eye looks raised a bit

[Anonymous No.3444636]

>>3444628
b urself

[Anonymous No.3444643]

i...i don't fucking understand. I make a style i like and then i can't replicate it ever again. what the fuck do i do!

[Anonymous No.3444646]

>>3444643
pic

[Anonymous No.3444648]

>>3444643
>>3444646
Take exact measurements of your chins and eyes.

[Anonymous No.3444656]

>>3444648
measurements isn't the problem.

[Anonymous No.3444657]

>>3444656
an then why are you having problems brainlet

[Anonymous No.3444667]

>>3444657
i don't know man..maybe i'm a brainlet but every time i try to draw something my artstyle changes over and over when i do anime.

if i draw something one time i can never draw it again the same way or it comes out 100% different then how the first pic came out. I drew the same thing 3 times and look at the picture. you can't say its the same as first pic

[Anonymous No.3444670]

>>3444667
thats why you take measurements retard, decide how do you want to draw in what style big,large,medium eyes your choice then start constructing, rinse and repeat thats literally all

[Anonymous No.3444675]

tried to do the animes. though i feel like i fucked up a bit on the boobs and the head a bit i feel like im improving alot compared to previous attempts

[Anonymous No.3444677]

>>3444675
ref/inspiration

[Anonymous No.3444680]

>>3444675
Your proportions are off and you don't have a clear understanding of foreshortening. Good effort. I think you would benefit from either tracing the image or learning how to copy by seeing.

[Anonymous No.3444688]

>>3444675
did you even looked up at the reference

[Anonymous No.3444690]

>>3444675
are you drawing on your phone

[Anonymous No.3444693]

>>3444680
thank you lots for telling me what the exact problems are, I'll be sure to work on them.
>>3444688
i kinda wanted to cut it loose some and just test myself but i see i'm not all that ready for it.
>>3444690
no

i've only been at this for a few weeks now so i don't have high expectations on myself asides from practicing every day and working to apply important concepts from other art to mine.

[Anonymous No.3444694]

>>3444680
i'm sorry but could you actually tell me exactly what's so off about the proportions? i appreciate the time anyway

[Anonymous No.3444715]

>>3444694

[Anonymous No.3444718]

>>3444694
not him but look at this pic , the difference is day and night not because this one is better overall, but mostly because you are lacking a lot on anatomy and if you don't know that at a basic level and you try foreshortening you end just guessing , look at your pic those limbs look like sausages

[Anonymous No.3444722]

>>3444715
>>3444718
thanks

[Anonymous No.3444780]

>Everyone likes that flat style of anime
Can we please... discuss like... pic related and shit?
Maybe some Toriyama? Just something different from this stuff please.
I want to learn those things, not just you know... flat CG stuff...
I mean I know this one in particular is a little advanced, but aside from maybe some types of Toriyama stuff (which I couldn't do because Toriyama is Toriyama), I want to learn to draw things that like, have noses.

[Anonymous No.3444783]

>>3444780
Then draw it yourself? What everyone draw got to do with what you want to draw anyway? They draw what they like.

[Anonymous No.3444788]

>>3444783
I'm not... I wanted to...

Alright well I'll just delete it then since that was worse than I thought.

[Anonymous No.3444789]

Are anime heads still divided in thirds like a loomis head or whatever.

[Anonymous No.3444794]

>>3444788
Just find art that has noses or rendering like the pic you posted and show us your attempts to draw it. People here like all kinds of anime styles.

[Anonymous No.3444805]

>>3444788
We all like many different styles, it's just that most people want to draw without nose that's all. My style including nose most of the time, sometime not depend on the mood and angle.
Just draw what you like and we will give feedbacks.

[Anonymous No.3444886]

>>3444788
>...
Fucking stop holy shit. Also there is no "flat anime" professional artists always consider the curve of the face when drawing it. As for the nose, it's stylisation is up to the artist. The nose looks like shit though so it's usually made as small or subtle as possible.

[Anonymous No.3445203]

>>3444789
depends on the style

[Anonymous No.3445235]

>>3445203
Hey i remember this show!

[Anonymous No.3445437]

>Watched op's anthony jones art habbit 1 video
> talks about drawing with the elbow and shoulder and not the wrist
> is this something i should do every time i draw
>been drawing with my wrist forever
>do other famous top tier artists not draw with their wrists

[Anonymous No.3446102]

>>3445437
To be quite honest I think very few anime artists actually follow fine art teachings from what I've seen in the manben series. Wrist is dedicated to fine details.

