https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU New Design Cinema is up. Crabs need not to watch.

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Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:00:15 2018 No.3355117 [Reply] [Original]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU

New Design Cinema is up.
Crabs need not to watch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:13:01 2018 No.3355125 >Just Draw just what /ic/ needs to be quite honest

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:17:30 2018 No.3355128 File: 71 KB, 1212x849, hehe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how very relevant to /ic/ especially the fundies meme

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:19:34 2018 No.3355130 >>3355128 Yup, just as he explained no fundies needed to START drawing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:20:14 2018 No.3355133 >>3355128 >I want to get better at digital painting first Is he talking about digital rendering/colouring and digital techniques?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:22:43 2018 No.3355135 OH NO NO NO NO WTF FELLOW CRABBROS??

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:23:27 2018 No.3355136 >>3355133 Don't forget to not to watch the actual video.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:24:44 2018 No.3355139 File: 202 KB, 2048x1280, 12052645_1514730278821287_6602920996957530426_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355135 Dunno, Janny delete thread plz!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:35:02 2018 No.3355146 >>3355117 So, so based.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:37:58 2018 No.3355150 damn... this kills... the crab...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:39:30 2018 No.3355152 File: 113 KB, 500x333, tumblr_inline_n910czJ6MS1rqb8tl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355150 I hope so. Lobster>Crab

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:39:31 2018 No.3355151 >>3355135 NOOOO IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR TURN CRABBROS....

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 07:41:13 2018 No.3355153 >>3355152 i want sex

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 08:01:41 2018 No.3355171 File: 20 KB, 574x430, 1521344984947.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355152 Will I get girls like them if I get good?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 08:13:29 2018 No.3355174 >>3355128 Except you learn fundamentals by drawing them. Are there really such idiots around here that think learning fundamentals means just studying books without drawing what you study LMAO?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 08:13:58 2018 No.3355175 >calling rocks organic did this guy even go to school?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 08:21:47 2018 No.3355180 >>3355171 As many as you want, anon. As many as you want...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 08:38:33 2018 No.3355184 >>3355171 Yes you will okay? Now go to bed and dream of loomis. Good night anon love you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 08:39:20 2018 No.3355185 >>3355171 you can even get them now it's called escort girls

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 08:44:52 2018 No.3355190 >>3355171 no

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 08:48:38 2018 No.3355193 File: 1.27 MB, 306x449, giphy (1).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355171 Yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 08:57:08 2018 No.3355196 crabs on suicide watch

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 09:36:48 2018 No.3355227 File: 62 KB, 1920x1080, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355117 Crabs wouldn't even know how to keep up

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 09:38:06 2018 No.3355229 >>3355152 What's this? Does Feng employ this tactic to hook in virgin shit artists?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 09:56:08 2018 No.3355241 File: 55 KB, 331x402, 1458851203993.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355229 Yeah, he should employ 50% male hosts! Same with instructors! Gosh, I hope at least half of students are female!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 10:00:19 2018 No.3355245 >>3355229 no i think he mainly does it because he wants to have pretty girls around. i'm sure he thinks it's a business decision but little feng is in charge.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 10:00:55 2018 No.3355246 >>3355117 >tfw feng was the one posting "just draw" on /ic/ s-senpai

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 10:09:54 2018 No.3355258 >>3355117 Meanwhile, people learn how to trace and do a pretty render and actually make it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 10:12:35 2018 No.3355262 >>3355117 That was a good video, pretty much sums up everything when it comes to "just draw" thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 10:15:38 2018 No.3355268 >>3355258 Sure anon, sure. Now get back to tracing, I'm sure you will go far and beyond this way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 10:21:50 2018 No.3355282 File: 441 KB, 1500x773, 1520040007720.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355258 (You)

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 10:24:31 2018 No.3355286 >>3355125 D-does Feng browse /ic/? How did he know about just draw guy. Unless he is just draw guy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 10:31:37 2018 No.3355299 >>3355128 kek... I can already see your shit drawings...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 10:32:20 2018 No.3355302 File: 6 KB, 255x126, wa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355282 What's this thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 10:37:19 2018 No.3355313 >>3355302 It's the 3rd greatest drawing tool right next to the pencil and eraser because it allows you to use an overhand grip. You're missing out a lot if you don't know this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 11:09:18 2018 No.3355356 >>3355117 As a crab, this video angers me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 11:10:52 2018 No.3355358 File: 1003 KB, 1900x1091, 1414266718290.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355258 Still trying to crab despite that DC Episode.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 11:12:20 2018 No.3355360 File: 111 KB, 580x923, fang zoo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355117 BASED Feng

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 11:12:57 2018 No.3355363 >>3355302 It's called a sandpaper block. Google its use.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 11:14:33 2018 No.3355365 >>3355302 looks like sone kind of graphite smearing tool

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 11:31:38 2018 No.3355395 >>3355117 >"Let's not worry about fundamentals" BTFO!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:06:12 2018 No.3355445 >>3355258 designers trace hard too >>3355358 what DC ep? what did i miss

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:08:09 2018 No.3355447 >>3355302 It probably serves multiple functions but the main one seems to be the hole in the end, you look through it to isolate colours and values so you can accurately copy them on your palette

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:18:54 2018 No.3355454 >>3355128 >Excuses to not drawing >especially the fundies meme >Fundamentals >meme Want to know how we know you're not going to make it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:19:00 2018 No.3355455 >>3355128 It's like he made this for /ic/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:23:34 2018 No.3355462 File: 55 KB, 586x651, 1518229239047.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355128

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:25:10 2018 No.3355465 >>3355454 Yes, grinding fundies is a meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:27:25 2018 No.3355467 >>3355465 I sincerely hope you're actually grinding fundamentals before you even think about beginning to draw, stop shitposting and get back to drawing those boxes in mechanical perspective it's not just a meme you imbecile.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:28:49 2018 No.3355470 >>3355152 So which one of them is Feng?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:39:25 2018 No.3355482 File: 83 KB, 1024x773, lbstr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355445 Design Cinema Episode >>3355465 Hope you really believe that. You crabs make is to much easier for rest of students. LOBSTERS BEAT CRABS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:39:44 2018 No.3355483 File: 106 KB, 350x319, thosetears.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Glad I never fell for the fundamentals meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:42:57 2018 No.3355490 >>3355483 post your work.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:43:36 2018 No.3355492 File: 68 KB, 300x300, profile_picture_by_jeremeyprickles-d6i7vc2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355490

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:45:15 2018 No.3355493 >>3355492 Stop projecting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:53:10 2018 No.3355500 >>3355483 >>3355492 we can see that you never did crab

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:58:11 2018 No.3355507 >>3355492 kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:11:04 2018 No.3355524 File: 1.50 MB, 4601x2365, 1469906784474.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355117 >>3355128 KEK Its like he went to /ic/ and took all the crabs post based as always

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:16:17 2018 No.3355534
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>>3355524

Yup, I am actually thinking about making a guide on how to learn fundamentals with some tips from me, I think it might be a way to help some of IC to better themselves and aim for a some goal in life. Maybe someone would make it, who knows.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:20:59 2018 No.3355539

>>3355465
>>3355395
Yeah that's why the first thing they teach you the moment you step in their school is perspective and lots of pages of boxes.

Sure as hell he doesn't tell you to not practice your fundies but to not use them as an excuse to never draw and do other things besides them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:34:30 2018 No.3355561 >>3355117 >it's been a year since the last design cinema whoa

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:46:23 2018 No.3355577 >>3355128 >That first excuse The amount of topics I've seen in regards to that very first excuse. Holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:53:34 2018 No.3355584 File: 488 KB, 1455x903, skull.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355117 I followed along. Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:57:20 2018 No.3355588 >>3355128 >>3355130 >>3355174 >>3355454 >>3355465 >>3355483 >>3355539 doing studies and exercises out of fundie texts requires drawing though. how do you learn fundamentals WITHOUT starting to draw? what the hell does the first statement mean??

