/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.3375908]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>3372817

[Anonymous No.3375909]

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

[Anonymous No.3375921]

>>3375871
>>3375842
I tried.

[Anonymous No.3375938]

I chicken scratch and I'm trying to break the habit, but I seem to instinctively draw short, rough lines. Is there any kind of exercises or practice I should be doing to train my self not to chicken scratch?

[Anonymous No.3375955]

>>3375938
ya not drawing chicken scratch lines it worked for me

[Anonymous No.3375962]

So do I start with gesture or proportions first? I just need an answer

[Anonymous No.3375964]

>>3375909
What if the line keeps changing

[Anonymous No.3375966]

>>3375962
Proportions

[Anonymous No.3375967]

>>3375962
proportions

[Anonymous No.3375985]

>>3375966
>>3375967
then I'm fucked, i've never had as much of a problem recognizing and remembering visuals as I do now (see)>>3375964
I use to mostly just have the problem of chicken scratching and smearing leaving me with a relatively okay-proportioned figure that I just can't add anything to because it's a mess, now I try and draw a line and look back and see immediately that it's wrong, then I try and look at the reference *while* drawing the line, and I look back and it's completely different from what I remember seeing and what I drew. Maybe it's from forcing myself to faint so often.

[Anonymous No.3376024]

This point perspective stuff is cool and all, but is it supposed to be used for figure drawing or just buildings? When are you supposed to use point perspective stuff?

[Anonymous No.3376028]

I am going to read and work through 2 Loomis books. Figure Drawing For All Its Worth, and Drawing The Head and Hands. Does it matter which I read first? Not sure which one to begin with.

[Anonymous No.3376031]

>>3376024
Perspective will help you with literally everything once you master it. Even if all you want to do is draw your anime tiddies.

PS Don't be one of those pinup artists who never draws backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.3376032]

>>3376028
Why don't you read them both before working through them

[Anonymous No.3376072]

[Anonymous No.3376074]

Can't even draw straight lines properly on my third day. Give me some tips

[Anonymous No.3376078]

>>3376074
Just practice dude, use your whole arm and not your wrist, draw circles for warm up and just practice.

[Anonymous No.3376091]

Pepper exercise I did from keys to drawing, what yall think

[Anonymous No.3376093]

This was my first attempt at the eye exercise when o forgot I could shade it

[Anonymous No.3376095]

This is when I remembered to shade it. I tried this exercise multiple times since trying to hold your head in a 3/4 angle with a handheld mirror and draw is uncomfortable, very uncomfortable

[Anonymous No.3376104]

Guys, really, what the fuck is going on. Im losing my basic sense of space, I can't correctly replicate one small part of a figure even after hundreds of tries, I'm losing my ability to correctly form sentences, I can't fucking remember what color things were literal seconds after seeing them. I can't fucking do anything anymore, I just don't have the ability to replicate actions I could have done just yesterday, It's like every time I practice something, every time I attempt to fix some flaw, I get worse and worse at everything

[Anonymous No.3376106]

>Been drawing for about a month now
>Ever face I see every item im thinking about how to draw it
>Ever piece of art I see I try and think about how the person did it
>Decide to jack off to hentai
>Cant because everything looks wrong and not right
Im starting to wish I took the drawing blue pill. Guess im just gonna see how far this rabbit hole goes.

[Anonymous No.3376148]

>>3376106
It's alright. It all comes back around and you can turn it off and enjoy things.

[Anonymous No.3376151]

>>3376104

Get some rest and come back at it again tomorrow after a good night's sleep and some breakfast. Mental fatigue is a thing, and you'll have bad days sometimes, especially if you're tired/low on energy. If you've put your effort in tonight already, rest your head a little.
With art you gotta be ready to play the long game, anon, those kinds of days don't go away, even experienced artists talk about having days where they feel like they're completely retarded. Just keep at it.

[Anonymous No.3376160]

How is my anatomy?

[Anonymous No.3376163]

>>3376160
scoliotic

[Anonymous No.3376165]

>>3375908
>tfw two ligamemes in non dominant hand
Should I switch?

[Anonymous No.3376187]

>>3376106
>i draw now so i cant enjoy drawn porn like before
>i only see le mistakes XD

when will this meme die

[Anonymous No.3376188]

>>3376104
You need rest. Usually you'll be at your best right before your ability to draw tanks from fatigue. Go to sleep, take a little time before you try drawing again. Your brain needs to rewire itself with all the information you put in. It's the same as weightlifting or anything else rest is just as important if not more important then the actual practice.

[Anonymous No.3376195]

>>3376091
>>3376093
>>3376095
Where's my responses? REEEE>>3376104

[Anonymous No.3376196]

From
>>>/fa/13281036

[Anonymous No.3376226]

just started digital pic related is one of the random things I drew. I got 2 questions
When you want to "learn anatomy", how do you go about practicing anatomy?
Ultimately I want to make character concepts, what books are best for me?
my trad aint that great either, but can post if need

[Anonymous No.3376227]

>>3376195

They fucking suck. But they should suck since this is step zero. Keep up the good work.

[Anonymous No.3376274]

Is tracing ellipses a good exercise?

[Anonymous No.3376283]

Downalbum is downloading all the pinterest files
thumbnails instead of the actual enlargened images
HELP

[Anonymous No.3376284]

Anyone know where I can find Dynamic Sketching 1 for zero bucks? The links on cgpeers are fuckin busted.

[Anonymous No.3376286]

>>3376284
Go to drawabox.

[Anonymous No.3376287]

>>3376274
I dont think you will gain anything by doing this. Try constructing your own ellipses .

[Anonymous No.3376290]

Hi, how am I going? First time ever I try something like this, so please tell me anything. It's really fucking hard

[Anonymous No.3376294]

>>3376274
haven't tried it, but probably--considering scott robertson says tracing is a good practice.

should still do your own ellipses though, transfer thta muscle memory from tracing to the real deal

[Anonymous No.3376305]

>>3376290
Pick better reference.

[Anonymous No.3376331]

Tried my hand at foreshortonening from a non-real reference. How would you approach perspective on a complex object like the boot? I really can't figure it out.

