/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.3369719]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>3365246

[Anonymous No.3369720]

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

[Anonymous No.3369728]

>>3369719
Holy fucking shit. Thanks for using my gondula.

[Anonymous No.3369744]

>>3369728
Its gondola

[Anonymous No.3369752]

Value study

[Anonymous No.3369822]

>>3369752
Use 5 values not 19.8 million

[Anonymous No.3369833]

>>3369728
looks like a dick

[Anonymous No.3369847]

>>3369744
is gomdula stopid

[Anonymous No.3369849]

>>3369752

start with 3 mid darkest lightest then increase it to 5, those in between mid and lightest/mid and darkest.

[Anonymous No.3369850]

Kinda stuck, any opinions?

[Anonymous No.3369876]

Day 1 of learning to draw. One day ill be drawing big fat anime tiddies. But for now I guess loomis is good enough.

[Anonymous No.3369877]

>>3369850
stop using black for shadows.

[Anonymous No.3369906]

>>3369850
Give the hair some flow, specially around the bangs. Add some texture to it as well.

[Anonymous No.3369907]

So if i'm reading something to learn figure drawing when do I actually practice drawing? There doesn't seem to be any clear indication of a point where you can think "ok, now practice what you've learned". You're not supposed to put off drawing until you've finished the book are you?

[Anonymous No.3369962]

>>3369833
You do the exercise as you read them

[Anonymous No.3369975]

>>3369849
>>3369822
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.3369990]

>>3369907
You just practice each page. You're reading Michael Hampton? I had the same issue.

[Anonymous No.3370033]

Someone rescued the sticky?

[Anonymous No.3370034]

>>3369876
don't do loomis right away ree

[Anonymous No.3370074]

I tried copying part of someone elses sketch just the head, mine is much more jagged. Are all of these lines done in single strokes which is making the difference, because I struggle trying to do such long lines (if zoomed in, struggle to perform accuracy if zoomed out).

[Anonymous No.3370082]

Torsos are hard
Should I dominate figure drawing before trying to draw from imagination?

[Anonymous No.3370098]

>>3369850
Git gud

[Anonymous No.3370101]

>>3370082
>Should I dominate figure drawing before trying to draw from imagination?
No, that way you would learn from your mistakes. Try and draw from imagination and then look for references similar to what you've drawn and see how bad you messed up; in this case you could figure it out by trying the pose yourself and see how far you can turn your head without snapping it.

[Anonymous No.3370102]

>>3370074
They're using a stabiliser and you're not. That's the only difference here.

[Anonymous No.3370109]

>>3370101
Any tips on torsos?
Mine look very flat on front view

[Anonymous No.3370112]

>>3370109
Draw the torso as made out of blocks, or maybe a ribcage sphere-thing and a pelvis block. personally I prefer three uniform-ish blocks but up to you.

[Anonymous No.3370120]

>>3370034
Thanks friend.

[Anonymous No.3370126]

>>3369719
Why is the op pic some furry animal's sentient penis

[Anonymous No.3370128]

>>3370102
hmm what do you mean by that, post drawing editing like a "smoothen" function?

[Anonymous No.3370130]

>>3370128
Lazy nezumi

[Anonymous No.3370135]

>>3370130
using something like that seems like a bad shortcut

[Anonymous No.3370141]

first time painting anything really, I know it's very basic but I'd appreciate any critique

[Anonymous No.3370146]

>>3370141
That face looks fucking funny for some reason

[Anonymous No.3370150]

>>3370141
looks like the nostalgia critic converted to Islam

[Anonymous No.3370151]

>>3370141
Forrest?

[Anonymous No.3370154]

>>3370146
dougs a funny lookin guy

[Anonymous No.3370156]

>>3369847
*floats in air dark spheres forming in palms*
put the spoiler box here please: no u end the spoiler box

[Anonymous No.3370165]

i havent been here in a while whats all this team stuff ive been seeing?

[Anonymous No.3370167]

>>3370165
april fools bullshit.

[Anonymous No.3370180]

>>3370167
i looked at some of the other threads... am i on the jizz team? Am i supposed to be drawing jizz? bc I dont wanna.

[Anonymous No.3370183]

>>3370180
team creme!
draw your version of our team waifu

[Anonymous No.3370184]

>>3370180
yeah arbitrarily teams. Every flings more shit than usual today then back to normal. I love/hate the internet on april 1st

[Anonymous No.3370188]

>>3370183
and cover her is jizz, got it.

[Anonymous No.3370190]

I can only draw close ups of faces, and whenever I try to find good information on drawing them as part of a larger composition I just get basic shit that doesn't help. So I turn to you, /beg/, in my hour of need. How do I cure this?

[Anonymous No.3370194]

>>3370190
Faces are a part of heads. And heads are a part of bodies. And bodies are a part of the world and have a world around it. Also it helps to post your work so it's even more clear on how to best help you.

[Anonymous No.3370197]

>>3370194
I looked at what I typed again and I realized I phrased it strangely. Simply put, although I can draw faces if I have a very high resolution photo of said face and am drawing the face very large, when drawing the body with the face and head only being part of the larger figure, I have trouble making the face continue to resemble the model.

I can't post my work today because I'm away from a good scanner, but I might be able to tommorow.

[Anonymous No.3370218]

>>3369719

Rib cages, torsos, and the pelvic region (but mostly the relationships between all three of them) have always been a pain in the ass for me to draw properly and with accurate proportions from most angles. I've tried Loomis and other anatomy books but I can't seem to get them right. Are there any tips or resources in particular that any of you recommend?

