/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3328043]

does anyone have any good sources on how to draw anime eyes? i know that different shapes of eyes can add to the characteristics on a drawing, so is there anywhere i can learn how to draw eyes in a certain way that adds to to my characters personality?

although anything about how to draw proper anime eyes would be fine

art in pic is by poch4n

[Anonymous No.3328048]

>those fucking arms

[Anonymous No.3328054]

>>3328043
>teach me how to ignore my own personality, culture, and artistic journey by strip-mining another culture with artistic integrity.

[Anonymous No.3328192]

>>3328054
>literally ''muh style'' argument

[Anonymous No.3328205]

>>3328043
Girl on the left looks like she has pika

[Anonymous No.3328499]

>>3328054
Western culture is tumblr tier fuck that.

[Anonymous No.3328505]

>>3328054
this is the most dramatic thing I've ever read on this board
get over yourself anon

[Anonymous No.3328514]

>>3328043
this has got to be bait at this point right? what's with all the fucking retard anime newbies? gahhhh FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.3328518]

im in the same boat as OP , how do i draw eyes like this

[Anonymous No.3328520]

>>3328518
by purchasing a firearms and unloading it in your temple

[Anonymous No.3328524]

>>3328518
Space Jim's eyes are amazing I wish I knew.

[Anonymous No.3328530]

I don't get it, its just a couple of circles (pupil, retina, light reflection) and some fancy coloring or shading. If you can't do this then you're still stuck on symbol drawing and need to fix that first. I also recommend studying eyes from different angles as knowing that is gonna be critical to convey busy eyes.

[Anonymous No.3328534]

>>3328530
I bet you can't draw them.

[Anonymous No.3328537]

>>3328524
i know right , i also want to know how to draw eyes like this dood

[Anonymous No.3328548]

Literally:

Study real eyes in different perspectives

get that down, grind it,

then take a cartoon eye and apply it in the same way

i dont know if it was bridgman or hampton that has all the eyes in nice different views.
nice i found my own study. pic related

[Anonymous No.3328551]

>>3328548
my bad i didnt read the OP all the way through. you wanted actual anime eye designs i think.

for that.. you rip someone off.

[Anonymous No.3328553]

>>3328043
>That mouth and those proportions

At least right girl looks ok

[Anonymous No.3328557]

>>3328548
Bridgman, also thanks 4 the advice, I'm struggling pretty hard with the shape, trying to avoid it looking like a symbol than what a real eye looks like.

[Anonymous No.3328604]

>>3328534
that's a bad bet my friend

[Anonymous No.3328614]

>>3328054
>Western culture

[Anonymous No.3328621]

>>3328614
It's strange how the west forgot how to do appealing eyes. I think Bob Clampett cartoons have really appealing eyes and they are simple as hell too.

[Anonymous No.3328628]

>>3328043
literally just study and grind eyes. Both anime stylized and real life ones. Also save fuck tons of images from your favorite artists and study how they do eyes. It's not that hard

[Anonymous No.3328631]

>>3328628
THIS post is the NICE version of this post >>3328054

[Anonymous No.3328634]

>>3328621
a 3D version of what you just posted would be absolutely terrifying

[Anonymous No.3328641]

>>3328634
If you just keep them looking like toys, they are appealing, it's a shame this common sense is seen as blasphemy by CG fags who want fur shaders and gross skin defects.

[Anonymous No.3328725]

>>3328054
Lol, whatafaggot.

You're the butthurt weeb that keeps telling people only Japs can draw anime/manga, aren't you?

Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.3328740]

>>3328054
Why the fuck has /pol/ been on /ic/ so much this week

You guys getting in touch with your creative sides or something??

[Anonymous No.3328742]

>>3328621
>>3328614

I think CG animation is poor litmus for this. Good examples from the past might include the eye designs in Don Bluth films, the Chipettes from the animated Chipmunk movies, and a modern example might be the My Little Pony eye designs.

That said, I think even good Western eye designs can look very samey. Manga artwork is more playful with the design and color of the irises, eye shape and eyelashes (this especially). Looking at Western animated films it seems like eyes were designed with a stricter 'house style'. I do like how Western artwork has more emphasis on the eyelids though.

[Anonymous No.3328743]

>>3328043
The best source is Pixiv. See how other artist draw them then try to replicate it. If you copy a lot of people eventually you'll come up with your own style.

