/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.3395630]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>3390981

[Anonymous No.3395631]

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

[Anonymous No.3395680]

how bad is it /beg/?

[Anonymous No.3395691]

>>3395680
>soyboy wearing bedazzled leotard
if you can't be assed to use a reference, at least go back to anime girls
please

[Progressanon No.3395701]

I made a Jeanne, and I'm aware that there's many mistakes, help.

[Progressanon No.3395702]

>>3395701
I made a Medusa too a few days ago.

[Anonymous No.3395706]

>>3395701
do inner thighs really look like this? it looks like youve forced a thigh gap in there by just making her thigh more concave.

but im a literal /beg/ too so idk what better criticism to give

[Anonymous No.3395714]

>>3395706
her legs look like noodles

[Anonymous No.3395717]

>>3395706
You're right, it does look like there is a forced thigh gap on top of legs just being broken in general due to that; being too thin above knee area, uneven thighs, etc.

>>3395701
Dude, if you want to do your thigh gaps, learn to draw proper legs first and then add thigh gaps. The one you drew just now is a massive fucking extreme. Her arms are uneven in length, and her eyes aren't looking in the same direction.

[Anonymous No.3395720]

>>3395701
Oh, and right. Her left hand, the one that's holding whatever that stick is, the grip portrayed is way too weak. Move the thumb behind the weapon and make the fingers more ''even'' in the grip.

[Anonymous No.3395722]

>>3395701
>>3395702
Both pair of legs look too long.

[Anonymous No.3395753]

>>3395691
shouldn't you learn to draw without reference as well?

[Anonymous No.3395766]

>>3395753
Not when you're starting out. You need to build up your image library and study reference so you actually know how to build things.
>>3395680
If this isn't the next thread's op image I will be sorely disappointed.

[Anonymous No.3395780]

>>3395766
That makes sense. So when should one start drawing from imagination?

I've been drawing for like ~250hours for context and am total scrub.

The only way I can make a decent copy(for my standards) is if I use sight-size and draw bunch of lines and go really slowly. If I do it by measuring comparatively(something most people suggest), everything's an abomination.

[Anonymous No.3395783]

>>3395780
why not keep going with the way the produces good pictures?

[Anonymous No.3395793]

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.3395795]

>>3395793
i like it. i feel like the lines on the hair and lips should be less pronounced.

[Anonymous No.3395813]

>>3395793
Proportions are off and your line efficiency is bad.

[Anonymous No.3395935]

I'm taking the first DrawABox lesson to learn the fundies, but I keep going back to drawing from the wrist without realizing. I also was superimposing and ghosting lines with a mechanical pencil for like two days before I read further and saw that a fine-liner pen is the optimal tool. I have one and that's fine, but trying to train myself to draw from the shoulder is a fucking chore.

[Anonymous No.3395938]

>>3395935
drawing from the shoulder is a meme and meant for bigger canvas than A4

[Anonymous No.3396017]

>>3395793
draw both sides in tandem instead of one way after the other.

[Anonymous No.3396021]

[Anonymous No.3396023]

>>3396021
Vilppu chapter9.
Also, I know I need to work on feet, hands, anatomy and values, any tip will be nice

[Anonymous No.3396024]

ref from Aliexpress.com

[Anonymous No.3396025]

Is it normal to not enjoy drawing because you're so bad at it?

[Anonymous No.3396028]

>>3395780
Once you have finished studying with a good book on figure drawing, and a good book on anatomy, then you can start drawing from imagination, because that's what those books are for. Of course you can always draw from imagination for fun when you want a break. I recommend Hampton's figure drawing book as he explains the entire process.

[Anonymous No.3396052]

>>3395701
unironically put that drawing down until you're not horny anymore

[Anonymous No.3396056]

>>3395935
my compromise as a beginner:
hold an index card in your elbow pit, get close up to the desk, and keep your wrist locked
if you haven't been drawing from your elbow, it should feel somewhat natural
most importantly, DO NOT listen to that faggot when it comes to motivational stuff

[Anonymous No.3396061]

>>3396025
Ye, lower your own standards and get over it.

[Anonymous No.3396087]

>>3395780
If you can get the length of two intersecting lines correct and can angle lines perfectly, then theoretically you can copy any set of shapes in the world. See if that works for you.

[Anonymous No.3396097]

>>3396025
literal fucking kids can enjoy drawing, so you just admitted that you're worse than a kid

[Anonymous No.3396151]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but can anybody tell me whose method this is?

[Anonymous No.3396165]

>>3396151
Looks like Michael Hampton

[Anonymous No.3396184]

Is it bad the my art style is inconsistent?

[Anonymous No.3396189]

>>3396165
Thanks

[Anonymous No.3396190]

>>3396184
resize and rotate please
her "earwings" don't quite match up
otherwise there's not enough to comment on unless you're drawing a bj scene in which case the dick is farther down

[Anonymous No.3396194]

>>3396151
It's by Kevin Chen, from way back. I don't think he came up with the method though. It's just the prevalent way to teach drawing through construction.

[Anonymous No.3396203]

>>3396190
what? No that was just a quick sketch. I'm just asking, is it bad my art style is inconsistent?

[Anonymous No.3396213]

>>3396203
>judge the consistency of half a drawing
your art is schizophrenic but layered, with a touch of wanderlust and a hint of the will-o-wisp

[Anonymous No.3396223]

>>3396213
The drawing was just to get someone's attention

Maybe I'm was saying it wrong. Each time a person drew a picture all the art style are different and how that person produce a different drawing with the style as their previous one?