[Anonymous No.3446190]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9BYNcsej3g&list=PLum0bqOrYCFMzUjeThuuRnbDzcMuVyK5g&index=9

I think a playlist to translated episodes of the Manben series is a great resource .
Here you get to see actual non-western mangaka draw .

[Anonymous No.3446206]

>>3446190
Something similar for illustrations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6QAMTAAFI4

[Anonymous No.3446317]

I was told you guys need content so here's a quick reference.

[Anonymous No.3446337]

>>3444625
This looks like you referenced an Akira Toriyama drawing at first glance

[Anonymous No.3446388]

>>3444677

[Anonymous No.3446401]

[Anonymous No.3446402]

[Anonymous No.3446403]

>>3421786
>>3444221
>>3444223
>>3446401
>>3446402
Studies

[Anonymous No.3446417]

Japs can seriously draw some unholy head angles holy shit.

I don't have enough fundamentals for this.

[Anonymous No.3446434]

>>3442244
It's clear that they do use effects like composting, depth of field, bloom, etc. That's generally what gives it that "animation feel". Plenty of people do those "fake anime screenshots" to mimic that look.

[Anonymous No.3446525]

>>3441869
False, your imagination uses memory and construction to make new stuff.

[Anonymous No.3446554]

>>3440330
Size and density does not contribute to the hand drawn feel. The hand drawn feel is because of the texture of the brush and the texture of the paper, eg https://beroleagle.deviantart.com/art/Paint-Tool-SAI-Pencil-Brushes-96742060 you should play with the settings

However most good textured brushes are on PS (find this good for any general purpose textures) or CSP (find this program good for brushes thick at the ends).

I have my stabiliser on at 6 on SAI and 10% smooth on PS.
>Does brush in general size matter significantly?
It only affects brush thiccness

[Anonymous No.3446682]

>>3446403
man the way you draw the heads doesn't blend well with the rest of the body , the gap between the eyes and their size make them look really uncanny

[Anonymous No.3447853]

You never notice how damn lewd a character is until you draw them. I had to redraw the breasts 3 times until they were big enough.

[Anonymous No.3448000]

>>3447853
Show us your drawing.

[Anonymous No.3448010]

>>3448000
I try to make it a rule that I don't post any of my work because it just makes me needlessly self-conscious instead of just grinding. But hopefully I can just man up.

[Anonymous No.3448018]

>>3448010
>redrawing anime
My nigger, Im actually doing it too.
Did you know about this site?
https://www.sakugabooru.com/
Good place to find references.

[Anonymous No.3448023]

>>3448018
I just have a big bookmark folder of danbooru/gelbooru pages of artists I like.
Sakugabooru will definitely be useful later down the line if I try to do animations. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.3448033]

>>3446417
What do you think you can just hop in and draw a shaft head willy nilly??
Measure the proportions of each character and get them down right before you go onto drawing.
Arararagis hair is also floating a few inches above the skull rather than laying on it.
Also make sure the top half of the skull is reserved for hair eyebrows and forehead while you leave the bottom half for eyes nose and mouth.

Dont give up!!!!

[Anonymous No.3448035]

Is redrawing better than drawing from imagination if you are practicing?

[Anonymous No.3448041]

>>3448035
You have to do both. Redrawing teaches you proportions and angles unique to the style you're learning, but recreating them is a completely separate skill. And it would be silly to try to learn a style by solely doing imagination. How would you even know what you're doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.3448050]

>>3448041
Ah thanks! I'm still new to this board and I haven't been into art classes so I don't really know the exact meaning of the terms you use here. But is drawing a character in a different angle and position counts as redrawing?

[Anonymous No.3448068]

>>3448050
No, i mean just literally the angles of the lines. When you first start out drawing you will be surprised at how exaggerated the angles of some lines are drawn. Just try and draw an exact copy and compare your product with the reference and you'll see what I mean.

[Anonymous No.3448492]

mates, can you help me find this book? I've been looking for it for quite some time and can't find it

[Anonymous No.3448496]

>>3448492
https://exhentai.org/g/1089654/e839edfa50/

[Anonymous No.3448499]

>>3448492
pretty sure that's just the h-girls book in one of the artbook mega archives. there's an oppai book and a girls book

[Anonymous No.3448879]

>>3448010
Nice taste. Try drawing really really slowly to eyeball and compare the proportions so that you can get closer to accurate the first time around. You drew her nicely though so keep it up.

[Anonymous No.3449078]

Don't make the same mistake I've been making for years. Take your time to draw. Those tutorials and speedpaints are misleading to virgin artists like me.

