ITT

[Anonymous No.3323909]

Crabbiest advice you’ve ever heard

[Anonymous No.3323911]

recommending loomis

[Anonymous No.3323914]

Drawing is worth wasting more than an hour a day.

[Anonymous No.3323919]

>life drawing is a meme, just copy anime
>you need to finish every piece
>don’t finish any pieces bra, it’s just studying
>train like a monk for 10 years before putting your work out there
>draw furry porn and you’ll be rich!
>don’t read Loomis or Hogarth or Bridgeman or any other drawing theory, just express yourself and figure it out man
>learning sculpture won’t massively help your drawing
>colour theory is a meme
>colour theory is 100% true and not partly subjective and based on your age/hormones/gender/race
>don’t study medical or botanical illustration, you’ll never need to know veins or leaf patterns and it definitely won’t help you to learn challenging bone structure, pleasing organic form and texture or accurate observation
>buy these epic tools and you’ll be great!
>manga has no artistic value and is just for weebs (see:Katsuhiro Otomo)
>le 15 hours a day no breaks
>you don’t need to learn accurate realism construction before you do stylised or conceptual work (aka you don’t need to learn the rules to break them, a wider problem with our epic modern Culture of Critique society)

[Anonymous No.3323923]

Plein air and life drawing is unnecessary, just draw from /s/ porn

[Anonymous No.3323954]

the only thing you need to learn anime is to copy it (this doesnt even make a lick of sense)

i dont even draw anime and i get infuriated

[Anonymous No.3323956]

Grind boxes before doing anything fun or interesting!

[Anonymous No.3323964]

>>3323911
>>3323914
>>3323956
>when even the thread against crabs is full of shitty crabs
this board is just so sad.

[Anonymous No.3324037]

Go to art school

[Anonymous No.3324038]

>>3324037
Actually it's the opposite of that, nobody accomplished anything on his own.

[Anonymous No.3324049]

>>3324038
t.collegeprofessor

Half the industry never went to formal education. Those who did, 4/5 said it didn’t help or they regretted it or it wasn’t what they needed, or that it was useless in getting them a job.
>Critique
Put your work out online. You’ll receive 10x as much feedback and it will be simultaneously brutally honest, erudite, on the pulse and esoteric.
>community
Get a job while you study at home. Social interaction, break up your weekly routine, discipline AND you make money and show bootstraps mentality and employability. You also gain stories and wisdom and connect with a wider world outside the classroom daycare circlejerk.
>resources
Everything’s online. It’s 10x cheaper to buy a printer and scanner and tablet than to rent them from the uni. You can still use campus libraries if you are a member of the public, or rent/buy/download books
>college experience
A meme. Banging insane sluts and hanging out with art hoes does nothing for your happiness or soul, trust me, I went to an illustration uni for 2 years. The people you meet are also stunted immature kids with little real world experience and most of the tutors are pretenders, unskilled, irrelevant, burned out, miserable, daycare wardens.
>qualifications
Most of the industry is aware of how garbage college is. The low entry bar, the low pass bar, the critical theory and post modernism, the terrible teachers, the rape prices and student loans, the general childish atmosphere of college - employers are not naive. They know your degree means practically nothing and gives you no edge over a self taught, motivated candidate.

[Anonymous No.3324060]

Stop doing anime.

Alternative: keep doing anime.

[Anonymous No.3324065]

>>3323909

[Anonymous No.3324067]

>>3323964
I'm the box guy and I'm pretty sure that this advice is reatrded as FUCK. Worked for some artists, but don't go around like it's the ultimate path to mastery.
Best outcome is getting a good grasp of volumes, but usually you just lose all the pleasure of drawing.

[Anonymous No.3324070]

>>3324049
P R E A C H

[Anonymous No.3324071]

>>3323919
>life drawing is a meme, just copy anime
not as crabby as "you need to be this good at life drawing to do what any Japanese child seems to be able to"

gatekeeping is hell

[Anonymous No.3324087]

>>3324071
Nah.
Think of it like this:
If you removed the anime faces, ridiculous hair and exaggeratedly long or short limbs, the drawings are technically perfect executions of perspective, anatomy, gesture, colour theory, depth, composition etc, mixed with the conservation of line of old Japanese prints and the dynamism of western action comics and experiments of people like Hokusai.