[Anonymous No.3396241]

>>3396223
oh i see
it's better for beginners to be inconsistent between drawings since experimentation is key to improving

[Anonymous No.3396285]

>>3396097
literal fucking kids enjoy a lot of things, they have no sense of taste

[Anonymous No.3396290]

>>3396285
if nothing short of the old masters is good enough for you, give up now

[Anonymous No.3396291]

>>3395793
Fully rendering one eye before even starting on the other one is not recommended

[Anonymous No.3396295]

>>3395935
Bro your first issue is not reading thoroughly, the draw a box lessons are not even that long. Read everything

[Anonymous No.3396323]

>>3396290
It is, but honestly speaking not by much.

[Anonymous No.3396364]

Any tips on drawing cute/sexy scaly girls?

[Anonymous No.3396367]

>>3396364
dont

[Anonymous No.3396368]

>>3396367
but I want to start doing furry commissions

[Anonymous No.3396397]

>>3396368
again, dont

[Anonymous No.3396403]

>>3396389
Try to get your angles and big shapes in place first, that's why your proportions are so wrong from the beggining. You dont have anything to make correct relationships with so it comes out like that

[Anonymous No.3396443]

Any thoughts?

[Anonymous No.3396456]

Should the contour of whatever I'm shading be darker than the shading?

[Anonymous No.3396466]

>>3396456
Example?

[Anonymous No.3396523]

>>3396323
if you need an art critique imageboard to encourage you as a beginner, how bad off are you going to be when things actually get hard?
give up you unmotivated shit

[Anonymous No.3396529]

>>3396025
Yes. You just have to make the grind and get through the hard parts.

[Anonymous No.3396555]

>>3396367
>>3396397
But why?

[Anonymous No.3396558]

I've heard it is bad to start learning drawing digitally, is this true?

[Anonymous No.3396560]

>>3396558
There’s a learning curve and it’ll take you longer to grind fundies

[Anonymous No.3396563]

>>3396560
what are fundies

[Anonymous No.3396566]

>>3396523
I don't need encouragement from y'all, I just asked a question. Quit your projecting.

[Anonymous No.3396570]

>>3396566
>is it normal to not enjoy drawing?
>n-not me of course, asking for a friend haha
your friend is ngmi btw

[Anonymous No.3396576]

>>3396456
You shouldn't outline your pieces with a dark line if that's what you're asking.

[Anonymous No.3396577]

>>3395630
>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.
This is deceivingly wholesome, considering the actual culture in /beg/

[Anonymous No.3396639]

>>3396577
Last thread where a guy drew stick figures for gestures and the crabs got shit on? Inspired me to experiment with gestures and I was so happy with the results I might just fap to my stick figures.

[Anonymous No.3396706]

>>3396443

i think the body you drew looks fine but the neck + head looks atrocious

[Anonymous No.3396713]

>>3396577
This place is not nearly that bad, you are too soft

[Anonymous No.3396719]

>>3396443
one arm is noticeably lighter than the other
the base of her neck should be placed lower
most importantly, make the pose yourself, left arm behind body and all
see how hard it is for your right arm to grab on? that means the pose your picture has is also unrealistic

[Anonymous No.3396775]

I have only practiced the gestalt

[Anonymous No.3396779]

>>3396775
time to break out the pencil and paper, buddy

[Anonymous No.3396780]

>>3396775

[Anonymous No.3396852]

Should I self teach or find a tutor /ic/? Are the resources on the w/ic/i enough?

[Anonymous No.3396856]

I'm really bad at loomis. But these are better than the first 3.

[Anonymous No.3396914]

when shading should i be changing from soft to hard pencils etc or stay with one for the whole drawing

[Anonymous No.3396952]

dunno whether to post this here on in /draw/, since last time i posted there i was told to go back here :I

but either way, did a 2-hour Mauro Belfiore study.

wanna finish it later but idk what would be the best way to go about doing that

[Anonymous No.3396967]

>>3396856
The whole point of Loomis' cartoon guys is to make you doodle them for fun whenever you can untill you get used to construction.
Showing them to anyone is pointless.

[Anonymous No.3396970]

>>3396021
>>3396023
one tip i can give you that worked for me is to avoid parts that you don't know how to draw in full figure.
Take your time and focus only on this parts until you will understand them and then try to add them to figure.

[Anonymous No.3396972]

>>3396364
Study lizard skin, git gud with figures and sexy stylized ones, check other good artist that do that kind of stuff. Profit?

[Anonymous No.3396974]

>>3396555
don't

[Anonymous No.3396976]

>>3396967
not that guy but the op does say:
>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

>>3396856
these dont look 3 dimensional, try reading up on 'symbol drawing' and how to avoid it.
>>3396967 is right about the doodle part, these dont have to be large, u can make tons of tiny versions.

[Anonymous No.3396977]

>>3396443
Meh, its not that bad. Proportions are fucked and your anatomy needs to improve. So just get back to fundies mate.

[Anonymous No.3396978]

>>3395680
how about now?

[Anonymous No.3397007]

>>3396978
Blog?

[Anonymous No.3397021]

Simple perspective stuff, how am I doing?

[Anonymous No.3397022]

>>3397021
I don't know your goals in art but you should try to freehand these things. Using the line tool will only hinder your progress in the long run. Otherwise it's looking correct.

[Anonymous No.3397029]

>>3397022
Oh i knew someone will say this. My freehand is fine, trust me. I just don't wanna waste paper for such simple stuff.

[Anonymous No.3397031]

>>3397029
Okie dokie.

[Anonymous No.3397037]

Just random sketch

[Anonymous No.3397044]

>>3396967
>>3396976
And yet I have received good advice. Not so pointless. Cheers.

[Anonymous No.3397047]

[Anonymous No.3397099]

>>3396403
>You dont have anything to make correct relationships with
That hurts in more ways than one.

