/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3311911]

If y'all were on the fence about getting CSP, now is a great time.

[Anonymous No.3311936]

>>3311911
is EX worth it for normal illustration?

[Anonymous No.3311941]

>>3311911
Serious question, is this any worth over SAI or PS or krita? Dont feel like spending money but I heard its great for drawing doujinshis.

[Anonymous No.3311942]

>>3311936
I'd like to know as well but I'm also gonna do some simpler webcomics on the side.

[Anonymous No.3311943]

What if I already have manga studio?

[Anonymous No.3311997]

>>3311911
So why should I get this over Krita?
I'm a noob so explain what's better about this over Krita.

Also Krita barely takes up resources which I like. I only have 4GB of RAM on my tablet

[Anonymous No.3312013]

>>3311936
Ex has only more features for anime and comics

[Anonymous No.3312062]

>>3311997
If you like Krita, keep using it, I have both and I still prefer Krita. Clip Studio has some nice default brushes for inking stuff and much better vector drawing shit, that's basically it.

[Anonymous No.3312071]

>>3312062
CSP has built in animation support and mannequins.

There's a fuckin demo guys, just DL it and see if it's for you, you've got five days till the sale is over.

[Anonymous No.3312085]

>tfw pirated both

[Anonymous No.3312087]

>>3312085
Pirating isn't hard you know, all of us could do it.
I think what CSP's company is offering is well worth the amount they're asking, so I paid for it.

[Anonymous No.3312091]

>>3312087
this. plus you dont get access to the free shit they offer if you pirate

[Anonymous No.3312111]

>>3311911
>tfw buying a new copy of EX is the same price as upgrading to EX from pro
otherwise been pretty good so far

[Anonymous No.3312157]

i use mspaint for drawing, convince me to buy this

[Anonymous No.3312172]

This isn't one of those new subscription software shit is it? I know a few other companies are adopting this under the guise of "support".

[Anonymous No.3312179]

>>3312172
No. Pay once get it forever. I wish more companies offered such deals for their programs. Adobe's subsciption services are a joke.

[Anonymous No.3312180]

I tired to buy it and it just showed me an error message that they aren't allow to sell this to the chinese. I get australia is close to china but still. Guess I won't be buying it.

[Anonymous No.3312187]

>>3312111
Makes sense to me. Otherwise everyone would just buy Pro and immediately upgrade to EX at a discount.

[Anonymous No.3312189]

>>3312172
No. And subscription programs like that are a massive scam that's only "ok" because big companies are doing it.

[Anonymous No.3312191]

>>3311911
Very tempting deal. How good is CSP for actual painting? so far Ive been using SAI 2, and with custom square brushes with textures and rotation locks its worked fine, but there just seems to be more to brushes than that from what ive seen on PS

[Anonymous No.3312196]

I'm poor and would rather pirate first. Could you guys give me a proper comparison of Sai, PS, Manga Studio, and CSP?

My computer has an input delay when I draw in Photoshop but has all the tools I need while every other program is smooth but doesn't have enough tools and is more specialized and specific. I often just switch from program to program, but I'm getting annoyed with not being able to use just the one.

[Anonymous No.3312200]

>>3312191
Think of it this way. CSP is like Photoshop geared more for drawing/painting while SAI is like Photoshop lite; with all the excess non-painting features cut out.

[Anonymous No.3312206]

>>3312200
Hmm.. Oki.

Does CSP have any bloat to it? I dont really enjoy the feeling of heavy duty software. What I liked most about sai was how lightweight it felt

[Anonymous No.3312207]

>>3312196
>Could you guys give me a proper comparison of Sai, PS, Manga Studio, and CSP?
SAI is lightweight. It has all the basic features you'd want for digital art, but lacks more advanced and helpful features of other programs. It's advantage is in its ease and overall stability.

Photoshop is the industry standard. It wasn't ever made for art specifically, but the many tools and functions it has have made it very popular. Particularly good program if you ever want to print physical copies. It's also the most bloated and expensive and has switched to a rather dumb subscription model.

Manga Studio and CSP are really the same program. It's like SAI in that it's like a stripped down Photoshop, but it adds a lot of features and tools for digital artists SAI simply doesn't have. It's sort of in between the other two.

Each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Just start off with whichever one appeals to you most. I recomend either SAI or CPS as SAI is cheap and CPS goes on sale often and can be upgraded from the cheaper version if the tools of EX appeal to you.

>>3312206
Not terribly so. It runs faster than Photoshop in any case based on my personal use. It can be complex coming in from SAI, but it won't take too long to get beyond the learning curve.