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:58:34 2018 No.3355591 >>3355588 >he hasn't been to /beg/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:04:11 2018 No.3355599 >>3355591 i don't see how a group of people stumbling through the basic fundies by drawing stuff explains the paradoxical statement of "learning the fundamentals before starting drawing"

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:04:55 2018 No.3355600 >>3355584 gmi 9 more

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:13:46 2018 No.3355606 >>3355117 Haven’t been to ic in a while,wtf is this crab thing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:14:46 2018 No.3355609 >>3355606 It's like NGMI but even worse.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:16:10 2018 No.3355610 >>3355606 Anons who refuse to learn fundamentals and put hours in. You will see same anons stay beg tier for years, those are ones who will never make it. Also applies to furry cancer crabs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:20:09 2018 No.3355615 >>3355609 >>3355610 Thanks for the info. This place just won’t change huh

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:26:01 2018 No.3355626

>>3355606
>>3355615
the phrase was derived from the concept of how when crabs are caught and placed in a bucket, they could easily help each other and escape, but pull each other down so that none of them can escape instead. it fit the mentality of some users on /ic/ because the advice and critiques they gave wasn't helpful to others. however, each artist has their own goals and methods of learning that work best for them, so crab now just means "an individual who opposes your personal philosophies or goals."

example: someone who wants to study to become an illustrator might want to build connections with certain groups of people that are very different from someone who wants to make a living drawing porn. the income streams are different, and when these two users argue about how to best generate revenue and a fanbase, the things they say best apply to their own situation. each user will perceive the other user to be a "crab."

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:29:13 2018 No.3355631 >>3355626 This is I think we should have separate boards for concept design, illustration and other (animation/ animu/ furry etc).

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:30:37 2018 No.3355634 >>3355584 Use smaller brush, also work a bit more on teeth. Otherwise great job, do more now.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:31:19 2018 No.3355635

>>3355631
wouldn't solve anything. even in concept art someone who's studying to draw creatures might say someone else's mech designs are shit, someone who does a lot of movie studies to draw keys might get called for studying useless stuff by someone who does a lot of 3D work to create enviros.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:33:03 2018 No.3355640 >>3355626 >pulling each other down instead of helping This is ic without a doubt.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:37:56 2018 No.3355643

>>3355640
yeah but we have to remember that unhelpful stuff isn't always posted with ill intent. i still think /ic/ is a great place for resources and I've learned a lot by being on here. you just gotta seperate the useful stuff from useless stuff and not get bogged down by negativity, perceived or otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 15:06:15 2018 No.3355669 File: 55 KB, 196x305, 1503287492288.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355117 >Crabs need not to watch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 15:54:44 2018 No.3355712 File: 1.73 MB, 330x312, 1414277497179.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw you're a crab and this video came out

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 15:57:11 2018 No.3355718 >>3355588 Shut it, crab!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:04:40 2018 No.3355726 >>3355128 How the fuck do you learn fundamentals BEFORE drawing. Like spending time watching videos and reading books instead of drawing? You need to have some kind of brain defect to actually think that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:19:15 2018 No.3355731 >>3355128 /ic/ BTFO desu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:41:34 2018 No.3355805 File: 257 KB, 1000x707, day 1a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I tried

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:47:59 2018 No.3355810 >>3355718 see >>3355599 explain feng's first point, sweetie

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:49:18 2018 No.3355812 >>3355805 Damn, this is good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:52:53 2018 No.3355815 >>3355805 L-LOOMIS!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:03:29 2018 No.3355826 >>3355805 >Feng can actually save NGMIs and crabs This wasn't supposed to happen.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:25:17 2018 No.3355857

>>3355117
>don't do fanart or copy others because you'll pick up 'bad habits' and even be accused of being an impersonator
What did he mean by this? Then after that he's like
>style will come naturally but it'll be much harder to try and copy someone else's style so 'just be yourself'
Which seems to make sense but contradicts the previous line.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:32:20 2018 No.3355864 >>3355810 he explains every point at the start of the video

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:33:55 2018 No.3355867

>>3355857
I hate that statement, cause then you have people in the industry like Don Bluth, John K, and Stephen Silver who say "monkey see, monkey do" and suggest copying your fav art so you can figure out why you like said specific piece or artists so much.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:35:21 2018 No.3355869

>>3355857
How do they've contradict each other? He's saying don't focus on copying other peoples style and just focus on learning how to draw from real world references. As you get better you'll progressively fall into your own unique style without having to consciously chase other people's styles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:37:36 2018 No.3355871 >>3355869 Depends on the style. When cartooning, Life makes for a great inspiration. However, there isn't anything wrong with seeing an appealing style and trying to replicate it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:56:03 2018 No.3355888 >>3355805 Nice, keep going! Lobsters>Craps

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:57:29 2018 No.3355890 >>3355867 Literally whos. It's about concept design here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:57:54 2018 No.3355892 >the chad lobster >the virgin crab

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:00:09 2018 No.3355896 File: 97 KB, 960x737, 123134234234.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355890 >Calling Don a literal who Lurk more and work on your bait, anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:02:21 2018 No.3355901 >>3355896 Never heard of him. But he is doing animation, so I guess if I ever decide to learn more about that along with cartoons and other non concept design things I will learn about Don literal Who then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:04:40 2018 No.3355905 File: 275 KB, 685x466, best-don-bluth-movies.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355901 Forgot to attach a pic

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:19:10 2018 No.3355924 File: 80 KB, 800x600, 1468091316179.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where were you when Feng "Culling the Crustacean Jew" Zhu btfo the crabs?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:52:05 2018 No.3355958 File: 64 KB, 700x424, skull.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] apologize

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 19:53:39 2018 No.3355960 >>3355958 Looks nice, I am especially impressed since it is traditional!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 01:29:59 2018 No.3356217 File: 16 KB, 220x309, 1406760481171.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why are Lobsters better than Crabs?

Anonymous Fri Mar 23 04:15:13 2018 No.3356319

>>3355302
Piece of sand paper on a stick basically. Allows you to shape your pencil (usually charcoal but others are fine). Combined with a knife or a razor it's used for sharpening pencils in place of a traditional sharpener. The main benefit is mostly control of line weight and texture.

Obligatory proko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_W9sZ8S7RM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 05:04:16 2018 No.3356349 >>3355171 year dear friend, all you want, just grind for now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 06:05:52 2018 No.3356381 >>3355584 >>3355805 >>3355958 Do moa!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 06:59:03 2018 No.3356409 File: 32 KB, 621x583, 60819801.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3356217 Lobster is patrician food Crab is for plebs

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 07:26:47 2018 No.3356428 >>3355117 Based Feng roasting all of /ic/ kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 08:01:03 2018 No.3356458 >>3355492 Blog?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 08:54:21 2018 No.3356505 Does anyone know what canson paper he is talking about that is toned so you can do white highlights etc?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 09:13:50 2018 No.3356513 File: 200 KB, 1000x707, feng.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can see the light out of the bucket... Master Feng take me home to the place I belong

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 09:20:37 2018 No.3356520 >>3356513 Proud of you, fellow Lobster- kun!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 09:21:15 2018 No.3356521 >>3356513 NOOOOOOO WTF CRABBROS WE CAN'T LET HIM ESCAPE WE NEED TO DRAG HIM BACK DOWNN

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 09:24:22 2018 No.3356523 File: 131 KB, 1200x677, 1438635716578.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3356521 You have no power over us. We go, have fun down the bucket

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 09:28:07 2018 No.3356527 >>3356523 NOOOOOO NOooooo nooooo... i dont want to be left alone ;-;

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 09:29:18 2018 No.3356528 File: 350 KB, 700x700, 1479381633193.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3356513 REEEEEEE >>3356521 IT'S TOO LATE CRABBRO

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 09:29:57 2018 No.3356529 >>3356527 >alone That's not what you should be worried about, crab- kun. Grab that stylus, become lobster- senpai

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 10:14:55 2018 No.3356564 >>3355447 kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 10:16:49 2018 No.3356565 >>3355584 Watch the line weight a bit more, thin the lines on stuff that isn't at the front to give it more depth, work more on the inner teeth they look less polished than the rest. Now go do more, good work

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 10:19:12 2018 No.3356568 >>3355958 liking your hatching, keep it up

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 12:57:01 2018 No.3356713 The fanart part is really bogus, but then again this may be more related towards concept designers and not so much for animators or those who do heavy cartooning.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 13:13:28 2018 No.3356727 >>3356513 Good stuff brah. What resolution and brush size are you working with?

