/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3340348]

Why is tracing becoming more and more accepted? Every thread there's more and more people defending blatant tracing over photos/3d models as if it's what everyone does.

[Anonymous No.3340355]

Tracing is valid as a form of study but tracing work and submitting as your own is faggot shit tbqph

[Anonymous No.3340359]

It's not really. kronprinz was almost destroyed for having some pretty dubious copies

[Anonymous No.3340360]

>>3340348
It's fine for study. If you've 3d modeled a scene yourself because you can't be assed to draw out the perspective when you know full well how to do it already (say you're coming up on a deadline or are a lazy piece of shit), that's also fine.

But if you have to trace in order to make anything good, use it in all your art, and cannot make art without it, you're using it as a crutch and you suck as an artist.

[Anonymous No.3340386]

>>3340355
>>3340360
These basically. Tracing is useful in a lot of ways when it comes to studying but it'll only get you so far using it as a crutch. When someone who has no backing knowledge traces something it's always immediately obvious because it looks horrible and it looks horrible because they haven't developed the eye for seeing all the mistakes they're making.

[Anonymous No.3340418]

>>3340359
Except he wasn't critized as widely as you believe and Ilya now is the most famous internet artist of all time when it comes to drawing.
We all let this happen, we should've been harsher.

[Anonymous No.3340424]

>>3340348
The result is all that matters.

[Anonymous No.3340428]

>>3340348
Pic unrelated.

[Anonymous No.3340441]

>>3340428
You can't tell that the picture was traced?

[Anonymous No.3340448]

>>3340359
>almost destroyed
You autists are delusional. His patreon is stronger than ever, the only people who made a fuss were impotent retards on this imageboard. Spoiler: none of you matter

[Anonymous No.3340462]

>>3340441
More like YOU can't tell it wasn't traced? Your eye isn't developed if you can't tell the difference between tracing and not tracing.

[Anonymous No.3340467]

>>3340348
it isn't, you're just reposting this shit over and over again

[Anonymous No.3340478]

Sculpting a 3D model and tracing it is perfectly acceptable prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.3340479]

>>3340478
Hey man if you sculpt it yourself then yeah it's fine.

Tracing somebody else's 3d model isn't okay though.

[Prof Sai No.3340484]

In the internet age, there are so many images available that it is not possible to draw anything that does not coincidentally resemble SOMETHING out there. There is really only one way to show a girls butt and face in the same shot, and this is it.

The pose may be cliché, but that doesn't make it tracing. Superimpose the two images and you'll find that they don't really match at all.

[Anonymous No.3340495]

>>3340359
>pretty dubious

dude is a literal hack

Same with Ross Tran

[Anonymous No.3340496]

>>3340495
>same with Ross Tran
elaborate?

[Prof Sai No.3340500]

>>3340495

Well, in most cases he has improved on the originals.

[Anonymous No.3340501]

>>3340495
I feel offended

[Anonymous No.3340502]

>>3340495
Ross Tran is still a hack but at least he creates something sort of"new"
Kuvshinov literally steals from other artists. His "work" is shit regardless

[Anonymous No.3340510]

>>3340495
He made it better, what's the big deal

[Anonymous No.3340515]

>>3340348
Doxy explains if you really need to just do it for blocking reasons by blurring the shit out of it.
However, there are some really terrible examples like this video that gives the impression for small children to take shortcuts instead of git good
https://youtu.be/HhA1j1mt7Go

[Anonymous No.3340516]

>>3340348
Because people aren't shaming tracing when they should be.

[Prof Sai No.3340518]

>>3340502

No one has ever asked a woman to pose with her hands on her hips before? Exactly how many possible human poses are there? I'd bet it's less then 500.

[Anonymous No.3340522]

>>3340516
>shaming
Lol get over yourself idiot, nobody cares that you made every shitty line yourself. If you want to forgo modern technology like some Amish artist that's your own problem.

[Anonymous No.3340523]

>>3340518
I know that the example that the person you responded to is a pretty shit one but your response isn't any better.

[Anonymous No.3340527]

>>3340510
>>3340500
He is making/made money out them. He claimed them as his own. not studies.I don't know from what shithole country you guys are from but this is a criminal act.
I don't know how this faggot hasn't been to court over shit like this when some artists have for doing actual original fan art and selling prints

>>3340515
I mean,I honestly don't care if people are using 3D software to help out with complex poses or structures,especially when it involves fucked up perspectives.It's just a tool. The Masters would have used the technology if they had it .
You can draw on top of models but it's not like that is going to make your artworks any better,especially if we are talking about paintings.