[Anonymous No.3312419]

>paying for software
>paying for specialized anime drawing software
>falling for "specialized anime drawing software" meme

[Anonymous No.3312422]

>>3312419

begone crab

[Anonymous No.3312426]

>>3312062
Thanks, gonna stay with my FOSS

[Anonymous No.3312427]

>>3312422
>shills MUH STABILIZERS 4 EASY WAIFUS
>calls someone crab

[Anonymous No.3312429]

>>3312427
Most drawing programs have stabilizers these days anon. Shitpost in a faster board if you must, but forced ignorance is easily dealt with here.

[Anonymous No.3312431]

>>3312427

Oh so you're an idiot as well. Only an idiot doesn't know the purpose of what a stabilizer does. I'll be nice and inform you so you don't make yourself look extremely stupid next time.

The stabilizer is there to help you mimic the friction of hand to paper as in the real world. By default, a low stabilization is actually ideal but you raise the number for greater control as if you were pressing on your paper to stabilize for increased precision.

[Anonymous No.3312434]

>>3312419
Get a job you worthless NEET.

[Anonymous No.3312438]

No thanks, I already have the only program I'll need as a professional :)

[Anonymous No.3312439]

>>3312431
Man, I've read some dumb shit on this board.
But do you actually believe the drivel you wrote? What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.3312461]

>>3312439

Google the definition of stabilization.

[Anonymous No.3312463]

>>3312438
everyone take note of this. csp is fucking garbage. "drawing program" my ass

[Anonymous No.3312464]

>>3312461
Google the definition of dunning-kruger effect.

[Anonymous No.3312465]

>>3312431
its called a stabilizer to stablize your shitty wobbly lines that your weak ass gazelle arms/wrist cant control, otherwise u have professionals that draw well off in photoshop including anime line art faggo

[Anonymous No.3312466]

>>3312464

Just did, saw your art right next to it.

[Anonymous No.3312469]

>>3312465
Do you have a form of stabilization in real life, yes or no?

[Anonymous No.3312471]

>>3312469
no thats why stabilizers are unethical it has nothing to do with "mimicing" anything its a terrible auxiliary

[Anonymous No.3312472]

>>3312471
>no

Well you're wrong. I rest my case, crab.
>thats why stabilizers are unethical

Literally go on pixiv right now and you'll see all the "professionals" have their stabilizer set to their preferable number. To have it on 0 because some /ic/ moron says it's for people with a grandmas hand is what a misinformed individual would say.

[Anonymous No.3312474]

>>3312472
I'll even go for you. 1 random click and...?

[Anonymous No.3312475]

>>3312472
kid, ive done plenty of line art on photoshop and sai with 0 stab im sorry your arm is shit at control
you dont know what youre talking about, now begone faggo

[Anonymous No.3312476]

>>3312475
>kid

Sup gramps. Feeling retarded yet?

[Anonymous No.3312477]

>>3312476

[Anonymous No.3312478]

>>3312477

[Anonymous No.3312480]

>>3312476
retarded for what? not using handicap plugins? literally anything worthwhile is done in Photoshop that doesn't have an existing stabilizer, you know why? because its un fucking necessary, the only people who complain about this are the ones with terrible control and having a cintiq completely makes this utterly useless

https://youtu.be/GbS1oYZihis?t=931

feeling retarded yet?

[Anonymous No.3312482]

>>3312480
You have no way to prove there isn't a plugin being used. The pro Japs use cintiqs and still use stabilization. You're only handicapping yourself.

[Anonymous No.3312483]

>>3312429
>Most drawing programs have stabilizers these days
But MUH STABILIZERS is only argument weebs have when they shill their SUPERIOUR WAIFU GENERATION SOFTWARE.
>it's uhh ehh uhhh better for lineart and uhh ehmm don't have all the functions you don't really need and uhh umm PHOTOSHOP IS ACTUALLY A PHOTO EDITING TOOL HAHA XD

[Anonymous No.3312484]

>>3312472
>pixiv
>professionals
>>3312474
>posts anime

[Anonymous No.3312486]

>>3312484
>thread about a sale on anime software
>not bringing up professional artist who are established in THEIR industry
>muh (((industry))) standturd
Now I know you're shitposting. But it's understandable; you're regurgitating everything you've been told and you hold onto others beliefs as fact without doing your own research. Such is the life of a crab on /ic/.

[Anonymous No.3312490]

>>3312486
>thread about a sale on anime software
>anime software
Wait, you fags actually take this marketing gimmick seriously?

[Anonymous No.3312492]

have any notable (web?)comics been made with this software?