Anonymous Fri Mar 23 13:21:29 2018 No.3356742

>>3355869

This doesn't make much sense to me. I challenge you to name a single top tier illustrator who's work is not in some apparent sense a iteration of previous and contemporary peers. Unless you grew up in complete isolation from modern western civilization you're going to have a continuous stream of cultural influences from when you're born. Pretty much all classical illustrators developed their signature styles by first imitating others. And don't think it stops at illustration. Life drawing (and painting) is just as influenced by trends and movements.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 13:23:08 2018 No.3356745 >>3356742 >illustrator This thread is not about that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 13:23:54 2018 No.3356748 >>3356713 It makes even LESS sense for concept artists who want to work in the entertainment industry. Hell FZD is based on shitting out cloned students for God's sake. >>3356742

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 13:35:28 2018 No.3356756 >>3356748 oh right, I never thought about that.

Anonymous Fri Mar 23 13:36:48 2018 No.3356757

>>3356742
He said that it's okay to have clear influences, his advice is more directed to people who desperately chase specific styles of artist they like and this will instead hurt their progress and add unnecessary "pressure".
It's fine to be influenced by other artists, but let it come naturally instead of choking yourself with it, is basically what he's saying

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:01:06 2018 No.3356782 File: 96 KB, 545x437, 1521229976198.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3356513 I HEAL I WANNA FEEL LIKE I'M CLOSE TO SOMETHING REAL I WANNA FIND SOMETHING I'VE WANTED ALL ALOOOOOOONG SOMEWHERE I BELONG

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:03:22 2018 No.3356785 >>3356757 I guess I should watch the damn video for myself then and see what his own words are.

Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:17:37 2018 No.3356796

>>3356757
Oh, you're right.
I believe the confusion comes from, how he brings it up a few times within the video in separate areas. Each time being more blunt on how much he's against the idea of fanart.

But yeah, I do recall this exact statement, so that makes more sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:37:01 2018 No.3356810 >>3356748 Concept artist are being paid to come up with ideas not copying other people. Also, why do you need to copy other peoples? >>3356742 The problem is that classical illustrators are not concept designers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:40:04 2018 No.3356812 >>3355117 I use the I just don't have the time to draw all the time excuse. The problem is that I just watch youtube videos or play league of legends all day. Save me /ic/. Nothing works.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:42:58 2018 No.3356814 >>3356812 Quit watching youtube and league. You just got Feng Zhu'd.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:50:27 2018 No.3356816 >>3356812 Give me your account and I can get it permabanned in a day. Then I will snipe you any time you try to queue up on a different account.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:53:25 2018 No.3356819 >>3356812 Maybe concept design industry isn't for you. Prove us wrong. Become a Lobster.

Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:59:57 2018 No.3356825

>>3356810
>Concept artist are being paid to come up with ideas not copying other people.
>Also, why do you need to copy other peoples?

Most concept art isn't unqiue and groundbreaking though. Just look at the current films and video games. How much risk taking and unique artistic vision do you see? Most of it is just more of the same with minor variations. Movies are specifically designed to look and sound samey and not stick out too much because it's safer that way. Concept art is not so much about having a unique vision as making competent iterations of what's already popular.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 15:07:45 2018 No.3356837 >>3356812 I uninstalled league years ago, the game is a huge waste of time you're never going to make it into LCS or something anyway, ranked are just useless frustration playing with friends is fun but in the end it's wasted time

Anonymous Fri Mar 23 15:41:25 2018 No.3356890

>>3356812
The last game I've played was The Witcher 3 when it's first came out this is after I've been playing most of my life. When I got really serious about art I just couldn't waste my time. And it was hard for me to do so especially that all my friends are still playing the latest games, but it has to be done, no other way around it.

For some reason I still keep up on video game news though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 16:46:41 2018 No.3356943 >>3356812 you like the idea of being an artist rather than being an artist until you drop videogames (which are an objective waste of time anyway) nothing's going to change

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 16:47:33 2018 No.3356945 >>3355826 This. Goddamit Feng.

Anonymous Fri Mar 23 17:06:37 2018 No.3356965
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>>3356943
>addicted to WoW to escape life and the inevitable grind
>"just 30 more minutes"
>"I'll make it once I get started, I'm a creative genius, I have so many ideas"
>shit on popular artists I dislike
>been this way for next to a year
>listened to Feng Zhus based harsh words
>cant stop thinking about it
>realize I have been quite literally a crab for all this time
>never made progress, but browse /ic/ to feel like I belong in a community of artists
>cant find peace in a fake reality vidya anymore now
>cant escape reality anymore
I'm sitting at my desk doing fuckall. Shit. I'm not sleeping until I get started.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 17:17:34 2018 No.3356973 >>3356965 meh

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 17:31:31 2018 No.3356985 File: 76 KB, 648x600, skull.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3356381

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 17:47:22 2018 No.3356998 File: 496 KB, 500x275, giphy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3356965 Do it. Be 1%. Lobster among crabs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 17:50:58 2018 No.3357002 >>3356985 NICE! 3/4 view is so much more difficult, you have balls so don't stop now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 17:54:57 2018 No.3357008 File: 222 KB, 1024x1820, really anon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355171 Getting gud is the optimum path to qt gf

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 17:56:24 2018 No.3357011 >>3357008 Who is this cutie

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 18:05:45 2018 No.3357018 Lets face the fact none of us are going to make it. >>3357008 How can you have a qt gf and grind 15 hours a day? Its impossible. Why even do art.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 18:09:54 2018 No.3357020 >>3357018 Already faced that fact for all throughout life. Now it's time to realize facts can't be disproven and changed. Also just like working, do your own thing but enjoy each others company.

Anonymous Fri Mar 23 18:16:09 2018 No.3357028
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>>3357011
Center of KKK46 (Keyakizaka46)

Get onboard Nogizaka 46 instead. Especially support KTK.

>>3357008

+1. Also you want to be able to support a family you will start with athat qt that awaits for you in the future. Focus on getting gud for now. Get rewarded in the future.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 18:16:30 2018 No.3357030 >>3356890 >even caring about video games in 2018 lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 19:04:23 2018 No.3357066 File: 225 KB, 600x513, f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3356985 Tried to make it more gestural.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 19:21:37 2018 No.3357080 >>3357028 But why Nogizaka 46

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 19:40:59 2018 No.3357096 >>3357018 No, you get the qt gf after you become gud.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 20:16:15 2018 No.3357130 >>3356513 >>3356505 Pls someone tell me what canson paper has this tone/texture for traditonal. Or even just any brand with similar tone.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 20:26:55 2018 No.3357142 local ching chong man kills /international crabs/

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 21:08:33 2018 No.3357195 File: 929 KB, 900x788, 32318 ROCKPAGE.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] In Feng I trust.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 21:32:47 2018 No.3357219 File: 85 KB, 719x960, thecrabfearsthesamurai.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3357142 Why does the Asian hate us so much?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 22:18:28 2018 No.3357252 File: 80 KB, 736x492, d5adbd10076df8669a4fa5336ca0880c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3355135

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 22:21:19 2018 No.3357256 >>3357018 Fuckin dumbass it's called ignoring her and being a dick. Girls like that kinda shit. Then when you fuck her she will appreciate it way more than some clingy dude who annoys the piss out of his girl nonstop

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 22:25:53 2018 No.3357262 >>3357018 How is spending all day every day bettering yourself NOT going to land you in an ocean of wicked hot slash?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 22:32:15 2018 No.3357268 >>3355588 He means ONLY drawing for fundamental practice, I believe. Like those dudes who just do pages and pages of circles all day and never actually try to draw real shit

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 00:24:59 2018 No.3357367

Been looking for an opprotunity to post this from Robert Henri's "The Art Spirit"

>The real study of technique is not the acquirement of a vast stock of pat phrases, but rather the avoidance of such, and the creation of a phrase special to the idea. To accomplish this, one must first have the idea and then active inventive wit to make the specifying phrase. This places the idea prior to the technique as a cause for the latter, contrary to the academic idea, which is the reverse.