[Anonymous No.3370257]

>>3370141
try to push the values more. from the thumbnail i thought this was flat colors.

[Anonymous No.3370277]

>>3370257
I figured my values were a bit too light, but every time I try to make them stronger they just seem too strong. guess I'll keep practicing

[Anonymous No.3370291]

To any above begs here, would you recommend us to keep our arms and wrists loose?

[Anonymous No.3370296]

How long did it take for some of you guys to finish Keys to Drawing?

[Anonymous No.3370320]

>>3370296
About a week. I still practice using the methods in it though.

[Anonymous No.3370336]

>>3369876
>Starts with Loomis on day one
literally every time, i love this meme

[Anonymous No.3370338]

>>3370291
If you're not drawing from the hip you're NGMI

[Anonymous No.3370340]

>>3370338
>all these people not using their hip drive to draw
NGMI and enjoy shit tier squats

[Anonymous No.3370367]

Been trying to draw women that don't look like roided out goblins.

[Anonymous No.3370372]

>>3370367
lmfao looks like a character from that manga blame

[Anonymous No.3370375]

>>3370367
someone give her some food

[Anonymous No.3370379]

>>3370135
It is and he is crabbing you. Even if the artist used a stablizer, he probably did not put it on a high setting and was probably just using it to get rid of the wobbly lines caused by drivers. The reason the lines look so much nicer in the original image is because a lot of the places where you placed 2-5 lines, he placed one. It's a matter of line confidence.

[Anonymous No.3370380]

>>3370197
I'm not too sure, but I think I had the same problem as you. Whenever I'm drawing a model, i used to just put 3 lines for the face because I sucked at capturing likenesses on such a tiny page. However, you can capture a pretty good likeness just by drawing the shadow shape of the face and hair.

[Anonymous No.3370397]

>>3370372
Blames really dope, Nihei is a god. I'll take that as a compliment.
>>3370375
yeah, I might've over adjusted since I usually draw women too muscly and made her Auschwitz tier instead.

[Anonymous No.3370404]

Anyone else struggling with drawing because he's /stupid/?
I've been trying to figure out the loomis head for days

[Anonymous No.3370409]

>>3370404
Post examples

[Anonymous No.3370410]

/ic/ please help. brass instruments are really difficult to animate. Is there anyway to make it easier? I'm using a 3d model as a reference: https://sketchfab.com/models/82367f6a22644f6f88b462077611559e
And I'd very much like to finish this by thursday.

[Anonymous No.3370411]

>>3370410
Simplify, no one fucking knows what a whateverthefuckthatis actually looks like

[Anonymous No.3370413]

>>3370411
There's an idea. Maybe I'll just have less tubes going whichever which way. Okay, thank you.

[Anonymous No.3370417]

What are some good beginner tutorials for painting digitally?

I'm pretty happy with the progress I'm making with my drawing, but my painting is so far behind that it's complete beginner level. I'm going through the Marco Bucci tutorials on youtube, but I don't know what else I should be going through

[Anonymous No.3370428]

>>3370404
>for days

[Anonymous No.3370433]

>>3370417
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/

[Anonymous No.3370470]

fridge lights -> cool portrait shots

[Anonymous No.3370522]

Kind of a potential pick me up question from a noobie at this. About how long did you draw for before you started making stuff that didnt completely make you wanna kill yourself in shame?

[Anonymous No.3370526]

>>3370522
Maybe two months of pretty dedicated 3+ hours a day study

[Anonymous No.3370528]

Loomis this choco head for me senpai pls

[Anonymous No.3370530]

>>3370522
like a year and a half

[Anonymous No.3370544]

Aah, getting a pose from imagination to actually look decent on paper was suffering.

Excuse the shitty paper (and drawing).

[Anonymous No.3370548]

>>3370135
Stabilisers are literally industry standard you dumb fuck. If you want to let your shitty tablet drivers continue to cuck your lines be my guest, I'll be over here with all the other artists drawing lines as I would on papee because the stabiliser software is interpreting my input better.

[Anonymous No.3370568]

>>3370367
proportions are all out of whack

[Anonymous No.3370569]

>>3370379
any suggestions to get better at this, I think I zoom in too far when drawing on a tablet as some of the lines to get the accuracy on I would have to cross my entire tablet

[Anonymous No.3370572]

>he comes to the beginner thread to flame people for being bad

[Anonymous No.3370631]

>>3370135
>>3370548
You could always just try using it for a little bit.
If it helps, it helps, if it doesn't, who cares.

[Anonymous No.3370636]

got any tips for drawing neutral poses?

[Anonymous No.3370638]

>>3370367
Try using the head based proportions at first, then mess with it until you get anime proportions you like.
Also if you're not doing it already, or specifically trying value drawing, you should try constructing your body out of shapes rather than doing the lines out of your head.
Just look up body construction videos or pick up a loomis book.

[Anonymous No.3370639]

Is my perspective alright?

[Anonymous No.3370644]

>>3370336
It is the only book with FUN in the title! And at least from the beginning of this perspective book it looks like most of it is stuff ive already learned in a shitty drafting course. (please dont date me with this).

[Anonymous No.3370653]

>>3370639
from up high like that the horizon gets softer

[Anonymous No.3370668]

anyone got some tips for me before I go further with this?

[Anonymous No.3370697]

>>3370336
I didn't start with loomis day 1
it was week 2

[Anonymous No.3370704]

>>3370668
The eyes are uneven.

[Anonymous No.3370786]

Trying to not draw cymbals. I think I am succeeding on a minor level at least.
But probably a bunch of cymbals in there.