[Anonymous No.3312509]

>>3312087
>>3312091
Yes but piracy offers the same thing for free, it is objectively the better deal.

[Anonymous No.3312511]

>>3312482
lol wat, uve never used a cintiq before have you

[Anonymous No.3312512]

>>3312511
I have one on my desk. Try again lol.

[Anonymous No.3312515]

>>3312512
ur a lost cause banana boi, have fun with ur handicap plugin

[Anonymous No.3312521]

>>3312515

Have fun shitposting in another thread reciting things /ic/ beginners told you.

[Anonymous No.3312523]

Whenever I want a line to look a certain way, I simple draw it that way.
On paper, on my cintiq with Photoshop, on whatever.

[Anonymous No.3312534]

>>3312523
Nobody gives a shit about your process. I dislike using stabilization tools too, that doesn't mean I'm an overall better artist than those that use them. Plenty of artists use 3D models too and you might call it a "handicap" but in reality no one gives a fuck if you do or don't. You can train your hand to draw nothing but straight lines for a year - someone with a ruler will get the same job done in a under a minute.

[Anonymous No.3312539]

>>3312534
Whenever I want a line to look a certain way, I simply draw it that way.

[Anonymous No.3312546]

>>3312483
Faster and cheaper than Photoshop
More complex brush engine
Anything can be a vector layer to be scaled and distorted without pixelation
Better animation timeline
Tools specifically for comic paneling and creating rotationally symmetrical designs
Stabilizers so I can draw my waifu better

[Anonymous No.3312547]

>>3312484
Post your franchise.

[Anonymous No.3312549]

>>3312483
> I'm gonna post ebin memes
> That'll show 'em!

[Anonymous No.3312552]

>>3311911
>no tooltips

uninstalled right there

[Anonymous No.3312553]

>>3312547

[Anonymous No.3312578]

>>3312552

that's a decent portrait
and i usually hate digital

[Anonymous No.3312585]

>>3312546
>More complex brush engine
LOL u must be new.

[Anonymous No.3312593]

>>3312585
ttly xD

[Anonymous No.3312607]

Can you really only animate in EX and not Pro? I thought you could do it in both

[Anonymous No.3312612]

>>3312607
You can, but I think Pro is only a second.

[Anonymous No.3312615]

>>3312509
I'd prefer supporting companies so they keep making programs better and offer good prices than pirate it. Come on, it's not like it's $100. It's not even $50. Even a jobless teenager can get that amont of cash easily and pay for this program.

I understand you, I used to pirate a lot when I was younger. But $25 is nothing and I don't have to deal with having problems with updates, fishy sites or shitty cracks. If drawing is something you do very often, it's worth it.

[Anonymous No.3312621]

I feel like the cursor lags worse than PS, is there something I should tinker with?

[Anonymous No.3312622]

>>3312621
Go to Preferences -> Tablet and try changing the priority.

[Anonymous No.3312640]

>>3312593
>literally has no argument
heh

[Anonymous No.3312660]

>>3312091
The stuff in your image are distributed for free, though. I have some of them

[Anonymous No.3312936]

>>3312180
Turn off your adblocking. I got redirects too until I allowed the right scripts.

[Anonymous No.3312968]

>>3312419
>>3311283
>look mommie i shitposted on /ic/ real good can i get tendies now

[Anonymous No.3312969]

>>3312492
>have any notable (web?)comics been made with this software?
Menage a 3 and all the Pixie Trix webcomics are drawn with it.

[Anonymous No.3312980]

>>3312968
wow... youre so funny

[Anonymous No.3313100]

Should I just get pro if I don't plant on making comics?

[Anonymous No.3313109]

>>3312515
>banana boi
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.3313269]

>>3312085
Literally how, all the tpb links are dead

[Anonymous No.3313393]

so basically this program draws for me and all i have to do is trace?
if so lol, guess im buying it

[Anonymous No.3313407]

why do people buy things who cares if its cheap if you can get it for free

[Anonymous No.3313409]

>>3313407
I like to support products that interest me.

[Anonymous No.3313433]

>>3313407
Do you know how economics work, by any chance?

[Anonymous No.3313493]

>>3312483
photoshop has a stabaliser now....

[Anonymous No.3313545]

>>3312091
pirated it and can also access the free shit online

[Anonymous No.3313586]

>>3311911
Is CSP worth it for 2s animation? Or there exists better software? Is Corel Painter for animation comparable?

[Anonymous No.3313588]

>>3313586
2d animation (corrected)

[Anonymous No.3313605]

>things sai and csp users can't do

[Anonymous No.3313618]

>>3313586
Apparently Krita's animation tool is great, I haven't used it yet.