[Anonymous No.3397127]

>>3396852
self-teach, then take classes when you feel really stuck to fill in the gaps

[Anonymous No.3397133]

Quick color study.

[Anonymous No.3397137]

>>3396563
fundamentals
From what I've seen, people say to steer clear because of the undo function or the fear of using digital painting as a crutch for bad linework or because you can do fundies with a pen just as well.
And I beg to differ. In real life, you can erase pencil markings, you can paint, and it really is easier clicking "Save as" instead of taking a picture, resizing, adjusting the brightness and contrast, and clicking "Save as" (try it anyway, the results will look better than you think)
I spent way too much time working with a mouse out of laziness and mouse skills don't transfer that well to pen skills. So if you know you're going to be posting a lot of stuff online, then a tablet isn't a horrible idea.

[Anonymous No.3397141]

>>3397133
not really a color study, i think you'd just call that a sketch, or a light study if you insist on it being a study. just quibbling for the sake of quibbling though.

the clouds kinda read backwards, the white looks like the negative space and the sky poking through looks like blue clouds. apart from that the whole thing is biased towards warm yellow, don't know if that's intentional or a photo filter or what though. the puddle comes off very nicely and it's all very nicely painted.

[Anonymous No.3397158]

>>3396952
When you get angry beginners screaming at you to fuck off to /draw/, that's when you do.
I see you drew from reference. If I looked at it for a second, I would think "digital painting", cool. But the head is really distorted and the torso is at the wrong angle, detracting from the haughtiness of the original pose. In general, when you finish a contour, overlay it onto the reference image and see where you messed up and fix it before you start painting. The point of drawing from reference is to build your visual library and to increase your ability to handle a pen without going through "draw a circle 10000 times" autism. But if you only use it to make your drawings look prettier, then you don't learn anything.

[Anonymous No.3397177]

>>3396914
I'm a beginner, but I think I remember from a high school art class: hard pencils for planning and detailed construction, soft pencils for shading

[Anonymous No.3397192]

>>3396775
drawing from imagination? learn construction, maybe from loomis's "fun with a pencil"
also the ears are really big

>>3396780
head shape is wrong, nose is wrong, arm is wrong, shirt collar is completely wrong, go overlay your drawing onto the original and you can see for yourself. also a polite suggestion to spend your time drawing 5/10 girls and inanimate objects instead of grouchy fat boys in stock photos

>>3396779
like that's going to make him any better
I can already see the exact same thing in a blurry photo, rotated at 90 degrees

[Anonymous No.3397203]

>>3397177
you also often smoosh down the tooth of the paper with a hard pencil to make the soft pencil a solid tone

[Anonymous No.3397260]

i cant beleive i quit school for this

[Anonymous No.3397261]

>>3397037
looks like something out of rocky horror
hair is lazy

[Anonymous No.3397264]

>>3397260
you're not doing that ass justice
get it round, fat, JUICY
your limbs need work too

[Anonymous No.3397269]

>>3396364
looks like my eroge boyfriend

[Anonymous No.3397304]

Anyone here got experience with community college art classes? There's a campus nearish to me and it's my only option for live instruction.

[Anonymous No.3397307]

>>3397304
They'll walk you through the most basic of fundamentals, but the instructor will walk around and point out the most obvious things that need fixing when it comes time to draw. So you will get some individual, personalized instruction regardless of your skill level.

[Anonymous No.3397308]

>>3397260
Try learning constructive anatomy you fucking ngmi. Git gud. Shitty gestures alobe wont gwr you anywhere

[Anonymous No.3397311]

>>3397304
nude life study would be the only reason to go to one

[Anonymous No.3397337]

>>3396364
its all in the face and scales. i dont draw scalies but ive seen that literally all everyone cares about are the color/pattern of their scales and their face.

[Anonymous No.3397342]

>>3396443
C-Chris, is that you?

[Anonymous No.3397399]

>>3397308
he should be fixing proportions and adjusting angles instead of memorizing bodypart latin
these things build on each other, you know

[Anonymous No.3397410]

>>3397337
fucking furries
>the tits and ass are great, 10/10 face, sexy af pose, but what about the SCAAAAAALES

[Anonymous No.3397412]

>>3396856
>absolutely no construction
its like you didn't even pay attention to the book and skipped ahead to the final produck
read nigga read

[Anonymous No.3397413]

>>3397412
I constructed, then rubbed out the construction lines.

[Anonymous No.3397418]

>>3397047
the top teeth are at a weird angle
protip: the top of the mouth never moves

[Anonymous No.3397424]

>>3397413
never use rubbers.

[Anonymous No.3397427]

>>3397413
then the only thing I can recommend is keep grinding and eventually you'll git gud, still, work on construction

[Anonymous No.3397435]

>>3397424
He literally says in the book, I know because I read it, to rub out construction lines.

[Anonymous No.3397438]

>>3397424
you just leave your construction lines on everything? or is this in the context of grinding fundies?

[Anonymous No.3397442]

Long time lurker, thought i should finally give drawing a try, 2 years of engineering classes made more lazy and depressed than ever so i am trying art classes from next year. Here's a rough sketch with a reference, will do one from imagination next and after that I'll get into a Loomis book.

[Anonymous No.3397444]

>>3397435
you're gonna make it

[Anonymous No.3397446]

>>3397442
>engineer who doesnt measure

[Anonymous No.3397453]

>>3397442
you know what
the original is so wonky that not drawing exactly is an improvement
but that means you should find a better reference

[Anonymous No.3397462]

>>3397453
dont encourage mediocrity
its just a man standing with weight on one leg

[Anonymous No.3397469]

So, I've been trying to learn how to draw eyes for the last hour or so, here's the effect.

