Drawing anime = literal loomis

[Anonymous No.3397160]

[Anonymous No.3397165]

>>3397160
ooh it doubles as a smug

[Anonymous No.3397169]

>>3397160
pls link book

[Anonymous No.3397170]

>draw a sphere and a box to construct and give volume to your character
>make it flat anyways
anime in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.3397171]

C U T E

[Anonymous No.3397172]

I will learn how to draw like this

[Anonymous No.3397176]

>>3397170
>>3397170
that's what Loomis posters don't understand, anime heads are mostly symbol drawing with a good sense of aesthetic, but not necessarily accurate to 3D forms

Do you guys think any Japanese child can draw an okay-ish face with a few strokes but most western artists can't get a head from imagination right (as in, looking actually similar to anime instead of just an aberration) even with guidelines because the Japs have superior genes or something? No, it's because you're coming from the false premise that the anime face isn't a fucking mask.

[Anonymous No.3397181]

>>3397176
I sort of like that about the anime style in a sense because I think that the human brain is a lot more forgiving with regards to faces due to paredoilia

[Anonymous No.3397275]

>>3397176
Bullshit, once you understand 3D forms and volumes even your anime shit will greatly improve.

>most western artists can't get a head from imagination right (as in, looking actually similar to anime instead of just an aberration)
It's more like the good ones don't bother with your anime shit you dweeb.

[Anonymous No.3397281]

>>3397176
You're wrong. OP's image literally didn't even follow his own construction lines, which is why it looks bad.

[Anonymous No.3397282]

>>3397160
Kek. General form of the heas is easy. Cute features are what's important and that's difficult.

[Anonymous No.3397283]

>>3397160
Last time I checked, Loomis didn't use a square grid to get his face proportions.

[Anonymous No.3397295]

>>3397160
That construction is literally /beg/ tier. It's amazing to me how unskilled "how 2 manga" book authors are. I guess weebs don't really have any standards.

[Anonymous No.3397298]

>>3397160
"How to draw anime head in 5 easy steps!" will always look like absolute garbage.

[Anonymous No.3397299]

>>3397295
redline it bro

[Anonymous No.3397300]

[Anonymous No.3397302]

How do I draw like Kaos-sensei?

[Anonymous No.3397303]

>>3397160
step 4 lol, is the japanese 'then basically ignore the grid and draw the features on a flat plane'

[Anonymous No.3397309]

>>3397303
at that point you should be able to visualize the grid. if you can't then you need to go back to basics and grind more

[Anonymous No.3397315]

>>3397309
so you should visualize the grid so you can ignore it, very zen.

[Anonymous No.3397317]

>>3397299
Not him but see image.
>>3397309
Not at all what he said. Reading comprehension please.

[Anonymous No.3397322]

>>3397160
top tier waifu material

[Anonymous No.3397324]

>>3397317
I think I figured out why /ic/ will never be good.
It's full of narcissistic people who know nothing about art, but try very hard to.

[Anonymous No.3397327]

Are you learning to draw you're waifu, anons?
How long you've been drawing?

[Anonymous No.3397330]

>>3397327
Why does it even matter?
Just draw.

[Anonymous No.3397343]

>>3397324
nah it's your extreme dunning kruger, because you can't see these obvious defects you think people are talking shit. they are being nitpicky, but they're usually not wrong.

[Anonymous No.3397360]

>>3397343
I've genuinely never seen a professional artist that does an completely accurate construction.
If you follow the /ic/ mentality, you'll never get any work done because you'll waste time focusing on details that aren't even in the final work.
Among other retarded ideas.

[Anonymous No.3397362]

>>3397343
Arguably, being nitpicky about a rough structure for a drawing that turned out good not being perfect is the definition of being wrong.

[Anonymous No.3397368]

>>3397362
Which is why I think he, and others are narcissistic.
There's a certain pathetic pretentiousness in thinking these details matter.

[Anonymous No.3397379]

>>3397283
huh, check that out, anon is wrong

[Anonymous No.3397420]

>>3397160

[Anonymous No.3397422]

>>3397420
Your point?

[Anonymous No.3397423]

>>3397420
I want to draw like this

[Anonymous No.3397425]

>>3397420
Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.3397433]

>>3397420
whoa I like her pussy render

[Anonymous No.3397436]

>>3397422
>>3397420
Anime uses roughly the same methods that western art uses, and is just as legitimate as an art form.
It's only a pretentious attitude that prevents people from seeing this.

