How the fuck do I draw eyes following the form of the head and how does this even work with anime.

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Anonymous Sat Feb 17 00:57:39 2018 No.3313441 [Reply] [Original]

How the fuck do I draw eyes following the form of the head and how does this even work with anime.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 01:04:07 2018 No.3313442 Literally loomis Also loomis but simplified

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 01:06:22 2018 No.3313444 >>3313442 Loomis didn't help

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 01:09:42 2018 No.3313448 >>3313444 study loomis for a few more years until you fucking get it jesus christ

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 01:10:46 2018 No.3313450 File: 367 KB, 1000x1495, pbanimation02-big.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3313441 It's literally classic cartooning, just paint the eyes on, don't make them bulge out or they'll break the simple form of the face.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 01:18:32 2018 No.3313458 >>3313444 >Loomis didn't help No wait. Let me guess. You just copied his drawings without actually studding his concepts and making your own art based on those ideas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 01:19:25 2018 No.3313459 >>3313458 No

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 01:22:21 2018 No.3313462 Itt: I drew something 5 times and it looked shit, how do they do it??? Yeah, nah, draw it 1000 times and copy reference for studies then you'll learn Remember it takes 1000hours to learn a skill 10000 to master it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 02:04:50 2018 No.3313486 >>3313459 Then what exactly where you hung up on?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 03:09:20 2018 No.3313524 stop trying to draw anime

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 03:16:04 2018 No.3313528 >>3313524 No, why is this board so anti-anime.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 03:25:33 2018 No.3313533 File: 371 KB, 1000x800, 13_-_SnTNL8y.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3313528 because imitation anime looks hideous and it's cart before the horse. mangakas learn traditional anatomy, so should you

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 04:35:32 2018 No.3313569 >>3313533 where do you even get BULLSHIT SHEETS like this from anyways who likes to spew this nonsense

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 08:00:26 2018 No.3313653 >>3313569 Skilled artists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 08:26:02 2018 No.3313671 >>3313653 obviously not lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 08:33:59 2018 No.3313674 >>3313653 Skilled at spouting bullshit, maybe. Surprised they didn't throw some politics into their bullshit spew there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 08:36:16 2018 No.3313676 >>3313674 >>3313671 Not that anon, but it'd be nice if you shared your viewpoint on that and explain why it's bullshit. It makes sense to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 08:59:00 2018 No.3313690 >>3313569 I got it from an /ic/ discord and I posted it as an example of westernized "anime" looking hideous. hope you could gleen that much from my post...

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:04:43 2018 No.3313695 >>3313674 the advice is solid, the faces are butt ugly. you can simplify faces and forms but specifically mimicking anime without learning anatomy looks terrible

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:15:29 2018 No.3313706
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Fuckin crabs, Loomis actually doesn't help in this case. You have to think more cartoony like >>3313450

That is the answer. More simple shapes, and you can even curve the shapes a little more to mimic a human skull.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:17:51 2018 No.3313709 >>3313706 Fun With a Pencil goes over these concepts exactly. What are you on about?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:20:12 2018 No.3313710 >>3313709 In the worst way possible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:22:00 2018 No.3313711 >>3313710 how are disney animal faces better?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:30:36 2018 No.3313713 disney = loomis only idiots think otherwise you're not an idiot, are you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:32:12 2018 No.3313714 >>3313713 Didn't preston blair come out before loomis? Regardless, disney said they learned how to draw from preston blair, not loomis. And guess what, anime is just a watered down version of disney. SO THERE YA' GO!

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:38:11 2018 No.3313718 [DELETED]

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>>3313714
who cares, loomis covers this exact shit in his books. are their preston blair books in publication where he covers the construction of forms from simple shapes all the way to realistic heads? no? then why are you being so pedantic? by all means stockpile everything you can of early disney animation and study them but loomis is not bad at teaching this.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:42:31 2018 No.3313720

>>3313718
>are their preston blair books in publication where he covers the construction of forms from simple shapes all the way to realistic heads

Yes. In the very same book posted here >>3313450
Stop acting like you know what you're talking about already. Fuck Loomis, go straight to the source; Preston Blair cartooning book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:44:40 2018 No.3313722 >>3313720 you know what, I just found them. I do want to check them out even though my goal isn't to make cartoons. loomis still covers this though, surely because he copied them from preston blair.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:54:23 2018 No.3313730

>>3313533
Where exactly did teal learn his information anyway. And don't say loomis because you know damn well he knows something all of /ic/ doesn't know. It's not practice, either. Just looking at his notes has some good information not found in loomis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 09:54:52 2018 No.3313733 >>3313713 >>3313714 It's all the same shit. Simplify forms and build from them. They both go into detail about it, so I recommend studying both till you get a firm grasp on the concepts.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 11:05:46 2018 No.3313795
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>>3313711
Look at how Loomis does cartoon heads, he adds cheekbones eyelids, eyelids,bags under eyes, eye sockets, cheek fat, eyebrow muscles, and lips. Preston Blair just does a few of those things and doesn't go full autist with planes like Loomis. Even then Anime is still more minimal than Preston Blair so why go full autist and learn all that crap Loomis shows you when Preston Blair shows you something simpler that is still steps above anime construction?