>I am saying this with reference to the “hard grind” and “grammar” ideas. Hard grind! I was in art schools for three years before I really began the struggle with mind and body to do something with my faculties other than the sheer mechanical process of eye and steady hand assisted by several judgment-saving tools such as plumbline and stick with notches in it.

>I know the “hard grind” and the “grammar” study both here and in Paris, and while I was in it I was regarded as typical, for I was anxious, and I worked all day and all evening.
From my own experience I know that “mindless drudgery” would be a better name than “hard grind,” and that “idle industry” would be equally descriptive of such work.

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 00:26:32 2018 No.3357369

>>3357367
>There are at present, all over the world, art students sitting meekly at their work copying external appearances in whatever is the fashion of the school in which they work, copying lines and tints of models of which they have no idea, no understanding, for which they have no respect, no enthusiasm, putting off to some future day that sensitive appreciation, that grasping of significance, that announcing of a special evidence of their own about the matter,simply “hard grinding!” Maybe the name is not so bad. Like a mill stone! Learning technique! Technique of what? For the expression of what? Studying construction? Construction of what? What a deception!

>Those meek students, plodding away, afraid to use their intelligence lest they make mistakes, have a faith that after so much virtuous humble tint and line copying, years of it, the gift of imagination, the power to say things the world is in need of hearing for profit or pleasure and the special management of the medium, will be handed to them as a diploma is handed to a graduate.

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 00:27:33 2018 No.3357370

>>3357367
>>3357369
>The man who becomes a master starts out by being master of such as he has, and the man who is master at any time of such as he has is at that time straining every faculty. What he learns then from his experience is fundamental, constructive, to the point. His wits are being used and are being formed into the habit of usage.

>He is working on his direct road. His “grind” is hard. His brain as well as his body is taxed to the limit, but his “hard grind” is not a dull grind. For he is grinding something. He is studying grammar because he needs it, and needing it he studies with greater wit, and knows it when he finds it.

>This “going slow,” this “hard grind,” this study of “grammar” as understood in Julian’s Academy and in the academies that have sprung from Julian’s is too easy. There is not in it the “hard grind” that makes a man find himself and invent special language for his personal expression.

>I am for drawing and for construction, for continued and complete study, acquirement of firm foundation. But the drawing I am interested in is the drawing that draws something, the construction which constructs. And the idea to be expressed must be at least worthy of the means.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 00:28:25 2018 No.3357371 >>3357367 I don't understand. Explain again.

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 00:32:32 2018 No.3357377

>>3357367
>>3357369
>>3357370
I also feel the need to add that Henri's school experience he was talking about took place in 1886, roughly 132 years ago, so the idea of "grinding fundaments to git gud" is apparently an old one.

Hopefully you guys take some meaning from this passage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 01:16:32 2018 No.3357432 >>3357377 I think I understand what he's trying to say...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 03:01:47 2018 No.3357529 >>3357370 bae poster. The fundamentals are learned to aid what you actually want to draw, vs grinding them mindlessly in the hopes of getting better with no real application of the result. Did I understand this correctly?

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 06:27:50 2018 No.3357654
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>>3357066

>>3357195

Proud of you!

>>3357080

Because:

-akb should be disbanded after Yuko's graduation

-Rest of 48's are cancer

-You are left with Team 8 (aka Team P8do, the most pointless of all, those are crabs of all groups)

-Keyakizaka 46 (This is second best group to support, especially Sugai Sama, but Neru seems to be popular too)

-Nogizaka46 (this should be your choice, for Kotoko alone it is worthy of support, but there are some other great members; watch NOGIBINGO or any other variety show to confirm, Nishino Nanase can draw better than 99% of IC's crabs)

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 07:36:09 2018 No.3357692
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I see that more people are doing locations than just fucking rocks and I feel like an idiot. Also, there are people that jacked his photo-texture. would you be able to share? is it a high-rez or just a screenshot from the video?

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 08:46:56 2018 No.3357765

>>3357529
Essentially. If you have something you want to do or make, then /do/ it, /make/ it. Don't keep putting it off because you think you need to get better, or you're not good enough. The "slow grind" is all about moving from one fundamental to the next thinking you have to master each on in succession, doing nothing but the dullest of work. The actual "hard grind" is learning what you need to learn and applying it to work you want to do, and doing it all the time.

This line is the most accurate description most posters of this board, because they've made drawing art in general such a miserable experience:
>There are at present, all over the world, art students sitting meekly at their work copying external appearances in whatever is the fashion of the school in which they work, copying lines and tints of models of which they have no idea, no understanding, for which they have no respect, no enthusiasm...
>Those meek students, plodding away, afraid to use their intelligence lest they make mistakes, have a faith that after so much virtuous humble tint and line copying, years of it, the gift of imagination, the power to say things the world is in need of hearing for profit or pleasure and the special management of the medium, will be handed to them as a diploma is handed to a graduate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 08:57:29 2018 No.3357776 >>3357080 naruto OP

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 09:08:10 2018 No.3357783

>>3356812
I used to be like that. You have to invest emotionally into art more, find an art circle, make friends with other artists, watch more art related videos instead. Nothing gets me more art-frenzy than seeing kids that are 5 years younger than me making art that's almost better than mine, or is outright better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 10:32:36 2018 No.3357872 File: 251 KB, 430x364, 1448928667171.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3357765 Thanks for that post, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 14:31:53 2018 No.3358141 >>3355358 >That image Still get a good laugh out of that from time to time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 14:36:21 2018 No.3358146 >>3358141 What's funny?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 14:37:27 2018 No.3358147 >>3358146 Go and search for it in the archives...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 15:46:23 2018 No.3358248 Where can i get that canson texture he draws on?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:08:36 2018 No.3358363 File: 120 KB, 1278x715, 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm going to do this straight with a ballpoint let's see if I'll suck less in a couple of months.

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:14:12 2018 No.3358369

>>3355117

People forget that he talks about his "students" and those who are in a school environment not some guy trying to learn by himself.

Of course forget about fundamentals when you have professional teachers holding your hand and in a competitive environment where you can focus just on your drawings.

His advice is for people who go to school not YOU anon who are learning from scratch without a teacher and can't afford to pay through school.

You can still listen to him but don't take his words as the ultimate answer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:27:44 2018 No.3358384 >>3357529 >>3357765 what could go wrong if you grind fundies and get really good at drawing body/perspective/shading etc?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:31:06 2018 No.3358386 >>3358369 He never said to forget about them, anyone who say this is not worth listening to he said to study but also apply them by drawing not just reading 20 books and thinking you're making it without applying them on actual drawings

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:31:23 2018 No.3358388 >>3358369 Did you even watch the video? He says that the advice is specifically for people studying on their own at 3 minutes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:33:08 2018 No.3358391 >>3358248 I was asking too and no one will answer us bro. I can't even find a paper that canson do that looks similar at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:42:32 2018 No.3358401 >>3358384 Fundies are only there to help your current work. It isn't a means to an end. If you're grinding fundies for the sake of grinding, you learn nothing.

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:43:43 2018 No.3358403
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>>3358369
people like you are stupid as fuck and are like a brick wall when it comes to learning anything. Nothing is black and white, someone says something and you take from it what helps you and move on..instead you nay say everything and stay 100% stubborn with your Loomis mindset. It's why you'll never enjoy anything, you'll never make progress, have fun being miserable the rest of your life. People like you act like my fuckin crazy grandma. THE WORLD IS OVER, OH WOE IS ME ETC.