[Anonymous No.3313625]

>>3311911
Bump

[Anonymous No.3313649]

>>3313588
Well the cheaper version allows only 24 frames total, so you're not wrong with "2s".

[Anonymous No.3313822]

>>3313269
>Tpb
Lmao get on cgpeers scrub

[Anonymous No.3313825]

>>3313822
>cgpeers
>First thing site shows me is my IP

spooky

[Anonymous No.3313848]

>>3313100
Yes

>>3313586
I hated the timeline so it's no good for me. But you can give it a shot, pretty sure it's in the trial version as well.

[Anonymous No.3314045]

OP is based

Always avoided sales because it was only for the pro version. Glad I finally own EX.
Its also an upgrade for me from Manga Studio 5. The new features are so small but make a HUGE difference. I also tested on my Windows Tablet and touch support is surprisingly excellent.

All I hope for now is a sale for Design Doll and I think I'd have all the software I need

[Anonymous No.3314047]

>>3313825
Every site you browse gets your IP. That's how the internet works homie

[Anonymous No.3314058]

>>3311997
>krita barely takes up resources
HOW?

[Anonymous No.3314060]

>>3314047
Yeah I know, but most sites aren't in your face about it.

[Anonymous No.3314439]

>>3313605

Draw with their left hand?

[Anonymous No.3314527]

>>3312071
krita has built in animation support too

[Anonymous No.3314550]

So, what do I do about this? I don't remember selecting a language when installing, but is there a way to make it English?

[Anonymous No.3314551]

>>3314550
It asked what language you wanted in the install.

[Anonymous No.3314552]

>>3314551
Damn. Can I change it from here or do I need to reinstall?

[Anonymous No.3314559]

>>3311911
>paying for programs
lel

[Anonymous No.3314574]

>>3311997
Anyone else using Medibang for comics and Krita for everything else (like painting)? I would just use Krtia for everything but Medibang comes with awesome resources for making comics.

I think MSpaint's text tool is probably even better than Krita's.

[Anonymous No.3314588]

>>3314559
We get it, you're proud of being a parasite. We got the message the first time.

[Anonymous No.3314611]

>>3314559
I could never find a working English crack, so I just bought it anyway. 25 bucks isn't too much. I can make that back in a quick sketch commission

[Anonymous No.3314759]

>>3312187
It doesn't make any sense.

You wouldn't get any discount by doing as you suggest since the price for buying pro and then upgrading combined should be the same as just buying a new Ex. The way it is now they are giving existing customers a worse deal and that's a pretty shitty move on their part.

[Anonymous No.3314773]

>>3314759
Oh, I thought you meant that buying EX or buying Pro and then upgrading to EX come out to the same price, and that's a problem.

[Anonymous No.3314780]

>>3314773
Learn to read.

Currently you can buy the Ex which includes Pro for the same price an existing Pro customer needs to pay to upgrade to the Ex features. Pro already have most of the Ex features.

There's literally no reason to upgrade. If you want Ex and got Pro then just buy a new Ex which already include Pro. That's the problem.

[Anonymous No.3314787]

>>3314773
That's what he wrote. The post he replied to thought existing pro users would get a benefit if they subtracted the pro's price when upgrading from pro to ex.

[Anonymous No.3314927]

Is it normal for CSP to take up more resources than PS?

[Anonymous No.3315108]

Is there any reason to use this over photoshop other than price or because it runs on your toaster better than photoshop?

[Anonymous No.3315238]

>>3315108
The price certainly helps but there are a lot of other factors. I'm very familiar with PS from a photo editing, manipulating, and designing standpoint. Try the demo and you'll see, but it never really feels like you're in a program made for painting (not a knock on any of the things you can make with PS/any painting program). I'm not using as many keyboard shortcuts and layers to do normal things, and the tool/brush defaults by default are a lot better and easy to customize/surface customization options. It lets me focus on the work and not how I'm trying to get around the limitations of the program. How vectors can be integrated for linework allows for some really cool features like adjusting weight after you've drawn a line. There are enough unglamorous quality of life features that make the $25 well worth it, and you can export it to Photoshop to finish up there. I've used some programs that already had some features like Krita but having another resource with the Asset "store" is always nice to have for inspiration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCrVEa_7jpU&list=PLdrDlkpfTuBXS6DFOhKTu0J3lWioapNxx&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONv_Y0Mts20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC6iyhLGs2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w26m0uVll0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsyNOEaML_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RzF4jpzQlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8wG8BvpFmA

Painting with transparency is another feature I like (using the brush you have selected to act as an eraser instead of having to import the brush as an eraser). There's other features you can find demos of on youtube but those are what sold me on buying it. I will say there might be some performance settings I have to tweak but there are some occasional slowdowns.