(bonus points for who gets what the reference is)

[Anonymous No.3376389]

>>3376290
Looks flat and plastic, give those fingers more form and details and be careful at color and lightning

[Anonymous No.3376397]

>>3376389
sounds good. thanks.

[Anonymous No.3376400]

>>3376397
You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.3376442]

>hit a brick wall in FPS games because I only ever use my wrist
>hit a brick wall in drawing because I only ever use my wrist

[Anonymous No.3376447]

>>3376442
I actually find drawing with my forearm and shoulders pretty easy and natural, it's just that the space where I can actually draw is so cramped I end up just using my wrist most of the time. It's honestly not that bad.

[Anonymous No.3376512]

>tfw can only draw things small

How do I bigger? I can draw something small and keep it in proportion, but the second I make it bigger, even twice the size, the proportions go way off and there's never a happy medium, it either ends up too long and too thin or too short and too fat. When I say "small" I'm talking about two or three inches, no matter what it is that I'm doing.
When I was younger, for some very bizarre reason, I found paper impossible to find and had to steal it from school. They only had two kinds of paper, this rough shit and pristine printing paper which is the one I used to take. But the teacher went berserk if anyone touched it so I could only take a couple of sheets at a time, so back at home I would fold it into four pieces to make it last and because of that I got used to drawing things much smaller than they should be. Is this some kind of hangover/bad habit from that, or is it something else like a lack of confidence in what I'm doing?
Strangely the opposite is true when I paint and I can only do things big.

[Anonymous No.3376549]

>>3376227
....well tell me what exactly i did wrong. i need to know what to do and what not to do

[Anonymous No.3376552]

>>3376290
Try following the surface of a form with your brushstrokes, give forms more definition (value).

[Anonymous No.3376555]

>>3376227
>sucks
>good work
i know this is 4chan but the criticism i see here is odd and confusing

[Anonymous No.3376576]

>>3376512
What are you drawing with?

[Anonymous No.3376577]

Here’s a flash piece I copied, Donna have the OG to show

[Anonymous No.3376579]

>>3376072
This made me uncomfortable

[Anonymous No.3376602]

>>3376576
Just generic pens (biro kind) and pencils. I've tried doing bigger pieces with markers and things to see if it was the nib size, but the same thing happens and they still look out of whack.

[Anonymous No.3376651]

Working on this, how am I doing? Any suggestions or critiques are much appreciated

[Anonymous No.3376687]

>>3376651
Get out of /beg/ for starters

[Anonymous No.3376689]

>>3376687
haha, much abliged

[Anonymous No.3376696]

trying to wrap my head around the loomis method for heads but im super confused by the extreme angles (specifically the head tilted almost all the way up) and the front view. do these heads look right or do they not look loomis enough? i erased the construction lines but i can send a picture of how i construct them. sorry about the weird tumblr symbol drawn facial features, i still don't entire understand how to place them and also make them look 3d. send help

[Anonymous No.3376777]

So I'm reading Keys to Drawing and doing the exercises and all etc.
But I've come across the free and control hands part.
The book tells me, using free hand, to sketch out a vase of flowers and then go to work with the control hand but my question is, why should I make a quick sketch that looks nothing like the thing I want to achieve (see pic related)?
Shouldn't I just draw "normally"? What I mean by this is slow and looking at proportions and all that instead of shiting out a quick sketch that looks nothing like the finished thing?
Especially considering I have all the time in the world, it's not like the vase is going anywhere.

[Anonymous No.3376785]

>>3375908
a little tank I did, trying to figure out values and forms etc

[Anonymous No.3376789]

>>3376777
>I have all the time in the world
Do both.

[Anonymous No.3376824]

>>3376555
>>3376549

Good work because he's taking the first step and it's in the right direction.

As for why it sucks, the proportions look off, and there's still some symbol drawing, especially in the eyes. Luckily, this book is for curing symbol drawing. The shading is pretty messy and terrible, so I honestly wouldn't worry about it for the time being and just focusing on your proportions. If you really want to shade, make it 3 tones: darks, mids and lights rather than trying to perfect a bunch of blotchy gradients.

Basically just keep drawing things and going through the exercises. You really want to focus on where things are relative to other things and their relative sizes. This means a ton of measuring, checking angles, re-measuring etc, but I think he goes through that all in chapter 3. Chapter 2 on handwriting is skippable and kind of out of place in context with the rest of the book.

This is the starting point that you look back and compare future improvements to. It's all about getting over the fact that you'll spend hours on stuff that sucks so you can make stuff that sucks less in the future.

[Anonymous No.3376869]

>>3376651

mind posting just the sketch?

[Anonymous No.3376875]

>>3375908
How can I git gud?

[Anonymous No.3376876]

>>3376875

vALUE

[Anonymous No.3376877]

>>3376875
Is that Martin Freeman?

[Anonymous No.3376880]

>>3376875
Don't shade with black

[Anonymous No.3376882]

>>3376876
>>3376880
So basically being a lazy cunt is what fucked me over with that one.
>>3376877
Yes. I have a feeling that his head to body ratio is off.

[Anonymous No.3376920]

The first one is a construction made by me using reference and the others are copies of construction from Hampton but still I tried to construct.

[Anonymous No.3376927]

This is mine from a couple days ago

[Anonymous No.3376970]

>>3376165
Please respond, I wanna know if it's worth it. Is there a single pro without double ligameme?

[Anonymous No.3376976]

>>3376882

looks like his neck is too long
arm too skinny
leg looks broken

pretty much overall just wonky...

rendering is half assed shit. at least put a little more effort even if it's shit. don't put so much effort on background if your focal point is the character. just imply.

[Anonymous No.3376979]

>>3376970

that meme is dead. move on with your life.

>Is there a single pro without double ligameme?

there are a few pros without hands.

[Anonymous No.3376995]

>>3376824
aahh i see. im the original anon by the way. thanks! also is it ok if i redo the exercise from a forward facing angle? it is much easier for my neck. i found myself subconsciously shifting my head forward, which may have messed up my proportions

[Anonymous No.3376997]

[Anonymous No.3377027]

learning how to draw like Bruce Timm. i'm doing my best

[Anonymous No.3377029]

I think I might just practice boxes for a while.