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:50:12 2018 No.3358417

You guys are retarded and impossible and lack basic listening skills that you should have acquired a long time ago. Do you not know how to listen to someone speak? He's saying forget about the fundamentals and listen to the point he's trying to make. You need to draw and stop worrying about not being good enough and just fucking do it. He never fucking said "ignore the fundamentals for the rest of your life, they mean nothing" he said that you need to be drawing all the time, and study when you can actually apply it. That is how you get better at art. If you're studying cars you're not going to get better by just reading books all day. Actually get under a car and do some work. Reference a book when you need to answer a question. THAT DOESN'T MEAN OH GOD HE SAID I CAN NEVER STUSY AGAIN IN FUCKING DOOMED. You people take everything to the fucking extreme and in your close minded world there is no middle ground or room for any sort of interpretation. Stop being so stupid holy shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:52:25 2018 No.3358420 >>3358403 >>3358417 stfu preachy dumbasses

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:53:42 2018 No.3358424 >>3358420 Then stop being so fuckin dumb u little bitch

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:55:58 2018 No.3358428 >>3358424 speak for yourself retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:56:08 2018 No.3358429 He's obviously saying stop studying cause he knows hundreds of people will listen and he needs his students to be the most successful so if he can knock everyone else off track by misinforming that mean more success for him and his school.

Anonymous Sat Mar 24 18:04:37 2018 No.3358437

>>3358429
I'm sorry what? If you draw from images or real life you WILL get better even if you don't understand the fundamentals. He also mentioned penship which is absolutely im,portat skill and you can only get it from drawing a lot of things around you. Somthing Kim Jung Gi is really good at.

Fundamentals are important but you should do them for a couple of months and come back to them from time to time. Drawing things is what you're going to do the most. His video is really helpful. What's with the conspiracy theory shit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 18:06:02 2018 No.3358440 >>3358437 >penship Penmanship

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 22:58:30 2018 No.3358666 >>3358440 >penmanship penpersonship you fucking shitlord

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 01:46:51 2018 No.3358796 File: 11 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3356217 Because lobster dominance is OLDER THAN TREES

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 01:53:46 2018 No.3358801 File: 263 KB, 624x348, unknown.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] decided to study some rocks as well after watching

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 09:41:42 2018 No.3359229 >>3358801 Give us more!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 12:08:29 2018 No.3359399 >>3358428 mad cumbax brah

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 12:19:41 2018 No.3359403 >>3359229 no

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 12:21:19 2018 No.3359406 >>3359403 gomen, ne

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 15:33:56 2018 No.3359661 >tfw everything in this thread is better than my attempts What to do bros? How can I get good?

Anonymous Sun Mar 25 15:56:44 2018 No.3359700

>>3358388
and every example he used is based on his students or people from his school. the guy learn from school. he never and doesn't know how it feels to learn by yourself. I would only take advice or learn from artist who didn't have their rich parent to pay for school.

also the biggest part for his success is his connections. not his creativity. when people think of him they don't think about his art.

take a moment and really digest that anon...

Anonymous Sun Mar 25 16:25:17 2018 No.3359730

>>3359661
I posted itt and I'm pretty shit. Just do what Feng said lad, don't care about what it looks like and keep drawing. If the study doesn't look good it doesn't matter that's why it's called a study, just keep pumping them out. If you do the amount of drawing Feng recommends and work your way up to trees,skulls,rudimentary architecture, etc you'll improve in no time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 16:30:19 2018 No.3359744 In one of his Q&As Feng Zhu said Loomis is pretty good for learning anatomy and so on. Do people here hate on him for that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 16:45:29 2018 No.3359776 >>3359744 The reasons why people hate Feng Zhu on here is his die hard working mentality. And that also stems from the fact that different things work for different people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 16:59:34 2018 No.3359789 It's so boring to draw outlines I just really can't get into studies.

Anonymous Sun Mar 25 17:14:30 2018 No.3359807

>>3359776
>The reasons why people hate Feng Zhu on here is his die hard working mentality
Wrong newfag, Feng does some scandalous shit. From coworkers, students, to former employees, we know he's cheap abusive and loves to put up a front. But if you only listen to his glorified advertisements (aka podcasts) you'd think he was some pulled from the bootstrap self made man. In reality his parents are doctors, he grew up in a wealthy white suburb, and his entire education was paid for. Most likely his business ventures were funded by his parents too, but hey just work hard and go to his school and you too can make it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 17:16:59 2018 No.3359811 >>3359807 Literally no one here cares about shit like that. This is not the intouch forum.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 17:18:48 2018 No.3359814 >>3359807 >taking gossip as truth No one gives a shit. Feng has been putting up hours and hours of free art resources before anyone else even thought to do it and even though he's successful as fuck he's still making new content whenever he can.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 17:20:11 2018 No.3359818 >>3359811 >>3359814 >taking the word of people who've spent extensive time with him as truth >vs taking his own self aggrandizing words Lmfao no one cares what retards like you have to say

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 17:23:40 2018 No.3359823 >>3359776 This. He's in the sticky for 16 hours meme. And in his video recommends you draw almost everyday for three hours from nine to eleven. If /ic/ is really the poorfags they are, they would say this isn't possible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:16:18 2018 No.3359990 >>3355117 >>3355128 so is this the new testament? basically contradicts everything /ic/ has stood for until now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:19:13 2018 No.3359996 >>3359990 People will always make excuses. It's nothing new. Nothing revolutionary. Those who do it will continue to do it despite this video. Those who don't will keep on drawing like always.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:23:30 2018 No.3359999 >>3359996 >It's nothing new. Nothing revolutionary. it literally says to abandon fundamentals and just wing it how can i reconcile this with the sticky, /beg/, and artbook thread?

Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:25:25 2018 No.3360003

>>3355588
>>3355726
How are you not getting this? he's saying you shouldn't stress yourself with fundamentals when you're starting out. Draw for fun, fill sketchbooks with shitty sketches of your ideas, see if you like doing it. Starting the grind to get better without a purpose other than "gitting gud" will burn you out fast.

The excuse means people DON'T draw their favorite things and cool ideas they have in their minds because they think their skill level is not good enough, that they must study for months or years to gain the achievement of "being good enough to draw a drawing for myself" which is utter bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:27:35 2018 No.3360005 >>3360003 /ic/- start with loomis fun with a pencil first lesson is constructing heads and drawing faces feng- avoid drawing people and faces at all costs draw rocks and bugs instead both cant be right. one must be lying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:27:48 2018 No.3360006 >>3359661 Get How to draw pfd and practice. Report 6 months later for more advice. >>3359999 I am sorry (I mean it) but you will never make it if that's the message you got from that video. I truly hope you are just crabbing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:30:41 2018 No.3360012 >>3359999 the fuck is wrong with all you spergs? he doesn't say not to study the fundamentals, just not to grind the fundies to the exclusion of everything else, start drawing for fun before you get into grinding, fzd is all about grinding

Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:32:51 2018 No.3360018

>>3360005
>feng- avoid drawing people and faces at all costs draw rocks and bugs instead
I haven't watched the video so I don't know if he specifically says to draw this or that. But if that's the case, both are wrong. Draw what you want to draw and improve on it. You don't have to draw faces if the main reason you started drawing is to design outfits, or draw animals. Pick your specific path and just fucking do it. AFTER you enjoy it enough, start learning. But don't force yourself to learn if you don't even like art to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:33:57 2018 No.3360021 >>3360012 He is either too low IQ to comprehend set of messages (that's surprisingly high % of total population, IT CANNOT BE IMPROVED), or he is just another crab. In both cases there is nothing we can do.

Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:46:46 2018 No.3360038

>>3360018
>You don't have to draw faces if the main reason you started drawing is to design outfits, or draw animals

so im supposed to be a fan of something before becoming an artist? but what if i dont like any specific thing like animals or outfits can i still make it?

Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:49:40 2018 No.3360045

>>3360005

The sticky recommends right side of the brain and keys to drawing as first books, both are about basic observation skills, not just heads.

Fun with a pencil is just useful as an introduction to construction. Whether you're drawing heads or not, you need to understand construction.

The problem with /beg/ is that everyone wants to draw heads and figures when they start, and no matter how many times I tell someone to draw a tissue box or a banana, it never happens.

Nobody is 'lying' and there is no one right way to learn, quit being autistic.

Also, he is not saying you don't need to learn fundamentals, he's saying you shouldn't stop yourself from drawing just because you don't know what you're doing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:51:18 2018 No.3360046 >>3360018 He does say to draw whatever you want regardless, as long as you're putting mileage in. He just points out that faces and figures are very difficult and may be too frustrating, which is entirely true.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:51:54 2018 No.3360048 >>3360038 You're not supposed to be a fan of anything but ask yourself why you wanted to start drawing. Why exactly are you doing this? What do you want to bring out? even if it's just your waifu, it's some sort of goal. >>3360046 Then I agree.