Anime without the technical perfection is just deviantart cringe. If Japanese children can draw that, it is just an indictment of Western art education, just like every North Korean child can play the piano thanks to their education.

[Anonymous No.3324089]

>>3324037
>Go to art school
Making 70k a year after my degree. Enjoy your self studies.

[Anonymous No.3324092]

>>3324049
>Half the industry never went to formal education. Those who did, 4/5 said it didn’t help or they regretted it or it wasn’t what they needed, or that it was useless in getting them a job.
This is pure bullshit. We barely interview any people with a degree. Most of our staff comes from university, do internships and then get hired.

If you consider art a career, don't listen to anyone online (including me). Go to a studio and ask around what education they have.

[Anonymous No.3324098]

>>3324092
>>3324089
Yeah, sure buddies
Post your work and we’ll believe you

[Anonymous No.3324099]

>>3324098
How about you post your experience or work instead?

[Anonymous No.3324101]

ALWAYS USE REFERENCES

[Anonymous No.3324103]

>>3324098
I don't have to. As I said, don't trust me, go to any studio and talk with anyone in the industry.

All of the places I've worked have had artists present in student expos, game event or hosted launch parties. Very few of my coworkers, aside from the freelance artists, have any art blogs or online presence.

If you want a job you are not doing yourself a favor by taking advice from a bunch of semi-famous artists on the internet.

[Anonymous No.3324108]

>if you dont have an expensive tablet you are ngmi

[Anonymous No.3324109]

you have to draw 10 hours a day to be successful

absolute nonsense

[Anonymous No.3324112]

>>3324103
>>3324098
Actually, even fuck that. Just go to Linkedin, type in your gamestudio + artist into search bar and have a look who have a degree or not.

[Anonymous No.3324114]

>If you're not japanese, don't draw anime

[Anonymous No.3324118]

>Art is a genetic ability.

[Anonymous No.3324125]

>blog?

[Anonymous No.3324137]

>your portfolio needs the generic fantasy tropes like the wow-orc and the magician-whore to get hired

[Anonymous No.3324160]

>>3324114
sounds legit. halfbreeds are gross, anon.

[Anonymous No.3324167]

>Master drawing from reference before drawing from imagination
>Studying is a meme just draw what you love!

[Anonymous No.3324169]

>>3323909
ITT retards believe every word from nobodies instead of actually putting in the hours to draw. ngmi

[Anonymous No.3324171]

>This thread isn't about how to draw crabs
I think I stumbled on the wrong board

[Anonymous No.3324186]

>>3324067
> Best outcome is getting a good grasp of volumes, but usually you just lose all the pleasure of drawing.
I see, you are retarded after all. To get good at something, you need to get past the boring parts. Want to have fun? Do that on your own time. Fuck, nobody said to draw boxes 24/7.

[Anonymous No.3324220]

>>3324160
I disagree.

[Anonymous No.3324353]

>>3323909
>loomis
>you need to grind muscles, bones, meme realim 12 hours a day to draw cartoons
>drawabox
>dont erase
>start and practice only in traditional
>start and practice only in digital
>tracing is ok just trace everything
>loomis

[Anonymous No.3324368]

>CINTIQS are a meme. Real artists are just as good and fast on an intuos.

I cannot COUNT the number of times people have given this retarded advice on here.

[Anonymous No.3324389]

>>3323956
Classic. Retards don't understand that you are automatically grinding boxes while drawing something interesting.
Also, pic related.

[Anonymous No.3324413]

>>3324353

>dont erase

It is true only to beginners, but no use if people have more experience.

[Anonymous No.3324424]

>>3324368
It's true though, mr crab. The only artist who might have an easier time with cintiqs are those who are still transitioning from traditional.

[Anonymous No.3324430]

>>3324049
Uh, wrong. Art school is a great way to meet people in the industry and get involved. Pic related

[Anonymous No.3324432]

>>3323909
One time somebody told me that the girls I draw aren't pretty because they don't look cute like kr0n's girls. I agreed with that anon that kr0n is a better artists than me, but he has shitty taste and sameface syndrome and all his girls look asian and that both him and kr0n are betas with yellow fever.

[Anonymous No.3324436]

>>3324049
I haven't read your post yet, but fuck off with this grimes shit. I already see enough of it on /mu/.