[Anonymous No.3370788]

>>3370786
cant see any

[Anonymous No.3370797]

>>3370788
Thanks. I really appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.3370800]

>>3370786
eyes are still quite cymbally

[Anonymous No.3370809]

>>3370800
Yeah. Noticed that now too. Funny how you can't see shit when you're at it.
This one, I feel looks cleaner but that's because I messed up values on the other one.

[Anonymous No.3370820]

>>3370809
yeah i have to be quite careful with eyes myself, have you had a go at at the bargue plates?

[Anonymous No.3370822]

>>3370820
No. I'm just trying to draw what I see at the current moment.
Would you recommend I perfect these drawings or try harder on new ones?

[Anonymous No.3370826]

>>3370822
you could certainly develop the natalie portman one a bit further, it seems like a solid enough base.

[Anonymous No.3370831]

>>3370826
Thanks. Will do.

[Anonymous No.3370851]

>>3370639
Looks a lot better than your previous attempt in that the perspective makes sense this time.
But it's very basic with everything going to the same vanishing point.

Challenge: rotate one of those buildings by 30 degrees.

[Anonymous No.3370894]

>>3370340
this desu

[Anonymous No.3370897]

[Anonymous No.3370903]

>>3370410
Haha holy shit what is going on in this animation. Got a blog?

[Anonymous No.3370927]

>>3370636
Neutral pose?

[Anonymous No.3371020]

>>3370826
I have failed you. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.3371060]

>>3370897
uncanny

[Anonymous No.3371078]

>>3370569
If you're using a small tablet (like the intuos small or bamboo sized), there is unfortunately no way around this.
If youre using a medium sized tablet or larger, then the best way to get accurate lines is to rotate the canvas so the direction you are putting your line down is comfortable.
You can still zoom in, but zoom in so that the start and end of your line are both in a position where you can draw your line without having to extend it with a second one.

[Anonymous No.3371081]

>>3370404
>>3370034
>don't do loomks right away ree

[Anonymous No.3371090]

Does anyone have any pointers on how to maintain clarity w/ some of the more organic structures an Artist might find while urban sketching?

[Anonymous No.3371093]

>>3370639
>>3370851
Thanks for the feedback Anon. I think i did this correctly.

[Anonymous No.3371108]

>>3370141
kinda looks like this

[Anonymous No.3371117]

>>3371090
Texture and value will help differentiate objects.

[Anonymous No.3371129]

>>3371093
Looks good. You used the station point, right?

[Anonymous No.3371138]

what do you guys think of my manly man?

[Anonymous No.3371141]

>>3371138
can i pls get some crits on that anatomy and stuff btw <3

[Anonymous No.3371146]

>>3370404
>tfw i've come to accept im a retarded brainlet
>makes improving my art difficult
>why bother

[Anonymous No.3371151]

>>3371129
I'm not entirely sure what you mean, so i'm guessing no.

[Anonymous No.3371153]

Is there a better practice for proportions/eyeballing than the rotated boxes? Or should I just do the boxes for a long time?

[Anonymous No.3371154]

>>3371151
Then you eyeballed it fairly correctly.
Read more about perspective to learn about station points and reference points. There's a way to accurately rotate things in perspective using these points and angles.

[Anonymous No.3371156]

>>3371138
future renderfag
comlete /beg/ tier figure, professional tier rendering

[Anonymous No.3371161]

>>3371151
FYI this is what it looks like, the point below is the station point.
It's an abstract idea, but extremely important to learn.

[Anonymous No.3371164]

>>3371156
that sounds kinda positive :)

[Anonymous No.3371169]

>>3371138
>ripped guy with fat guy head
weird concept

[Anonymous No.3371172]

>you need 54 years of practice 8 hours a day to git gud
But I just want to draw anime goblin tiddies and be better than shadman.

[Anonymous No.3371176]

Where the fuck do I start if everything linked in the sticky and the OP and all that requires a level of skill that's far beyond. I can't even copy a simple line drawing to save my own life.

[Anonymous No.3371179]

>>3371176
pirate a udemy course.

[Anonymous No.3371185]

>>3371176
Loomis. It's designed for 40 year old men who haven't done anything except throw a football, shoot a gun or work in a factory. It's designed for women who never did anything other than cook food and clean the house.

If you can't do Loomis, you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.3371187]

Looking for fun ways to improve.
Will tracing help my mechanical skills, or is it a waste of time?

>>3371172
Same, but if I could reach the level of even the first drawings on shadbase I would be happy.

[Anonymous No.3371188]

>>3371185
>loomis is too easy
>loomis is impossibly hard
>loomis is good
>loomis is bad
>dont start with loomis
>start with loomis
>practice for a decade then do loomis
>if you havent already done loomis you have already failed and will never succeed
>loomis will make you forget how to draw
>loomis will make you able to draw the Sistine chapel from memory
>loomis is actually an eldritch horror posiing as a god and his drawing techniques will have your soul devoured by the warp
>loomis is the god emperor's 3rd cousin
>loomis is actaully a tree
>loomis fucked 20 tai lady boys while writing his books

[Anonymous No.3371196]

>>3371188
>loomis fucked 20 tai lady boys while writing his books
this actually is true. He was a know homosexual.

[Anonymous No.3371202]

>>3371185
I can't do Loomis.

[Anonymous No.3371207]

>>3371153
???
You don't learn proportions from boxes, you learn perspective and how to draw boxes. If you want to learn proportion draw from life/photograph.
If you've grinded geometric primitives, drawing from life should be easy, just remember that whenever you draw from life, you shouldn't be drawing the contour, but the forms, as 3d shapes. And remember to actually consider perspective.
CTRL+Paint has some good videos on thid subject, namely "Form, Not Shape" through "Exaggeration".