[Anonymous No.3377031]

are you supposed to rotate your canvas to make drawing straight lines/ellipses easier for yourself?

or is that a crutch and you should learn to draw to draw every line in a 360angle without rotating the canvas?

feels like it would be a major time saver in the long run to learn it but seems kind of crazy hard to overcome the natural arc of the arm

[Anonymous No.3377039]

>>3376028
Can anyone help me out here?

[Anonymous No.3377045]

>>3377031
Depends on what you want. Rotating the page is fine and recommended by artists like Scott Robertson. However, other artists recommend practicing all angles as it is more versatile. (If you were drawing on a building, you wouldn't be able to "rotate the page". )

Basically it's up to you. Rotating the page is easier and quicker to master, drawing at all angles takes significantly longer but is more versatile.

[Anonymous No.3377047]

>>3377029
You need keys to drawing.

[Anonymous No.3377053]

>>3377029
>>3377047
He also needs Perspective Made Easy.

[Anonymous No.3377062]

>>3377047
>>3377053
Fine. I'll be back in 3 weeks. These better not be meme books.

[Anonymous No.3377063]

>>3377045
Thank you for the reply, anon. cheers.

[Anonymous No.3377073]

[Anonymous No.3377079]

>>3376777
the point of the quick sketch is to just feel out the form,proportion,etc. If you're committing too early you may make a mistake and if youre using that mistake to measure the distance of something, that will turn into a mistake aswell, next thing you know the whole thing looks fucked up and you have to start over. Just because a sketch is quick does not mean that its without thought.

[Anonymous No.3377082]

>>3377079
Dont know if I worded it quite right. But what im trying to say is that mistakes add up very quickly so dont just move to the final product right away

[Anonymous No.3377089]

>>3377029

[Anonymous No.3377104]

>>3376165
how can i tell

[Anonymous No.3377118]

>>3376927
Are you using a reference? Your proportions look really off

[Anonymous No.3377145]

Where should I use line weight to make this look better?

[Anonymous No.3377165]

>>3376869
sure thing

[Anonymous No.3377231]

>>3377062
And what exactly is a meme book?

[Anonymous No.3377248]

>>3377027
loomis would really help you here

[Anonymous No.3377272]

>>3377248
i have fun with pencil and others but i don't understand how it helps. mind explaining more

[Anonymous No.3377275]

im trying to paint light from imagination, onto these lines i drew from reference.
please tell me which ones are better and worse and generally if i am on the right track. also how to improve and advice for any of this. i would really like some crits for this one, i think it will help a lot.

[Anonymous No.3377370]

values are hard
proportions are hard
everything is hard
why is life so hard?

[Anonymous No.3377382]

values are hard
proportions are hard
everything is hard
why is life so hard?

[Anonymous No.3377488]

I'm stuck and don't know how to go from here. How do you transition from boxy stuff to organic?

[Anonymous No.3377492]

>>3377488
jesus fucking christ is this the true power of grinding fundies?

[Anonymous No.3377494]

>>3377272
he's saying u dont know how to draw a head + face. U draw how I did b4 i came here.


Also someone help me stupid bitches

[Anonymous No.3377495]

Figures and Shit

[Anonymous No.3377496]

>>3377495
Another Figure (2/3)

[Anonymous No.3377497]

>>3377488
wow..so this is box power.....not bad

[Anonymous No.3377499]

>>3377496
Hands, feet, and face are scummy. Sources on how to approach these parts on a figure. I can do better when it's focused on those specific parts. But usually drawing them tiny is too much for me, I think I'm missing how to minimize details and try to work out too much for the line weight which I struggle to control at those levels.

[Anonymous No.3377503]

>>3377488
Lmao

[Anonymous No.3377516]

>>3377488
What the fuck.

[Anonymous No.3377517]

I'm pretty much a complete beginner. I'd like to draw stylized characters and such but I understand I need to learn fundamentals first. I already understand the idea of drawing what you see instead of what you perceive, though my line accuracy is pretty subpar. Where should I go from here? What books should I read?

[Anonymous No.3377525]

>>3377488
Draw Gundams

[Anonymous No.3377527]

Am I shit?

[Anonymous No.3377528]

>>3377488
just draw robots

[Anonymous No.3377531]

very first post in /ic/
looking at it now, i made the eyes too big and bug eyed, whoops

[Anonymous No.3377542]

>>3377527
You're insecure. Draw longer lines.

[Anonymous No.3377544]

Who needs sleep when there are so many goddamn feet to draw. Not going to lie, this was by far the hardest plate so far with the lighting, the subtle mid tones, and the awkward view of the foot itself. I think it came out decent, but I'm still not comfortable with my shading since this one forced me out of my 3 tones comfort zone. I also drew it a little bit too small and was having trouble getting lines fine enough for borders.

[Anonymous No.3377546]

>>3377531
is ok really, don't give yourself too hard a time. i would work on learning the nose if i were you. not just because that's the weakest part of your picture, but it's a good thing to learn early.

[Anonymous No.3377547]

>>3377544
Kudos to you for having patience for this shit.

[Anonymous No.3377550]

>>3377546
okay! sounds like good advice, thank you.
what kind of work could i use on the nose?

[Anonymous No.3377571]

>>3377492
>>3377497
>>3377503
>>3377516
>>3377525
>>3377528

I do try to draw robots as I do like them. Here are a couple more drawings, as you can see I can't seem to get organics correct and I don't really know how to progress. I want to get better than where I am now and drawing advice is appreciated.

[Anonymous No.3377577]

>>3377531
Line(1) is going through the brow and the top of the ear.

[Anonymous No.3377580]

>>3377571
Get the fuck outta here.
>>3376159

[Anonymous No.3377586]

>>3376195
People gonna usually ignore you if your file size is too large, mostly because you completely ignored the
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS
at the top of every single /beg/ thread

[Anonymous No.3377590]

>>3377580
So its more of a draw thread question than a beginner question.Thanks

[Anonymous No.3377595]

before

[Anonymous No.3377597]

>>3377595
after

[Anonymous No.3377599]

>>3377597
Why did you want him to look like he got bukakke'd by spider-man like he lost the fight.
People have probably pointed this out before, but that's a really weird and unflattering physique for Venom who is known for his hyperexaggerated upper body.