[Anonymous No.3316240]

>>3311911
I just bought it. If it wasn't for your thread I would've missed the discount, so thanks for making me save 20€ anon.

[Anonymous No.3316275]

Is the animation in csp good? Since Im considering getting EX, otherwise I just take PRO and animate with other program.

[Anonymous No.3316283]

>>3316275
Test it out before you try. I replied to another anon above, the timeline is utter crap, very unintuitive. Just give it a shot and try for yourself.

[Anonymous No.3316285]

>>3316275
Krita has the best animation timeline, CSP's is shit but it's a step up from photoshop's

[Anonymous No.3316291]

>>3316285
...and by best animation timeline I mean that in the literal sense-not just vs CSP and Photoshop. I have used every mainstream animation program out there (besides Cacani I guess) and Krita shits on them all in a big way just by being so damn simple.

>it's basically flash's timeline but drawing frames are considered "exposed" until they're broken up by another drawing frame

Holy FUCK that's good my dudes.

For what it's worth CSP's isn't that bad and the program itself is extremely light weight and stable. Might still be worth it while Krita's kinks are ironed out over the next three or four years, but I kind of don't think so.

[Anonymous No.3316292]

>>3315108
No, not particularly.

[Anonymous No.3317146]

>>3315238
>Painting with transparency is another feature I like (using the brush you have selected to act as an eraser instead of having to import the brush as an eraser)
Fucking THIS.
When I bought it I pointed this out to my friends and they laughed at it and thought it was totally pointless. I didn't understand how potentially useful it was then either but now I use it all the fucking time. It's so much more convenient to be able to turn any brush into an eraser and it helps a ton rendering textures. Same thing with the gradient eraser. There's just so much more control.

[Anonymous No.3317590]

I bought it and I like it, but I do miss Krita's easy brush managing system. Being able to make my own brush pallet and accessing everything I need on the fly without switching tabs was god-tier. Might have that in it too but I've only had it for a few days so I haven't explored everything about it yet.

[Anonymous No.3317703]

>>3317590
Just design your own brushes or copy the ones you like into a single tab. Stuff like water color or oil painting is just brush features and those attributes don't need to be restricted to the default tabs.

[Anonymous No.3317717]

>>3311941
I ended up going back to Krita. Couldn't be assed to get used to a new toolset that I found to actually be lacking compared to Krita, if you can believe it.

[Anonymous No.3318325]

>>3317717
What did you find lacking? (Krita user slowly migrating to CPS here)

The only thing I found lacking is gmic (can use gmic-qt though) and painting in different colour spaces

[Anonymous No.3318332]

>>3317703

Yeah but you still can't save your brush sets right? That's pretty ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.3318739]

>>3312492
Tokyo ghoul

[Anonymous No.3318937]

>>3318332
They are still there when you load it up again. I don't know if you can make a new category though but personally I've just converted the oil brush set into my own custom set that covers everything I need.

[Anonymous No.3318963]

>>3312419

the 'manga' part of manga studio is literally just marketing, you don't need to use it for drawing anime you retard.

[Anonymous No.3318967]

>>3312475

And I can bike to work on a unicycle, so what?

[Anonymous No.3318972]

>>3312492
Pretty sure Tsugumomo is, but with a much older version

[Anonymous No.3319182]

>upgrade to ex
>hold shift on startup becauase after a year of use my lazy ass had my brushes and settings all fucked up and mismatched everywhere
>UI is now dark, oooh
>But it's also fucking lagging the shit out of my strokes which it didn't do before, I can't make a file over 2000 some odd by 2000, the DPI changes how big I can make the file, can't go up to sizes like 5000 anymore

What the fuck did I do?

[Anonymous No.3319195]

>>3318937

What I mean is you can't save your brushes into a single file like in Photoshop, which makes backing up, sharing and importing brushes a hassle. I periodically back up the CELSYS_EN folder to backup the brushes.

When you import brushes you need to either import then one by one or by dragging and dropping the individual .sut files into clip studio. It's messy.

[Anonymous No.3319196]

>>3319182
You can change the UI color in preferences atleast

[Anonymous No.3320063]

>>3312466
Fuckin rekt

[Anonymous No.3322511]

>>3314550
You did not buy the JP one, right?

[Anonymous No.3324512]

>>3312509
I paid 20€ for CSP because I can't afford CC and didn't want Adobe to shit on me for using pirated photoshop.