[Anonymous No.3397437]

>>3397420
by the same artist.. how is this even allowed

[Anonymous No.3397445]

>>3397160
He just had to skip hot to draw the eyes.

[Anonymous No.3397448]

>>3397437
Drawing everything is legal.
Even if it's nude children.

[Anonymous No.3397450]

>>3397437
nips aren't human..

[Anonymous No.3397466]

>>3397450
This is my endgoal.

[Anonymous No.3397468]

>>3397436

[Anonymous No.3397471]

>>3397437
>>3397420
Jelly as fuck. Makes my blood boil in envy.

[Anonymous No.3397472]

>>3397468

[Anonymous No.3397477]

>>3397468
this is actually pretty, like it

[Anonymous No.3397478]

>>3397437
this is actually pretty, like it

[Anonymous No.3397480]

>>3397472

[Anonymous No.3397483]

>>3397480
gay

[Anonymous No.3397508]

>>3397480
it's kinda pretty, hm maybe it works if you tie both ends together, like a roll.

[Anonymous No.3397537]

>>3397436
The only ones not understanding that are the shitty weebs:
>Nu I don't want to learn anatomy and how to draw shitty realistic men, I want to draw superior ANIME!

[Anonymous No.3397545]

>>3397537
You're actually retarded.
Please stop.

[Anonymous No.3397557]

So how do I draw an anime face

[Anonymous No.3397575]

>>3397557
you have to use THAT

[Anonymous No.3397579]

>>3397275
if they could they would because anime is superior

[Anonymous No.3397600]

>>3397537
>I want to stylize
>But I don't want to stylize, I want to draw Loomis 1:1 and my art to be stylized anyway
>Why doesn't this work reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
/ic/ is literally mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.3397601]

Loomis obviously doesn't work with anime, so how do I draw it. Strictly talking about the face here, the body can obviously be learned from all the usual suggestions.

[Anonymous No.3397664]

>>3397601
Loomis works with anime. He always noted that you could modify the method for stylization. He even drew “mongoloids” and “negroids” as an example

[Anonymous No.3397782]

>>3397664
Then why can't any of the Loomis cultists here stylize?
You need to study stylization independently.

[Anonymous No.3397975]

you're all like little babies.

WATCH THIS

[Anonymous No.3397981]

>>3397975
N-NANI???

[Anonymous No.3397983]

>>3397975
Shit just got real

[Anonymous No.3398067]

>>3397975
But how do I know how long to make that line going down.

[Anonymous No.3398072]

>>3397975
how does that traingle construction of the bridge works? wtf

[Anonymous No.3398079]

>>3398067
>But how do I know how long to make that line going down.
the distance from the chin to the nose is the same as the one from the nose to the browline and the browline to the hairline, the face is basically divided into perfect 3rds

[Anonymous No.3398084]

>>3398079
But I don't want to draw a realistic face. Anime gook eyes are like half the face.

[Anonymous No.3398099]

>>3397537
Sounds like people baiting

[Anonymous No.3398100]

>>3397448
>Drawing everything is legal.
Why don't you head over to Canada and test that theory?

[Anonymous No.3398103]

>>3397975
Except that "sphere" in step 2 is an impossible shape.

You could literally just learn loomis or hampton instead of this 1 2 3 anime crap.

[Anonymous No.3398104]

>>3398084
Guess you should study the anatomy of anime faces, then.

[Anonymous No.3398134]

>>3397545
>>3397600
How is he wrong? Shitters who think they're above learning the fundamentals can fuck right off.

[Anonymous No.3398136]

>>3398084
>But I don't want to draw a realistic face. Anime gook eyes are like half the face.
they are still placed in the middle of the face, look at this https://d3ieicw58ybon5.cloudfront.net/full/u/f59a9434b34c4b7bb3cfafc6c43c0f3c.jpg
the distance from chin to nose=nose to top of eyes, anime just adds fuckhuge eyes and makes the eyebrows really high up

[Anonymous No.3398173]

>>3397782
probably because plenty of /ic/ is retards that practice the exact same fundamentals over and over again, never drawing what they actually want to see, eternally waiting for the magic moment when they get imbued with the power to draw in arbitrary style

[Anonymous No.3398314]

>>3397160
>>3397975
Translation where?

[Anonymous No.3398320]

>>3397317
ngmi

[Anonymous No.3398330]

>>3397360
but it's a how to guide. and the final drawing has no relation to the working out. the drawing is also bad. it's a failure on every level. because you're too stupid to understand foreshortening or see past the anime eyes doesn't mean everyone else should keep their mouths shut about it sucking dick.