[Anonymous No.3324439]

>>3324424

Crab spotted. This is wrong.

[Anonymous No.3324440]

>>3324118
IQ is genetic to a certain extent and that affects one's ability to improve at art.

[Anonymous No.3324443]

>>3324049
>banging art hoes
Never do this. They most likely have BPD and they WILL accuse you of sexual harrasment/rape if they decide one day that they don't like you. I had to learn this the hard way, but everythings good now.

[Anonymous No.3324447]

>>3324439
>I can't do it so it must be wrong

I'm laughing at you right now crab.

[Anonymous No.3324450]

>>3324440
IQ can be improved

[Anonymous No.3324493]

>>3324368
>Cause you to hunch over your screen
>shitty inferior colour version of a monitor
>overpriced
>if you drop it or you get robbed or you lose it say goodbye to $700
>you could buy 100 art reference books, supplies, book lessons on a course, go to life drawing classes and get a killer monitor + intuos pro for the same price as one glorified ipad

[Anonymous No.3324513]

What *exactly* is a crab as you are using it here?

[Anonymous No.3324577]

>>3324493

Depends which on you're using. I have a 21UX cintiq and I have it set to a almost vertical angle. No problem with ergonomics there.

[Anonymous No.3324587]

>>3324513
Dunning kruger artist who thinks he can give useful criticism to artists who are better than him. Usually they just end up giving very vague critique or straight up just hate on the artist.

[Anonymous No.3324589]

>>3323909
my favorite:
>its an anon gets frustrated depressed and let down by his drawing ability and goes on /ic/ to talk down on artist he deems reflections of his 'naive' self when his attitude is only making him more naive by the moment

[Anonymous No.3324590]

>>3324513
bucket crab, look it up. a lot of shitposters got it in their head to try to ruin other people's chances of success in hopes of increasing their own

[Anonymous No.3324596]

>>3324590
Huh, that's actually much more interesting than what I assumed(although my assumption would predict pretty much the same kind of post). Why do you think the crabs(as in literal crabs, not people crabs) do that? There must be some actual evolutionary advantage if they're so inclined to do it right?

[Anonymous No.3324601]

>>3324596
art is hard, from 'man my back hurts from sitting so long' difficult, to 'im going to kill myself tomorrow' confounding. Sometimes it's hard to believe there's a light at the end of the tunnel, so you will turn to joining the peanut gallery.

[Anonymous No.3324604]

>>3323909
>thread about crabs filled with crabs calling each other crabs while claiming they're not crabs
Looks like /ic/ is the same as always...

[Anonymous No.3324608]

>>3324604
snibbety snab

[Anonymous No.3324621]

>>3324596
>There must be some actual evolutionary advantage if they're so inclined to do it right?
We can only theorize, but the most plausible explanation is it's an instinct, not to drag each other down, but to latch onto whatever they can grab when they're in a "stuck" environment. If you threw a crab in a rocky bucket-like hole, it'd probably try to grab jutting edges to get out.

[Anonymous No.3324662]

You shouldn't use references when drawing. you should be able to SUMMON ANYTHING FROM YOUR MIND WITH PERFECT ACCURACY.

[Anonymous No.3324667]

>>3323909
I see what you did there OP.

When /ic/ fags try to give advice they will give crabby advice.

But when asked to give crabby advice they will give good advice.

[Anonymous No.3324799]

>>3323956
i think it works because when i first started drawing for fun in like grade 7, the first things i used to try and draw was boxes and other basic shapes in perspective, without anyone telling me i should and without and formal training from books, its just natural and fun to draw boxes to try and wrap ones head around how 3d space works in a 2d form.
now whenever i feel the need to draw boxes as a warm up i draw boxes and add little windows and gutters ect.. (pic related)
this is still essentially just drawing a bunch of boxes.

[Anonymous No.3324800]

>>3324799
Agreed

Just recently started grinding basic shapes... after, 3 years of drawing? I get it. It's nothing to laugh at

[Anonymous No.3324823]

>>3323919
>buy these epic tools and you'll be great!

Ok but who actually falls for this
You don't need fancy tools to make good art

[Anonymous No.3324825]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykWPyaqbebo

>>3324493

>The only artist who might have an easier time with cintiqs are those who are still transitioning from traditional.

