Do Japs have secret knowledge on fundies?

[Anonymous No.3417736]

I don't think A single drawing book I've seen has talked about planning a composition abstractly before committing to a perspective grid, yet this random Japanese book covers that in two pages like it's nothing. My mind is blown, step aside Ernest R Norlin.

[Anonymous No.3417740]

Yes, it's because they don't skip the fundies.

[Anonymous No.3417741]

>>3417736
Written on that page are the secrets to actually making it. The key to your dreams is written right there, but you can't obtain it, because you don't speak Japanese.

[Anonymous No.3417776]

>>3417736
>best comics in the world
>massive book and art culture
>even middleschoolers are churning out decent kids manga
you tell me.

[Anonymous No.3417793]

>>3417736
Yes, they do in fact have an esoteric approach to drawing anime that is derived from generations upon generations of occult knowledge that is hand picked and passed down only to those who passed a secular ritual where you have to be born Asian as part of a prerequisite and in a very specific and covert celestial event which only happens once every 9 years and after that meditate for 3 days and 3 nights until you are attuned to a mental and physical vibration that is the mathematical constant otherwise known as the divine ratio "φ "

This is why you struggle with drawing anime and why westerners never mimic the style authentically.

[Anonymous No.3417814]

>>3417736
>I don't think A single drawing book I've seen has talked about planning a composition abstractly before committing to a perspective grid
eh? the importance of thumbnailing compositions before you work on them is in every drawing book.

[Anonymous No.3417829]

>>3417736
Average Japanese has better education in math and basic science, so even drop outs can start drawing with actual understanding of shapes and geometry associated with drawing. not affraid of learning pages and pages or content, nor shitting studies and training for days and days.It's a culture of dedication after all.
They are also assholes to each others, so don't expect DA's hugboxes style "communities"

[Anonymous No.3417841]

>>3417736
What is the name of this book? and is there a link to a download of it?

[Anonymous No.3417852]

>>3417841
>implying you will ever go through it and study from it

[Anonymous No.3417856]

>>3417814
This

[Anonymous No.3417885]

>>3417841
https://twitter.com/animesijyuku

[Anonymous No.3417886]

>>3417852
I'm learning Japanese and could probably decipher most of it. Even if I couldn't read it the pictures look helpful. so stfu. Do you have the book name or not?

[Anonymous No.3417900]

>>3417885
thanks. i found the book eventually https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4767823900/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_ECZ3zbRBEHGE7

now to try and find a download

[Anonymous No.3417922]

>>3417829
>Implying math and science have even remotely anything to do with creating art; what you are referring to is an adept sense for space and perspective, and this is something a rather small group of people have, regardless of race.
>Implying nips are assholes to each other, even though they are introvert, isolated and passive af (especially artists), unless it's a purely anonymous futaba environment

Phew why are you talking shit when you don't know anything anon-kun?

[Anonymous No.3417955]

>>3417829

lol when did this meme start? It's absolutely retarded

[Anonymous No.3417981]

Doesn't mater outside of traditional japanese art which of course can't survive in todays social climate japanese are mostly too soulless to produce great artists anymore.

There's a reason why almost every great artist before 1940 resided in yurop.

[Anonymous No.3418087]

>>3417736
Yes

[Anonymous No.3418090]

>>3417736
Same fundies like us. Who the fuck do you think they learned it from?

[Anonymous No.3418105]

>>3417776
You can't unironically believe this.

[Anonymous No.3418128]

>>3417736
Yes they know the most important secret knowledge of all
>Get a tutor

[Anonymous No.3418686]

>>3418105
It's not a matter of "belief" anon,these are irrefutable facts:
>Japan publishes more books per capital than any other country
>Japan has had a higher literacy rate than the west for its entire history
>Japan has more running paper comic serials than any other country
>Japan has more debut animated series in a year than any other country
>Japan makes some of the best stationary and cameras in the world
>Japan's ephemeral culture where things change with the seasons constantly drives demand for new work from creatives
>Japan has a longer arts and crafts tradition than the west that arguably only got its shit back together in the 1300s.
And this all on top of the fact that it's a relatively small archipelago country with a language no one else speaks. If you think Japan doesn't have a higher emphasis on art than the west, hey, check the facts.