[Anonymous No.3371213]

>>3371188
The world isn't so black and white. Loomis is good if you have a solid grasp on obersvational drawing, perspective, and line. He isn't meant for complete noobs. I'm pretty sure that the books for complete beginners are Keys or Right Side, but I haven't read either, because I learned how to draw by just drawing. Also if you have gathered this many opinions on Loomis and still can't copy a simple line drawing, you are a fucking crab why am i replying to you
>>3371185
wrong except fwap

[Anonymous No.3371220]

>>3370034
Do I have to follow all of these steps if I want to start drawing anime fanarts?

[Anonymous No.3371225]

How to develop a character?
I, trying to develop a character with Disney style.
This is what I got
Any suggestions? Do I need just to draw what I think the character looks like in different situations?
Random stuff?

[Anonymous No.3371226]

>Getting good at drawing will fix everything

[Anonymous No.3371232]

>>3371220
Not at all.

[Anonymous No.3371238]

>>3371232
Could you please give me a rough idea of what to do? I started looking onlyne and tried to practice a bit but the real problem is where to start... I had a look at some of the ctrlpaint free videos about digital paintinge etc. then the site suggested to learn traditional drawing since I don't have any drawing skills. Btw, I have some fairly good photoshop skills (i can use the program and know quite a few functionalities since I've been using it for quite a long time now) but it's still useless if i don't know how to draw...

[Anonymous No.3371241]

>>3371238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU

[Anonymous No.3371243]

>>3371213
I'm >>3371176 and not >>3371188. I've tried Keys and Right Side, but again they assume a level of knoweldge in using a pencil that I don't have.

[Anonymous No.3371244]

>>3371243
>hip drive
what skill are you lacking in a pencil? Can you not physically hold it?

[Anonymous No.3371250]

>>3371243
I have a hard time believing Keys and Right Side are above your skill level, they are literally for beginners. Don't judge your drawings so critically, they don't have to be "good" you're just learning the concepts.

[Anonymous No.3371252]

>>3371243
Can you literally use a pencil? Can you write with one? Or have you never used one before?

[Anonymous No.3371256]

I'm a complete novice. Any tips?

[Anonymous No.3371258]

>>3371241
Cool thanks

[Anonymous No.3371260]

>>3371256
Unironically Loomis. Take a look at what you drew and the stock image and see what's wrong. Think in terms of placement and proportioning. Try again.

[Anonymous No.3371262]

>>3371260
I noticed how fucked up some of the positioning was the moment I put them side by side (especially with the face). Is drawing the same picture twice helpful?

[Anonymous No.3371265]

>>3371256
Look into body constuction, you wanna split the body up into basic-ish shapes, and sculpt those into what you need.

[Anonymous No.3371266]

>>3371262
Yeah, very. If it won't bore you, try to do the same one a few times until you notice the features matching up more.

[Anonymous No.3371268]

>>3371250
They're about what to put on the paper, not how to put it on the paper. It's teaching calligraphy to someone who doesn't know the alphabet.

>>3371252
I can write, but messily.

[Anonymous No.3371270]

>>3371268
The first chapter in keys explains this to you. Pick a line on the object, memorize it, copy it down on the paper, repeat.

I'm not see how that isn't telling you 'How to do it"

[Anonymous No.3371280]

>>3371270
How long have you been drawing?

[Anonymous No.3371288]

>>3371226
>symptoms are causes
Most normie shit ever

[Anonymous No.3371291]

>>3370568
>>3370638
I'll work on proportions, thanks for the feedback.

[Anonymous No.3371293]

>>3371265
>begredlines.jpg

[Anonymous No.3371304]

>>3371280
How long have YOU been drawing?

[Anonymous No.3371310]

>>3371304
I stopped when I was around eight or so, and didn't attempt to pick it up again until very recently.

[Anonymous No.3371315]

>>3371310
I just downloaded Keys and read the first few pages.
Lets say you started drawing a month ago. How are you unable to put a pencil to paper to make a line? You don't have to draw a complex subject if shoes are too complex for you, draw a box, or a book or something. You don't even have to fit the whole thing on the page, just draw the lines you see.
If you keep drawing, you will get better.

[Anonymous No.3371321]

>>3371265
>>3371266
Thanks anons! I'll try again tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.3371325]

>>3371280
I'm reading the same book you are, going back and forth from the first three chapters. the concepts are there, it's okay to not get it right the first time, that's why it's called a grind. But you gotta put more effort than saying something's too complicated that you cant make a line on paper with a pencil.

[Anonymous No.3371333]

My first real attempt at gesture. Went pretty poorly, especially considering I used a reference.

[Anonymous No.3371335]

>>3371333
reference

[Anonymous No.3371337]

>>3371315
It assumes you have the abillity to at least semi-accurately draw angles and proportions. I don't. Again, Keys is focused on what lines to make, not how to make them.

[Anonymous No.3371338]

>>3371333
>>3371335
my guy......
her back is clearly slumped back/straight in the photo
urs is slumped forward

[Anonymous No.3371348]

>>3371338
I think that's partly because the left side of her back is completely fucked, and that lin connecting the side of her back to her ass isn't inward enough. Either way there's a lot I would have like to fix if it weren't for the fact that I'm terrible at getting things in the first few tries so it's completely fucked by smudge and eraser marks. It's also partly because I maybe got distracted by her ass and made it too big in proportion to her torso and head

[Anonymous No.3371349]

>>3371337
?????????????????