[Anonymous No.3398345]

>>3398103
>You could literally just learn loomis or hampton instead of this 1 2 3 anime crap.

Are you an idiot? The whole point is that this IS Loomis and anime artists don't use some super secret eastern drawing techniques that western weebs just can't get a hold of.

[Anonymous No.3398398]

>>3398330
>foreshortening

[Anonymous No.3398427]

>>3398398
you not even knowing the names of fundamental parts of drawing certainly fills me with confidence in your artistic ability

[Anonymous No.3398452]

>>3398072
The triangle goes basically from the space between the eyes on the eyeline to a point on the noseridge slightly above the nosetip.

[Anonymous No.3398457]

>>3397975
Yeah but how do I draw more stylized heads like pic related?

They don't all conform to symmetry

[Anonymous No.3398474]

>>3398457
copy artists that you like

[Anonymous No.3398485]

>>3398457
Is this the same artist that did the kino no tabi art?

[Anonymous No.3398499]

>>3398485
Not sure, but the KnT author is the same guy who wrote SAO Alternative, so it might well be the same artist too.

[Anonymous No.3398614]

>>3398457
In that kind of style and pose, the positioning of the eyes is the trickiest part.
You have to experiment on the distance unless it would look like a typical beginner deviantart drawing.

[Anonymous No.3398653]

>>3398103
spheres are impossible shapes everybody
everything you learned is wrong pack it up time to go home

[Anonymous No.3398726]

>>3397975
ugly

[Anonymous No.3398746]

>>3397975
Literally looks like that fake anime Overwatch concept art style.

[Anonymous No.3398796]

>>3397176
That may be true for moeblob shit, but you can't deny that some stuff like pic related is pretty much anatomically correct, sans some stylisation.

[Anonymous No.3398797]

>>3398103
>drawing a tangent line to a sphere is an impossible shape

[Anonymous No.3398801]

>>3398457
Except they do.

[Anonymous No.3398806]

>>3398801
cute!

[Anonymous No.3398933]

I lost sight of who I was going to respond to, and I'm not going to read the comments again, so I'll leave this out here.

I think these schemes are better, they have a realistic basis only that they vary a little. The idea is to play with it and modify it without it being seen deformed; what can be, but the idea is that it doesn't look bad.

[Anonymous No.3398935]

>>3398933

[Anonymous No.3398936]

>>3398801
based on your shitty redline, they literally do not

[Anonymous No.3398938]

>>3397160
Go from step 2 to step 4, this is the sense of this exemple.
All grinds in step 3 is only to you "visualize" the volumes and the correct position of all elements. No one need draw this grid.
It is not flat because eyes, nose and ear respect perspective rules.

[Anonymous No.3399083]

>Japanese Manga Masters

[Anonymous No.3399242]

>>3398801
try a little harder next time you try to prove a point.

[Anonymous No.3399246]

>>3399242

[Anonymous No.3399327]

>>3398933

The most useful thing about this IMO is to show just how much volume they give the hair.

[Anonymous No.3399561]

>>3398933
>>3398935
what's the source on these if you don't mind me asking

[Anonymous No.3399572]

>>3398933
quite useful, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.3399634]

>>3399561
> 日本漫画大师讲座1,林晃和角丸圆讲美少女画法

It's in the file name.
https://www.amazon.cn/dp/B003YJEDA2
I just pasted the text in google and found it.
I then looked at the author name and translated the book name to english with a simple google search.

I then found this thread that has books by "go office" and it's in there. https://yande.re/forum/show/20405?page=1

Why can't you google? It took me 1 minute.

[Anonymous No.3399694]

>>3398173
Duh, don't you know if you grind Loomis enough times you will suddenly know how to draw all the styles in the world?
You don't have to study stylization and design on themselves, only Loomis and nothing else.