Anonymous Sun Mar 25 22:34:41 2018 No.3360188

>>3356812
For me the thing that keeps me focused is just something as simple as caffeine pills, but I'll also admit I reached the point where games only make me mad, I hate most youtube content, anime has become predictable and boring, a quick shot with niche fetishes like me can only spend so much time masturbating, and I don't feel like reading a book, nigga.

But caffeine helps me concentrate, and when that wears off and I crash I find myself wanting to draw despite the lack of energy but not really knowing what to do with my time. L-Theanine pairs with it nicely too.

I recommend them both to any anons who find themselves losing focus after their warmups or only an hour of practice. For me the difference in the time spent drawing has been really vast. And no, I don't think energy drinks or a lot of Cola is a good substitute,. Maybe coffee with espresso shots but I think you'll agree a bottle of pills is more convenient. Would probably also help to lay off depressants like Marijuana and Alcohol too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 23:55:28 2018 No.3360251 >>3359811 He went to Princeton bro

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 23:58:31 2018 No.3360253 >>3360045 >no matter how many times I tell someone to draw a tissue box or a banana, it never happens. that's why Feng recomends the trees and rocks and stuff, it's more fun and ends up looking better than a banana or tissue box

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 00:05:51 2018 No.3360258 Jesus Christ the autism in this thread is outrageous

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 00:51:25 2018 No.3360286
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>>3357370
>The man who becomes a master starts out by being master of such as he has, and the man who is master at any time of such as he has is at that time straining every faculty

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 00:57:11 2018 No.3360288

>>3359789
I have this concern too. I understand the approach of 'just draw' but I can't shake the feeling that his approach will turn you into a photocopier. Am I meant to trust on blind faith that if I do enough of these they are going to be committed to a visual library or am I still going to be terrible at working from imagination and only able to produce good work with a reference image. I get the idea of drawing through forms and trying to understand your subject but that has it's limitations when you are working only with 2D photographs

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 00:59:46 2018 No.3360291 >>3360258 Snibbedi snabb!

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 01:56:39 2018 No.3360333
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>>3359807
I see this kind of post a lot and just want to toss my rebuttals out there:
>Feng does some scandalous shit
I have only ever heard "the victim's" side of the story, never Feng's own account of things. In fact the only time I have heard Feng weigh in on some controversy thrown at him was recently when he was accused of appropriating another artist's "format" for teaching design to more advanced students. Since you're the kind of seething faggot who obsesses over this stuff I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

Feng was accused of something like stalling the original creator and stealing a trade secret to get a jump on the market. I think those are very minor crimes that were blown out of proportion. Feng's argument is that there's enough room for both of them, they both have pedigrees that will attract students, and the maximum number of students they can both attract is limited both by the niche and the teaching method. I think that's all rather reasonable, but what is not is straight libel against Feng because apparently he sleeps with clients and whatnot to get jobs.

And I'm not trying to accuse people of lying either, though I've yet to read someone go after Feng with straight facts. Everyone tries to demonize him in rehtoric. But my issue is that when you start with the "Ben Muaro said this, Eduardo said that" it becomes a game of "he said she said" and there's no neutral party that can break the tie.

How is your own judge of character? If Feng is putting up a front, it's got to be the most insidious thing ever to be making hours long videos where he's drawing and making goofy noises but is really some Captain Planet tier capitalist villain.

1/3

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 01:57:39 2018 No.3360334
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>>3360333
>Glorified Advertisements
This has got to be one of the worst arguments I've ever seen, and I see it so fucking often (in that exact wording more often than not). Take a look at any of the videos he's done in the past year or two, they get almost no views compared to his older videos. Even the podcasts which were some of the most concise and information rich have nothing on old videos of him just painting. 20-50k views is nothing in terms of youtube. Not only that but if he really wanted to advertise his videos he wouldn't do them English, most of FZD's students aren't native English speakers. So a few hour long videos a couple times a year that only get 20-50 views each from a region that isn't the real money maker anymore is absolutely AWFUL advertising. It's even more awful advertising for a school because of everything Feng teaches in those videos makes actually going to FZD less and less necessary, even to the point he admits there's nothing he teaches that isn't in Scott Robertson's books.

And this is all on top of the fact that Feng constantly says you don't need a school, just solid practice. If his videos are advertisement they're some of the most honest and least manipulative advertisements I've ever seen.

And I can already hear the argument "If he only gets 1 student paying a 50k tuition out of a video it's worth it". Fair enough but by that logic he could put the barest minimum effort into his "advertisements" and achieve the same result. If he has a school with his name on it ANYTHING he does becomes an advertisement for that school.

2/3

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 01:58:41 2018 No.3360335

>>3360334
>you'd think he was some pulled from the bootstrap self made man
He has been completely upfront about the fact his parents are doctors and the sort of environment he grew up in. He's Asian American, do you really think he's trying to front that he grew up in a ghetto in the middle of nowhere? He's from exactly where it's most likely he's from: middle class California. And I'm with you on the sentiment. I too tend to think there's this bizarre almost nepotistic cycle where the majority of industry artists working today come from similar backgrounds, are at similar ages, and even many come from the same state! If concept art as an industry is homogeneous it's because the influential individuals in that industry are homogeneous in the kinds of lives they've lived. But that's a topic for a different time.

And he's also been completely upfront about the fact that he fell ass backwards into his job at a point in time where concept art for games was becoming more necessary because of improving rendering technology. In the 90s people with portfolios like his could get into an industry they'd be laughed out of today, and he owns up to that.

But what can't be understated is that, aside from some very old and dated GNOMON DVDs (some of which are even uploaded on his channel), Feng has put out more free content than ANY industry pro I can think of. He is literally a millionaire who sits down and draws like a fucking dork just because he likes to. He does not have a paywall in the form of Patreon, Gumroad, or anything else. He is not selling kitbash kits for $90, he is not a working pro that is selling speedpaint commentaries on Patreon, he isn't fucking Sparth of all people somehow feeling the need to graft every dime they can from people only trying to learn. Feng is the only pro that puts out a lot of free knowledge and experience on Youtube,

3/3

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 01:59:52 2018 No.3360337
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>>3360335
Ben Mauro even has a channel and he doesn't upload to it much. In fact his last video was a "Part 1" he never got around to making a Part 2 of. I understand Ben feels like he's been (no pun intended) screwed over by Feng but for someone who hasn't had anything to do with either of them professionally it's obvious which of the two has contributed more, volunteered more of their time, and done more good for beginners only trying to learn. You talk about how Feng screws people over, and maybe that's true, but he only screws over people who are the exact same kind of people you accuse Feng of being to discredit him: Daddy's money Art Center grads that have been in middle class their whole lives. He doesn't screw over the little guy, just people whose first taste of things not going their way was something Feng did.

Boo hoo, what a demon.

I know this was an autistically long post that only makes me look like a Fanboy or Feng himself but pic fucking related.

4/3 (yes I am retarded, not quite as much as yourself though)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 08:06:34 2018 No.3360671 Just think of what you could've drawn if you did that instead of arguing on an imageboard

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 08:28:35 2018 No.3360684 File: 8 KB, 400x400, 1499712409766.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3360337 You spent a lot of time and effort whining about some bullshit so I agree with your pic, you're pretty fuckin stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 08:41:34 2018 No.3360695 >>3360288 We've discuss this very problem in this thread. Read up, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 10:07:22 2018 No.3360759 >>3360333 >>3360334 >>3360335 >>3360337 is it worth reading all of this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 10:13:05 2018 No.3360769 >>3360759 Not Gonna Make It NEVER EVER VER ER R

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 10:20:53 2018 No.3360778 >>3360769 that's a a lot of text, if it's not worth reading I may aswell go back drawing

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 10:23:34 2018 No.3360781 >>3360778 i fucking guarantee you that you've spent more time looking at stupid shit on 4chan in the past 30 minutes. how slow do you read?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 10:30:03 2018 No.3360785 >>3360781 6 minutes for your 4 posts

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 10:30:56 2018 No.3360788

>>3355117
I feel like people on /ic/ misunderstand that video because of that studies part he especially did for people that are completely crippled by anxiety and need step by step instruction to wipe their asses.