They explain how to make them. The lines in the example have both incorrect proportions and angle measurements. Do I need to spoonfeed you? You look at the object. You see what angle it is by comparing it to an imaginary vertical or horizontal line. You draw a line in that angle. If its too long, erase part or all of it and then continue. Repeat this for the rest of the drawing.

[Anonymous No.3371393]

>>3371349
This is why I asked how long you've been drawing. You take as granted the abillity to semi-accurately reproduce the angle and length of a line. It's not something you can "just do" with no experience.

[Anonymous No.3371405]

>>3371225
Pretty much

[Anonymous No.3371416]

How does one get their own style? If everyone is using more or less the same tutorials/lessons shouldn't there be more people with very similar art styles?

[Anonymous No.3371426]

>>3371416
Well, we all interpret things differently, we all apply different pressures and use different strokes. For that reason alone there is plenty of variety among /beg/. Of course at higher levels it's more about what you choose to omit, emphasize, or diminish.

A great analysis of this is to look at anime eyes and compare them to a bargue plate study and real human eyes. It's a real eye opener to compare what is and isn't emphasized.

[Anonymous No.3371430]

>>3371416
You'd think the same thing with Latin but look how that turned out.

[Anonymous No.3371437]

>>3371265
>split the body up into basic-ish shapes
Any good videos or tutorials on this? I find so many people do it different ways.

[Anonymous No.3371447]

Why does the idea of beginning a drawing always give such absurd anxiety? Sometimes it feels like I'm going to actually have a fucking heart attack or something. Does anyone else feel like this? You'd think just fucking drawing would be fairly non stressful considering it's pretty low stakes activity.

[Anonymous No.3371462]

>>3371447
If you're just drawing in a sketchbook then you should switch to printer paper to teach yourself not to worry about "wasting" materials... if your problem lies elsewhere then just man up and draw.

[Anonymous No.3371474]

>>3371337
Learning how to sight angles and lengths is one of the most important skills you need to develop, especially if you want to learn fast. Otherwise you're literally just symbol drawing everything.
Just think of angles as times on a clock. 2:45, so make a 2:45 angle on your own paper. Use your pencil if you need to. If you can't do it at that point then you should just give up.

[Anonymous No.3371476]

>>3371437
Source?

[Anonymous No.3371478]

>>3371447
If you have an entire sketchbook who cares. I have empty pages with one thing on it, and I have pages that are so full I wish I could put more on it
man up and start drawing

[Anonymous No.3371482]

>>3371476
i could be wrong but i think it's from loish

[Anonymous No.3371485]

>>3371482
scotland d. barnes
you guys don't know how to reverse image search or something?

[Anonymous No.3371486]

>>3371462
I'm not drawing in a sketchbook, in fact I'm drawing on printer paper that I folded (to create a crease which I ran my nail down before folding the other way, rinse and repeat, which weakens the part of the paper along that line) and then ripped in half. I think maybe it has something to do with the desire to not just be good at something but also be a "prodigy"(not a literal prodigy) as in you don't just get good at it, you get good at it faster and with less practice. Because of this it feels like if I were to draw something good, but only after attempting and failing to draw it 10 times beforehand, whatever I drew that was good is somehow "illegitimate", or even just having drawn something poorly makes me feel dirty.

[Anonymous No.3371489]

>>3371485
kek nah too lazy im half asleep here. also just picked a random image from my giant ref folder.

[Anonymous No.3371495]

>>3371393
I've taken drawing seriously for 4 months in total. This is my first digital drawing and this is my WIP that I started about half an hour ago. Literally just stop being a baby and draw, cunt.

[Anonymous No.3371496]

How exactly do you draw the flow of the spine with this?(or something like it)

[Anonymous No.3371510]

>>3371496
Dont draw the geometry then add detail

[Anonymous No.3371516]

>>3371437
It's mostly a matter of which shapes they split it into, but the core idea is the same.
You can work what shapes you want to split it into on your own really, if you want low-realism cartoon/anime style, you wanna go for spheres, if you want more realistic styles, you go for square-ish shapes.
Square-ish shapes are way easier to position in perspective though, so even if you're doing an anime style, it helps to visualise your character in squares, and then just work from that.
Knkl/Proko's video on body construction/foreshorteining helped me a lot.

[Anonymous No.3371524]

>>3371510
Uh, did you mean to put a comma between don't and geometry?

[Anonymous No.3371528]

>>3371510
>>3371524
Oh and it's for gesture, not just copying it, don't know if that's relevant.

[Anonymous No.3371532]

>>3371496
Gesture flow doesn't really have to be related to the spine, the spine's just usually where the flow is if it's a vertical shot.
If that's even what you're confused about.

[Anonymous No.3371537]

>>3371496

Don't worry about it. That advice doesn't really apply when the pose is something from an angle like this. It's mostly legs so draw the flow of the legs. Getting the gesture right here is mostly about understanding how the bones and muscles of the legs balance. Draw your lines to indicate which shapes are receding/going forward, what's in front of what, how the forms read, etc.

[Anonymous No.3371542]

>>3371532
>>3371537
Thank you very much

[Anonymous No.3371543]

p-practice makes better r-right bros?

[Anonymous No.3371577]

>>3371543
it looks like youre not actually drawing the form, youre just drawing the contour of the form and thinking its the form. i did an example for you, but got lazy, sorry

[Anonymous No.3371580]

>>3371486
Just a friendly reminder that all of the old masters did hundreds, and sometimes even thousands of studies for their masterpieces.