[Anonymous No.3328755]

>>3328743
>>3328628
basically this

[Anonymous No.3328758]

>>3328043
Study real eyes for a bit and learn how not to symbol draw them. Draw them from various angles and take notes of the different shapes they form. Keep grinding until you have a solid understanding of how the eye and each of its components move and how it looks in various angles.

Then study your favorite anime artist to see which stylization you like the most. Remember, style shouldn't take priority over structure. Even if you can draw the most detailed or prettiest eye, it will look very dumb if it doesn't look like it belongs on the face around it.

[Anonymous No.3328782]

>>3328054
i want to kms too

[Anonymous No.3328787]

>>3328043
the weird arms and head could've been easily fixed if the orig artist did it digitally. They probably realized it too late while they're inking it

[Anonymous No.3328875]

>>3328192
>>3328499
>>3328505
>>3328614
>>3328725
>>3328740
>>3328782
cartoonist retads. no wonder you can't learn your own culture. it rejects you for being so stupid.

[Anonymous No.3328892]

>>3328875
the shape design in this image is abhorrent. thank goodness the colors save it kind of

[Anonymous No.3328894]

kids hating tumblr style cartoons don't seem to realize tumblr shit is created by westerns that tried and failed to copy aspects of anime. somehow they think they are the special exception among millions of other naive teenagers worldwide.

[Anonymous No.3328898]

>>3328894
meanwhile actual anime illustrators in japan are just trained formal artists. mangaka barely have more than the weakest grasp of fundamentals and are just symbol drawing anything they can't photobash. but here's these kids spending 8 hour days grinding loomis and fundamentals so they can inevitably symbol draw at the same level as amateur artists, but with some extra digital coloring for mass appeal. the level of denial these kids are in is surreal.

[Anonymous No.3329065]

>>3328898
wow japanese people are superb

[Anonymous No.3329077]

>>3328875
the eyes feels too weird
like it's gonna stare at me

[Anonymous No.3329078]

>>3328898
>meanwhile actual anime illustrators in japan are just trained formal artists
they're also paid about as bad as fast food workers and are losing out jobs to Koreans so yeah, good luck with that

[Anonymous No.3329082]

>>3329078
they're also better than you and don't bitch about it like entitled autists.

[Anonymous No.3329085]

>>3329082
>adults who willingly work as slaves getting paid less than the cleaning lady after years of studying a craft only to apply it to bring to life someone else's creative effort and make them money is better than me
great achievement, I sure see where all the time spent went

[Anonymous No.3329087]

>>3328054
>muh tumblr noses
go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.3329088]

hey its the op here. didnt realise that this thread would turn into a shit show overnight but oh well, as is with /ic/

but yeah as for the whole debate i ust find anme eyes more appealing.

The style im aiming for is something like this. not really moe style of anime esque drawing, but a weird blend of elements from both sides.

the artist for this drawing is liyart

[Anonymous No.3329094]

>>3329082
Here is the reality:

>According to a Japan Animation Creators Association survey of 759 animators, the average yearly income is 1.1 million yen or approximately ten thousand dollars. Which is less than a thousand bucks a month. And that’s working, again, on average, eleven hours a day.

They may be excellent artists individually, but their job sucks. A perfect understanding of drawing could be an advantage, but it's far from a condition to success.

[Anonymous No.3329095]

>>3329085
>diffierent cultures
>different values
>innocent japs like anime and art so much they persevere harsh conditions just to be involved in the thing they like
>better insult them with sarcasm and compare your third world life conditions to them, even though unprompted.

[Anonymous No.3329098]

>>3329095
Not murrican, just not stupid enough to think people wagecucking by having to live near to or in the most expensive city in the entire country while making peanuts is a standard we should all aspire to achieve. Small time mangaka can make 8x that before royalties.

[Anonymous No.3329100]

>>3329098
>is a standard we should all aspire to achieve
who the fuck is arguing that, retad? do you just instigate fights at random or is it because you have problems with reading comprehension?

[Anonymous No.3329101]

>>3329100
You totally were not sucking Japs' dicks up until now, buddy. Keep telling yourself that.

[Anonymous No.3329102]

>>3329101
>different cultures
>different values
are you 12?

[Anonymous No.3329674]

heh

[Anonymous No.3329758]

>>3328628
>3
Plz post the names of artists. Some of those look interesting I'm curious to do some studying myself.