[Anonymous No.3340529]

>>3340527
>He claimed them as his own
So? There's an obvious amount of work put in to improve on the original. He clearly made enough changes to avoid copyright issues retard.

[Anonymous No.3340546]

>>3340529
Your are calling me retard while I'm correct and you are oblivious about copyright laws and infringement.
Law doesn't care about the time and effort someone spends falsifying currency or forging a painting.It's still a crime. But I didn't even talk about plagiarism in particular.There's also copyright infringements I'm sure.
Read on The Berne Convention


fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.3340552]

>>3340529
Some of those just look heavily referenced or maybe he warped the picture before tracing but on most of those if you overlay his drawings on top of the original they're very obviously traced. Nobody can just eyeball a pixel perfect line drawing like that.

If he posted them as paintovers that would be fine, people do that all the time to fully render frames of animation, but they are honest about it and they don't sell those studies. He's trying to pass them off as original work when they're clearly traced.

[Prof Sai No.3340562]

>>3340495
>>3340552

Would it be okay if the artist posted that pic on his website and said "This is what I sell." ?

[Anonymous No.3340564]

>>3340516
>still conflating literally tracing on discarded images to learn with pseudo-plagiarism of the sort in the OP pic

>"hurr if you don't learn the way I, someone whose never drawn in his life, want you to that's cheating durr"

Trying to force that wannabe meme for months now says more about your dumb ass than any of the people posting in it lmao

[Anonymous No.3340565]

>>3340562
According to copyright law it's actually not okay to sell those things. Check out pic related, he explains better than I can right now.

If any of those artists wanted to they could sue him.

[Anonymous No.3340568]

>>3340546
>falsifying currency or forging a painting.
You're desperately reaching, this is irrelevant to what he did

>I'm correct and you are oblivious about copyright laws and infringement.
Yeah that's why he's being treated as a criminal and been sued right? Oh wait, he's been interviewed by multiple established magazines like FX, is one of the highest paid internet artists, and makes more doing art than you can ever hope to do. Read on: reality, retard

[Anonymous No.3340588]

>>3340348
>Why is tracing becoming more and more accepted? Every thread there's more and more people defending blatant tracing over photos/3d models as if it's what everyone does.

Because every year there's million more original photos and original art posted online.

Imagine 10 yrs from now 2028, unless its a masterpiece or meme-tier no one is going to give a shit about some random art drawn by a fucking random, posted on 2006.

This even goes for popular fandom artists like Sakami, no one in the future is going to give two shits that you traced some old image from the early 00's. not even the artist themself; only you some random anons from here and reddit

Thats just the reality

[Anonymous No.3340592]

>>3340359
>kronprinz was almost destroyed


Kron is too popular to be destroyed by you guys

[Anonymous No.3340601]

>>3340592
>underestimating the same weaponized autism who partially put a memelord in the white house

no he isn't

[Anonymous No.3340609]

>>3340588
Infringement is infringement. The original artists have up to 3 years after the tracer posts/sells the traced work. If they don't do anything in that time, though, then there's nothing you can do to stop them until they do it to you again and you make a case, or they just happen to trace over the wrong
person's art and get slapped with a lawsuit. Honestly I'm surprised more people don't get slapped with cease and desist letters for this stuff. People really do give a shit, but sometimes they don't know what to do or they only find out after the statute of limitations is up.

That's the reality. It's illegal no matter how you slice it, the law doesn't give a shit about what you or anyone else thinks about the subject.

[Anonymous No.3340610]

>>3340601
/ic/ gets 0.1% of the traffic pol does, nobody cares about the autists here. Most of them can't even figure out how to draw, let alone do anything that could "destroy" (LOL) kronz

[Anonymous No.3340615]

>>3340601
Well, care to explain why he's still up and about these days?

[Anonymous No.3340616]

>>3340609
>People really do give a shit
no one cares

[Anonymous No.3340618]

>>3340609
>I'm surprised more people don't get slapped with cease and desist letters for this stuff.
Because you're a dumbass and everyone else realizes there's no case. You are blinded by jealousy, kr0nz's art is legitimate, will continue to be legitimate, and no matter how much you cry he'll still keep doing well.

Go paint some fruit, I'm sure your mom will be totally proud you made every stroke on your own like a big boy.

[Anonymous No.3340620]

People who have given up on learning just advocate for the simpler way to achieve a result.

And /ic/ is full of those who have given up their honor entirely.