[Anonymous No.3397473]

>>3397462
No fun.
No sir.
You should not enjoy drawing.

[Anonymous No.3397485]

>>3397158
>When you get angry beginners screaming at you to fuck off to /draw/, that's when you do.
lol.

I did the thing with the overlaid orignal at the start and fixed the biggest stuff (to small arm, ect), but I maybe should have looked at more stuff.

also tried 2 fix the face.

[Anonymous No.3397487]

>>3396970
appreciate the tip my man

[Anonymous No.3397492]

>>3397462
I was having trouble imagining the body underneath, but I think I got it
Would this be the correct pose?

[Anonymous No.3397493]

>>3397307
That sounds pretty helpful, honestly.
>>3397311
Nearest life studies near me require driving for 1.5 hours. It's not nude and it's self-study, so there wouldn't be anyone there for guidance other than other artists. Plus it would cost more for 2 months than the community college class would for a semester.

[Anonymous No.3397497]

Still lif. Thoughts, please and thank you?

[Anonymous No.3397506]

>>3397485
you did what you could
just keep in mind what you learned for next time, okay?

[Anonymous No.3397511]

>>3397497
It's a bit squashed.

[Anonymous No.3397530]

I just got a tablet and made this in 5 min in the "Figure Drawing Practice"
There's so much wrong i just don't know where to start, should i just keep making these until i understand the bodies, should i go for a piece of the body at a time

[Anonymous No.3397536]

>>3397511
I appreciate you, anon

[Anonymous No.3397539]

>>3397530
Why would you only spend 5 minutes on it then post it

Literally what is the the point

This is like trying to make a chair from a few planks of wood on 30 mins then posting it for critique, fucking useless

[Anonymous No.3397543]

>>3397539
i was told to draw poses in timed intervals, did i got memed in school?

[Anonymous No.3397550]

>>3397543
I'm not even good at drawing, but the way I see it, what you can do in 5 minutes isn't indicative of what you can do at all. When you draw something you want to look good, you'll spend time on it. So why not spend time on practicing to get to that point too?

[Anonymous No.3397556]

>>3397530
if you're practicing gestures, you missed the point of the exercise, which is the big ass red line in pic related
you're supposed to be doing these quickly btw
see >>3387650 and >>3387989

[Anonymous No.3397565]

>>3397556
Pretty much sums up how /ic/ misinterprets exercises.
They'll believe any mysticism you throw at them.

[Anonymous No.3397566]

>>3397556
ye i really missed the point, i'll try again

[Anonymous No.3397573]

>>3395630
nobody wants to open that shitty document you stupid fuck, it was fine when I didn't have to sift through 63 pages of irrelevant bullshit. dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.3397582]

>>3397573
It's 15 pages anon.
Not saying it's any better than the current one, but jeez it's not an encyclopedia.

[Anonymous No.3397609]

>>3397442
Here's the rushed drawing from imagination. So lazy, didn't even bother to draw a single tree. Supposed to be a sea monster swimming towards the light and then crashing headfirst into a cliff under a lighthouse. And now I realize how childish this is. I'll try something else later

[Anonymous No.3397641]

im having a lot of trouble drawing, can someone help?

[Anonymous No.3397646]

>>3396972
>>3397337
I really appreciate your tips - thanks!

[Anonymous No.3397682]

theres a good artist in me somewhere
and ill find it before im dead

[Anonymous No.3397684]

One thing I see people posting in response to someone asking how to draw something is to do "studies" of an object. How do you do a study? I got that it involves drawing something from a reference of what I want to study, but what should I be looking for while I draw it? And how do I know when I have studied enough?

[Anonymous No.3397688]

>>3397682
chicken scratch is bad

[Anonymous No.3397698]

I just realized I'm the same as all the shitty artists I always laughed at before I started to draw. I'm just gonna start this one over. How the hell do you sketch? I know its for the rough idea, but most of the time I just undo the line until I get it """right"""
My motivation is also taking a turn for the worse. The sticky says "take one section at a time" but frankly I'd rather just take all of them right now, but I know that that wont have the same effect, so all I can do is draw shit out of my head, hell, even my drawing from reference, which is nearly tracing, is fucking shit. I can't even copy. This is pretty much the first thing I drew out of my head, the other stuff is pretty much just copies, which is definetly not my goal, I'd rather somehow get good at drawing and just copy the artstyle from a doujin artist. Not even to draw doujins, its just that I fuckin love that artstyle. I have thousands of ideas of something I could draw, I can pretty much picture the finished piece in my head already, but getting it on paper? Nah my hands are fucking broken.
I'm honestly spiraling into madness at this point.

[Anonymous No.3397718]

>>3397698
Draw stick figure representations of what you want to draw to tide you over. I feel a lot better now that I captured my ideas on paper.

[Anonymous No.3397732]

I've been having trouble transitioning to using a tablet can't seem to be comfortable on it.Any tips or I will just get used to it?

[Anonymous No.3397734]

>>3397732
have you tried eating shit maybe

[Anonymous No.3397750]

>>3397734
No but I'm sure I fucked your mother.

[Anonymous No.3397755]

this is warcraft 1 concept art

[Anonymous No.3397761]

>>3397573
why do u sound upset

[Anonymous No.3397876]

wtf
am i that bad

[Anonymous No.3397883]

>>3397755

have you seen the game?

[Anonymous No.3397892]

>>3397698
What doujin artists do you like?

[Anonymous No.3397903]

>>3397892
Ohh boy.
The one I'm talking about is Bloody Okojo
But there's also Homonculus, Yakumi Benishouga and Sage Joh.

[Anonymous No.3397966]

anyone got male back muscles references that aren't gay porn? Just some nice relaxed muscular backs.