[Anonymous No.3329790]

>>3329758
If you're talking about the black and white girl with the headphones you should check out daisukerichard on Twitter, I'm sure it's right up your alley, basically that but in color with cool linework and interesting composition + a nice aesthetic

[Anonymous No.3329819]

>>3328043
So ugly

[Anonymous No.3329874]

>>3329758
Forgot which artist it is. I saved the imge a long time ago.

What >>3329790 said. Go check the artist's twitter page and look on the recommended accounts for artists with similar style

[Anonymous No.3329920]

>>3329874
Now give me the rest of them. I particularly like the blond girl with gold eyes at the top, the rick and morty one, the cute misato, the deidara side view, and the very first one with scruffy hair and hairclips (i saw his work posted on ic before but I forgot his name)

[Anonymous No.3329943]

>>3329819
bunny girls arms remind me of a trannys

[Anonymous No.3329960]

>>3329920
sorry dude I didn't save the pureref file for this. My folder is one giant unsorted images, I don't feel like looking through each of them

>blond girl with gold eyes at the top
https://twitter.com/_SLEEPING_EARTH
>rick and morty one
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=4207605
but the guy just recently deactivated his twitter and pixiv
> the cute misato
don't remember but it's a western artist
>deidara side view
http://fisher903.tumblr.com/
>first one with scruffy hair and hairclips
don't remember either

[Anonymous No.3329962]

>>3329088
After years of semi-realism, I've been trying to imitate anime styles. I know I'm not quite there yet, but I like to think that I've started to get the gist of it.
For me it was essentially learning anything and everything pertaining to the eye; study fundies (it's a pain, I know), study eyes, study detailed pictures of irises, and study other anime artists.
I found that by learning the fundimentals first I could structure my eyes, as well as the rest of the drawing, much better and avoid the whole hyper detailed but out of place issue I used to have. It also aids in a lot more leeway for style experimenting.

tl;dr Study skulls and eyeballs while browsing pixiv

[Anonymous No.3329979]

>>3329088
Literally Yugioh eyes.

[Anonymous No.3329984]

>>3329979
why does yu gi oh eyes looks alright but doesn't follow the 3 eyes rules of looomis

[Anonymous No.3330064]

>>3329984
Cuz its so ayylmao our brains don't register it as human so it looks okay to us.

[Anonymous No.3330067]

>>3329984
>3 eyes rules of looomis

because design doesn´t follow real life averages. If there´s a visual balance it will work

it is an exageration that draws attention and reads as a face.

Also, drop loomis, it sucks

[Anonymous No.3330069]

>>3330067
What should I read instead.

[Anonymous No.3330075]

>>3330069

>Michael hampton´s design and invention +

>Anatomy for sculptors (both the body and the face one)

>Force dynamic life drawing

power trio right there . And crab be gone

[Anonymous No.3330112]

>>3328043
There's something about how this guy draws the knees I really like it

[Anonymous No.3330189]

>>3330112
yeah i really like how he draws legs and clothing

[Anonymous No.3330196]

>>3328043
How did he fuck up the left figure so badly, and yet pulled off the right one decently?

[Anonymous No.3330197]

>>3330064
This is wrong. The brain is able to understand what it's supposed to look like and places itself into the world of whatever style happens to appear. The reason why the uncanny valley happens is when the style is close enough to real life that the brain applies it's typical standards to the image. At no point does your brain register that eye as anything but. The basic reason for this is the brain enjoys finding patterns in what it consumes and applies those patterns freely.

[Anonymous No.3331893]

>>3330196
Poch4n is actually a pretty good artist, personally I follow him for his inking

[Anonymous No.3331903]

>>3330196
probably realized it too late that the left one looks weird, so they try to make the right one better

[Anonymous No.3332538]

>>3331893
>yaoi hands

[Anonymous No.3332555]

Jesus fucking christ what happened to /ic/

I take a break for a few months and when I come back I see a bunch of deviantart autismos asking retarded questions like "how do I draw anime eyes" and taking every opertunity to shit on western culture they can in the vein hope that they will wake up Japanese tomorrow

[Anonymous No.3332566]

>>3328614
Fuck you it looks good, you just purposefully picked a bad example

[Anonymous No.3332600]

>>3328043
Overlay a grid on the eyes to capture all the lines and detail. Then, practice drawing them, and focus on making a kind of schedule when you do so: do you start out with the thicker part of the brow, or the pupil, or whatever. In time, you will draw them from memory, but now you must just practice.