[Anonymous No.3377601]

>>3377599
>unflattering

Exactly what I'm going for. I'm trying to take him in a new direction.

[Anonymous No.3377603]

>>3377601
Also forgot to mention, I plan on toning down the spider jizz to be more subtle. The idea is that this symbiote "sweats".

[Anonymous No.3377605]

>>3377603
You might be going for a little much, just give him a shine like he's a bit wet, there are sweat tutorials. I don't think anyone will ever read webbing as sweat, but you might prove me wrong.
Also give him some expression, you can use his brow ridges for his eyes. He looks very lifeless and that mouth shows no emotion as well.

[Anonymous No.3377610]

>>3376331
i'm pretty new at drawing myself but i like this. the left leg seems a little off though, especially the placement of the foot

[Anonymous No.3377612]

>>3377571
That honestly looks dynamic as fuck. Keep doing what you’re doing, but don’t forget to finish your stuff as well!

[Anonymous No.3377613]

>>3377571
>>3377488
excellent

[Anonymous No.3377616]

>>3377605
I'll keep it in mind.

[Anonymous No.3377620]

What books are you guys using? I'm at a loss.

[Anonymous No.3377627]

>>3377620
Whatever I find interesting.

[Anonymous No.3377628]

>>3377627
What exactly?

[Anonymous No.3377631]

>>3377628
I'm currently reading "Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters" by Robert Beverly Hale.

[Anonymous No.3377759]

>>3377597
>>3377595

[Anonymous No.3377775]

>>3376331
It's from Nichijou. Did you trace this? Don't use anime as reference. Use photos from real life.

[Anonymous No.3377784]

how is anatomy and colors?

[Anonymous No.3377789]

>>3377784
do you have a reference?
anyway boob is in the wrong place and the bottom of the rib cage, if i'm reading it right, color is a bit muddy, not sure what's going on with that hand at the back, i think the hair came out pretty well.

[Anonymous No.3377793]

>>3377784
ribcage too long, legs too short, colors muddy just do b/w to get a hang of values properly

[Anonymous No.3377797]

>>3377784
Jesus. You're still working on this turd?

[Anonymous No.3377821]

Thoughts before I move on?

[Anonymous No.3377829]

>>3377821
Where's the legs?

[Anonymous No.3377834]

>>3377821
Move on? To what? What have you accomplished that you feel you can move on?

[Anonymous No.3377837]

>>3377597
That body design is so unappealing. Looks like a potato with skinny carrots stuck together for the arms and leg.

[Anonymous No.3377838]

>>3377784

Boobs are too big and round. Boobs flatten out when a woman is lying down. Also her rib cage is too long.

[Anonymous No.3377842]

>>3377834
why are you being mean i just wanted constructive criticism

[Anonymous No.3377844]

what you guys think

[Anonymous No.3377848]

>>3377789
>>3377793
this is the closest i have. agreed on the rib cage and the legs are a big short. as for the back hand, i just havent defined it that well and probably wont. its supposed to be sort of extended with a bend behind her head. since the pose isnt exactly the same is sort of hard to judge the proportions
>>3377797
yes. this entire time

[Anonymous No.3377849]

>>3377838
thanks, ill have to keep that in mind for next time.

[Anonymous No.3377859]

>>3376687
Samefag

[Anonymous No.3377861]

>>3377844
Lackluster.

[Anonymous No.3377867]

>>3377844
Pretty cute. Head shape is a littler derpy but nothing offensive

[Anonymous No.3377882]

anyone please give me opinions or advice on where to get them, I habe no friends to show.

[Anonymous No.3377884]

>>3377882
Head and feet are the weakest.

[Anonymous No.3377886]

>>3377882
I feel like your eyes are too far apart and maybe a bit too angled

[Anonymous No.3377898]

>>3377886
>>3377884
any better anons?

[Anonymous No.3377937]

>>3375908
how can I avoid symbol drawing.Despite knowing that you should be thinking in terms of form and light and shadows I just don't get it how to draw facial parts properly specialy the nose, eyes, mouth and ears.I also don't find much information about it.I only saw it on the sticky and it was there not really good explained

[Anonymous No.3377942]

What's the optimal brush/pen setting in SAI 1. Trying to replicate a sketchy feel, maybe borderline chickenscratch.

[Anonymous No.3377956]

>>3377937
You construct things instead of thinking you already know how to draw them. If you are drawing from reference you have to follow what your eyes tell you instead of intuition.

[Anonymous No.3377965]

>>3377937
you don't avoid symbol drawing, you think about light and form instead. you can't draw a symbolic eye is you're drawing a sphere and a few planes.

[Anonymous No.3377971]

tfw can't post any of my work here because I'm mostly studying furry art

[Anonymous No.3377989]

>>3376226
Try not to avoid drawing hands. If you have a phone, download an anatomy app with skeletons and muscles. Look at the reference of a part of the skeleton, draw it without looking the best you can, and after you're done, look at the anatomy reference and fix what mistakes you made. Keep doing this for different parts of the skeleton, sections at a time, and don't avoid difficult angles. Don't just do anterior and posterior angles. Do this for muscles, then draw again with skin. This has helped me greatly so far. Pic related. I'm not great, but definitely improving fast. (i know this is anterior and posterior, I'm working on more. This was the start)

[Anonymous No.3377996]

need some advice for cross hatching stormy clouds. this is my third try

[Anonymous No.3377999]

>>3377989
not posterior, I wasn't thinking

[Anonymous No.3378003]

>>3377937
How can you know what symbol drawing is yet not know all of the procedures to stop doing it that come with every explanation of what symbol drawing is.
Just read what the tutorial/articles/books about symbol drawing suggests and then do that.

[Anonymous No.3378005]

Any suggestions where to start with digital painting/coloring? Right now most of my practice is line work and I need to learn that too. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.3378007]

Is DesignDoll a meme? I appreciate the QuickPose link in the OP, but a friend recommended it and I'm curious what people think as someone who would like to study figures without clothing.