Jesus Christ what bullshit.

>>3324424

>if you drop it or you get robbed or you lose it say goodbye to $700

This is the DUMBEST argument I've seen for not buying professional grade equipment. Why own anything good if you're worried it will get damaged?

Might as well live in a box and draw on old receipts if you're going to have that attitude.

>you could buy 100 art reference books, supplies, book lessons on a course, go to life drawing classes and get a killer monitor + intuos pro for the same price as one glorified ipad

You know how I know you don't know how much things cost?

Look, every professional in the animation industry that I know uses a cintiq. Dreamworks, Nickelodeon, WB, doesn't matter.

And the ones I know that transitioned from Intuous to Cintiq saw a noticeable upgrade in the speed and quality of their work.

Only amateurs don't see the advantages of a Cintiq.

They're not perfect products, but they are industry standard for a reason. Believe me, I've tried alternatives. None are as good.

[Anonymous No.3324828]

>>3324662

Good god, this. I don't even use reference that much but I see the value of it.

[Anonymous No.3325117]

> How to draw x
> Look at picture of x
> Draw x

[Anonymous No.3325202]

>>3323909
Benis.

[Anonymous No.3325205]

>empty space is boring and useless so make the figure fill up the entire canvas mmkay
>good artists don't use construction and layouts just go all in bro
>you don't need no anatomy when you're doin ~*stylized*~
>just draw from imagination and you'll get better trust me
>if your digital work sucks just get a cintiq that'll fix it
>you should distort the figure in your studies just so your drawing looks prettier
>realism is pointless in the long run so don't even bother with it

[Anonymous No.3325293]

>>3324389
You do have to play with your tool to learn how to use it.

[Anonymous No.3325415]

>>3324109
This
9 hours are enough

[Anonymous No.3325641]

>>3325205
>>if your digital work sucks just get a cintiq that'll fix it

No it won't "fix" it. But if you're serious about digital art and are already a decent draftsman, it will make it easier and faster for most people.

[Anonymous No.3325670]

Pretty much everything on this board except the artbook thread is worthless. I only come here for a laugh.

[Anonymous No.3326145]

>>3325641
I actually own a cintiq my dude. Did it improve my workflow? For sure. Did it improve my skill? Not really.
It's a tool for people who are already professional or on their way there, with a need to work fast consistently. But I've seen a ton of people convinced that chicken scratch, lopsided figures and bad form are caused by shitty tablets and not, y'know, bein shit at art.

[Anonymous No.3326151]

>>3324589
What else are you supposed to do

[Anonymous No.3326199]

>>3326145

Well yes, better to get good on paper first. I mean, I did.

But I've seen so many people here refer to Cintiqs as "memes" or make other utterly idiotic statements, trying to convince each other that they're useless toys for rich people, rather than industry standard tools.

And they're so patronizing about it, the stupid worthless bastards. I don't know why people are so personally, emotionally invested in giving other people bad advice. Like their ego depends on it.

>Did it improve my workflow? For sure. Did it improve my skill? Not really.

This I disagree with a bit. When I got a Cintiq, making digital art got easier and faster. When it got easier and faster, I started doing it more. When I did it more, I got better. My digital art skills increased much faster after I started using cintiqs than they did before that.

[Anonymous No.3326211]

>>3324037
I get paid for attending art University, enough to pay the bills, add cash for future pension and still shop at overly expensive stores like gamestop monthly)(using that autistic store as an example for the amerimutts). I'd say 5 years of this is pretty neat, met good people, tutors specifically want to help you improve on the art style and theme YOU chose for yourself, not force someone that needs to study anatomy to draw Pots and plants if they don't see it as necessary. Honestly, I see improvement and would recommend. But it's currently full this year.

[Anonymous No.3326213]

>>3323919
>color theory is based on your race
BLACKS LOVE EARTHY COLORS

[Anonymous No.3326325]

>>3324589
OP asked for advice examples though.

[Anonymous No.3326332]

>>3324825
I guess you are just incompetent in general (I'm not surprised). You can't even connect your greentexting with the right links.

[Anonymous No.3326339]

>>3326213
That has some truth to it from a make-up perspective.