And yes I am a weaboo. A classic, old gaurd, admitted weaboo who thinks japan is the best country in all the world and curses being born white. But that doesn't mean I'm wrong either.

[Anonymous No.3418693]

>>3417736
Yes, there is a difference in perception due to culture. The language itself, especially kanji/chinese characters puts a lot of focus on detail alone.

[Anonymous No.3418707]

>>3417736
i looked at your image before reading your post i was thinking 'lol it's funny how these people find some japanese version of loomis or those old preston blair books amd think they've found mystical eastern secrets'

and your post was exactly that lol

anyway shut up, even photography books do the 3 circles thing, it's literally the most basic compositional thing ever, even more basic than the rule of thirds.

[Anonymous No.3418708]

>>3418686
You disgust me. Alas it is hard to argue, what does the west have to compare? CGI movies that's only worth watching if pixar and disney made it. 2D Animation in the west is dead, while the majority of American drawings that's considered "good" or "pro tier" are pornographic illustrations, with a few who spend the rest of their talents in the game industry or making superhero comics.
I haven't seen a decent American cartoon since over the garden wall and that was 4 years ago.
Then we have "Modern Art" a cancer that any blind person can imitate by literally shitting on a canvas, while others praise it.
American schools don't even teach the fundamentals, it's just another recess.

[Anonymous No.3418710]

>>3418708
are the kelly things ironic? i would assume they were, the michelangelo, rockwell, frazetta thing seems like a gag but when people post them they seem to mainly agree unironically?

[Anonymous No.3418711]

>>3417736
There's no secret to fundies because that's what makes them fundies you fucking retard. Turn your other hemisphere on for a spell and think better.

[Anonymous No.3418715]

>>3418710
I don't even know what ironic means anymore, reading it's definition still doesn't help

[Anonymous No.3418736]

[Anonymous No.3418739]

>>3418736
What I love Korea now?!

[Anonymous No.3418793]

>>3417736
They all copy. They can barely see, but they can copy.

[Anonymous No.3418802]

>>3418105
He's right tho. I remember reading a study showing that Japanese children excel at Sequential Art compared to other ethnic groups/races.

[Anonymous No.3418863]

>>3418736
Being an animator in Japan / Korea must be the worst art related job in the world, even worse than being a mangaka. People literally die from overwork and most of them make less money than below average western freelance artists.

[Anonymous No.3418870]

>>3418863
>worse than being a mangaka
What? Mangaka is decent job. Fame + money.

[Anonymous No.3418882]

>>3418870
Your idea of that career path is that of a naive child. 99% of mangaka struggle to get published and never create any story that achieves fame, nor makes them much money.

[Anonymous No.3418888]

>>3418882
How about posting proofs of your bullshit?

[Anonymous No.3418892]

>>3418863
This was just a few seconds earlier in the interview.

[Anonymous No.3418902]

>>3418882
>99% of mangaka struggle to get published and never create any story that achieves fame, nor makes them much money.
That's true for any creative field. At any moment, roughly half of SAG card-carrying members are unemployed. Most prose authors do not make enough to cover their advances. A starting musician makes 10K a year, and those are the lucky ones.

On the flip side of that, the richest woman in Japan is a mangaka.

If a steady income and job security is what you want, then the arts in general is probably not for you.

[Anonymous No.3418933]

>>3418902
I'm just saying, despite the overall risk and hard work it takes to make it in any art industry, being an animator or mangaka in Japan is even worse. I can't think of any other art related industry where it is actually common to have people hospitalized or even die due to overworking themselves. A problem that even affects some of the 1% who DO make it big and become famous. Like Togashi, who had been hospitalized several times and permanently pissed away his health despite being a legend of Shounen Jump. Or the mangaka who did YYH, who suffered from major depression due to overworking himself and even wrote in an essay that he basically had to end his iconic manga prematurely for the sake of his own mental health.

Again, those things obviously exist in any other industry as well, I'm sure there are plenty of overworked western comic book artists, but it is not nearly as common and at the same extreme as in the animation and manga industry in Japan.