[Anonymous No.3398000]

>>3397876

i did this exercise yesterday and my head also looked off (it was 3/4 of the size it was supposed to be!) but the rest looked fine and the rest of urs looks fine too!

[Anonymous No.3398062]

how do i draw nipples

[Anonymous No.3398064]

>>3398062
big circel, smaller circel inside. hope this helps :^)

[Anonymous No.3398105]

Should I be starting with the torso or the head when drawing a figure? I've seen some stuff here and there suggesting to draw the torso shape first.

[Anonymous No.3398108]

>>3397037
how to take photo like that?

[Anonymous No.3398116]

I'm quitting my shitty retail job in a few weeks and plan on using my new free time to better myself, search for a new career in my degree field, and take up drawing.
The last time I drew anything other than shitty stick figures or whatever was a self portrait in an entry level art class in high school, nearly 10 years ago, that I was quite proud of.

I have this nebulous goal of some day being a sort of renaissance man, and I'm taking up art as my first foray outside of education. I'm literally going out to buy a sketchbook and to see if I can find some recommended reading at the used bookstore tomorrow.
Wish me luck anons.

Does anyone have any good advice outside of what's in the sticky? Books I should definitely look for/avoid, etc?

[Anonymous No.3398128]

>>3398062
source: https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2684581

[Anonymous No.3398131]

>>3397903
Got a blog or something to contact you. You can do it, I believe in you, anon.

[Anonymous No.3398156]

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.3398158]

>>3398131
No, I dont have a blog (yet, hopefully)
Thank you for the encouragement.

[Anonymous No.3398160]

>>3398158
Keep on drawing! It might take you a few years to reach that level, but you'll see that you can do it the more you draw and get better.

[Anonymous No.3398170]

>>3398062
also here's my guess at the construction

[Anonymous No.3398172]

>>3398170
It's a very good attempt. They're more or less in the right place. It's more important that you finish the overdrawing and what comes out of that. Are you planning on coloring as well?

[Anonymous No.3398175]

>>3398170
Well, I'll try to use your advice for the line art the sketch is done now and I'm ready to hit the bed desu.
There's quite a bit I need to fix actually, so thats gonna be fun tomorrow

[Anonymous No.3398183]

悪い冗談は本当にいたいだぞ。

[Anonymous No.3398185]

This is my first day actually going into the basics and looking around here (not the first day drawing though, been doing that for a few months already) and I'm honestly getting kinda unmotivated if I just look at all the shit that gets done here like its nothing.

[Anonymous No.3398186]

sorry, I'm also learning how to construct, which was why I said it was a "guess"...

[Anonymous No.3398189]

>>3398186
I mean your guess is still better than my knowledge of nothing, so I'd rather take that to make my "art" just that little bit "better" instead of just being stuck at my current skill level

[Anonymous No.3398197]

>>3398189
Then again I'm already losing confidence because I can see all the flaws and the comparison to other peoples art, considering the fact that its pretty much a copy makes it even worse.
>>3398186
How long have you been learning art for? (like the actual fundamentals and stuff, not when did you start to draw) I'd like to know considering that you're (probably) a bit more "reachable" when it comes to me achieving that.
Anyway, im tired as hell, hope the thread is still up later..

[Anonymous No.3398199]

>>3398197
How can I make you regain confidence? How about not comparing your art and just enjoy your drawing being something you haven't done before?

[Anonymous No.3398204]

>>3398199
Don't know. If anything it's probably my ego that's the problem, or maybe not, not really sure. I mean I definetly enjoy drawing it, but as soon as its finished I just have that feeling of "oh yeah i pretty much copied it and it still doesn't look that close, this sure is going good"
Guess I'll just have to get myself through that until I am actually at the level where I can say "yeah ok thats pretty close, for only using a reference this time."

[Anonymous No.3398208]

>>3398175
I just realized that I completly forgot the hair, lmao.

[Anonymous No.3398229]

>>3398197
I've been "learning" (re: shitposting on /ic/ when I should be focusing on my schoolwork) for two weeks after a decade of actively staying away from drawing, so you shouldn't compare yourself to me. Also skimming through Loomis's "Fun with a Pencil" and learning how to trace over something on a separate layer in paint.net will make what I did look pretty obvious. Construction is important though and serves as both a plan for your drawing and a model to move around into different poses.

[Anonymous No.3398230]

>>3397543
You shouldn't be taking ages to do a figure study, but in the beginning don't worry about timed poses when you're heavily learning. something like that could easily take you 10-15 minutes to do a rough equivalent of someone else's 2 minute sketch. don't worry about it, do it until you're done with it within reason. rushing through won't make you improve.

[Anonymous No.3398449]

First time in a long while.

[Anonymous No.3398483]

>>3398449
I apologize for the way the image posted but it's the image is of a breast

[Anonymous No.3398488]

>>3398449
interesting

[Anonymous No.3398489]

Am I a fag becuase I appriciate the male form? I'm practicing figure drawing and I actually enjoy drawing all the muscles.

[Anonymous No.3398491]

>>3398489
You're a faggot for asking that question

[Anonymous No.3398492]

>>3398449
ABSTRACT! Sell it to a museum

[Anonymous No.3398495]

>>3398492
Sarcasm?

[Anonymous No.3398496]

>>3398449
Draw the whole torso at least if you're going to draw breasts. They are connected.

[Anonymous No.3398505]

>>3398489
No. Unless you jack off to men.
If you rape women, then you're a cishet

[Anonymous No.3398540]

I got told anatomy is really messed up here but I pretty much copied whole body from a reference and changed just clothes. I can tell that perspective is kind of wrong, like, hips look disconnected from the torso etc, but it's not as bad as I was told it is.