[Anonymous No.3326563]

>>3324160
Halfbreed men: Elliot Rogers
Halfbreed women: 14 words? Never heard of em

[Anonymous No.3326566]

>>3324825
>second hand bookstores sell art books for $1-5 dollars
>intuos pro brand new: $200
>drawing courses: $30-200
>nice pens, paper, paints: $100-200
>admission to museums for a month: $50
The price of a cinqtiq. Half of the professionals I’ve met hate cintiqs for their resolution, colour, ergonomics and prefer intuos

[Anonymous No.3326570]

>>3324513
“Tall poppy syndrome”
Also see: “Black people”

[Anonymous No.3326586]

>>3323956
show your work faggot

[Anonymous No.3326605]

>>3326586
Why are you so butthurt, anon?

[Anonymous No.3326616]

[Anonymous No.3326627]

>>3324353
Is this your /v/ermin?

[Anonymous No.3326631]

>>3323956
you dont need to grind boxes, you need to understand horizon, vanishing point and perspective before anything is even remotely natural feeling. I have the same problems sometimes

[Anonymous No.3326644]

>>3326631
samepost. This I did a few years back on location, about 3 hours

[Anonymous No.3326654]

>>3323909
Stop being depressed, just draw Anon

[Anonymous No.3326664]

>>3323919
What kind of places do you go that you get this kind of advice?

[Anonymous No.3326714]

>>3324513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipg4EL_JUyE

[Anonymous No.3326752]

>>3324353
>you need to grind muscles, bones, meme realim 12 hours a day to draw cartoons
>drawabox
>loomis
So you both refuse realism and constructive methods? You either don't draw at all or are some SU-Tumblr shitter, either way you are retarded mate.

[Anonymous No.3326762]

>>3326566
>>intuos pro brand new: $200

One of those ones that's the size of a postcard?

No thank you.

>second hand bookstores sell art books for $1-5 dollars

Oh you're talking about THAT kind of artbook. I could fill my house with worthless clutter too if I wanted to.

>Half of the professionals I’ve met hate cintiqs for their resolution, colour, ergonomics and prefer intuos

Are they graphic designers? I'd bet money they're graphic designers.

[Anonymous No.3326935]

>>3326762
I bought the Medium (a3) size new version Intuos Pro for £210 from some outlet, it's great

>worthless clutter
Worthless pleb detected. Sure they don't have epic Star Wars Funko Pop artwork but if you want a collection of Rembrandt or esoteric lost photos of Arno Breker's sculptures or a chronicle of 1950s handsome male faces or Durer prints, that's where you go. Unless you're a worthless bugman pleb who pays $40 for the Art of League of Legends or Avatar

[Anonymous No.3326963]

>>3324513
It's a forced meme

[Anonymous No.3326970]

>>3323909

>Never paint in pure black or pure white.

This is probably the shittiest advice I heard because it looks insidiously valid on face value, but then if you look at artworks of different people you'll see them have pure whites and pure blacks.

This picture is a good example, the highlight on her shoulder is pure white, and you won't notice until you use the color picker in photoshop.

[Anonymous No.3326986]

>>3326935
not him, but 210 britbucks is almost $300

[Anonymous No.3327020]

>>3326970
You're interpreting it as "never use black and white ever" when the problem is using them as base colors.

It really depends on the style, but in general, which looks better:

> a black cat rendered in solid black, or a charcoal grey cat?
> pure white hair, or light silver-blue hair?

[Anonymous No.3327037]

>>3327020

>> a black cat rendered in solid black, or a charcoal grey cat?

It depends on the value range and the contrast you want to acheive in the artwork.

If you look at the picture in my OC the value range is from 6 -10. (1= Darkest, 10 = Lightest)

A black cat rendered in solid black would be appropiate if its the blackest thing in the picture.

The same thing for the hair.

[Anonymous No.3327051]

>>3323909
I suppose 4chans constant kill self memery was a bummer for quite a while. It was harrowing.

>>3324587
I know, it's been a nightmare on here. I gave up on it for awhile it made me too upset.

[Anonymous No.3327139]

Everyone over the age of 30 can start getting good and be able to go into industruly by 40+ years old.