[Anonymous No.3418944]

>>3417793
Kek at replies like this. Why do you even bother if you have no argument?
Provide books that talk about what the OP mentionned to prove him wrong or dont reply.
Btw because of their manga culture there's indeed a lot of youngsters able to draw very well

[Anonymous No.3418948]

>>3418686
I agree with those facts but japan is trash
Unless you want to be a lobotomised wageslave with a beta male culture behavior

[Anonymous No.3418951]

>>3418902
>On the flip side of that, the richest woman in Japan is a mangaka.
What? No lol

[Anonymous No.3418955]

>>3418933
Post real statistic. Not 99% niwaka nonsense. Even small manga series have cult following in Japan.
>Like Togashi, who had been hospitalized several times and permanently pissed away his health despite being a legend of Shounen Jump
>Or the mangaka who did YYH
>Or
Lmao. Are you sankaku audience? Overwork in japan in common issue and it's not related to manga industry only. Actually I dare you to name 15 mangakas who suffering from overwork, poverty and depression right now.

[Anonymous No.3418956]

>>3418933
Togashi is the one who did YYH kek

[Anonymous No.3418997]

>>3418105
IKR! traditional American comics are killing it

[Anonymous No.3418998]

>>3418933
>I can't think of any other art related industry where it is actually common to have people hospitalized or even die due to overworking themselves.

Not only is overworking a general issue in Japan, I think you've missed something in your anecdotes that invalidates your own theory:
>end his iconic manga prematurely for the sake of his own mental health.

Mangaka are technically freelance writers, so they are all self-employed. They control how many hours they want to work, and how much success they want to have. One can choose to work oneself to exhaustion like Togashi, or be like the Berserk guy and turn in one chapter between every 6 month-long video game binge. But it's their own choice.

You are hearing stories about people make tremendous sacrifices in this field because it's competitive, and it is so because the potential financial rewards and self satisfaction is huge.

[Anonymous No.3419001]

>>3418708

Did the west really ever have a 2D industry? Where are all the old fucks who worked on 2D cartoons and why are they not passing down their wisdom? You have Vilppu and he just continues to rehash his manual book in video format over and over until he croaks. Is the United States a culture of withholding information from the newer generation as--oh wait boomers. Maybe that's why.

[Anonymous No.3419022]

>>3418998
>They control how many hours they want to work, and how much success they want to have.
This, if you're not working yourself to death you need to get some fucking passion

[Anonymous No.3419070]

>>3418948
>japan is trash
>Unless you want to be a lobotomised
go be a fascist somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.3419071]

>>3417922
>>Implying math and science have even remotely anything to do with creating art;
>Implying nips are assholes to each other
it's not implication, it's pure facts.

[Anonymous No.3419113]

>>3418686
The problem is that you can't apply any of those facts to what the actual topic is.
Japanese people are not destined to be better artists than most people, that's not how developing a skill works. All those facts fly right into the trash when you consider that dedication to ones own path is one of the most important aspects of their culture.
So, they draw more, way more than your average artist in the west.
However there are people in china and especially singapur who laugh at what they do because they get ever more time down and learn faster, because they dedicate themselves to learning nothing but that one thing.

Also it seems like the west is loosing it's value for art. Especially in europe art is rather seen as a hobby and not a valid career path and america is moving towards that mindset with each year, while in asian countries it is considered a valid option.
It's the same with korea and competitive video games. If you make the people feel more empowered doing stuff they will get better at it.

[Anonymous No.3419117]

>>3419113
>The problem is that you can't apply any of those facts to what the actual topic is.
literally "delete this I don't want to be wrong"

[Anonymous No.3419119]

>>3419113
>Especially in europe art is rather seen as a hobby and not a valid career
Don't ever talk about Europe ever again, retard.

[Anonymous No.3419121]

>>3419117
Not my problem if you miss what the actual subject matter is completely, if I say that america has the best guns and kids that grow up with guns, does that automatically make them better marksmen by default?

>>3419119
It is what it is.

[Anonymous No.3419134]

>>3419071
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_and_art
For info sake.

[Anonymous No.3419137]

>>3418997
>the only comics in the world besides manga are american capeshit
really shows how much of an uncultured retard you are.