What he said is correct and just doing drawing studies is good for the step one beginner but without practicing actual theory and instruction your progress will be painfully slow. Even his own video is theory, knowledge that you get and that will give you a better idea to study.

Doing tons of studies is great but pure reference studies are boring and inefficient as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 10:35:29 2018 No.3360791 Feng literally dislocated a girl's arm because she had the audacity to draw 15.75 hours one day instead of 16. What a monster.

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 10:51:01 2018 No.3360813

>>3355117
Feng is such a cuck. Why bother doing studies without learning some things that help with observational drawing first? That's why things like Keys to drawing get recommended as the first book, there is tons of great advice on how to tackle this stuff. Figuring it out on your own would take fucking years compared to a few weeks by learning from a good source.

The biggest crab is Feng Zhu himself. I even believe him when he says this is what his students are doing in the first weeks but it's a different matter entirely when you are in a classroom and can not only ask for advice all the time, you can also observe techniques of tons of different people, the instructor himself probably gives a lot of instruction on observational drawing too.

You really notice that Feng Zhu isn't in a teacher role. He probably just does some demos for the last term for the experienced students.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 10:54:28 2018 No.3360816 >>3360813 read the thread this already has been explained

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 10:59:15 2018 No.3360828 >>3360816 What has been explained? Feng doesn't even mention symbol drawing and shit like that. The advice "just draw" will leave any beginner in the dust. It's the same as saying just play the piano or just cook.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 11:00:47 2018 No.3360832 >>3360791 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 11:32:42 2018 No.3360874 I don't understand how I'm expected to draw at all when I work 20 hours a week and have a girlfriend. The only people who can get good at art are rich and live with parents obviously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 11:35:44 2018 No.3360880 >>3360874 I know what you mean bro I have 6 kids I gotta take care of and a girlfriend I can only draw stick figures pretty much but I wanted to see if I could learn to draw and become a concept artist I'm 45 years old and work at a gas station.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 11:38:03 2018 No.3360884 >>3360880 You can do it, don't give up. Get in shape and invest into healthy living because you'll need to live for at least 10 more years before you can make it though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 11:38:36 2018 No.3360886 >>3360874 20 hours of work a week is fucking nothing but a girlfriend can easily steal all your freetime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 11:42:52 2018 No.3360894 >>3360880 That sounds like a terrible life I would have an heroed after the first kid

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 11:46:08 2018 No.3360898 >>3360874 Same here, I'm president of Russia and my schedule is tight as fuck. Looks like I'm NGMI

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 11:46:48 2018 No.3360899
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>>3360874
Single
Worked part time to pay bills, eat rice and canned tuna and drank tap water for almost two years, also worked full time and drew after hours (since at one part time didn't give enough money)

work full time remote concept design now (almost 12 months now). Father was schizophrenic (died about half year ago) mother is a poor retired teacher.

Fight severe depression for over 30 years, tried to kill myself twice (both times before discovered concept design)

Also also all of that is happening in Poland.

Get your shit together

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 12:34:52 2018 No.3360971 >>3360791 kek, didn't she say it was 12 hours or so?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 12:35:49 2018 No.3360973 >>3360791 >>3360971 SourcE? looks funny

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 12:42:59 2018 No.3360988

>>3360334
Even if one of his main motives was advertising his school, I don't see where the problem is. He is giving out advice and information for free and people like watching it. People get so triggered about artists making lots of money because it highlights their own uselessness. I don't know where people pick up the opinion that making lots of money is somehow immoral. The world is not a zero-sum game.

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 12:43:03 2018 No.3360990

>>3360973
Here. Gal that studied at FZD came to deliver some help and information to /ic/. She fucked up her shoulders and hands in the process and taped pens to her hands be able to keep drawing daily.

https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/2941332/#2941409

>>	Steps Mon Mar 26 13:06:52 2018 No.3361016 >>3360899 same boat mate. fucking get it my guy

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 13:10:24 2018 No.3361020 File: 110 KB, 638x638, 25036800_417887582012168_7562533592518098944_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3361016 You bet, Senpai

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 13:12:05 2018 No.3361024 >>3360990 Probably faking it. I wonder if she's ever been Throat Fucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 13:16:42 2018 No.3361030 >>3360990 wew so this is what try hard looks like I knew we were all NGMI in this board. how can pleb like us putting 4 hours a day compete with chads try hard 15 hours a day + teachers to help

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 13:18:32 2018 No.3361033 >>3361030 By just taking longer to learn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 13:20:22 2018 No.3361037 >>3361030 >>3360990 shit, I draw like half an hour a day if I remove videos and /ic/ time

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 13:27:25 2018 No.3361046

>>3360333
>>3360334
>>3360335
>>3360337
Pretty good posts, a lot of it boils down to gossip and salt, like drama in any industry. Feng does give away so much knowledge for free which is useful regardless of anything else, and I also really like him being honest about it being much easier when he started working. Guys like Dave Rapoza or Noah Bradley who lie or keep quiet about their actual origins and reasons for things are worse imo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 13:29:03 2018 No.3361050 >>3361046 What did Dave Rapoza and Noah Bradley life or keep quiet about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 13:37:11 2018 No.3361064 I wish I didn't need to go to my shit job tomorrow. I have the shittiest job in the world being a geriatric nurse and it fucks me up even after work. Only 3 months till I escape this literal hell.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 13:38:01 2018 No.3361067 >>3361037 it's over for us, better go live on neetbux and play vydia desu why do we even bother?

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 16:03:54 2018 No.3361243

>>3361050
Dave used to tell people he worked hard and saved up so he could have his year of grinding and getting gud whereas the reality was he got caught shoplifting or something and no one in his town would hire him so he had no choice but to go all in on art.
Noah was proud about the fake it till you make it type mindset, he got a couple of commissions for painting his rocks n' clouds and then sold expensive as fuck mentorships to beginners for easy money while other people were doing it for free or cheap. Then bragged about how quickly he paid off his student debt with this money and went on holiday to New Zealand.

There was a stream where Dave and Dan apologized about it, and also about things like telling people to quit everything, not talk to friends if they distract them from art etc, because they contributed to people developing unhealthy habits, isolating themselves, and damaging their wrists. Everyone makes mistakes like that though, even Mullins tells people not to take the advice in his Sijun posts as fact, since he didn't know everything and was misguided at times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 18:35:36 2018 No.3361435 >>3360671 That sort of post is automatically invalidated by the mere fact that you're on /ic/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 19:10:46 2018 No.3361463 >>3360048 so im supposed to have a specific goal in mind befoore drawing? like an idea for acomic or an animated short?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 19:22:31 2018 No.3361470 >>3361463 No, but I'm done feeding you.

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 19:23:04 2018 No.3361472

>>3361463
I think that's a good place to start atleast. "Art" is a vast term filled with so many techniques and disciplines to master, lessons to learn and so on. FZD as a school only works within a 1 year time frame because the goal is very specific: entertainment design. If you don't have any idea what kind of art you want to make or even what it might look like you're going to have a hard time figuring out what you need to learn next, every step of the way,

I doesn't have to be an ultimate goal in mind either. Just something you want to try or might want to learn.

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 19:47:28 2018 No.3361507

>>3360005
>feng- avoid drawing people and faces at all costs draw rocks and bugs instead

My understanding was that Feng just offered 'easy things' you can do to keep morale high, not necessarily to avoid things he didn't suggest at all costs. I'm not sure why this board is always obsessed with interpreting things in such black and white ways.

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 21:41:08 2018 No.3361625

>>3361507
I don't think he was just talking about the latest video. If you watch Feng's channel you'll find that character design is very rare and even when designing characters the face is never an emphasis. Characters just aren't Feng's forte (he likes bugs, planes, and buildings) and they're also among the last things FZD school itself focuses on, I think that's what the comment you're replying to was getting at.