[Anonymous No.3371622]

>>3371337
>>3371393
You are making way too many excuses. Watch this video. It's about you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU

[Anonymous No.3371624]

>>3371516
Awesome. Gonna try to binge watch some of these tomorrow. Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.3371665]

Been awhile since I posted last. Started doing the Bargue drawing course and it's a ton of help. Look at these mother fucking ears.

[Anonymous No.3371670]

i found some sketches at a local pawn shop. They are priced at $145. I tried googled the artists name but they seem to be a nobody. Is this pricing right?

[Anonymous No.3371671]

>>3371670

[Anonymous No.3371673]

>>3371670
another

[Anonymous No.3371706]

>>3371670
>>3371671
>>3371673
Definitely not.

[Anonymous No.3371720]

>>3369752
how do people make these mini landscape pictures that always look so good?

if I tried to do this it would look like trash

[Anonymous No.3371721]

>>3371665
nice bro, how long do you spend on these?

[Anonymous No.3371731]

>>3371720
>how do people make these mini landscape pictures that always look so good?
by practicing

[Anonymous No.3371742]

>>3371720
It's called a thumbnail.
You're supposed to do lots of these to explore ideas, and you can do them super quickly.

[Anonymous No.3371748]

Tell me about the crab. Why does this board so opposed to cute little crabs?

[Anonymous No.3371759]

I've been such a coward about shading, I still am

[Anonymous No.3371760]

>>3371721
>nice bro, how long do you spend on these?

A long ass time. The first ones were slower, and you can see all the erasing and adjusting I did. About 30 minutes an ear at the start, but by the end it was like 10 minutes. Still a long time for an ear, but hey its progress. I really understand what people mean by drawing what you see now. I was just drawing shapes and lines and angles and constantly adjusting. It's not until I finish and take a step back that I actually think "Holy shit, that's a motherfucking ear all right".

[Anonymous No.3371762]

>do some light sketching
>defocus my lazy eye
>vision blurs and I can see tons of interesting ideas
>It's like the creativity that you get from staring at clouds, but you can turn it on at any time

who lazy eye here?

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-so-many-artists-have-lazy-eyes-and-other-things-art-can-teach-us-about-the-brain/

[Anonymous No.3371770]

>>3371474
Holy shit I never realized clocks use angles for time measurements.

[Anonymous No.3371791]

>>3371447
Yep this is me. I feel like I'm building up emotional callouses by drawing in spite of it though.

[Anonymous No.3371838]

>>3371447
For me it's just there are some ideas I can't even wrap my head around. Like I'll see a part and have no clue how to even try and replicate that with paper.

[Anonymous No.3371853]

>>3371265
>redlining the reference

[Anonymous No.3371856]

>>3371853
And your point is?
This is the /beg/ thread. Redlining references helps beginners to easily grasp how body shapes work.

[Anonymous No.3371871]

>>3371665
damn, man

[Anonymous No.3371924]

Do I actually need all of the materials in How to Draw by Robertson?

[Anonymous No.3371925]

how should I hold my pencil? I just hold it like I'm writing

[Anonymous No.3371927]

what is a reverse trace

[Anonymous No.3371929]

>>3371927
It's a guy with a vagina iirc

[Anonymous No.3371930]

>>3370034
what artist actually "gits gud" by drawing nothing he actually wants to draw? is this images purpose nothing more than to overwhelm potential artists?

[Anonymous No.3371942]

Was recommended I come here and get advice on how to get good. Been drawing "properly" for about 2-3 years now and taking on tips I got from books that were gifts and from other anons as I go along to certain results.

Current big thing I'm working on, doesn't include my most recent practice with other construction methods. Will post that in a reply to this post.

[Anonymous No.3371943]

>>3371942
Normally would use boxes and cylinders for construction but my stuff was still looking disjointed. Tried doing a stick man method before everything else and still having the same issues. What the fuck else can I do, lads?

I have more ACTUALLY finished stuff if anyone needs/wants to see it.

[Anonymous No.3371948]

>>3371925
However you like. Experiment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-piPn9d6Q

>>3371924
Probably not.

[Anonymous No.3371951]

>>3371943
Gesture.

[Anonymous No.3371953]

>>3371927
It says "To reverse - trace."
Maybe you need glasses

[Anonymous No.3371956]

>>3371930
1. You can study from these books and also draw some shit you want, maybe even try applying what you learned each day.
2. These books contain basic concepts and principles that will apply to basically every subject matter you want to draw.

[Anonymous No.3371971]

>>3371930
>is this images purpose nothing more than to overwhelm potential artists?
Most likely.

[Anonymous No.3371972]

>>3371956
where on earth did you read that? the image doesn't say that at all, it says spend 4 hours a day for a year practicing from 11 books, not including real life studies

[Anonymous No.3371978]

>>3371951
So I'd be right to do very loose things like this first and then add on my regular techniques like boxes for torsos and cylinders for arms?

[Anonymous No.3371980]

>>3371978
Like so, to be specific

[Anonymous No.3371991]

>>3371972
seriously what is the way this kind of schedule would work? i assume most artists have jobs, if fulltime they could still fit in 4 hours if they eat small and fast. but is that really all you would do for a year? how do you fit in your hour long exercise every two days? or even make time for real life studies/trip to the store/the 'chon. and of course to add onto this, like i said i dont think the person who made it counted "extra curricular" drawing within that four hours and that you would be expected to draw even more than four hours if you wanted to draw what you wanted
>inb4 >>>job
the image even says you need to have a good computer and buy all these 100 dollar books and tablets and shit, i for one would just pirate them myself but that wasn't even the recommendation. i feel like that image needs more than just routine but an entire section on how to even live life

[Anonymous No.3371992]

>>3371980
>>3371978
yes but push the gesture more before adding the boxes as it stiffens up the pose

[Anonymous No.3371997]

>>3371992
When you say "push" the gesture more, do you mean refine it so it looks nicer or just practice gesture more?