[Anonymous No.3449127]

First time studying/trying to draw anime. Going to have to spend time thinking about layer workflow for when I eventually want to ink/tone/color. Learned a lot just from this before my pen died. The hand is fucked because I tried drawing what I saw in the picture which looked really wrong and then I tried making my hand do the same thing and it couldn't so it's halfway between my hand and the drawing.

[Anonymous No.3449252]

>>3449078
what mistake

[Anonymous No.3449270]

>>3449252
Thinking you can do things in quick strokes. Thinking you should be able to bang out an anime head in less than 2 minutes. Thinking shading is as simple as one quick flick of the pen. I spent years drawing this way, and several more undoing it.

[Anonymous No.3449525]

>>3449270
damn you're dumb

[Anonymous No.3449973]

>>3449270
You should/shoulda watched some artists stream on niconico or something. They draw pretty slow and redo a lot

[Anonymous No.3449981]

>>3449973
Mangaka draw pretty fast though.

[Anonymous No.3450015]

>>3449981
none except junji ito apparently

according to his manben episode

[Anonymous No.3450018]

>>3421782
oh ok

[Anonymous No.3450019]

>>3450015
all except*

fugg

[Anonymous No.3450026]

Why are my dorito heads so flat, any good jap videos with them drawing heads?

[Anonymous No.3450041]

>>3450026
They're supposed to be flat.

[Anonymous No.3450047]

>>3421782
So I tried using Markers for colouring and would like some feedback on that.
And I wanted to know whether shading with a pencil still works when using markers or whether I need more markers to shade my picture with darker hues.
Source:
http://souleater.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mifune_Winter.png

[Anonymous No.3450367]

>>3450041
>They're supposed to be flat.
No they're fucking not.

[Anonymous No.3450421]

Why do japs like B lead so much.

[Anonymous No.3450425]

>>3450421
It's soft.

[Anonymous No.3450629]

>>3449525
Couldn't agree more.

>>3449973
Yeah, I didn't know this until years later and realized just how slow they are. Blew my mind, but even still today I have to remind myself to slow down or else I'm just gonna spend even longer fixing the mistakes I'd make while drawing.

[Anonymous No.3450636]

How do I place FUCKING EYES on face correctly? Especially in perspective.

[Anonymous No.3450639]

>>3450636

[Anonymous No.3450642]

>>3450639
Thank you, finally something simplified.

[Anonymous No.3451649]

>>3444715
Going to bed now. The hexagons kinda threw me off, weird seeing how much I like geometric stuff

[Anonymous No.3451657]

>>3451649
Is this the same person? This is significant improvement.

[Anonymous No.3451744]

>>3450425
Yeah but why not just use a 2B, B seems to be really common.

[Anonymous No.3451754]

>>3450636
If you're ever confused, just put glasses on the character.

[Anonymous No.3451773]

>>3451754
But I can't draw glasses in perspective either.

[Anonymous No.3451782]

>>3451773
It's literally box anon.

[Anonymous No.3451843]

>>3421843
DEH

[Anonymous No.3451861]

>>3451782
post work

[Anonymous No.3452004]

which is the best book for anime? do i really have to do loomis? it is not fun

[Anonymous No.3452006]

>>3452004
ngmi

[Anonymous No.3452018]

>>3448068
That was harder than I thought. Do you guys break it down into simple shapes or do you just draw it immediately?

[Anonymous No.3452020]

>>3452018
Reference

[Anonymous No.3452206]

>>3452018
I try to get the general idea/proportions of it first with shapes but what do I know.

[Anonymous No.3452272]

>>3452018
Your drawing has a better aesthetic than the reference.

[Anonymous No.3452299]

>>3452018
Stop copying anime.

[Anonymous No.3452725]

>>3452299
Why

[Anonymous No.3453633]

[Anonymous No.3453679]

>>3452725
dont listen to him, copy whatever you like

[Anonymous No.3453693]

I made her arms too long.

>>3452018
>>3452020
Breaking it down into simple shapes makes it easier to gauge the proportions and remember those proportions. Eventually you'll be able to see those shapes in your head and just draw the final details immediately.

Did you mean to change her proportions like that? It seems like you lost track of the overall image and only matched the details. It still looks good though.

>>3453633
Are you using construction? You should check out the links in >>3421785 . Draw a shape for the head first without the hair then add dividing lines for the center of the face and the eye line before adding the rest of the details. Also draw at least a bit bigger than the size of the bottom heads; The other heads are too small for you to draw the lines properly or put in the small details. The bottom middle head looks the best.

[Anonymous No.3453711]

>>3453693
I started using a circle for the bottom I'll go bigger next time

[Anonymous No.3453774]

>>3453633
draw from different angles goddammit

[Anonymous No.3453778]

>>3453633
Nice. Is this your best girls list?