[Anonymous No.3378008]

>>3378007
Sorry, I should specify that one thing that is putting me off from the site previews is the seemingly anime-style proportions. I am not interested in drawing anime.

[Anonymous No.3378010]

>>3378008
You can change the body pretty much however you like. It's not just anime

[Anonymous No.3378012]

>>3378010
Thank you, I wanted to hear something like that. When I saw that 3/4 of female skulls were occupied by eye space then that was a warning sign for me.

[Anonymous No.3378014]

Just bought a intuous pro yesterday and made something quickly. I think the relationship between the clouds and mountains isn't right, but i actually am surprised with how much i like the shape and weight of the clouds if considered alone. Its still not great but i'm not gonna spend more time on it.

Happy to hear suggestions. If anyone has any guidance on places to get more brushes and whatever for photoshop, lemme know.

[Anonymous No.3378018]

I'm still absolute shit tier can't-draw-a-fucking-circle mode but I'm still wanting to at least experiment with tablet stuff with this crappy ancient non-monitor Monoprice tablet I got in like 2012 but can't for the fucking life of me find drivers for it because the sites they would have been on are either gone or redirect to other places or don't list them anymore

Where do people usually go to dig for drivers for older tablets that aren't supported anymore, without getting Putin's spyware dick up their ass? It's a shitty Monoprice TWA60 for what it's worth.

[Anonymous No.3378027]

>>3378018
https://www.monoprice.com/home/driverdownload?s_keyword=tablet

[Anonymous No.3378029]

what's a good and easy drawing program these days? Made this shit in SAI like seven years ago, I remember photoshop being much harder to get into.

[Anonymous No.3378030]

>>3378014
has potential, at the moment the colors let it down quite a lot

[Anonymous No.3378035]

>>3378029
Sai does the trick for most people.

[Anonymous No.3378037]

>>3377775
No, i didn't trace it. I tried to copy the pose (tweaking it a bit) and the perspective on the gatling.
I use irl references all the time, as i said i deliberately tried to study how anime do foreshortening.

[Anonymous No.3378038]

>>3378035
Wasn't there some program like KRITA or something that was championed in the place of SAI relatively recently? I don't remember the name, I don't mind switching if the new one is only slightly better (especially if it's easier to download), forgot how SAI worked anyway and don't have it installed no mo

[Anonymous No.3378045]

>>3378038
>Wasn't there some program like KRITA or something that was championed in the place of SAI relatively recently?
Dunno about "krita championing sai". But yeah krita is my daily driver and it's pretty comfy.

[Anonymous No.3378047]

>>3378045
nah, meant people here talked about it being basically strictly better than SAI

[Anonymous No.3378050]

>>3378047
Never used sai, so I wouldn't know.

[Anonymous No.3378055]

>>3378050
downloaded krita anyways, thanks lad

[Anonymous No.3378076]

>>3378030
I agree. This is how I've drawn for the past few years so I need to get my bearing with colors and blending. Its funny how much easier it is to get voluminous clouds with digital watercolor.

[Anonymous No.3378081]

Thought I'd have another crack at it. I'm giving up again for another 6 months. Hopefully then I'll have improved.

[Anonymous No.3378085]

>>3377942
Just find an artist whose lines you like, and snoop around to look if they posted their SAI settings. That's how it usually is anyway.

[Anonymous No.3378086]

>>3378081
it's not that bad you fat gay baby
just draw it again with less scribbling and more attention to eye shapes

[Anonymous No.3378088]

>>3378081
What is the point of this drawing?

[Anonymous No.3378096]

>>3377898
Draw his skull right now jaw and everything and compare it to a real one. Whats that you can't? Go and study the human head more.

[Anonymous No.3378099]

>>3377844
Heresy

[Anonymous No.3378107]

>>3377842
If you don't have an answer to my simple question. Maybe you shouldn't move on to other stuff. It means you didn't have a goal or a reason to why you drew that drawing, and that would mean that you actually learned nothing.

[Anonymous No.3378112]

I've redone the head shape to make it more stylized, is it ok now?

[Anonymous No.3378116]

>>3378112
make the head less fucking angular you retard
jesus christ make the chin rounder, make the forehead smaller make the features softer
are you fucking dense

[Anonymous No.3378117]

Not confident with my values, any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.3378120]

>>3378117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6-NhdEPKGk

[Anonymous No.3378121]

>>3376696
Its because you visualize the axis as a straight line through a circle not a straight stick through a sphere. Have you tried drawing x-ray dotted lines?

[Anonymous No.3378123]

>>3378116
I've made it less angular, you little spastic cock gobbler
Making the chin rounder makes it look like there's no fucking chin. And besides, I need it to be angular to fit with the style.
I've used this for reference, there's sharp chin, and there's approximately the same relative distance between hairline, eyeline and nose and mouth and chin.
Show me a picture of similar style of what you think looks good, or redline it.

[Anonymous No.3378124]

>>3378117
>my style meme
nigger it still looks like a tranny

[Anonymous No.3378134]

>>3378124
You gonna do it
>Show me a picture of similar style of what you think looks good, or redline it.
or can you only shitpost?

[Anonymous No.3378138]

>>3378134
there is literally no difference between the most recent post and the original

[Anonymous No.3378140]

>>3378112
You need to move on from this one, your ability to tell what it looks like is long gone. And I'm sure everyone on this thread is already sick of telling you what's wrong and watching you not listen.

[Anonymous No.3378154]

>>3378138
So you are also blind?
>>3378140
If I could just move on, believe me, I would. Besides, I've done what you tell me. I've made it rounder, I've made the chin shorter, changed the hairline, made the eyebrows less hairy.

[Anonymous No.3378158]

How bad is it?

[Anonymous No.3378160]

>>3378158
Presentation 90°/10

[Anonymous No.3378163]

>>3378158
You really need to work on perspective.

[Anonymous No.3378166]

Bargue plate study. eh.

[Anonymous No.3378169]

>>3378166
How'd you get your pencil shading like that? How long did it take for you to shade like that?