>>3418686
Japan is all quantity over quality, no matter if they make 20 anime every new season if it's all stereotypated shit aimed at horny teenagers and the animation quality is getting shittier and shittier with poorly made CGI lazily used to cut corners.
>If you think Japan doesn't have a higher emphasis on art than the west, hey, check the facts
What "facts" are you talking about? The west still produces a lot of great illustrators, painters, concept artists and even comic book artists, it's just that you shitty weebs are so biased that it's almost funny, of course you don't know anything about good western artists if you spend your days on /a/ while watching your animu trash.

[Anonymous No.3419148]

>>3417736
Muroi-sensei is my hero now. Recently I've been watching his videos enthusiastically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH0G2EOKlW8

[Anonymous No.3419159]

>>3419148
He is a former animator and professional "Anime drawing teacher". This 3hrs long video is really good. I ended up watching everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3jRXj-KlwM&list=PLAZlReZyhHo-W1C-sZY8vf5YAf9bWcNrR&index=2&t=0s

[Anonymous No.3419184]

>>3418686
>And yes I am a weaboo

I wish you put this line on top of your post so I can stop reading from there.

[Anonymous No.3420577]

>>3418933
>it is actually common to have people hospitalized
How frequently does this ACTUALLY happen? Only notable examples to me are Oda, who has health issues anyway due to a terrible diet, and is a binge smoker. And Togashi who very clearly has mental problems. And both ran weekly series.

>or even die due to overworking themselves.
When has this EVER happened? I've never read a story of a mangaka overworked themselves to literal death.

Also, overworking is a commom issue in Japan regardless of their career. It's a cultural thing.

>Like Togashi, who...
Those are literally the same person. And Togashi had depression and self-esteem issues before even starting in Jump.

>I'm sure there are plenty of overworked western comic book artists
Western comic artists work less yeah, but to a pitiful degree. My current output of 30 pages a month solo is faster than any western comic artist. AND I'm doing that while juggling side jobs to stay afloat. Western comic artists divide the roles between storyboarder, penciller, and inker among different people. And their output is roughly 22 pages a month. The result, is an industry that's much more niche and stagnant, and where it's much harder to make it as there are NO publishers willing to pay you per page to make it, AND earn royalties on top of that. In Japan, the average rate is roughly $120 per page × your monthly page output + 10% on royalties for every book sold (so 50¢ a book). These numbers all go up the more popular you get. Meanwhile in the west, your average rate is $0 per page + 15% royalties (at best). Now go look at Walking Dead, and see how much they average an issue in terms of sales, and tell me if you could ever match that popularity.

[Anonymous No.3420578]

>>3420577
2/2
An output of 30 pages monthly is super comfortable. Meaning, in Japan, you're making at least $3600 monthly, JUST to create the manga. And yeah, monthly magazines are rather common, and the industry is moving online. Made in Abyss, and One Punch Man being notanle examples of popular manga that release online, and sell print tankobons.

It's not as bad as you're painting it, it's just very competitive, as there's a manga out there for pretty much every subject matter cause the industry is so large, and the industry is walled of only to people who can speak Japanese.

[Anonymous No.3420582]

>>3418686
Have you ever been to Japan?

I mean, it's a nice country, but it also has its fair share of problems.

Also, I'd never curse being white, ESPECIALLY if you're into Asian girls. We're the most desirable race on Earth. I had a great time last time I was in Tokyo.

[Anonymous No.3420583]

>>3420577
>>or even die due to overworking themselves.
>When has this EVER happened? I've never read a story of a mangaka overworked themselves to literal death.
look harder
https://nextshark.com/veteran-anime-artist-allegedly-dies-overwork-japan/

[Anonymous No.3420590]

>>3420583
That's an anime artist. Not a mangaka. Yeah, animation is an industry notorious for having people overworked and underpaid.

Mangaka have the financial means to hire assistants and delegate work if they need to. They can also work on monthly releases if they want to.

[Anonymous No.3420591]

>>3420582
>be me
>6'2 fit dude in tokyo for new years

i must have bust like 16 nuts

[Anonymous No.3420594]

>>3420591
All it takes is being tall and having a pretty face (and not being fat).