[Anonymous No.3453850]

>>3453693
I didn't mean to change her proportions. I messed up bad at that. I think I'll try redrawing something new again.

[Anonymous No.3453887]

>>3453778
I'm going to draw cute girls from a lot of shows like 60 shows worth of heads

[Anonymous No.3454231]

what am i doing wrong?
i know i made the legs too short and will try to fix that, just trying to salvage what lesson i can out of this drawing before i move on

[Anonymous No.3454233]

>>3454231
my reference

[Anonymous No.3454430]

>>3454231
Scratchy chicken lines
You need to train yourself to do one clean strokes

[Anonymous No.3454465]

>>3454231
Your gesture is also very stiff and awkward.

[Anonymous No.3454539]

Is drawing "still life" essential for drawing animes?
And if so, what should I do if I don't have opportunity to do them?

[Anonymous No.3454550]

>>3454539
You have to risk it all in gesture battles if you win you gain experience and maybe you'll make it but if you lose you drop deeper into the crab bucket

[Anonymous No.3454557]

>>3454539
Still life are supposed to be that easy thing you can experiment and play with.
>can easily move them around to understand composition
>can easily shade them because they're simple forms

[Anonymous No.3454559]

>>3450639
Ah ok. So in Loomis from the bottom of the circle to the chin is the length of half the circle, but for this it's half of the half of the circle. Got it I'mma give it a try.

[Anonymous No.3454570]

>>3454550
>>3454557
I Just want to understand If I even have a chance without "still life".
>You have to risk it all in gesture battles
I guess this is my answer, even If I have a risk to fail.
By the way, I have a small marionette at home can I use it instead of real human?

[Anonymous No.3454575]

>>3454570
Just use pictures. Or yourself. Hell, just draw from imagination and fix it as you go.

[Anonymous No.3454587]

>>3454575
>Use pictures
But sticky says
>When you’re copying from a photograph, you’re drawing a flat representation of a flat representation. When you do a still life, you’re trying to represent a 3d space onto a flat 2D plane.
So I assume it's no good to draw from picture, or there is something else that I might be missing?

[Anonymous No.3454611]

>>3454587
Try to draw forms even when looking at a photo

[Anonymous No.3454892]

I posted some tuts in the tutorial thread you guys might find some of them helpful
>>3454660

[Anonymous No.3455136]

What's a better method for comparing a study to the reference: 1. comparing them only visually e.g. having the reference next to the study without overlaying them or 2. Occasionally putting the study on top of the reference to see discrepancies, and then moving the study off of the reference to correct them

I'm not sure if it actually matters too much, though I'd rather use the method that helps me improve more efficiently

[Anonymous No.3455137]

>>3455136
Try them all and see which one helps you more.

[Anonymous No.3455142]

>>3421843
Underrated.

[Anonymous No.3455273]

How do you draw an anime nose in a full front view.

[Anonymous No.3455274]

>>3455273
Depends on where the light is.

[Anonymous No.3455576]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgRBMrvTG3A

How do they do it

[Anonymous No.3455606]

[Anonymous No.3455635]

>>3455576
Literally a link in the video description.
http://www.yamada-kikaku.com/en/lesson-1.html

[Anonymous No.3455709]

>>3455635
That whole thing is useless

[Anonymous No.3455715]

>>3455576
It's not that hard

[Anonymous No.3455726]

>>3455606
shit

[Anonymous No.3455738]

>>3436427
After watching this I really understand now those threads on here about how the way western artists draw anime and the way actual Nip artists draw it really differs.

Or maybe its because he's a pro and actual animator and the others aren't and with time and practice this level of mastery can be achieved too? I don't know,

Also the Nips drawing looks so much like Motoko Kusanagi from GitS SAC, so beautiful.

[Anonymous No.3455744]

>>3455606
Nice. Do more.

[Anonymous No.3455795]

new thread?

[Anonymous No.3455818]

>>3455795
Wait for it to reach page 10

[Anonymous No.3455866]

[Anonymous No.3455867]

[Anonymous No.3455868]

>>3455576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_YSLCf0pM
I got you covered.

[Anonymous No.3455870]

>>3455866
I want to fug

[Anonymous No.3455873]

>>3455868
I hate this guy's videos

[Anonymous No.3455884]

>>3455867
>>3455866
why do they have code lyoko fiveheads

[Anonymous No.3455889]

>>3455866
>>3455867
This is the worst case of sameface I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.3455898]

>>3455873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4j2U861bi4

[Anonymous No.3455902]

>>3455884
Nice echoing. His foreheads here are clearly much better than they used to be.