Ignore the right arm, I'm going to fix it as soon as I have time to finish the drawing, I just quickly colored it so I can see such mistakes more easily.

[Anonymous No.3398575]

>>3398540
there'a bit of a funny thing going on with her pelvis, and that hand is atrocious. i think most people would notice the hand so fix that up and it's fine really. then do loomis and draw it again in a few months.

[Anonymous No.3398585]

I tried drawing a pretty girl but she ended up looking a bit like a sloth.

[Anonymous No.3398586]

>>3398585

[Anonymous No.3398601]

>>3398586
the actual photo looks even more like a sloth

[Anonymous No.3398611]

Is it normal that there's one particular song that just makes me motivated as fuck? I've been drawing for 4 hours already thanks to that song.
It's not even something art related, just more to my passion.

[Anonymous No.3398672]

>>3398611
How interesting. If I try to draw with music on I lose focus.

[Anonymous No.3398681]

>>3398586
it's impossible to make her look good with only lines
pic related is what an edge detection filter on her looks like - awful

[Anonymous No.3398742]

can anyone point me to a book/tutorial on how to draw legs on a figure so they don't look like they're floating?

[Anonymous No.3398779]

>>3398742
Loomis addresses this in his figure drawing book.

[Anonymous No.3398785]

>>3395630

After years of practice I still can't seem to draw what I see. The perspective will always be off at least slightly. Any advice?

[Anonymous No.3398800]

Is it salvageable?

[Anonymous No.3398805]

>>3398800
>salvageable
yes

[Anonymous No.3398814]

>>3398800
is it salvaged?

[Anonymous No.3398826]

>>3398814
Not the same anon, still
???

[Anonymous No.3398884]

Why are all these beginner books like that?
"practice doing the pose/drawing the figure in this image several times" nigger the only reason I did read the book is to learn HOW to do it.
What are some books that are more suitable for a beginner, and actually do demonstrate how to do the things it's supposed to teach in an informative way? preferably step-by-step

[Anonymous No.3398889]

>>3398884
Keys to drawing

[Anonymous No.3398897]

>>3398884
Steve Huston: Making Every Mark Count

[Anonymous No.3398905]

>>3398785
Compare how and why you are off. Then compensate. If you don't hit your marks you have to compensate.

[Anonymous No.3398912]

>>3398905

The problem is I arguably compensate too much which prevents me from getting better. Like I know almost why it is wrong when I look at it but I can not for the life of me drawn and correct what is wrong if that makes any sense.

[Anonymous No.3398918]

>>3398889
Keys to Drawing is a prime offender desu

[Anonymous No.3398931]

So let me get this right, my goal is to, instead of drawing what I see, draw everything in symbols and lines, right? Like instead of a head and a girls torso its one circle (depending on the style a triangle-like shape underneath it) two curved lines for the neck, a rectangle for the torso with 2 orbs in the upper part, right? Or am I still to retarded to get it?

[Anonymous No.3398932]

>>3398931
reduce what you see to basic shapes and progressively get more detailed as you go

[Anonymous No.3398958]

Hello /beg/, I am just wondering, how do i give this beetle look less flat? Thank you.

[Anonymous No.3398964]

>>3398958
Practice cross-contour and increase the contrast when shading

[Anonymous No.3398982]

>>3398449
>drawing one tit sideways
lol apply yourself

[Anonymous No.3398986]

>>3398884
You try and inevitably fail and learn from that, don't expect yourself to do it well from the start. No book will tell you how to make it good the first time.

[Anonymous No.3398987]

started trying to do body and practicing. feel like its shit but at least i stopped drawing anime to learn something that i feel like i am really progressing in

[Anonymous No.3399009]

How long will it take to go from "complete beginner" to "average tumblr artist" in skill if I practice for 12 hours every day?

[Anonymous No.3399019]

>>3398986
This is becoming a meme at this point. You don't learn from your failure if you don't know what you did wrong in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3399021]

>>3399019

you fail because you don't know. now that you know that YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. You start to look for the solution.

rinse and repeat.

If you keep doing the same mistake expecting different result. Then you have a bigger problem.

[Anonymous No.3399022]

>>3399009
Two years.

[Anonymous No.3399023]

>>3398884
draw 50 series

[Anonymous No.3399026]

>>3399021
>the solution to this question is the answer
you really like hearing yourself talk, don't you

[Anonymous No.3399028]

all of my lines are so messy. i'm struggling to just use the ruler. i'm often doing a line multiple times.
the worst part is a line will look right the first time, however i realize a problem with it 10 minutes later.

btw, will getting actually sketching paper reduce the smudge marks everywhere? they're kind of annoying.

[Anonymous No.3399030]

>>3399026

man, you're dumb as shit...

[Anonymous No.3399033]

My first drawing ever, i completely fucked up the proportions and now he has rabbit fangs. I'm sorry fans of the show.

[Anonymous No.3399036]

all of my lines are so messy. i'm struggling to just use the ruler. i'm often doing a line multiple times.
the worst part is a line will look right the first time, however i realize a problem with it 10 minutes later.

btw, will getting actually sketching paper reduce the smudge marks everywhere? they're kind of annoying.

[Anonymous No.3399039]

>>3399033
You picked a really good reference. In fact, try drawing him and other Tartakovsky characters for a while, half of the time upside down, so that you can master the skill of copying shapes perfectly. It's a very important skill to learn. And if you need to see what's wrong with a drawing, just overlay it onto the original reference.