[Anonymous No.3400713]

>>3399561

>https://pan.baidu.com/s/1ge927Qj#list/path=%2F

here's the first 10 minus the 6. There are repeated files so it is convenient to download only these because the server is not very fast, they are in order, the X are the ones that are repeated:

- X
- 日本漫画大师讲座9
- X
- 角丸圆讲萌系少女动作表情 金田工房×角丸圆讲萌系少女动作表情
- 日本漫画大师讲座 石井晴子和角丸圆讲美少女角度表现
- X
- 日本漫画大师讲座 伊原达矢和角丸圆讲萌系美少女服饰
- 伊原达矢和角丸圆讲萌系美少女造型 伊原达矢和角丸圆讲萌系美少女造型
- 日本漫画大师讲座2
- 角丸圆讲人物变形夸张 林晃×角丸圆讲人物变形夸张
- 日本漫画大师讲座:林晃和角丸圆讲-:林晃和角丸圆讲
- X
- [扫描版:林晃和角丸圆讲-角丸圆].林晃&角丸圆.扫描版
- X
- X

It would be nice if someone could make a copy in MEGA and then share it in the artbook thread so they can be downloaded more comfortably

[Anonymous No.3400724]

>>3398485
>>3398499
Yeah, that's kuroboshi, who did the art for Kino no Tabi and SAO: Gun Gale Online, as well as the character designs for Princess Principal and Sekai Seifuku.

[Anonymous No.3400726]

>>3400713
>this ching chong 3rd world looking link
MEGA anon is the hero we need, I'm an American, I don't have the patience for this

[Anonymous No.3400801]

>>3397975
realistic anime is a mistake

[Anonymous No.3400802]

anime is shit
I don't know why people like it
do they have eyeballs in their asses or what?

[Anonymous No.3400803]

>>3397160
what's the point of this box construction?

[Anonymous No.3400806]

>>3400803
Doesn't happen put boxes in his circles too

[Anonymous No.3401073]

>>3400802
Ironically, because they're not autistic.
Not liking anime/cartoons is common among people who can't decode emotion.

[Anonymous No.3401323]

>>3397160
What book? just want a title

[Anonymous No.3401329]

>>3397176
I would disagree, but even conceding that anime heads are mostly symbol drawing, you would need a grasp of 3d forms to place and warp said symbols anyway.

[Anonymous No.3401371]

>>3397160
You guys are better off learning the Reilly method than Loomis. Reilly works better in constructing stylized heads

[Anonymous No.3401499]

>>3397160
>step 4: ignore everything that you just learned and paste on cardboard cut out anime features. "What's volume-contour, Jim? I'll take 'modern japanese art' for 1600."

>>3397170
This

[Anonymous No.3401559]

>>3401329
>Reilly method
Nobody has ever argued you don't. People's problem with the "Loomis Loomis I can't hear you nanananana" crowd is HOW DO YOU FUCKING STYLIZE ONCE YOU CAN CONSTRUCT A REALISTIC HEAD?

The answer is studying design, not "hurr durr draw more Loomis".

[Anonymous No.3402826]

>>3401371
>>3401559
How do you apply reily to extreme angles?

[Anonymous No.3402850]

will loomis teach me how to draw a kangaroo from imagination

[Anonymous No.3402873]

>>3401323
I remember it was posted in the artbook thread an on sadpanda ages ago, can't remember its name though

[Anonymous No.3402894]

Anime is mostly stylized cartoon construction. Of course you're going to construct your cartoons if you're a proper artist.
The mere fact that some people on this board can't understand the difference between a stylized drawing and symbol drawings goes to show how worthless and aesthetically blind most posters here are.

[Anonymous No.3403486]

>>3397275
Because many western artists don't study comics art and have this weird aversion to "symbol drawing". Symbol drawing is an excellent tool if used as a tool.

[Anonymous No.3403498]

>>3403486
Show examples of properly used symbol drawings

[Anonymous No.3403515]

>>3403498
He's probably another retard who can't tell stylization from symbol drawing.

[Anonymous No.3403581]

>>3402826
Projecting.

[Anonymous No.3403582]

>>3403498
There's this old movie called Bambi by some nobody called Disney.

[Anonymous No.3403606]

>>3403582
Yeah and that's you being a borderline incompetent moron who can't tell the difference between stylized shapes and symbols.
Bambi like most cartoons is very much stylized cartoon construction but very much NOT symbol drawing. Simplified shapes are NOT symbols.

[Anonymous No.3403624]

>>3403606
It pretty much is symbol drawing though, the features wrap around the form of the head as if they were painted on, then they are extruded and shaped a bit so it looks more specific.

[Anonymous No.3403783]

>>3403624
No, it's not you moron. It's simplified shapes, not symbols. You're artistically inept if you don't know the difference.