[Anonymous No.3455907]

>>3455902
honestly they look like they have hydrocephalus

[Anonymous No.3455972]

>>3455889

[Anonymous No.3455987]

>>3455972
Go away chicken scratch and take your friend - sameface, with you.

[Anonymous No.3455990]

>>3455972
Wait I don't get it

[Anonymous No.3456577]

Hi, excuse me if this doesn't belong here (or redirect me please)
I was looking in the Sticky, /beg/, /ALT/, tutorial thread, oh god there's so many info that I don't know where to start. Help guys

>Keep it to 1-3 group references
if that mean the artist. (sasaame, try, houtengeki, I'm a perv)
I used to trace vectors, first in PS and later in Inkscape (from anime screenshot), simple things, but recently discover Krita and I curious if after a year or two (following yours books, tutorials and practice, practice, practice...) I can "create" something.

>>3448492
>>3448496
An art book "How to Draw" made by Houtengeki !? OMFG, this will be my bible. The only problem it's that I'm too retard to start with this. I need something some more basic about anatomy.

>>3436427
interesting

[Anonymous No.3456735]

>>3446317
Learn to measure, and try not to never get to close to the edge of the paper, you can draw a margin to avoid that

[Anonymous No.3456740]

>>3456577
Prove your worth by drawing something. Point if you clean it up and color it to the best of your abilities.

[Anonymous No.3456787]

>>3452004
No you don't. Japs don't use loomis to draw heads.

[Anonymous No.3456790]

>>3452004
>>3456787
There is no best book. Anime is life. Look at life. (Watch anime) You do not have to do Loomis either. You do however need to know how to draw heads. It doesn't matter what method you use as long as you can draw a head.

[Anonymous No.3456878]

When people mention copying do they mean trying to reconstruct a drawing or just literally copying contours

[Anonymous No.3456879]

>>3456878
Every kind of copy you can think of. Just copy what you see. It doesn't matter what you do as long as you can draw it.

[Anonymous No.3456938]

What did Hinoe mean by this

[Anonymous No.3457012]

[Anonymous No.3457035]

how’s the ear and eye placement?

[Anonymous No.3457070]

>>3457035
Looks like it's in the right place try gently erasing and drawing smoother lines or tracing over it I don't know what style you're going for though

[Anonymous No.3457155]

How do I get this good

[Anonymous No.3457162]

>>3457155
Draw a lot of everything in that drawing. Then attempt a drawing of that level. Also use white paint or ink as a high light on the nose and eyes.

[Anonymous No.3457229]

Any good jap artist videos that show their process of drawing traditionally?

[Anonymous No.3457309]

>>3457229
dokidoki drawing

[Anonymous No.3457312]

>>3457309
I already watched all of those. I was thinking more for like a whole illustration but on paper.

[Anonymous No.3457423]

>>3456878
Anything that allows you to easily remake the image you're copying. For most people, reconstructing with shapes gives a better result since it's easier to remember and reuse those shapes in any drawing versus trying to remember all the little details of the contour at once.

>>3456577
>I curious if after a year or two (following yours books, tutorials and practice, practice, practice...) I can "create" something.

You definitely can. Start by going through Steve Huston's book while applying his methods to copying those artists you mentioned and Houtengeki's book.

[Anonymous No.3457494]

>>3457312
You'd need to know Japanese to find the good shit. There's this, but it's digital and not for the purposes of learning.

>>3446206

[Anonymous No.3457703]

any good online book pdfs? I know the thread gives sources but I'm looking for an actual book on how to draw anime and related.

[Anonymous No.3457735]

>>3457703
https://exhentai.org/uploader/zfates05

[Anonymous No.3457754]

>>3457735
>https://exhentai.org/uploader/zfates05

oh hey thanks I thought you were gonna give me a gore link or some shit, this is probably gonna be useful.

[Anonymous No.3458401]

new thread fucking when holy shit

[Anonymous No.3458421]

>>3458401
Page ten when

[Anonymous No.3458600]

>still no new thread

[Anonymous No.3458645]

deleted?

[Anonymous No.3458647]

>>3458645
I made the new thread but I put the title in the wrong place or something so I'm just waiting to reupload it I have to put it in subject for it to be red right? I never make threads forgive me

[Anonymous No.3458654]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.3458656]

New Thread

>>3458653
>>3458653
>>3458653

[Anonymous No.3458657]

>>3458656
fuck me I thought the links would just work I could just keep trying but it's embarrassing at this point