[Anonymous No.3399046]

>>3399021
>You start to look for the solution.
and guess where I decided to look for that solution... yeah, that's my point
I didn't say I was looking for something to make me good from the get-go, I just complained about the supposed books for beginners having nothing of value for someone who for example wants to fix his problem with drawing the human figure and/or proportions, and just asked for a book that has a more detailed explanation of the process, instead of just telling to copy another drawing until you get the hang of it, I could do that on my own but that still wouldn't solve the actual problem. I just used figures as an example and I did like how Figure Drawing for Artists handled that, step-by-step beginning with the fundamentals and basics, and was looking for something similar for other things like perspective/rendering...etc

[Anonymous No.3399048]

>>3396364
i would say that do not make their heads too round. scalies have a lot of shapes in their skulls, eyebrows and snouts.

[Anonymous No.3399055]

>>3395630
Hello /ic/, for exercises, what would be the logical progression in terms of books/concepts?

[Anonymous No.3399057]

>>3399055
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

[Anonymous No.3399068]

After studying I tried to do different stylised heads. Can you help me pointing out what's wrong and what mistakes I keep on making?

[Anonymous No.3399070]

>>3399068

[Anonymous No.3399076]

These both took around 40 mins each. I dont think these should take that long?
I seem to always get stuck on construction and even when I settle on my construction it turns out wrong.
Shit's getting me down. I started like a month ago

[Anonymous No.3399085]

Roast me.

[Anonymous No.3399090]

>>3397029

you dont want to waste paper for simple stuff? are you fucked printer paper is cheap

[Anonymous No.3399126]

>>3399068
>>3399070
break out of that comfort zone and lose that frontal sameface (biggest offender is that the eyes just stay opened the same amount, although the flat brows and mouths don't help either)
three-quarters views, profile views, autistic screeching, ahegao faces, facing downwards in depression, getting slogged in the face, hysterical sobbing, "that's the wrong hole!", "i hate eating my vegetables!"
the neck on the mouse girl is also too long

[Anonymous No.3399128]

>>3399085
you hide behind the anonymous tag so that you don't show how embarrassing you secretly are underneath. you're too dumb to actually post things correctly

[Anonymous No.3399131]

>>3399076
don't stress out about how long it takes to make something or how bad it looks. both of those things get better after you've drawn something 1000 times. the trick is to draw stuff that's fun or rewarding enough to want to draw it another 1000 times.

[Anonymous No.3399132]

Hello, can I get some critics please?
Here are some observation and gesture practice. The skulls and gestures are from photos while the statues are from real life.
Do they look fluid enough? I think I'm starting to get the hang of making thins look less stiff thanks to gestures. I'm also concerned whether they look 3D enough. I put on construction boxes as best as I could and I think it helped add depth but I definitely need to practice more perspective I think.

[Anonymous No.3399135]

>>3399132
work on line stability

[Anonymous No.3399138]

>>3399132
Lookin pretty good anon. I'd say the main things you could focus on would be line confidence and shading. I think shading with some good hatching would make your pen drawings look sick.

[Anonymous No.3399139]

>>3399039
Thanks for the tips

[Anonymous No.3399143]

>>3399135
>>3399138
Thanks. Is there a specific training to help with that? Or is it just something that comes with time and experience? I can do cleaner drawings if I try to sketch it with pencil first and take longer time but for those under 10 mins sketches it's pretty difficult to plot out the lines right away.

[Anonymous No.3399190]

Trying to get used to tablet.How did I do?

[Anonymous No.3399204]

how long does the sucking absolute ass period last? i'm asking because i have never drawn before and rn i'm trying to do rock studies like encouraged by fz but i'm having quite a hard time making them actually look like rocks (using pen/paper). i'm super new but i'm curious how long it's gonna take to make my rock formations look like rock formations

[Anonymous No.3399207]

>>3399204
It never ends.

[Anonymous No.3399223]

>>3399207
but i want my rocks to look like rocks ):

[Anonymous No.3399224]

>>3399019
You can learn all you want and you'll still be shit if you never draw. You are going to have to fail regardless. Learning is a process of taking in information and applying it, as long as you continue to seek out knowledge you will grow.

[Anonymous No.3399231]

>>3399223
Too bad sugar nips.

[Anonymous No.3399238]

how to shading with a pen?

[Anonymous No.3399244]

>>3399238
Hatch/Stipple

[Anonymous No.3399247]

[Anonymous No.3399248]

[Anonymous No.3399273]

>>3399143
drawabox.com teaches this, basically he talks about ghosting your lines before you draw them

[Anonymous No.3399282]

Hello /ic/, total noobie here. I read through the sticky and i'm considering purchasing "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain". Just wanted to ask here before doing so, is it actually helpful?
I know most board stickies are outdated, idk what the situation is here.
Thanks in advance niggas

[Anonymous No.3399288]

>>3399282
Keys and Right Side are both good, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain gets a little slander here but imo it was much more helpful than Keys, but I think it's a matter of personal opinion.

(You could download the pdfs for free and see which one you like better)

Good luck and draw every day

[Anonymous No.3399314]

Cant seem to understand how color works, tried my best coloring it.

[Anonymous No.3399321]

>>3399247
forearm thicknesses don't appear to match up? left shoe doesn't seem to be shaped right, right hand is really messed up

>>3399248
really hard to find something wrong with this one, but is something off with her hair? her left side looks papery and the right has a tuft that just ends halfway

[Anonymous No.3399352]

>>3399314

the problem is value not color. learn value first and worry about color later.

[Anonymous No.3399355]

>>3398586
I tried

[Anonymous No.3399363]

>>3399314
use a bigger brush for coloring in the skin, it looks like shit

[Anonymous No.3399397]

How the fuck do I draw expressions?

[Anonymous No.3399409]

>>3399397
Unironically Loomis, pretty sure he had a page or two about expressions and the levels of expressions in Fun with a Pencil , then you can base it off that I guess.