[Anonymous No.3332613]

>>3332600
Better yet just draw big realistic eyes and you'll figure it out eventually. Spending that much effort on a single feature is a massive waste of time

[Anonymous No.3332661]

>>3332600
>symbol drawing
Get out of here, anon

[Anonymous No.3332706]

>>3328898
And he likes loli too. What a fucking surprise

Gaia was the worst thing to happen to 4chan

[Anonymous No.3333067]

>>3328043
Only real advice.
Start with emojis
Then transition into cute emojis
Kaomoji
Then transition into "chibi" or cats (look up neko atsume game)
The only way to go 2D is to detach yourself from 3D.

[Anonymous No.3333477]

>>3328875
trads pls go away; baroque and its adherents are garbage in every sense of the word beyond utter decadence

[Anonymous No.3333495]

>>3333477
>decadence
Ironic, considering that the anime style has, holistically, barely changed since the late 70s.

>>3333067
That's fucking awful advice

[Anonymous No.3333538]

>>3333495
any art history major can tell you that superflat was a reaction to that; how "flatness" is characteristic of not just the "anime style", but japanese art throughout the ages. when you look at the history of the mangaka tradition it's just a byproduct of accelerated production experienced during and after the meiji restoration. takashi murakami is on record saying that he expresses nothingness or something like that, so yeah it's pretty ironic but doesn't in any way negate anime's timely significance

besides when it comes to western art history I think all the schools that sprouted up in reaction to perceived "decadence" are far more interesting on the fact they're all so grotesque, from the pre-raphaelites to the barbizon school; any examples of a "primitivist modernism", as some academics would say

[Anonymous No.3333775]

>>3333538
So a guy that goes from western to anime style will have to learn "flatness"? Or what?

[Anonymous No.3333811]

>>3333775
No. Anime isn't flat, it just uses a few stylistic tricks here and there, like sideways mouths and hair that changes shape depending on the camera angle.

Honestly, eastern and western aren't actually that different outside of the way they are rendered and a few surface details. Pic related

[Anonymous No.3333818]

>>3333811
That's drawn by an Asian though

[Anonymous No.3333834]

>>3333775
>>3333811
Wrong, the "anime style" is derived from ukiyo-e prints of yore; much of late 19th century post-impressionist art was predicated upon replicating the style characteristics of imported woodblock prints from east asia. Van Gogh was a huge weeb (look up Japonisme), and tried starting a commune in southern france because he thought the weather there was similar to Japans (pseudo-scientific racism was really prominent among art theoreticians at the time, who were trying to explain why japanese art was so drastically different from their western counterparts).

Other schools derived from the Arts & Crafts movement like Art Nouveau expanded heavily on this east asian influence by simplifying the form in such a way that reduces them to abstraction. I mean when you look at the art world today, over a century later where there's an over-saturation of abstracted figures the differences do sometimes look marginal, but there's still a pretty big gap between east and west that's fortunately closing.

[Anonymous No.3333840]

>grow up watching anime
>want to draw anime
>other people try to shove western style down your throat

[Anonymous No.3333842]

>>3333834
>Van Gogh was a huge weeb
need to find the pdf I got this screenshot from; lost my jstor access over new years baka
>>3333840
iktf

[Anonymous No.3333846]

>>3333842
oop here it is I think https://www.jstor.org/stable/3780577

[Anonymous No.3333890]

>>3333834
Anime style is derived from Tezuka who was inspired by Disney, the Fleisher bros, Terrytoons and Milt Gross

He was definitely influenced by traditional Japanese art, but his western influences were much stronger than his eastern ones

[Anonymous No.3335194]

>>3328043
the thing about anime eyes is there's no rules to drawing them. they're one of the most flexible things in anime.

do you actually want to know how to draw anime eyes or do you actually just want to copy the way a certain artist does anime eyes?

because anime eyes can literally be dots if you want.

[Anonymous No.3335195]

>>3333842
>light magic

[Anonymous No.3335219]

>>3328604
Prove it big boy.

[Anonymous No.3335343]

>>3329960

The Misato one is by brekkist.