[Anonymous No.3340638]

They're not defending tracing they're just arguing with you, which is what the internet is made for

Jeez

[Prof Sai No.3340667]

This is not a trace. You can't make more than one line at a time line up. The only thing that is similar is the butts which are both butt shaped and are basically defined by a single curved line.

Can one line be plagiarism? You are taking this idea to a ludicrous extreme, and all you will accomplish is traumatizing budding artists.

[Anonymous No.3340670]

>>3340667
i am certain that people who are obsessed with phonies are the same kind of people who are delusional about what it means to be an artist

[Anonymous No.3340671]

>>3340667
To be fair, the image origin is from /a/ who are a bunch of non-artists.

[Anonymous No.3340690]

>>3340667
If you rotate it around the lines match up with different parts depending on where it's placed. Pretty sure they drew part of it and traced parts they had trouble with. It's different enough that I don't really give a shit though.

Only thing that bothers me is the perspective and ass-to-torso size ratio there. That poor deformed animu has elaphantitis of the ass

[Prof Sai No.3340692]

>>3340690
>Pretty sure they drew part of it and traced parts they had trouble with.

How do you draw such a nice face and then have trouble with that one damn line?

[Anonymous No.3340696]

>>3340692
Face coulda been traced who knows bruh it's hard to tell with animus. Anyways the issue is with the proportions man that torso is about half the size it should be

[Anonymous No.3340700]

>>3340348

People who are shit artists post on online forums too

[Prof Sai No.3340704]

>>3340620
>And /ic/ is full of those who have given up their honor entirely.

Have you SEEN the rest of 4chan? What fraction of images on 4chan would you say were posted with the permission of the original artist?

[Anonymous No.3340716]

>>3340704
I thought this thread was about tracing/stealing, not posting pics on a shitty imageboard.

[Anonymous No.3340721]

>>3340704
>permission
>on the Internet
Back to cavepainting with you, starving grandpa.

[Anonymous No.3340726]

>>3340565
>If any of those artists wanted to they could sue him.
Is this law relevant to the whole world? Because IIRC china dosen't give a single fuck for exemple

[Anonymous No.3340730]

>>3340348
pic unrelated, it's not traced but heavily referenced
>>3340495
put them one over the other and see if they match
nothing wrong with drawing a famous picture/photo/film shot in your own style
It's not original but still fine

[Anonymous No.3340819]

>>3340418
>>3340448
>>3340592

lol shilly virgins. People still talk about it, imagine telling this to his normie supporters who are not aware of it, he would lose 70% of them instantly.

>>3340615
It's fresh and young faggots who just got introduced to him. Make some official tweets or a journal post on deviant, and normies will get it. Don't btw, let's not start a witchhunt

[Anonymous No.3340821]

>>3340819
>imagine telling this to his normie supporters who are not aware of it
>>3333485

[Anonymous No.3340824]

>>3340348
What.. it's not. Not sure why you are trying to fool beginners. There are people out there who follow, gather information/proof, and make entire compilations about artists who trace. Then it get's shared on plebbit, deviantart, twitter etc.

You can do this when you're beg tier and nobody except 5 people gives a fuck about you, even then, someone who doesn't like your obvious scam art will make it his mission to call you out.

[Anonymous No.3340831]

Most artists are cucks who are too beta to stand up for their work being plagerized. Meanwhile artists like Cold Play get their asses sued for a riff off a Joe nobody album.
And video game companies will send you cease and desist orders for parodying their works.

[Anonymous No.3343503]

>>3340441
Try overlaying images if you can't see they're different.

Sure as far as referencing goes it's pretty blatant but it stops short of being a trace.

[Anonymous No.3344500]

>>3340495
I CHAllenge kn0nprinz to draw an open mouth

[Anonymous No.3344561]

>>3340667
It's too much of the same. Same pose, same ass shape, same fuckin background to the point where it is not a coincidence.

[Anonymous No.3344566]

>>3344561
It's an obvious trace, the retards just think that if somehow the lines aren't pixel perfect it's not.

>copy image
>lower opacity
>make new layer over it
>draw/paint over it

This is the modern day trace, though these retards are loathe to admit it because it hits too close to home.

[Anonymous No.3344590]

>>3344566
So anything can be considered traced now
If you look hard enough you can find references that fit for everything

[Anonymous No.3344618]

>>3340495
"cat ears girl with cigarette" is fine, but I stopped following this dude today. Every pic is the fucking same. Change a color or two, different head angle, everything else the same. It was making me want to puke.