I'm 6'2" and have long hair and a rugged beard. I was turning heads left and right. There was also this festival in Yokohama, and there was a few cute girls who'd make eye contact with me, and smile and wave, wanting me to come talk to them. People in general were very friendly too. I definitely wanna go back, and wouldn't mind living there short term.

[Anonymous No.3420597]

>>3420594
yeah, I'm going back for christmas and new years again for like a month, drinking and food is so much cheaper than in australia so i loved it. drinking with cute jap girls till 4am in karaoke bars was the height of 2017.

I'm just a skinhead powerlifter cunt so im not even skinny, but the noises they made when i flexed my bi's mad me melt inside

[Anonymous No.3420600]

hah, incels of /r9k/ are fuming. LOL

[Anonymous No.3420604]

>>3420597
Oh, I know man. Tell me about it. It's like achieving rock star status over there. Even all the Jap dudes wanna hang out with you and be your friend, cause they know all the Jap girls will be drawn to you just cause you're good-looking and white. You get invited to all sorts of parties and hangouts and stuff. It was the best.

[Anonymous No.3420620]

>>3418998
>They control how many hours they want to work, and how much success they want to have.
This, mangaka can control the amount of work more than people think.
Monthly or weekly if you want to die overworking.

[Anonymous No.3420632]

>>3420582
>Roastie that care only about her apperance
>Her type is all about apperance
This remind me of a quote from a manga about this that said people like this are absolutely empty inside and boring as fuck to talk with because they only live for apperance..

[Anonymous No.3420638]

>>3420632
What else do you want from a woman outside of being submissive and good breeding material?

[Anonymous No.3420668]

>>3418997
>implying this throwaway cover of a 3rd tier Marvel series isn't unironically better than a large majority of manga art

Weebs are fucking delusional
Comic art has shat on manga for years and every weeb brings up Miura and that dude who draws Vagabond when they're clearly really obvious exceptions to the rule. Japan may have generally higher standards for artists but American comics have always had higher standards than manga, at least when it comes to art.

[Anonymous No.3420669]

>>3417736
>yet this random Japanese book covers that in two pages like it's nothing

yeah sure except we can't fucking read it you fucking tosser

[Anonymous No.3420677]

>>3420668
Japs have a betters sense of aesthetic than Americans, and they aren't plagued by SJWs.

So I disagree.

And no, don't bring up Eurocomics, those are their own thing, and blend a lot of the strength you see in manga.

[Anonymous No.3420707]

>>3420668
>American comics have always had higher standards than manga, at least when it comes to art.

[Anonymous No.3420720]

>>3420668

[Anonymous No.3420723]

>>3420668
>American comics have always had higher standards than manga
>standards

[Anonymous No.3420771]

>>3420577

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a_vptJ-PTI

Here is an interview of Felipe Smith (creator of Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider,) who won a contest to create manga in japan licensed by kodansha. According to the wikipedia article for the manga, he had to submit 40 pages in two days, so yeah manga artists have it rough and its not something you wouldnt want to do unless you were willing to literally devote all your time solely to it.

[Anonymous No.3420775]

>>3420723
Wow epic argument anon, are you going to post a Liefeld drawing next or something that's equally unanimously shat on as pic related?

[Anonymous No.3420781]

>>3420771
>he had to submit 40 pages in two days
>his manga was a monthly release
Bullshit. Also, in his interview he said he was often told to redraw a lot of stuff. Looking at his art, I can see why. 40 pages in two days is LITERALLY impossible.

[Anonymous No.3420782]

>>3420771
Wtf that's bullying-tier. It's like they didn't want him in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3420798]

>>3420707
>>3420720
>>3420723

Alright, here are two spreads picked at random from searching 'manga page spread' and 'comic page spread', both are by artists who to my knowledge aren't exceptionally revered and both are pretty standard for both their individual industries. And the one on the right is exponentially fucking better.

Once again, weebs are fucking delusional.

[Anonymous No.3420836]

>>3420771
What about all the other westerners who are getting published in Japan.