[Anonymous No.3327191]

>>3323909

>used to browse conceptart before jason manley went full retard
>everyone hated the photobashers , everyone told everyone else that shit is cheating and that you need to draw from life like the classicist did
>they used to make fun of people discussing brushes " i only use the default round brush lmao"

>FF a few years
>MFW all those people are selling bash kits and photobash tutorials on gumroad
>MFW all of them are Ross Tran level wanabes and barely draw if they dont 3d or photobash
>MFW they are all selling their brush sets

it was really eye opener, production artists are cunts

[Anonymous No.3327194]

>>3324067

the box is kinda lame advice but you should still draw a lot of different objects

[Anonymous No.3327196]

>>3327191
it's true, but nublets should experiment with the dark arts early on so they are prepared to use them when the time comes.

[Anonymous No.3327199]

>>3324103

the degree makes sense if you are attending a reputable academy in the first worl, like gobelins, calarts or some shit like that were they consistently pump pros into the industry.

But for poorfags and third worlders like moi sometimes no education is better than shit education, as you can start working and earning money sooner without the worthless expense.

[Anonymous No.3327246]

>>3324353
>>loomis

it was the only resource online back then on public domain, so in 2006 or so i was shilled hard on loomis and had to take the loomis pill. You could no find better things in my country anyways.

But yeah, i hate those books now. They are shit compared to michael hampton figure book, james gurney´s art books, etc, so much stuff now is incredible.

[Anonymous No.3327281]

>>3323909
>tfw you realize they're crabs because crabs have small and simple brains that can be instantly destroyed to kill them with no pain
>humans have much more developed and complex brains that even a shotgun blow directly to it might not even finish a human off

[Anonymous No.3327297]

>>3327281
>a shotgun blow directly to it might not even finish a human off
False, soft tissue of approximately 1400 cm^3 will be instantly destroyed by a direct shotgun blast. The only possible way of survival was if the shotgun were a few feet away and the guy shot at the thickest part of the skull, and even then you would practically be a vegetable. Shotgun blast through the roof of your mouth is statistically the most effective way of suicide.

[Anonymous No.3327304]

>>3323909

>ITT

>Burguer fags talking about cintiqs and intuous while i am here with a 70$ huion that i have used for work for over a year

I´d love to have a cintiq but i am poor

the true advice is that you don´t need a cintiq if you can´t buy one, is not a requisite but it is still nice upgrade if you do have the means for it.

A cintiq is a luxury not a necessity and if you are a student or tight on money just skip it and don´t sweat over it.

[Anonymous No.3327394]

NO RULES
JUST TOOLS

[Anonymous No.3327740]

>>3326970
That highlight would look better in an illusion of white
Besides, the black and white paint meme is from the days of actual painting with brushes and canvases, where black and white pigments would actually make a piece look incredibly flat and washed out (hence things like payne's grey were popular)

[Anonymous No.3327759]

>>3323909
>keep drawing even if you don't see any improvement
>keep drawing even if you don't get paid

[Anonymous No.3327771]

>>3327139
Not this anon, but crabs that keep shilling about brain plasticity not existing.

[Anonymous No.3327833]

>>3327394
do you have the rulebook? if so what does it say?

[Anonymous No.3327842]

>using a screened tablet won't improve your line work
terrible advice and i see it parroted on /ic/ all the time. sure for painting a non-screened tablet is fine and might even be preferable, but if you're trying to draw with one then you're just making things unnecessarily hard for yourself.

[Anonymous No.3327851]

>green clothes suit red haired characters because green is complimentary to red

[Anonymous No.3329526]

>>3327304
I would say a cintiq isn't a necessity, but when you start transitioning from an amateur to a professional, it's a worthwhile investment, and if you use it properly, will allow you to work faster and more efficiently, thus (hopefully) allowing you to earn more money.

[Anonymous No.3329533]

>>3327851

Sounds like deviantart tier color theory

[Anonymous No.3329535]

>>3327851
I mean, they do though

[Anonymous No.3329761]

>>3327759
>quit drawing if you're still an amateur after 1 year or you're taking the wrong approach to self promotion
Snibbedy snab

[Anonymous No.3329786]

>stop drawing this work is finished just stop ...
art teacher

[Anonymous No.3331153]

>>3329786
In what situation would a teacher ever tell you that?

[Anonymous No.3331158]

>>3331153

in the case of over rendering.

If you polish a turd it will still remain a turd, no amount of glitter will hide it.

And over rendering can actually destroy pictures that are working decently. Something well composed, well drawn and planned can function amazingly with little to no rendering.

