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How the fuck did the ancient painters of the west get so good when they did have anyone to teach them how to draw?

>> No.3344269

>>3344267
muscle memory + their own notes

>> No.3344279

>>3344267
*Didnt

>> No.3344302

>>3344267
they literally drew from life everyday of their lives

>> No.3344306

they had teachers

>> No.3344308

>>3344267
Life was their teacher
So was their eyes and hands

>> No.3344309

>>3344267
What are you talking about Op? They did have teachers. Artist learned from other artist.

>> No.3344311

>>3344267
They were apprentices to masters.

>> No.3344325

>>3344267
where do you think the first good artist on earth came from? cause they wouldn't have had a fucking teacher

its called PRACTICE you don't just pop out the pussy painting mozart

>> No.3344333

>>3344267
But they had teachers. Even Leonardo Da Vinci, arguably the artist with the highest observational deconstruction skills learned for 7 years under a master together with other students.

>> No.3344334

>>3344325
Art started shitty, just as anything. Only over generations did the craft develop. Nobody went completely solo.

>> No.3344337

>>3344325
Even the skill of the first master was build on the back of countless attempts of previous generations. No one throughout history completely reinvented the wheel.

>> No.3344338

conclusion -> study from masters

>> No.3344342

>>3344267

What are you talking about you ignoramus?

Most of the great artists of ancient and Renaissance times worked as apprentices to other artists for years before they struck out on their own.

Those huge canvases were big endeavors and established artists usually had lots of helpers to work on them.

That's how you learned back then. You studied at the foot of the masters until you BECAME the master.

>> No.3344345

>>3344267
that's why they're called masters

>> No.3344450

>>3344342
This.
Learn your art history before asking history related questions OP.

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3345058

>>3344267
No internet to distract them and no anime to lead them astray

>> No.3345099

>>3344311
this

>> No.3345120

>>3344267
No distractions, also they had teachers but some them were self taught. What else were you supposed to do in the ancient times?

>> No.3345122

>>3344267
I'm pretty sure even the goddamn cavemen that did all the cave paintings we still have around still had teachers.

>> No.3345133

>>3344267
LOOMIS

>> No.3345168

>>3344267
>Be me, practice art
>"Man, my art sure looks like shit, I wonder why"
>Draw things around me. Study life.
>Suddenly, work has improved

Man anon, it's almost as if the answer to git gud is literally right in front of you.

>> No.3345205

>didn't

They most certainly did, and it was not cheap to be taught either.

Also keep in mind you are seeing the best of the best from a time period when historical preservation wasn't on the forefront of peoples minds. Anyone who wasn't god tier was lost in the vestiges of time

>> No.3345287

>>3344267
The noblest pleasure is the joy of understanding.

>> No.3345301

>>3344325
>quoting Egoraptor

>> No.3345305

>>3345058
>family issues

Sometimes I wonder if being raised in a shitty family can cause a shitty artist compared to a loving supportive one.

>> No.3345308

>>3345305
You don't need to wonder anymore. It does.

>> No.3345327

I like how OP specifies the west, because painters everywhere else were absolute trash.

>> No.3345369

>>3345058
"Draws the bones, organs, and muscles in exact order before painting the skin"? Yeah this is parodying both sides.
Also so inaccurate. Werbs dont care for bleach nowadays

>> No.3345372

>>3345305
>can cause a shitty artist
Art is escape so thats no excuse

>> No.3345406

Is this the thread to mention how Leonardo Da Vinci accepted work for some rich dude who wanted him to do some horses for him in the following months, only for Da Vinci to become obsessed with how horses worked, resulting in said work missing the deadline for two decades

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3345421

>>3344325
>painting Mozart

>> No.3345442

>>3345058
the only funny thing in this picture is that the "chad painter" is also painted in a very ugly anime fashion even tho he is trying so hard to make it look renaissance esque.

>> No.3345456

>>3344267
>How the fuck did the ancient painters of the west get so good when they did have anyone to teach them how to draw?
they practice and study instead of wasting time on mongolian cartoon knitting forum