Felipe was a fringe case who just had a bad experience.

https://youtu.be/k1TmEEMfKuQ

https://youtu.be/Sk3aPFznHLI

[Anonymous No.3420841]

>>3420798
My god you're a fucking idiot. First of all, you aren't comparing 2 random pages, you are comparing a random manga page to a tentpole DC Batman comic, which happened to be one of those random search engine results. Obviously you'd expect there to be a higher level of quality from artists who work on DC's most prized IP than from some random mangaka.

Secondly, western comic book art tends to look more impressive to beginners because of the realistic (often traced) faces and human anatomy. Where manga excells at is design, composition, panel flow, speed lines/inking techniques, overall dynamics and action scenes etc.

[Anonymous No.3420843]

>>3419001
You see a few good books like the Famous Artists Courses back in the 50s. Around that time, flat modern style cartoons were the fad so newer artists thought the style meant there were no rules to be a cartoonist so they wallowed in being Dunning Krugers. They never learned anything from the artists before them and those old artists eventually died and we lost their knowledge forever. Just another thing you can blame boomers on.

[Anonymous No.3420851]

>>3420798

Why do most Western comic books have such stupid facial expressions?

Look at Batman, his tongue is floating in the middle of his mouth cavity. Try this in front of the mirror and see how stupid you look. Is he shouting at the top of his lungs from surprise?

'Oh no I'm transforming'
'AARRRGGGGHGHGHHGHGHGH'

[Anonymous No.3420862]

I don't think the Japanese or any other specific people are talented by nature. It's all about cultural difference. Japan just chose 2D art as their favorite entertainment, so that they developed a huge market and many people joined the competition. US chose live action over 2D art. That's why it has the world biggest movie and TV drama market.

[Anonymous No.3420934]

>>3419070
Not him, it's not fascist to think the western tradition of respecting individuality is superior to a culture that treats its people as expendable to the degree that they literally work themselves to death for ????

[Anonymous No.3420951]

>>3420798
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.3420956]

>>3420798
>One with realistic western style
>One with traditional anime style(Negima run for 10+ years now)
>Hur dur west is clearly better
Do you even draw? Also
>both are by artists who to my knowledge aren't exceptionally revered

[Anonymous No.3420963]

>>3420934
>I am the respectful person this is why any difference must be eradicated under my holy words
Nah, I stay my point.

[Anonymous No.3420975]

>>3420582
>I mean, it's a nice country, but it also has its fair share of problems.
I don't think anyone said Japan was perfect.

>>3420582
>>3420591
>>3420594
>>3420597
>>3420604
/ic/ is not your blog

[Anonymous No.3420977]

>>3420934
Rampant individualism leads to narcicism and a fruitless pursuit of happiness for happiness sake. It foresakes the need of a purposes, and leaves people to fill that void with whatever they can fill it with. That then leads to Nihilism, and deconstructionism as people begin to deny the very foundations if their society as an explanation for their unquenchable unhappiness. When ironically, all they truly lack for a fulfulling life is purpose.

Is it any wonder the west is plagued by nihilism and post modernist thought, which destroying the very foundations of our culture from the inside?

Collectivism places the society over the individual, and gives everyone a role to play in their lives. They're a piece of the system, and this gives meaning to their lives as they fit in with the whole, and wre given a purpose which is often fulfulling enough. Most people are too stupid to think for themselves, and if you leave those people as masters of their own destiny, they'll become immeasurably happy, and in turn blame the world around them for their own misery. This also happens when the system FAILS people and they fall out of it. However, you're less likely to blame the world if you're not consumed by individualism and this NEED to be "unique" in the same way everyone is unique.

Uniqueness comes from intense self-reflection. Something most people are too egotistical and self-absorbed to do.

Japan's system, while imperfect, has been successful in staving off the post-modernist/Marxist plague that's been raging across the west, abd has managed to preserve its traditions, because Marxism feeds off an individualist victim complex. Something very hard to do, when people place their culture and society above their own individual needs.

[Anonymous No.3421001]

>>3418888
Read “Manga Poverty” by Shuto Sato, or read the english version of his blog. His manga are critically acclaimed but he was in debt for years from the amount of money it cost to be published, and he was initially disowned from his family for wanting to be a mangaka.