Maybe he tought is was crabby advice because he doesn´t get it. But i have given the same advice countless times in class

[Anonymous No.3331418]

>>3323956
>doesn't see shapes as primal squares and spheres
>doesn't use grid vision
this is a good way to git gud at perspective though

[Anonymous No.3331420]

>>3324353
>don't erase
What the fuck?? For PENCILS?

[Anonymous No.3333585]

>>3329535
no they don't. "red" hair is orange not red.

[Anonymous No.3333744]

>>3324823
>you don't need fancy tools
Technically, yeah, you don't need great tools to make great stuff, but better tools give more consistent results, allowing you to spend less time fighting with your tools and more time fighting with your own ineptitude. I'd say go with the cheaper stuff at first and get a wide variety of tools and use those until you can actually notice the ways in which your tools are cheap crap, then upgrade to something more consistent. Only thing I'd certainly say as an exception to this is... just don't use a ballpoint pen, my god, they're awful, get a fountain/dip pen and some felt tips, they really do not cost that much more.

There's also the fact that better tools make you look better while doing art, which doesn't matter as much if you're naked inside a home studio selling smut to internet weirdos but does start to matter if you're trying to sell your stuff or take commissions out in public. Using more professional LOOKING tools makes you look like you know what you're doing, it's dumb, I know, but appearance is important. If you're doing comparable work to someone else and you have better looking tools and a better appearance overall you're going to be trusted over people that skimped on that and be able to charge more since your market becomes people who are a bit nervous about the weird lookin' guy rather than people rushing to buy at bargain basement price. Your appearance as an artist is an art in itself and looking business gets you business.

[Anonymous No.3333786]

>>3324799
you still draw like you are in grade 7

[Anonymous No.3333796]

>>3327020
>never do this
>it doesn't actually mean never do this

what

[Spooky_eggs No.3334251]

>>3324823
I upgraded my art program and now I have unlimited layers and a stabiliser, I feel like I only thought I lived in mid class when I really was living in the slums.

[Anonymous No.3334311]

>>3333786
maximum crab

[Anonymous No.3334318]

>>3329786
I got angry at that at first but then realized they were right. There is no point in over rendering a piece that has poor fundamentals. It's often better to do a few different drawing then to dwell on a single one too long. Or sometimes a simplified drawing is just more appealing, a desire to render heavily every single time is just your need to show off.

>>3331420
if you're doing quick gestures you shouldn't bother with erasing because that defeats the purpose of the exercise. It's fine to erase when doing full rendering, but you still shouldn't rely on it too much since you'll just destroy the paper eventually.

[Anonymous No.3334360]

>everything needs to be fully rendered

[Anonymous No.3336456]

>>3333744
>don't use a ballpoint pen
Biros are god-tier for sketching and shading 2D though. Katsuhiro Otomo's son uses biros for most of his work. If you can get one with reddish black ink not blue-ish, it's like the perfect blend of a pencil's varying pressure and texture, and the boldness and clarity of a pen.

[Anonymous No.3336471]

>>3327394
>a crab not knowing what he is.

[Anonymous No.3336475]

>>3329535
complementary colors are not about appeal. They're about contrast.

>>3333585
wtf are you even talking about. We are talking about photos.

[Anonymous No.3336478]

>>3329535
complementary colors are not about appeal. They're about contrast.

>>3333585
what are you talking about? We aren't talking about photos. It can be whatever color the artist want.

[Anonymous No.3336484]

>>3336478
>It can be whatever color the artist want.
It can be, but assuming they are trying to portray naturalistic red hair, it will be orange instead of red. I've heard this suggestion outside of the art world as well. Like "oh that girl has nice red hair. she should wear green clothes because red and green are complimentary". It's just Idiotic.

[Anonymous No.3336501]

>>3323909

>Don't flip the canvas when you're drawing on photoshop it's a crutch.

I heard this from Istebrak and I already knew she's full of shit.

>Never zoom when you draw on photoshop, so that you can transfer your skills from digital to traditional

I heard this from moderdayjames and he's also full of shit.

I haven't used traditional mediums for 2 months, only digital, and I'm still better at traditional mediums

[Anonymous No.3336510]

>>3336501
It is a crutch. If you need to flip to see if you're drawing is fucked, then you might need to fix your eyes instead. Also flipping too much fucks up your image perception because it's constantly changing.