[Anonymous No.3372005]

>>3371997
Exaggerate!

[Anonymous No.3372027]

pls help me with these hands ;-;

[Anonymous No.3372044]

>>3371622
I don't need motivational videos. I need to know how to "get the lines where I want them", so to speak.

[Anonymous No.3372070]

>>3372044
do this then
https://youtu.be/wgDNDOKnArk?t=6m22s

[Anonymous No.3372072]

>>3372027
The right one is ok, in the left one there only should be two fingers visible at best, since the arm is covering them.

Sorry for my english.

[Anonymous No.3372089]

>>3372070
I've taken a look at Dynamic Sketching, but again it seems aimed at people who already have the fundamentals somewhat down, and can be expected to, say, just "draw an arc".

[Anonymous No.3372104]

An anon posted this, and others called it wrong
why?

[Anonymous No.3372106]

Going through the dynamic sketching 1 videos and just finished week 2 with textures and rounded forms. Think I'm ready to move go week 3 for the meantime.

[Anonymous No.3372114]

>>3372089
Did you watch the video I posted? It's exactly for beg who can't draw a straight line, an arc or ellipse
do those exercices every day until you're confident

[Anonymous No.3372126]

>>3372114
No, it's for people who already can make a decent go of those things but need further training. It's not a beginner point.

[Anonymous No.3372158]

>>3372126
If you can't even bring yourself to make a crappy line on a paper, you will literally never make it. Because that IS the starting point, no matter how you look at it.

[Anonymous No.3372162]

>>3371980
What's the source on that guide? I can't read that logo for the life of me.

[Anonymous No.3372164]

>>3372162
It says it's "Griz and Norm". Someone else gave me the ref but googling that brought up very similar looking guides so I assume it's them.

[Anonymous No.3372169]

>>3372164
Oh that's it, my bad, I kept googling for cluz and norm and getting nothing,

[Anonymous No.3372182]

>>3372169
That's what I thought too, but then I saw the G and the N were conjoined

Even logos are too complex for me it seems

[Anonymous No.3372187]

I made this in class, trying to get the gesture and the anatomy right from imagination. Please tell me what's wrong.

[Anonymous No.3372192]

What should I do besides erase this

[Anonymous No.3372196]

>>3372192
Burn the paper when you have erased it.

[Anonymous No.3372201]

>>3372072
Our left or his left?

[Anonymous No.3372203]

>>3372192
Don't erase it unless you are short on paper. Keep it as something to compare to in a year when you are better. That being said pick up an /ic/ meme book of your choosing.

[Anonymous No.3372213]

>tfw I'm so bad at blending

do you normally make circular motions with the brush to blend or single strokes back and forth?

[Anonymous No.3372220]

>>3372005
So more exaggerated stuff like this?

Except yknow, with a little bit more patience

[Anonymous No.3372222]

>>3371207
Is there a video tutorial on how to do that efficiently and effectively?

[Anonymous No.3372232]

>>3372220

[Anonymous No.3372233]

anyone else listen to ASMR while you draw?

[Anonymous No.3372234]

>>3372187
this redline is by no means perfect so don't take it as law, but I tried to flesh out your shapes more, the biggest issues I see are the fact that her left arm is too long and her shoulders aren't defined enough. I'd recommend drawing from reference a bit more, spending about a fourth of the time on any one pose as you did that one just to grind through a bunch and commit stuff to memory. some anon who's more competent with the nitty-gritty anatomy stuff can correct what I did here if they want

[Anonymous No.3372237]

>>3371930
Have you never learned a non-trivial skill before? How many textbooks do you think an engineer or a computer programmer has to read? Why should art be different?

[Anonymous No.3372241]

>>3372234
I do practice from reference time to time like in this thread >>3370226 but alright, I think I'll have to do it a bit more. I heard that doing 3-4 drawing from references and 20 specific bodyparts a day helps a lot.
Thanks for the redline, it does look way better than mine.

[Anonymous No.3372259]

>>3372233
I listen to shmazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZGys4CH6CE&t=1785s

[Anonymous No.3372261]

[Anonymous No.3372275]

>>3370544

>no thanks i don’t want any chicken, im vegan

[Anonymous No.3372281]

>>3372222
>CTRL+Paint has some good videos on this subject, namely "Form, not Shape" through "Exaggeration"

[Anonymous No.3372319]

First time ever drawing a scenery/background.
Obviously I strayed too much away from the reference but I'm glad to have made a frist step.

[Anonymous No.3372325]

>>3372281
Alright.

[Anonymous No.3372328]

>>3371196
Lol being gay does not equal fucking lady boys

[Anonymous No.3372337]

When is it ok to abandon a drawing? I've heard that it's important to see it through to the end, but sometimes it's beyond saving.

[Anonymous No.3372363]

>>3372337
When you feel like it.

[Anonymous No.3372394]

>>3372328
says who?

[Anonymous No.3372400]

>>3372089
Yo you gotta be trolling. Otherwise just give up lmao

[Anonymous No.3372402]

>tfw blackpilled by trying to draw my face (first attempt to draw) as instructed by the Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain book
>trying to draw with my arm instead of wrist
>can't draw the lines/shapes of face straight
>nose/eyes seem to out of proportion
>no ADHD millennial insta gratification
>palms are sweaty
>it's hot in here
>my hands hurt
>F*CK da vinci and fck art ppl *snaps pencil*

Am I gonna make it bros?