[Anonymous No.3421004]

>>3420975
>blog
More like things that never happened

[Anonymous No.3421100]

>>3417736
>/ic/ refs people scott robertson
>/ic/ calls scott retarded
>"japs have the secret"

no offense op

[Anonymous No.3421120]

>>3420638
Honesty, integrity, warmth, compassion, a desire to work together with me so we can improve each others lives, a willingness to rely on me which is different from wanting to use me, love, rather than a shallow desire to have a partner who embodies the archetype of what she thinks a perfect man ought to be.
Obviously I'm aware that a 'real' relationship is a naive thing to hope for, though I try to give all of these to people I care about to the best of my ability.

[Anonymous No.3421125]

>>3421001
>he was in debt for years from the amount of money it cost to be published

He was not in debt for publishing. He was in debt for hiring more assistants than he should have and renting a space when sensible amateurs bunk together. That's his own problem as a small business.

This is what it takes to be an independent artist/studio. This is the norm everywhere. The average book advance in the US is $5000. That's all you get to live on until the book gets published and royalties start coming in.

[Anonymous No.3421180]

>>3421120
>Honesty, integrity, warmth, compassion, a desire to work together with me so we can improve each others lives, a willingness to rely on me which is different from wanting to use me, love, rather than a shallow desire to have a partner who embodies the archetype of what she thinks a perfect man ought to be.
Oh sweet child of Summer, it's like you don't understand women at all. Women are very opportunistic, and their love only lasts as long as their hypergamy allows it to. If a woman is ever your "equal" in a relationship, she will either leave you or cheat on you for the more dominant and attractive male to cross her path, and she'll resent you for it too.

The only time a woman's love is ever unconditional is to her child, never to her man. This is biological.

>Obviously I'm aware that a 'real' relationship is a naive thing to hope for, though I try to give all of these to people I care about to the best of my ability.
Good on you for still being a good person. But it's foolish to assume that the female psyche is the same as the male psyche. Especially in these times, where hypergamy is allowed to run rampant. Women are allowed to have their cake and eat it, and be unashamed of their behavior to boot. Truly dark times.

[Anonymous No.3421216]

>>3421180
If you can't establish that kind of relationship there's no real point in dating women other than out of a sense of social propriety and wanting to prove to yourself that you are desirable, or possibly because you're a materialist retard and you think passing on your genes is an important factor in whether or not your life was successful. Why should you spend a good chunk of your time wooing opportunistic, hypergamous (wo)manchildren without and semblance of self-awareness when you could be pursuing something meaningful instead?
Organizing your entire life around getting laid is a terrible idea. Just focus on straightening out your own life, forming productive relationships where you can and talking to the women you meet along the way to try and get to know them before you decide whether or not they're worth pursuing (read: interested in and capable of maintaining a long-term relationship).

[Anonymous No.3421217]

>>3421180

If you can't establish that kind of relationship there's no real point in dating women other than out of a sense of social propriety and wanting to prove to yourself that you are desirable, or possibly because you're a materialist retard and you think passing on your genes is an important factor in whether or not your life was successful. Why should you spend a good chunk of your time wooing opportunistic, hypergamous (wo)manchildren without any semblance of self-awareness, when you could be pursuing something meaningful instead?

Organizing your life around getting laid is a terrible idea. Just focus on straightening out your own life, forming productive relationships where you can and talking to the women you meet along the way to try and get to know them before you decide whether or not they're worth pursuing (read: interested in and capable of maintaining a long-term relationship).

[Anonymous No.3421226]

>>3421180
>women leave men when someone better comes along
>men are unerringly faithful and never leave when someone better comes along, or even when someone worse comes along while they’re bored, drunk, or on vacation

[Anonymous No.3421234]

>>3421226
Not that guy, but women initiate 70% of all divorces.

[Anonymous No.3421244]

>>3421180
t. incel

[Anonymous No.3421317]

>>3421217
The only reason to date women, is to form a family, and have children who will pass on your genes to the next generation. Thus, you have to be very clever about the women you let into your life.