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 11:21:13 2018 No.3313808

>>3313795
Anon... you're not supposed to copy his stuff note for note. You're just supposed to learn the concepts of construction. You don't need to add things like jowels and big noses to your own pieces. He provided examples so you could understand how adding mass to form works.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 11:25:42 2018 No.3313815

>>3313444
You have to realize that 90% of anime literally uses the same exact face anatomy for every shot.

A person could turn to the right 55 degrees and their anime face would be the exact same.

Since you're shit and probably approach things in terms of stylization, you will never learn to loomis anime.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 12:48:24 2018 No.3313880 >>3313533 >because imitation anime looks hideous Then how do the drawfags on /a/ do it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 13:32:46 2018 No.3313946 >>3313795 I like these, forces you think about forms and planes that are actually on human faces. sorry it doesn't translate to moe blobs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 13:56:16 2018 No.3313972 NIGGA DIDN'T BOTHER so my father didn't help, so when my mom would beat my ass she would always hit me with gucci belts gucci imprints from leather welts

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 14:02:15 2018 No.3313976 File: 61 KB, 880x660, cac.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wait you're saying I don't NEED to copy the people HE draws but rather the shapes he provides? Like my picture?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 14:02:47 2018 No.3313978 File: 89 KB, 880x660, cacodemon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] oops i mean this one

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 14:03:32 2018 No.3313980
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>>3313815
>90% of anime literally uses the same exact face anatomy for every shot.

>you will never learn to loomis anime

I have no dog in this fight but please kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 15:36:52 2018 No.3314106 >>3313980 and you will fly

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 19:16:46 2018 No.3314351 >>3313978 In essence, yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 19:21:54 2018 No.3314359 >>3313441 >>3313442 >>3313444 Anime Loomis: https://e-hentai.org/g/949641/caef6d2556/ I hope you can read moonspeak. If you don't, head over to /jp/ and set up your anki deck, it's not that hard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 19:29:34 2018 No.3314368 >>3314359 >Book starts out with information on programs instead of traditional art supplies. Thank God.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 19:30:38 2018 No.3314370 >>3314359 Literally looks like weaboo tumblr shit. Please tell me the author has made a manga and please tell me the sale figures.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 19:44:38 2018 No.3314380 >>3314370 ngmi Stay shitty you salty crab.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 19:58:28 2018 No.3314397 >>3314380 Well where is this guy's manga?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 20:06:11 2018 No.3314405 >>3314397 >>3314370 What does it matter if he had a manga or not? Is the quality of the work itself not evident enough of his ability?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 20:13:09 2018 No.3314412 >>3314397 Where's Loomis' manga?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 20:15:00 2018 No.3314413 >>3314405 I need to know if the artist actually made it or is a Chris Hart type that just sells shitty art books.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 20:23:42 2018 No.3314422 File: 212 KB, 969x1000, manga_vs_loomis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3314412 Here

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 20:33:57 2018 No.3314425

>>3314422
>plagiarize Loomis book
>add poorly drawn manga heads to the figures
>market yourself as an authentic mangaka from japan with mangas so obscure no one in the west has seen them
>profit, the NGMIs this is marketed to can't judge quality
Is /ic/ really too dumb to not see this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 20:36:28 2018 No.3314429 >>3314425 Speaking of, Araki has a "how to draw manga" book, and it's quite good I hear.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 21:03:39 2018 No.3314447 >>3314425 Do you want to get better at art or do you just want to shitpost?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 21:05:38 2018 No.3314450 File: 188 KB, 1080x720, Photo on 2-17-18 at 7.04 PM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3314429 yeah it's pretty good

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 21:46:29 2018 No.3314481 File: 1.01 MB, 1803x2560, 123123123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just get this instead

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 21:47:17 2018 No.3314483
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>>3314429
I own the book myself (pic related), and while it has more to do with the process behind Araki's storytelling in JoJo, it does have some pretty good pointers regarding art in comics and manga and could definitely be great reading material if that's the kind of thing you're focused on

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 21:52:43 2018 No.3314489 >>3314483 Looks nice. On the subject, I'm not a fan of his anatomy work, but this does book give enough information to provide really neat construction tips that can allow plenty of freedom like hampton?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 21:57:08 2018 No.3314491 >>3314481 Is there a torrent/download for this? I don't care if it's untranslated, I'm learning Nip already anyway. >>3314483 I plan on picking this up in the near future.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 22:02:00 2018 No.3314494
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>>3314489
Yeah it has information on how Araki puts together a typical manga/comic page and how he shows a certain atmosphere or tone in his works. I suppose if you're looking for something strictly art-related, there might be better books out there, but I think it covers both the art and writing parts of putting together a comic pretty well, though granted I don't own many art books so take my word with a grain of salt

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 22:02:43 2018 No.3314496 File: 1.16 MB, 3024x4032, unnamed (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3314489

Anonymous Sun Feb 18 09:50:08 2018 No.3314943
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geez this thread is a shitshow.

what loomis book should I read to learn how to draw proper eyes? The people in the /beg/ thead told me 'Drawing the Head and Hands' was to advanced, but fun with pencil feels like a kids book?