[Anonymous No.3378178]

>>3378166
i think you can probably move to the non beginners thread. this is very well done

[Anonymous No.3378194]

>>3378169
I'm basically following the bargue coursebook with some help from my dad. It's important to sharpen your pencil the right way. Google for watt's atelier pencil sharpening. I'd say maybe a year.

[Anonymous No.3378224]

>>3377275
really need help with this post lads

[Anonymous No.3378228]

>>3378224
learn to draw lines before you start with complex forms

[Anonymous No.3378245]

>>3378228
There’s no order that is more correct when it comes to learning fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.3378248]

is this how i do skeletons for gestural sketching? what am i doing right/wrong?

[Anonymous No.3378255]

>>3377550
Not him, but the bridge is huge compared to the actual nose and brow, so i would make it thinner. You can also just lasso tool the eyes. Otherwise pretty great.

[Anonymous No.3378257]

I'm doing the beginner traditional portion of CtrlPaint.com and I'm really terrible with pencil and paper versus graphic tablet. Can I just do the exercises on tablet if I'm gonna use it later anyways? And the guy is demonstrating in digital too.

[Anonymous No.3378260]

>>3378121
I just read through the thread more and realized the 90 degrre angle guy was crabbing. Ill try to do more heads with the correct method now.

[Anonymous No.3378261]

>>3378248
you have to consider the body as one continuous whole, not as a collection of limbs stuck to a torso.

also you should better indicate the muscles, rather than the joints.

[Anonymous No.3378262]

>>3378027
The problem is I tried using the drivers found on that site and all it does is say "The software has not been successfully installed. You must run setup again" and won't install them.

[Anonymous No.3378284]

What the fuck are value studies? Why are they needed? How do I do them? Just put shit into grayscale and copy?

[Anonymous No.3378285]

>>3378284
>Just put shit into grayscale and copy?
yep

[Anonymous No.3378287]

>>3378284
>Why are they needed?
so you know how to draw values, fucker

[Anonymous No.3378297]

I tried doing something from imagination.Face looks weird, too big? Gonna head back to the grind-mines now.

[Anonymous No.3378300]

How do you effectively study from art books? A lot of them is pure waffle. I'm currently just going through and copying the drawing since they're self explanatory for the most part.

[Anonymous No.3378303]

>>3378297
fingers look cut off. Hip got a nice sway to it. Head doesn't feel too big because it's sort of cartoony.

[Anonymous No.3378305]

>>3378300
Post copies of self explanatory drawings.

[Anonymous No.3378337]

>>3377275
>>3378224
please help me out with some information

[Anonymous No.3378391]

>>3378305
when a book draws spheres and boxes as building blocks to the human figure for example.

[Anonymous No.3378434]

>>3376882
yeah why isn't he a hobbit?

[Anonymous No.3378435]

>>3375938
Before you put down a line, ghost it.

[Anonymous No.3378436]

>>3376552
thanks for the tip, anon. i'll try!

[Anonymous No.3378445]

>>3378337
your dicks are too big.

[Anonymous No.3378473]

So I was just day dreaming and thinking about how I might practice proportions. I had the idea of maybe breaking down a reference figure into the major landmarks (head, torso, hips, maybe hands and feet, obviously this is just the first set I thought of of) then simplifying them in my head to more basic shapes (which I suppose may change based on the reference) and practicing drawing just those shapes with the correct size and placement, mostly ignoring the connecting pieces. Could this work or am I retarded.

[Anonymous No.3378475]

>>3378245

BUT at least have somewhat of a control on your lines before you jump into advance topics.
your lines shouldn't be that scratchy unless you 're going for that kind of texture.

[Anonymous No.3378476]

>>3377571
>>3377488

This looks great anon. Now you need to learn how to create more complex round shapes inside those boxes. Start by doing more complex poligonal shapes based on those steuctures you already have, then just soften the transitions beetween the planes. At least that's what I did when I was more or less at that stage.

And of course, it goes without saying that now you need to learn some anatomy.

[Anonymous No.3378478]

who here also just realized that they could spend 15 bucks for 2500 sheets of paper instead of 10 for 100 sheets in a sketchbook?

[Anonymous No.3378480]

[Anonymous No.3378484]

>>3378478
Sketchbooks automatically keep everything together in chronological order

[Anonymous No.3378485]

>>3378478
>tfw spent £30 on two sketchbooks
>tfw literally never use them and do everything on scrap pieces of printer paper I take from work

I keep a third one in my car and that's equally as empty. I just don't like how much ink bleeds in them, it really puts me off, but on the flip side it's impossible for me to keep track of any kind of progress or anything.
As a matter of fact I'm using one of the sketchbooks as a mousepad. I'm a disgrace.

[Anonymous No.3378487]

>>3378478
You realize that if even draw a lot at all. You go through pages so fast because you're bad, that you see that a sketchbook isn't worth it anyways. Once you're decent though, a sketchbook isn't such a bad idea. Problem with sheets of paper is it's tough to show people because it's not as easy to flip through.

[Anonymous No.3378489]

how's this still life looking?

[Anonymous No.3378500]

>>3378487
Just buy a hole puncher and a binder ffs, or punch the holes yourself

[Anonymous No.3378503]

>>3376160
I'd fuck "her"

[Anonymous No.3378505]

>>3377231
Loomis is meme shit

[Anonymous No.3378506]

>>3378505
what is a good artbook then?

[Anonymous No.3378508]

>>3378506
I have no idea.

[Anonymous No.3378512]

>>3378489
Looking good.

[Anonymous No.3378513]

Here is another value study. I guess it`s pretty wrong but it was so funny to do!

[Anonymous No.3378516]

>>3378513
ref

[Anonymous No.3378519]

>>3378513
>it wasn't fun to do but was funny to do
What did anon mean by this?