[Anonymous No.3403950]

>>3403783
>simplified shapes
>not symbols

the eyes are literally glued on whatever the angle you look at

[Anonymous No.3403951]

>>3403624
NGMI

[Anonymous No.3403970]

>>3403950
You can clearly see they're volumetric oval shapes aligned with the head sphere you blind retarded ape.

[Anonymous No.3403974]

>>3401499
>>3397170
>>3397176
>>3403486
>>3403582
>>3403624
>>3403950
Never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.3403986]

>>3403974
post work

[Anonymous No.3404497]

>>3403606
that wonderful those drawings

[Anonymous No.3404504]

>>3398933 >>3398935
Here are some other canons of the head I found in passing, they are from the same book

links >>3400713

[Anonymous No.3404505]

>>3404504

[Anonymous No.3404508]

>>3403974
>>3403951
>ngmi ngmi ngmi
Not an argument you autistic shitters.
This is why this board is so garbage and so are his artists, you can't argue for shit.

[Anonymous No.3404585]

>>3403783
They are symbols, the eye in it's earliest stage is just an oval that wraps around the head then the details are built around that. Or does the fact that it wraps around the head not make it a symbol all the sudden? Because a simple oval as an eye seems like the definition of a symbol to me. Maybe we should abandon the term as it makes no sense, there should only be "drawing with form" and "drawing without form".

[Anonymous No.3404602]

>>3404585
It's not a symbol, it's a shape, this is literally how construction works you braindamaged moron shitter. You can see by how perspective influences the eyelids and folds. Stay shit though you symboldrawer.

[Anonymous No.3404626]

>>3403606
Bambi is also not a stylized deer. It's a baby's face overimposed into a volumetric construction of a symbol for animal heads.

[Anonymous No.3404630]

>>3404585
>there should only be "drawing with form" and "drawing without form".
That's too smart for this board.
As you can see people here only know to repeat stupid memes and whine about concepts they don't understand.

[Anonymous No.3404678]

>>3404630
>That's too smart for this board.
All this yapping and in the end all you manage is to paint merc_wip with a drab grey and brown color palette from a single point perspective.

[Anonymous No.3404702]

>>3404602
So is drawing 2d symbols on a 3d form symbol drawing or not?

[Anonymous No.3404750]

It's interesting that /ic/ keeps memeing "symbol drawing", a term coined by a book designed for beginners and weekend substitute art teachers, which primarily teaches observational drawing and painting by flattening everything into 2D value shapes, and as such has little to offer those who want to learn advanced design.

This keeps happening in Loomis and anime threads. It's like a horse-drawn buggy telling a car "you're doing it wrong."

[Anonymous No.3404754]

>>3404750
>look at me i'm sooo much smarter than all of u
Post work, let's see what you know

[Anonymous No.3404758]

>>3404754
Shut up, horse drawn buggy.

[Anonymous No.3404766]

>>3404758
Yet another retard with a mouth bigger than his pen, everyone else but you is stupid right? Lmfao the irony of this mouthbreather

[Anonymous No.3404768]

>>3404702
You are literally missing the point because you seem to have a stunted perception.
Bambi's eyes are neither symbols nor flat textures but oval shapes aligned with the perspective. That's also why the skin folds over them in perspective.

[Anonymous No.3404772]

>>3404768
I know that. I'm asking you something unrelated: Is drawing 2d symbols on a 3d form symbol drawing?

[Anonymous No.3404781]

So you guys can't even agree on what is and isn't a symbol? Just wew

[Anonymous No.3404821]

>>3404772
The moment you're purposefully projecting 2D shapes on a 3D form you're obviously not symbol drawing but doing a form of stylization and construction.
If you're drawing a robot covered in grafitti you're obviously drawing symbols on him, the moment you put them in perspective to achieve an effect you're not doing symbol drawing.
You're being obtuse on purpose here because you've been wrong about the bambi eyes thing.

Symbol drawing refers to the inablity of understanding three dimensional shapes and just drawing symbols instead of shapes. When you're projecting symbols on a 3D shape and you're doing it for a stylistic effect you're obviously not doing what is traditionally refered to as "symbol drawing".

This is besides the point because in case of bambi it's 3D shapes aligned on construction lines on another 3D shape and all in perspective.
That's what people refer to as "construction".

Now go and draw something instead of wasting everyone's time by trying to justify your own lazyness.

[Anonymous No.3405057]

>ITT retards who can't 3D and retards who think they know everything
good thread

[Rodrigo No.3405057,1]

https://yande.re/forum/show/24417

It's the number four. took me a awhile but I found it. Enjoy