You will never find a woman who will love you like you wanna be loved, simply because that's beyond the capacity of what women are able to do, especially in today's time thanks to women's lib. Thus, the smartest thing to do, is have standards for women based on the following, very simply criteria:

"Will this woman make a good mother for my children."

Simple as, this removes all the crazies, and the sluts, and the overly needy, etc...

So like I said, all you want is really submissive, and good breeding material. Reason looks matter is cause this is often a good determinant of fertility and the quality of her genes. Mental illness is also genetic, so you should also avoid those. Submissive, means (provided you're not a total beta), you'll remain the dominant side of the relationship, and you'll more easily be able to control her and her impulses. Which means less likelihood of a failure/divorse.

>>3421226
Yes in fact. Because men have a higher capacity for responsibility, and sacrificing the present for the future. Modern women have been liberated to the point they're no longer encouraged to be responsible.

This doesn't mean "never marry" or "just give up" it means, be smart who you let into your life, and to do so, you need to acknowledge most women you'll meet won't make worthwhile partners.

>>3421244
Actually, no. Quite the contrary. Just red-pilled.

This is coming from someone who's dated dozens of women, and has run into hundreds of sluts.

The only way to fix these problems is for men, especially the alpha males (I know there are none in here), is to start holding women accountable again, and most of all, start slut shaming again.
Fact of the matter is though, 90% of the women in Anglo countries are too far good to be good mothers.

[Anonymous No.3421319]

>>3421317
>too far good
too far gone*

[Anonymous No.3421336]

>>3421317
Get help you absolute retard.

[Anonymous No.3421339]

>>3421336
t. roastie

[Anonymous No.3421794]

>>3421317
'redpilled' is codeword for 'i read some bias confirming shit online and now repeat it like it is the gospel (even though ti just makes me look like a retard)' in 100% of its uses

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[Anonymous No.3422314]

>>3421794
>bias
Whatever helps you sleep at night man. Redpilled has been a term since forever, and has always been focused on intersexual dynamics.

It's not even me telling you I'm superior to others. I've just had a lot of experiences and have learned from those experiences. The more interact with women, the less you put them on pedestals, and the more your just take things at face value, rather than holding onto some fantasy that's been drilled into your head through years of films and mainstream media.

Live however you want to live, but if you live making women a priority in your life, or a goal/objective to be attained, I guarantee you WILL be miserable.

[Anonymous No.3422317]

>>3421317
Haha MGTOW am I right fellow gentlemen? While you're at it, support my patreon, donate so I can a beer, subscribe for that ytube payout, and make sure to visit my website to read more articles and buy my shit and my affiliates shit on how women are the plague of society so I can make a living sitting home blapping in a camera while you still suck at art.

[Anonymous No.3422320]

>>3421794
No, you're thinking about the media.

[Anonymous No.3422337]

>>3421317
>hundreds of examples of good, fulfilling relationships all around you every day

>"Nuh-uh those men are cucks. Gotta treat her like shit and look at her like she's your enemy. That's how you'll eventually end up in a good relationship"

Shut the fuck up reddit retard.

[Anonymous No.3422344]

>>3419137
>Japan is all quantity over quality, no matter if they make 20 anime every new season if it's all stereotypated shit aimed at horny teenagers and the animation quality is getting shittier and shittier with poorly made CGI lazily used to cut corners.
really shows how much of an uncultured retard you are.
Yes I just BTFO'ed you with your own sentence. Cope.

[Anonymous No.3422347]

How did this thread go from people talking about what a hellhole the japanese manga and animation industries are to women and divorce rates?

[Anonymous No.3422366]

>>3421100
You'd be surprised how bias weebs are.
Anything with japanese characters turns resources from a 2/10 into a 11/10 in their eyes.

[Anonymous No.3422370]

>>3422337
They're men who married virtuous women. Men with standards and a purpose in life. Not men who desperately sought the approval of a woman, and settled for the first hoe to get tired of riding the cock carousel.

Nice literal strawman btw.

[Anonymous No.3423194]

>>3418997
YASSS QUEEN

[Anonymous No.3423281]

>>3421100
Does Scott Robertson do this? Every step by step thing I've seen of his already has a perspective grid by step 1.