[Anonymous No.3378560]

>>3378500
>having to punch through hundreds upon hundreds of pages

Here's a pro-tip, your time spent doing something also has value. The hours it would take to ready 2,500 pages could be better spent drawing

[Anonymous No.3378589]

>>3378513
1. set ref to black and white
2. paint in background with at least three tones
3. at least sketch in some form of foundation so your angles and shapes are right (like >>3375909
)

[Anonymous No.3378606]

>>3378512
are you supposed to do light and shadow by overlay layers? as you can see inside the cup I just picked different colors and blended, but on the outside I just made one 20% opacity layer that I drew pure black onto and then blended with the void color. Are you supposed to do the same for light? It would probably help a lot if I could just paint the base colors first and then do the complex shadows and reflections. And yeah, supposed and supposed, but is it a good idea if you're in /beg/?

[Anonymous No.3378608]

>>3378445

[Anonymous No.3378611]

>>3378560
hole punchers can easily take like 50 thin pages at once, I bet you could do 50 bundles in like ten minutes.

[Anonymous No.3378621]

>>3378480
That's not how you do anatomy.

[Anonymous No.3378636]

>Research
>Trace
>Copy
>Recall
>Repeat
Is this the special formula to git gud?

[Anonymous No.3378654]

>>3378636
It's the secret formula to NGMI

[Anonymous No.3378665]

>>3378636
Remove trace and it's solid, I recommend you work on breaking down the other four into several bullet points. We could have different understandings of what recall and repeat mean.

The four other methods apply to various parts of life other than drawing which is why I think it's solid even though I'm also /beg/

[Anonymous No.3378692]

>>3378636

>observe
>analyze
>imitate
>understanding
>imagination

observer your subject

analyze the form/values/colors/perspective etc...

imitate it by drawing.

do it until you understand.

creating something from imagination using your understanding/knowledge.

[Anonymous No.3378707]

>>3378473
guys really could it work?

[Anonymous No.3378714]

>>3378707
An actual artist would just do instead of asking.

[Anonymous No.3378715]

>>3378707
Literally no one has ever thought of breaking things down into shapes or using landmarks.
You fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.3378731]

How am I going? I'm not satisfied with the iris

[Anonymous No.3378743]

[Anonymous No.3378745]

>>3378743
cute!

[Anonymous No.3378754]

>>3378731
the curve on your eye is off, it's more subtle in the original, your eyelashes look like they've been trimmed in a point shape, the fold on her eyelod is going way back (try imagining the sphere for the eyeball underneath it, it wouldn't fit), you gave too much space for the left side of her face (you can tell the eyebrow's horizontal length is about half what you did), you're not softening enough the shadows so it looks like she's bruised, her right eyebrow's shape is off (the original is more like a droplet, yours is too straight).
etc etc

[Anonymous No.3378796]

>>3377759
my god you are right, tweaked it some more (eyes as well)

[Anonymous No.3378799]

>>3375908
I haven't drawn anything since secondary school art classes really, thought that it might be fun to start again (also, I'm bored out of my fucking mind right now).
How badly have I fucked up? How can I fix those fuck ups?

[Anonymous No.3378801]

>>3378799
Shit, one sec.

[Anonymous No.3378806]

My first pixel art

Be honest what do you guys think?

[Anonymous No.3378818]

>>3378806
I like the overall shape of the crusader: especially how his cloak falls over his arms.
Don't make all of the colours so blocky: add some dithering, or different shading in sections.
For example, the sky has a change in colour: you can do bands of subtly changing shade and it'll look a bit nicer.
Also, on fiddly things, either go higher resolution, more abstract, or don't include them entirely. For example, I have no idea what the thing in the bottom right is.

[Anonymous No.3378826]

>>3378818
Thanks for the criticism, my problem with color came with the fact that the software I use used a limited color pallete, but I fixed some of the problems with color by replacing unnecessary ones

Also removed the right corner
Here's the improved version

[Anonymous No.3378833]

Kinda fun to try to merge human figures with animals. I will try something less subtle though next time.

Figure is referenced and directly copied, animals bits are referenced only for shapes and not directly copied.

[Anonymous No.3378835]

I read the sticky but it didn't have this info. what are some good beginner water color sets? I was looking at the 6 piece kuretake set but idk

[Anonymous No.3378842]

I think I want to blow my brains out while working through Keys to Drawing. Most of the exercises make me feel like a fucking idiot.

Realizing I might be one of those brainlets that need some sort of class structure.

Has anyone here tried New Masters Academy? The sale for the annual package is ending April 10th.

[Anonymous No.3378853]

>>3378476

Thank you very much anon. I will take this advice to heart and practice more anatomy and polygonal shapes.

[Anonymous No.3378876]

what's the method the kim jung gi use?just simples shapes?

[Anonymous No.3378883]

>>3377488
Start finishing pieces, start drawing skin over the pieces and folds of fat naturally due to twisting and action. Learn more anatomy and planes of the body/head. Definitely learn the muscles of the body that create surface forms.

[Anonymous No.3378887]

>>3378257
Do both, trust me you won't regret it. When you get better at traditional you'll want to do more traditional stuff, you want to avoid it now because you're bad. Eventually you'll want to sketch without needing a computer. They're similar skills but different skills.

[Anonymous No.3378891]

>>3378842
>>3378842
>>3378842
How "beginner" are you? If the topics touched by Keys to Drawing or Betty Edwards are completely new to you stick to them, they are sound advice for observational drawing, which is the type of drawing the masses think about when they talk about "drawing".

Do that for a year and the next years try to get into perspective and constructive drawing, then maybe NMA would be a good investment

NMA, even the beginner courses aren't beginner friendly at all, they are more for "beginners" like me or many else, we are afraid to call ourselves intermediate because we suck. Just the lingo used by the professors would make a real beginner dizzy. I'm surprised they haven't put a real beginner course similar to Betty Edward's book

Also, NMA doesn't replace a good teacher, and their mentorship plans suck

[kittibyte No.3378893]

I feel like I have figure drawing down but for some reason, I can't get a damn face right to save my life. It looks good but there is just... something off. What am I doing wronggg?

[Anonymous No.3378897]

Did this for my sister

[Anonymous No.3378909]

>>3376151
>>3376188
This didn't work. If anything everything is worse now

[Anonymous No.3378919]

>>3378891
"Beginner" as in I've never drawn in my life. I would have thought NMA had something that teaches you from the ground up but sounds like that's not the case.