[Anonymous No.3344629]

[Anonymous No.3344630]

[Anonymous No.3344685]

>>3340500
The improvement is trivial work compared to the drawing. That's the hard part, and that's why lesser artists trace.

[Anonymous No.3344708]

Can't believe nobody posted the Craig "Crab" Mullins one. It was discovered by some autist here too, before being taken to facebook and prompting a "sorry m-muh starving family, painting is too slow for the industry" reply from the artist himself.

[Anonymous No.3344709]

>>3344708
Craig is good so it's okay.

[Anonymous No.3344995]

>>3340667
DESU models exist only to be traced but it's clearly referenced for the lighting but that isn't a bad thing.

Unless the artist or photographer adds a "DONOTTRACE" handle on their works then it remains to reserve no to few rights and considering it's posted on the public domain and not on publishing companies but the same publishing companies only care about piracy.

>all these trace hates
What's wrong with it? Why do (((they))) feel so offended when it isn't even their OWN work/photo or intellectual property that got traced? Does it matter? it maybe published but it can be taken down anytime on request of the real author.
The point is if these faggots preach about rights to trace then they should also preach for animal rights - never to be photographed or traced and finally published because animals can't consent.
I bet they even use them as reference.
>caring about one image in trillions of several iterations for being referenced by another artist
>as if it's not a good thing, to have been chosen in trillions of informational crap we have

[Anonymous No.3344996]

>>3344995
Lmao look at the lengths this retard went to justify his tracing, these shitters are so desperate to cling to their crutch

[Anonymous No.3345009]

There are plenty of artists here in /ic/ that trace like Kyle.

[Anonymous No.3345014]

>>3340502
How the fuck is that a "hack" You idiot? Because the pose is the same? You can even tell the arm is different and so are the tones, faces, expression, etc.

[Anonymous No.3345017]

>>3344685
This.

Its easy to "fix" something after 90% of the work is already done.

[Anonymous No.3345021]

>>3344708
How do you guys even notice stuff like this

[Anonymous No.3345025]

>>3345021
By actually being into art and having a critical eye instead of being shitty /beg/s who can't tell the difference between an actual painting and a photo with instagram filters like this fucktard >>3345014

[Anonymous No.3345026]

>>3345025
I do not understand what you wrote. Can you be more specific?

[Anonymous No.3345034]

some images here are clearly used as reference and aren't traced, what's so bad about using references? there's a saying that goes something like, you don't have to invent the wheel because it's already invented, you can just take it and make it your own

[Anonymous No.3345036]

>>3344996
Lol enjoy your retarded delusional projection,
My last trace was like 10 years ago. Where's your art? I see none, like how you'll make it.

[Anonymous No.3345039]

>>3345025
Tell me what instagram filter does that so I can use it.

[Anonymous No.3345041]

>>3345034
Beginners who started to paint 2 weeks ago and think you have to make up everything in your head or you are not an artist.

[Anonymous No.3345073]

>>3340348
Sorry but if you think that drawins was traced from the picture you need to treat your eyes.

Or alternatively kys.

[Anonymous No.3345116]

>>3345034
If you've used reference to the point where someone recognize said reference, you fucked up.

[Anonymous No.3345210]

>>3344629
Is this not okay?

[Anonymous No.3345263]

>>3340348
It really depends on a task you are paid for.
If you are a concept artist nobody gives a shit how you made 40 variations of a character. You must focus on a design ( and this is really brainburning stuff , it is harder than drawing) not on "how to paint this and this"
On the other hand if you are paid for your art skills ( for example for a promo art) and you are trasing heavily ... You are fucked.

[Trollchan No.3345300]

>>3340348

[Anonymous No.3345310]

>>3345116
why? there aren't that many options for everything. there's nothing wrong with not inventing something new every time because that would be super hard anyway. you try thinking of 100 unique poses for example.

[Anonymous No.3345311]

>>3345300
Trollchan is new my waifu

[Anonymous No.3345317]

Repin did the same thing but with models. Absolutely disgusting.

[Anonymous No.3345320]

>>3345317

[Anonymous No.3345326]

>>3344630
''specially to the artist''

Can artists not into grammar?

[Anonymous No.3345688]

>>3340348
I trace over design doll all the goddamn time, and there's nothing you salty crabs can ever do to stop me or expose me for it.

Stay fucking mad you lowlife losers.