[Anonymous No.3399505]

I've got basic shapes in perspective down but I'm not yet ready for gesture. What book(s) should I be on to bridge this gap? Some kind of introduction to the simplified human form or something.

[Anonymous No.3399509]

Where
THE FUCK
do I start

[Anonymous No.3399512]

>>3399505
>>3399509
just draw

[Anonymous No.3399518]

>>3399512
I did, and it looks like piping hot dickhole.

[Anonymous No.3399521]

>>3399518
draw it again but better

[Anonymous No.3399527]

>>3399505
michael hampton,figure drawing,design and invention

[Anonymous No.3399528]

>>3399521
I'll draw better than this nerd

[Anonymous No.3399529]

>>3399521
>Picture for ants

[Anonymous No.3399530]

Anyone got decent pics for studying/practicing off of? Like anything that has an awkward or strange pose.

[Anonymous No.3399836]

Learning to mannequinize figures.

[Anonymous No.3399838]

I'm so fucking lazy

[Anonymous No.3399845]

Shitty cat sketch

[Anonymous No.3399896]

>>3399836
you're skipping a very important lesson on the right foot

[Anonymous No.3399901]

>>3399521

[Anonymous No.3399906]

>>3397469
what tutorial did you use?

[Anonymous No.3399915]

>>3399509
what do you want to draw?

[Anonymous No.3399924]

>>3399896
Yeah doing this I realize that the feet and hands are gonna be a trial of their own.

[Anonymous No.3399925]

Trees.

[Anonymous No.3399932]

>>3399529
have you tried fucking clicking on it you idiot
what, are you looking at the thumbnail?

[Anonymous No.3399937]

>>3399932
he still needs more thumbnail clicking experience, pls understand

[Anonymous No.3399938]

>>3399932
shh, you're not in danger here.

[Anonymous No.3399940]

I'm a complete beginner and I want to draw portraits in graphite/charcoal first and foremost.

Obviously I'm doing studies (loomis/drawabox), but I'm gonna go ahead and try to draw some real faces today.

What's best to keep in mind while drawing? Other than the obvious things you get from books, if anything?

[Anonymous No.3399979]

Haven't done value studies for a while. This time i didn`t add extreme values and it`s still look not bad.

[Anonymous No.3399988]

>>3399906
none, just drew from random pictures

[Anonymous No.3399989]

>>3399979
looks cool, but noting like reference pic

[Anonymous No.3400048]

How do i git gud in shadowing, grayscale, drawing, inking, just everything /beg/ ? pls help

[Anonymous No.3400073]

>>3399979
add more detail to the hair contours, move the left pupil a bit closer to the center, nose tip should be shifted up, shiny part of nose should be a bit more to his left, lighten up the hair connecting the mustache to the beard, and you just fudged the neck, so fix that up

[Anonymous No.3400075]

>>3399940
don't polish turds
if your initial sketch is garbage, post it here and shade in a tracing instead

[Anonymous No.3400097]

Drawing balls, harder than it looks. advice?

[Anonymous No.3400102]

>>3400097
from https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/improve-your-artwork-by-learning-to-see-light-and-shadow--cms-20282

[Anonymous No.3400110]

doing some figure drawings, total /beg/ started few weeks ago, critique? thx

[Anonymous No.3400120]

>>3400110
>few weeks ago

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.3400129]

>>3400110
You need to pay more attention to proportions and how things connect to each other.

[Anonymous No.3400141]

>>3400102
thanks bro

[Anonymous No.3400145]

I've never been able to draw due to fine motor control issues, but painting is really relaxing. Other than fluid acrylics, what are some abstract techniques that don't need too much precision?

pic kinda related I like fluorescent paints

[Anonymous No.3400147]

>>3395702
the elbow is weird also.
interesting design but please spend more time on correcting proportions and shading evenly. it feels middle school tier

[Anonymous No.3400151]

>>3400110
i feel like my redline is going to get shit on more than your drawings
oh well

[Anonymous No.3400160]

So I thought today I'd try my hand at my first portrait. I'm on day 3 of drawing, but not too many hours clocked, as can be seen. Ultimately I want to draw black and white portraits.

This is meant to be tilda swinton but I'm going to tell people it's a neanderthal or something. Anyway half way through I lost motivation and experimented with a 6B and tissue instead. I enjoyed it regardless of the result.

It's early days. I'll get there lads.

[Anonymous No.3400163]

>>3400160
the smoothing isn't that bad

[Anonymous No.3400166]

Tried to do some 3/4 faces while I was bored in class, tips ?

[Anonymous No.3400174]

hi i made this drawing recently, and i like to get some tips or feedback about them.

[Anonymous No.3400178]

>>3400174
looks alright, it could benefit from more rendering
details, shadows, etc.
avoid symbol drawing like those dumb crosses in the center of the teeth
also the skull has no chin

[Anonymous No.3400190]

>>3400166
are you >>3399068?
give your characters emotion, and stay away from dreamworks face

[Anonymous No.3400270]

>>3400262
>>3400262
>>3400262

>>3400262
>>3400262
>>3400262

>>3400262
>>3400262
>>3400262

[Anonymous No.3400318]

>>3400151
i should have posted the references,you're editing the poses lol
thx anyway

[Anonymous No.3400476]

>>3400318
that's very encouraging for me if I can guess out a pose without needing a reference
and as you can see, some people are very impressed with your progress

[Anonymous No.3400532]

>>3400145
painting on a really large scale will enable you to incorporate fine details without needing as much precision
consider trying this
not sure what you mean by "techniques", acrylic is a medium not a technique

[Anonymous No.3402224]

i tried my best and that's what matters, right

[Anonymous No.3402226]

>>3402224
fuck image didnt go through