It sounds like I have unrealistic expectations for progress.

[Anonymous No.3378930]

>>3378919
So you went straight from "I've only ever used a pencil to write" to keys of drawing?
How about for a month or two, lower whatever standard you might have to zero and just draw, get into the habit of making marks on paper.

[Anonymous No.3378934]

>>3378919
NMA got a "beginner course" and it sucks, I wouldn't dare to recommend it to someone that's never drawn in their life.

Stick to keys to drawing, I believe Betty Edwards is more palatable to the complete beginner, but you have a more robust book to learn from so it's not that bad

Once you learn that, get a good, simple book on perspective ( not Robertson's) and then you can jump into Loomis

Honestly, just enjoy the time learning from a purely observational perspective

[Anonymous No.3378960]

>>3378801
Well I'm glad you've started, a lot of your problems are related to symbol drawing, there are good beginner books you can download for free that will break you out of this (read the sticky and then check out the artbook thread)

The drawing is pretty standard for a bad beginner drawing but if you set aside some time daily to draw you can improve. Good luck man

[Anonymous No.3378961]

>>3378833
>crabfus
oh boy here we go

[Anonymous No.3378984]

is it bad to copy other people's sketches?

[Anonymous No.3379003]

how 2 stop gettin tired of things halfway

[Anonymous No.3379005]

>>3379003
Do simpler shit you can finish before you get tired of it.

[Anonymous No.3379028]

Feel like I'm close to finishing up

[Anonymous No.3379061]

Machamp dude when you're done do you wanna do venom and I do Machamp ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.3379069]

>>3379061
lmaoo what would we be drawing? just normal versions or what like a redesign

[Anonymous No.3379078]

>>3378665
I think tracing is good for elements of the subject that are a bit complicated to study with just copying alone; especially if its a really complex pose or perspective or anatomy

[Anonymous No.3379080]

>>3379069
Whichever niggaa

[Anonymous No.3379084]

>>3379080
alright i'm down. i'll try to make it creative and stuff

[Anonymous No.3379089]

>>3379084
I have no clue what I'll do with Machamp just gonna dive in and see what happens :D

[Anonymous No.3379101]

>>3375909
but anything said there is about using your brain to draw, instead of using the quick memory and symbolic emotions work. It makes for a fancy picture title but it's wrong, and shouldn't be used. If you want to use science in your art start being scientific in every aspect. pseudoscience is worse than just going emotional magic.

[Anonymous No.3379102]

>>3376274
muscle memory cann be good yes.

[Anonymous No.3379103]

I usually draw on paper with a lot of chicken scratches
This time, I tried my to restrain from doing so on my aging, broken tablet, which requires a shit ton of pressure to register
Hopefully its not too bad
Now, what did I do wrong this time?

[Anonymous No.3379104]

>>3379101
You mean magnets?

[Anonymous No.3379105]

was betty edwards a flat earther?

[Anonymous No.3379106]

>>3379103
Why don't you draw on paper until you have enough money to buy a functioning tablet?

Paper will always be superior for its link to the artist, regardless of the editing capabilities of the computer. Better to learn to nail a line in one go than do it one thousand times on a computer with ctrl z

[Anonymous No.3379109]

>>3379106
What are you talking about? lol

[Anonymous No.3379111]

>>3379109
If you can't parse English, get off this board.

[Anonymous No.3379117]

>>3379106
Well, I was ctrl+z'ing whenever I chicken scratch, so maybe I can make a new habit of clean strokes
Coming to the thought of it, it probably wasnt the best idea

>>3379103
I think I made the left bicep too small?
I don't know

[Anonymous No.3379118]

>>3379103
>which requires a shit ton of pressure to register
Check pressure levels.

[Anonymous No.3379121]

>>3379118
I sent wacom an inquiry last night, waiting for a reply
Its basically any way to edit files/registry/thing to change the trigger threshold on my CTH-471
It doesnt have the option in tablet preferences
Old board, I know

[Anonymous No.3379132]

>>3379121
How do you know it's not registering input?

[Anonymous No.3379136]

>>3379117
Work.
On.
Paper.
Digital can come in a year.

[Anonymous No.3379139]

>>3379132
I have to basically press it down like a dull box cutter
It wasnt like that around one year ago

My hand hurts even just drawing a few lines like that

[Anonymous No.3379140]

>>3379139
How does it handle mspaint? is the input seem instant?

[Anonymous No.3379142]

>>3379140
Does the input seem instant?*

[Anonymous No.3379149]

>>3379140
Im using wangblows 10, so its paint3d or pirated ps and clip

>>3379142
Yes, its instant alright

I dropped my tablet like 3 years ago, it easily disconnects when the cable is wriggled, but sensitivity is normal
Now, the dc issue is gone, but I need to press real hard

[Anonymous No.3379163]

>>3379149
Play with the setting in the wacom software.

[Anonymous No.3379172]

>>3379163
No such option, see >>3379121
Probably need some tweaking in files, except I dont know where

[Anonymous No.3379173]

>>3379172
Post screenshot.

[Anonymous No.3379182]

>>3379173
Also imgur link, since I have no clue where it actually should be
imgur.com/a/FKsVe

[Anonymous No.3379188]

>>3379182
Also, I should mention that, tip feel changes the gradient but not the applied pressure threshold point, so I still need to press it

[Anonymous No.3379192]

>>3378754
Thanks a lot, anon. I'll work on these things!

[Anonymous No.3379232]

>>3379182
>>3379188
If you're not afraid of bricking it for good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UaWgiOPTmg

[Anonymous No.3379233]

>>3379232
I mean it's good for nothing anyway
So why not?

[Anonymous No.3379234]

>>3379232
>>3379233
Also thanks, will check out once I get back home

[Anonymous No.3379241]

>>3379237
>>3379237
>>3379237

>>3379237
>>3379237
>>3379237

>>3379237
>>3379237
>>3379237

[Anonymous No.3379619]

>>3379003
wrk on mltipl drwins

[Anonymous No.3381395]

>>3376091
hey cool, here's mine from that same exercise