[Anonymous No.3345703]

>>3340495
are those studies or claimed original work

[Anonymous No.3345706]

>>3345688
This, no rules only tools

[Anonymous No.3345709]

>>3345688
okay keep tracing but just know you have no talent and never will doing that.

[Anonymous No.3345710]

>>3345709
post your talent

[Anonymous No.3345721]

>>3345709
Still better than you though. Tracing or not.

Your talent will never be recognized, as you're spending forever grinding endless boxes and getting mad at people better than you. Meanwhile, I'm already making it, and there's nothing you can do to expose me or tear me down.

How's that feel anon?

I took all the shortcuts in life, and I'll always be far more successful than you. And better still, you'd never be able to expose the fact that I trace my stuff as there are no source image to be found.

[Anonymous No.3345724]

>>3345300
I DEFINITELY didn't trace this, no siree, haha.

[Anonymous No.3345726]

>>3345724
This thread is getting worse and worse

Furryfag I'm not one of your haters (I'm indifferent) but with the shit you've been posting lately it's like you're begging for any kind of attention, it's kind of desperate. At least you're having fun.

[Anonymous No.3345727]

>>3345726
I make a joke drawing and suddenly I'm an attention whore.

[Anonymous No.3345729]

>>3344995
>>3345036
You are a dumb faggot. tracing makes you actively worse even if you could draw without it before as you forget how to make the forms in your head like muscle atrophy and you become a lazy shit whos completely dependant on his tracing crutch.

Use it for studies. never personal work. thats the rule unless you want to be shit and just fake it.

[Anonymous No.3345736]

>>3345721
you're lying because you don't want to post your shit lold

[Anonymous No.3345737]

>>3345727
It's not just that one. It's several posts, even those where you haven't attached your art to but were obviously yours (because your haters are recognizable too, as well as your avatarfagging tendencies). Don't mind me though. Good night.

[Anonymous No.3345740]

>>3345737
Fair enough, I appreciate your sentiment. Sleep well, anon.

[Anonymous No.3345752]

>>3340518
>>3345014
If you spent more than a second looking at it you'll realize, while he changed the colors, the costume, folds, and reflections are barely painted over. And look at the arm of the mech and Ross's "original character", he didn't even bother changing the markings.

The rest of the image is a weird mishmash of different styles, it's likely he copy/pasted different artworks and changed the colors and values.

[Anonymous No.3345757]

>>3345326
?

[Anonymous No.3346152]

>>3345034
Some people legitimately think artists have the capability to conjure things into existence from a void. They really don't understand that no thoughts any human has are completely original, it is all just mashed up combinations of prior observation.

[Anonymous No.3346284]

>>3345729
This is false. NGMI.

[Anonymous No.3346316]

>>3340495
These are studies, he never said it was original work

[Anonymous No.3347401]

>>3345116
agreed.

[Anonymous No.3347539]

>>3347401
okay then come up with 50 UNIQUE poses with characters with unique hair, clothes, and faces. prove that it's always possible to create something completely unique. :)

[Anonymous No.3347554]

>>3347539
I don't even have to go that far to make unique stuff. The point is that you're not explicitly tracing or heavily referencing to the point where it's near-identical to the original. The fact that you're not able to come up with a unique combination of pose+hair+clothes+face is really worrying.

[Anonymous No.3347562]

>>3345320
this

[Anonymous No.3347582]

>>3347554
that's not unique because it has been done before. my point is that you won't be able to create something unique for EVERY part. I'm not talking about the combination. why is it wrong to use a reference for the pose for example? it would be nearly impossible to create a unique pose anyway.

[Anonymous No.3347592]

>>3347582
Nothing is wrong with using references in the first place. Literally what's being explained here is that if you're using it to the point where it's uncannily similar to your drawing, you're doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.3347605]

>>3340348
the end result is all that matters you can trace and still do a shit job.

[Anonymous No.3347613]

>>3340348
its so sad to see people here still taking advice from /ic seriously, amateurs talking to more amateurs pretending to know what they are talking about, in the real world no one will give a shit about what you used as long as the end result is good, if you work for a company the are not going to tell you, oh you traced this shit anon you are out of here take your shit and leave, in the real world what matters is time and money so if you save time you save money and nothing else matters, your petty muh tracing mentality is "cheating" is something no one will give a fuck about

[Anonymous No.3347618]

>>3344630
So it's bad for this student to "trace" while others it's okay? I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.3347641]

>>3347592
yes but MY point (and i started this discussion) was that people here already complain when a reference is used for a certain part. I wasn't talking about you if you agree with me, I was talking about the others here