Anonymous Sun Feb 18 10:27:23 2018 No.3314979
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>>3314943
Fun with a pencil is a kid's book yes. Successful Drawing is good to start with, deals with seeing forms and applying it with linear perspective to anything at all. It's a dry read and all sounds oh-so-obvious, but applying it as you work is a different story entirely.
Good shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 10:36:37 2018 No.3314993 >>3314979 alright tnx anon, scanned through it real quick, hope I can keep up.

Anonymous Sun Feb 18 10:43:01 2018 No.3314995
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>>3314993
If you want to see videos of Loomis in practice, just track down some Vilppu. Same principles.
Kim Jung Gi does the same stuff but unfortunately for trying to learn, it's mostly in his head and in Korean. Still fun to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uylB8djVDxE

Anonymous Sun Feb 18 10:48:23 2018 No.3315000

>>3313441
the front of the head is a plane, yes?
The face is parented to the front of the head, no?
A door can be conceptualized as a plane, correct?
A door rotates around its hinge axis, isn't it?
The foreshortening of the door makes it converge around its axis, maybe?
So the contents of the plane converges on the edge closest to the axis of rotation, peradventure?

Thus the eyes converge and foreshorten on the edge closest to the direction of the rotation?

If i turn my head to the left, are my eyes not therefore converging to the left? To the right,the right, and so on?

Anonymous Sun Feb 18 11:13:57 2018 No.3315020
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>>3313441
Eyes don't sit on a plane. They are inbetween two slopes. One slope goes up to the brows, one slope goes down to the front part of the face. Centerline is horizontal. Eyes are balls and the contact line between ball and slopes looks like an almond from the front, (actually like a teardrop since the horinzontal centerline moves outward.

Actual eye roundness depends on the inclination of each of the slopes

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 12:41:26 2018 No.3315129 >>3314995 I love how Kim Jung Gi explains his methods. It's so simple, yet effective, all the way requiring soooo much practice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 12:56:12 2018 No.3315160 >>3313441 (OP) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-bCgRmcko

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 12:59:28 2018 No.3315166 >>3315160 This video will do very little to help. Anime eye and Real life eyes are 2 different things, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 13:00:28 2018 No.3315169 >>3315166 he want's to know the form of the eyes. then he can simplify it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 13:01:38 2018 No.3315175 >>3315169 Yes, there's been discussions on how already, retard. And the correct way. Scroll up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 13:05:22 2018 No.3315185 >>3315175 i just gave a fucking video link, im not gonna read all this shit to be able to post it. bye

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 13:07:33 2018 No.3315189 >>3315185 >How to spot a crab: the post

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 13:09:35 2018 No.3315193 >>3314995 jeez that guy has a callus on his middle finger from all the drawing

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 13:13:15 2018 No.3315200 >>3315169 +1 for the correct way to go about it

Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:33:56 2018 No.3316837
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>>3314422
You know, grabbing a ball and chopping off the sides is basically the idea way in drawing a head.

It's simple, very effective, works for any style.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 23:19:05 2018 No.3319070 >>3314450 oh my lord how horrifying

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 23:31:46 2018 No.3319082 File: 336 KB, 700x1100, tumblr_ozhy97rJsl1w605kao1_1280.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3313671 >>3313569 pic related is the artist's more recent drawing on an anime character

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 23:40:01 2018 No.3319091 >>3319082 tumblr link?

Anonymous Thu Feb 22 00:45:58 2018 No.3319118

>>3313880
They're probably asian. I've yet to find a causasian that can draw anime shit that actually looks like anime shit and not a westerner drawing anime. If you know of some that are confirmed white feel free to link them but every time they're either asian-american, korean, or mexican for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 00:46:37 2018 No.3319119 >>3319082 Her arms must be sticks

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 00:53:48 2018 No.3319128 File: 1.58 MB, 600x337, joão do lago.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3319118 The fact you think to even mention Mexicans is proof you don't have to be Asian to draw anime.

Anonymous Thu Feb 22 01:02:26 2018 No.3319134

>>3319128
It's not about not being asian it's about being caucasian. I don't care what other people can do I care what I can do and if all my peers can't or don't appear to be able to do something then it's worrying for me. It won't stop me from trying of course but it's nice to have.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 01:42:40 2018 No.3319144 >>3319118 Are you retarded? The spics are the worst at drawing anime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 02:18:13 2018 No.3319160 >>3319144 There's like one or two I've seen that have come close so I felt like mentioning it. As opposed to the zero white people I've seen. It still looks off though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 03:53:34 2018 No.3319194 >>3319134 lmao.

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