[Anonymous No.3336520]

>>3336510
this, it's another shitty meme crabs perpetuate to trap beginners

[Anonymous No.3336536]

>>3336510
>>3336520
you know you can flip the image in real life, right? people have been doing it since long before digital drawing was even a thing.

[Anonymous No.3336539]

>>3336510

>It is a crutch. If you need to flip to see if you're drawing is fucked, then you might need to fix your eyes instead.

How the hell are you going to fix your eyes when you don't know what's wrong with what you're seeing in the first place???

[Anonymous No.3336649]

>>3336510
>>3336520

My god. Everything is a crutch with you idiots. References are a crutch. Cintiqs are a crutch. decent art supplies are a crutch. Practicing is a crutch. Digital art is a crutch.

The only thing that wouldn't be a crutch to you frigging crabs is drawing on printer paper with a #2 pencil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uq9pp586AE

[Anonymous No.3337524]

>>3336649
Bic pen, erasing and tones are crutches.

[Anonymous No.3337531]

>>3336510
>>3336520
Leave /ic/ forever

[Anonymous No.3337619]

>>3336649
>paper
>pencil
Lmao good luck not making it using those meme crutches, you fucking plebeian.
REAL artists buy slabs of granite and carve the drawings out with their fingernails.

[Anonymous No.3337626]

>>3326963
t. crab whos been identified and categorized

[Anonymous No.3338815]

>>3324823
Everything that save you time helps, some epic tools do that, i mean if something that cost 400% more makes you 5% more efficient then you save 5% of your time, that seems low, but that would get you 5% everyday, and that´s huge. I have no evidence about this, i mean you can buy a 1$ pencil and become a master with it eventually

[Anonymous No.3339497]

>just draw and paint everyday, you'll be just like me. It's already a common sense right?

I got that sarcastic answer from asking a well known artist, in Comicon Asia. The audience laugh after hearing his answer, what a fucking asshole.

[Anonymous No.3339504]

>>3339497
:(

[Anonymous No.3339669]

>>3339497
Wait, you expected serious and good advice on one of those panel things? Because that's brain-damage material.

[Anonymous No.3339673]

>>3339497
A vague answer for an equally vague question, not much surprise here. Did you think he's going to do a 3-hour workshop of his entire knowledge base?

[Anonymous No.3339809]

>>3323909
>never trace anything
>tracing is the only practice you need
>you need to draw the figure like michelangelo before you can make cartoons
>you're just 10,000 boxes away from being able to draw a circle, keep on trucking!
>You don't need to know anything about real anatomy, just draw noodlearms!
>use anime meme emoticon expressions for everything. they're easier than learning how face actually works
>never use symbolic expressions, you must draw either exagerated or accurate faces.
>only idiots grind out boxes, expressive painting is all you need
>Expressive painting is just a meme
>Modern art is pure trash, only study the old masters
>Jackson Polock is the one true art style, ignore everything else

[Anonymous No.3339815]

>>3339809
>Jackson Polock is the one true art style, ignore everything else
did anyone ever say that?

[Anonymous No.3339936]

>>3337619
>Lmao good luck not making it using those meme crutches, you fucking plebeian.
>REAL artists buy slabs of granite and carve the drawings out with their fingernails.

Gave me a good chuckle there, son.

Also, AI coloring is a crutch, don't use it for your own artistic purposes.
https://paintschainer.preferred.tech/index_en.html

[Anonymous No.3340122]

>>3339815
No, It was meant as an absurd representation of people that go on about how you need to do things in one particular style or other. Jackson Pollock's work is interesting and was envelope pushing at its time and there is money to be made in abstract expressionism but the real "art" of that kind of art was always in how artfully you can justify it. I think it's interesting to reintegrate those kinds of highly abstract styles back into something representational.

[Anonymous No.3340867]

>>3339673
>>>3339673

It was a 1 day workshop you fucking faggots. I paid for that damn workshop. It was expensive af and it wasn't even worth price I paid for. I was expecting a few critiques and good answers to our questions, regarding about our art, and how to get a job in the industry. He was just flaunting off his portfolio to everyone, sharing stories throughout the day. He gave no useful advice or whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.3341296]

>>3333786
Kys