[Anonymous No.3372407]

>>3372402

[Anonymous No.3372408]

>>3372402
Only if you learn how to push through these feelings. You are not alone and no matter how good you get, you will always see the errors in your work and wonder if you suck or not. So just keep pushing and you will get to the other side.

[Anonymous No.3372411]

>>3370410
If you have the model you could just animate it in 3d and rotoscope it

[Anonymous No.3372415]

>>3372402
Yes, if you accept that you're shitty and you need to work hard to get better. It really isn't that bad, and when you start to see small improvements it can actually be fun.

[Anonymous No.3372418]

>>3372408
>>3372415
What's the reason behind drawing with arm/elbow/whatever btw? I've notice with wrist the lines are shaky too. Is it just carpal tunnel prevention or the lines are straighter eventually?

[Anonymous No.3372426]

>>3372232
I'll keep this in mind, thank you!

[Anonymous No.3372445]

Could anyone recommend a gesture drawing slide show site besides https://line-of-action.com? I've been using it for awhile and I'm starting to get repeats or the same models, so I'd like to mix it up. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.3372491]

>>3372445
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en/

[Anonymous No.3372501]

>>3372445

Geez, try some longer lines. Capture the gesture with one curve rather than 50 squiggly lines. The first attempt probably won't be perfect, but this is digital so just keep redrawing until you get the curve your looking for in one stroke. It'll train your muscle memory and eyes rather than a bunch of tiny shitty lines.

[Anonymous No.3372525]

Tried to emulate No Man's sky drawing but emulated some retarded kid schizophrenia

[Anonymous No.3372537]

>>3372525
Lots of issues but the 2 things that jump out to me is how in the hell is that ship standing? Surely its missing a landing gear or two. Also the ground is just a flat green.

[Anonymous No.3372545]

>>3370034
>4 hours of focused practice a day
Lmao

[Anonymous No.3372550]

>>3372537
>Surely its missing a landing gear or two
On my planet all physic's laws are broken
>Also the ground is just a flat green.
That was intentional for the sake of pure minimalism

[Anonymous No.3372552]

So I already know my anatomy is bad, and i'll be working on that but, how the fuck do I learn to draw hands while also defining my own style to them? This is the most recent i've drawn. I drew it for fun because I really like just doodling but I still wanna get better.

[Anonymous No.3372554]

>>3372552
Focus on learning to draw hands really good first. Style comes later dummy.

[Anonymous No.3372555]

>>3372550
Its like your drawing bro. But im tellin ya it needs another gear its buggin the crap outa me
>>3372552
>Style

[Anonymous No.3372559]

>>3372554
So just hand and regular anatomy practice for a while, then define it more?

[Anonymous No.3372562]

>>3372559
Rule of thumb. If something looks bad in your style go back to the fundamentals. There could be something else causing it but thats the 1% of cases.

[Anonymous No.3372564]

>>3372562
Alrighty, thanks man.

[Anonymous No.3372605]

>>3369719
Still want to know what this picture is supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.3372630]

>>3372605
Gondola

[Anonymous No.3372632]

>>3372559
>so practice to become good?

what do you think

[Anonymous No.3372634]

Didn't draw for a while

[Anonymous No.3372643]

>>3372634
Checks out.

[Anonymous No.3372652]

>>3372187
Anything else to say ?

[Anonymous No.3372658]

Having difficulty with the Proko bean or at least, not sure if I'm doing it right or not.

[Anonymous No.3372659]

>>3372658
>Having difficulty with the Proko bean
No you don't.

[Anonymous No.3372674]

>>3370336
Are you unironically posting Dobson

[Anonymous No.3372687]

starting on a drawing, i feel like something is off with this but can't pinpoint it, any tips?

[Anonymous No.3372695]

>>3358766

[Anonymous No.3372699]

>>3372695
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.3372725]

>>3372319
i like your anor londo

[Anonymous No.3372754]

I have a discord server where we host online figure drawing sessions. we stream a figure drawing video and everyone draws from the the same reference in real time.
https://discord.gg/Pt6BKp6
it's not meant to be used as your primary art server though because it's only in use when a stream is starting. because of this, we do not have reference/critique channels, but feel free to give useful pointers when you join one of our figure drawing sessions. we stream figure drawing videos through the watchtogether site and talk in vc as the video plays. please note that you will be notified through the @everyone tag when a stream happens and ONLY if a stream happens.

my work:
https://www.instagram.com/gs95draws/
https://gs95.tumblr.com/

[Anonymous No.3372755]

>>3372754
i started learning to draw since july 2017 and you can see my figures from august here. drawing a lot of figures makes you a lot better at em.

[Anonymous No.3372758]

>>3372201
Our left.

[Anonymous No.3372760]

>>3372755
practice can get boring and starting the habit of doing something everyday is kinda tough. if some of you guys like screaming in vc while the model poses and need a daily reminder to figure draw then stop by.

[Anonymous No.3372780]

>>3372725
Thanks, I hope I'll be good enough to make a good painting of it in the near future

[Anonymous No.3372784]

>>3371948
Would you happen to know which materials I should get, then?

[Anonymous No.3372819]

>>3372817
>>3372817
>>3372817

>>3372817
>>3372817
>>3372817

>>3372817
>>3372817
>>3372817

[Anonymous No.3373207]

[Anonymous No.3373352]

>>3373207
Well that's fuckin weird

[Anonymous No.3374165]

>>3373352
f u

[Anonymous No.3374415]

For really shit markers,What do u think?