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 21:47:56 2018 No.3361638
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>>3361470
>guy likely just starting out asks an honest question hoping for some basic advice
>SNIBBIDY SNABBIDY IN THE CRABBY PATTIES
I think I finally realize why the crab zodiac is called "Cancer". It's because that's what you are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 21:50:57 2018 No.3361640 >>3361243 Rapoza doesn't need to tell people about his personal life. It's understandable he would try to cover up his criminal history, that's no ones business anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 21:59:10 2018 No.3361650 >>3361640 Sure, but he lied to people in crimson daggers who then tried to take the same route, of working their asses off to try get an entire years savings so then could then grind like him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 22:03:00 2018 No.3361654 >>3361472 I want to draw waifus, but it seems like it might be too big of an goal (figure drawing, perspective). I'm guessing I should break it down into smaller goals?

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 22:22:16 2018 No.3361672

>>3361654
>>3361654
There's no reason not to start right now anon. You don't need to wait after you've done a lot of figure drawing and perspective studies. Of course those things will help, as will copying artists you like, but it's nothing you can't start on either. Do some figure drawing, do some perspective, study drapery, and study individual body parts, but don't hesitate to draw what you like either. They are of equal importance, not less or more.

The more you draw what you like to the more you'll be drawing and the more practice you'll get in because of that. Yes your first drawings will be shit and embarrassing, discouraging, but you have to work through that and keep them around as comparison to see how you've improved.

It's good you know what you want to draw, and waifus are a good goal to have, because they're an attainable form of ideal beauty. I think with that in mind you have a good idea what to focus on. But don't forget if you find yourself in a slump it helps to draw things you never have before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 27 00:42:35 2018 No.3361790 27:37 He called that rock "this guy" thats cute

Anonymous Tue Mar 27 01:25:18 2018 No.3361822

>>3361650
Yeah that's not cool considering he knows that people are taking what he says so seriously. But aspiring artist also have to go their own path. Can't take everything the pro say as gospel. One can integrate some of it into their own routine, but ultimately should still have their own unique approach. Take small things from other people but I wouldn't copy their entire routine. Their own fault for not thinking for themselves. I think these guys are great and some of what they say is helpful but people treat them like celebrities and idolize them too much I think.

Anonymous Tue Mar 27 01:32:44 2018 No.3361828

>>3361650
Same anon. People also need to realize what they're getting themselves into. This type of skill is incredibly demanding. I learned that in the beginning when my family got pissed off at me for grinding and not going out drinking etc. I pissed a lot of people off. The sacrifices need to be made in order to reach a high skill level. Do the best you can to take care of yourself but even that gets hard. I started smoking again to help me sit there for hours. Terrible decision and I'm trying to fix that. Things happen, it's easy to lose sight of things when you're workin your ass off trying to get better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 27 01:34:35 2018 No.3361830 >>3360899 >>3361016 Howd you guys break into the industry if you work remote?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 27 01:44:07 2018 No.3361837 >>3360813 snib snab

Anonymous Tue Mar 27 02:41:52 2018 No.3361874

I dont think ill make it. When he started reeling off excuses at the start. I dont play games but most of my time is taken up by my full time job and studying for proffesional exams. I wake up at 5 am to study before work so i cant stay up too late. I do draw for about an hour a night but thats not enough. I've already dropped video games and the gym but i cant bring myself to drop the rest to go all in on art.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 27 03:26:43 2018 No.3361895 >>3361874 >>3361874 Me neither. I can't shake off my addictions I keep trying but i always go back keep going in a circle of self destruction it's ruining my life. I'm 30 yrs old if I can't improve my situation soon I might end myself

Anonymous Tue Mar 27 06:28:28 2018 No.3361987
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>>3361830
Have gud portfolio, send it. Don't be an asshole when talking through Skype. Don't overcharge. Underpromise Overdeliver. Compare yourself to Artstation Gods, not to your local jerkoff circle full of NGMIs. Be lobster.

If you are good enough, people will hire you. "Breaking into industry mondai" is an excuse for people who are not good enough to get a job. There is no reason for a company to not hire you if you are good enough. Threshold is brutal- if your skill is 80% of what is needed to get a job it doesn't mean you have 80% chance, it also doesn't mean you will get a job that pays 20% less.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 27 06:41:28 2018 No.3361995 >>3355483 Snibedi snab

Anonymous Tue Mar 27 08:39:27 2018 No.3362077

>>3361895
it's a slow process. I went from gaming 10-12h/day and 1h drawing/day to like gaming for 1-2h/day and drawing for 4h/day.

Mostly wasting time on browsing these boards and porn now, but discipline for drawing is getting better. hopefully las can help.

also use pomodoro technique if you can't focus, it really does help.

Anonymous Tue Mar 27 08:46:52 2018 No.3362081

>>3361895

I second the other anon for pomodoro technique.

Even if you can't do that 25 min on / 5 min off then another 25 on. I find that even when I'm really unmotivated I can push myself to go "it's just 20-25 minutes. I can do 20-25 minutes, even if that's all I do today."

Then I find I can talk myself into that "It's just 20-25 minutes" a few times a day.

Anonymous Tue Mar 27 12:30:27 2018 No.3362293

>>3362077
>>3362081

I can sit down and draw for hours no problem. I've already conditioned myself to do that and I enjoy it immensely. My problem is I'm a weak willed fuck who can't give up drugs so I get high as fuck off shit that's terrible for my body then when I come down i sleep for days. Tell myself I'm done and gonna get my shit together, draw for 10 hours a day, exercise, feel like im back on track, set goals tell people ill do commission for them, then i relapse again and have to start all over again. I don't even show up to work anymore. It's a shitty retail job that doesn't matter but still. Only reason I'm not homeless is cause my gf is a saint who believes in me. Walls are fuckin closing in on me though. I keep trying and failing. I have an interview for a better job today where all I have to do is answers phones so it'd be easy to draw at work too. I'm being kicked out of my apartment in a week though gotta find a new spot and got no money but my gf working at least. Family basically disowned me cause they consider me low class and an embarassment. so I can't ask for help. Sorry for blogpost, just wanted to share.

Anonymous Wed Mar 28 00:20:36 2018 No.3363020
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>>3362293
This is probably the gayest post I've ever read in my great life. Congratulations for being a faggot ass bitch. I hope you cry so hard you shit yourself HARD when you're on the streets bitch, while I giggle like a school girl in my warm, beautiful, home and eat nachos that mommy made me. Fuck. You. Eat. My. Fucking. Shit. You. Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 00:29:07 2018 No.3363033 >>3362293 post work

Anonymous Wed Mar 28 13:01:06 2018 No.3363636

>>3362293

People seem to forget that willpower and brainpower are a finite source. It's real science. It's tough for me to work 9-5 and then make myself draw. I do manage an hour a day, although that's an abysmal rate of progression. I don't blame you. I say hit the gym though and find ways to vitalize yourself. I go to the gym three times a week and I feel more energetic and draw a bit more now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 13:04:47 2018 No.3363647 >>3357130 Go to Amazon Look up tan sketchbook should be first option.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 15:09:00 2018 No.3363793 What's this crab vs. lobster meme about?? I think I get the gist of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 29 21:47:49 2018 No.3365733 >>3363793 Fuck if I know. I've been gone from /ic/ for a few months and I come back super confused.

Anonymous Thu Mar 29 21:55:17 2018 No.3365742

>>3363793
>>3365733

Crab is reference to 'crabs in a bucket', the idea that if one crab tries to get out the other crabs pull him back in. The idea of crab mentality predates the /ic/ meme, but it's been on /ic/ for a long time. Seems to have taken off lately, but this board does legitimately have a crab mentality so I'm not surprised.

Lobster, AFAIK, is just elaborating on crabs mixed with a Jordan Peterson meme about lobster dominance hierarchies. It's just a joke of lobsters being the chad alternative to crabs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 29 23:11:09 2018 No.3365811 >>3363636 I got the job I interviewed for and I quit smoking 3 days ago. Still working on the living situation. Also been doing jumprope several days a week. Definitely starting to feel better. Gonna draw for awhile tonight.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 31 14:17:48 2018 No.3368063 >>3356505 >>3357130 there are several types of colored papers, the best known is the Canson Mi-Teintes http://en.canson.com/pastel-colour/canson-mi-teintes

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