Amazing drawing advice that changed you

[Anonymous No.3309480]

Anyone got images to share posted here on /ic/ that motivated you or showed you the light on your journey to git gud?

[Anonymous No.3309582]

I was on /v/ in a mecha game thread when some dude posted random art no one recognized. Turns out, he was the one who drew it.

He lived in Russia, wasn't famous our anything, but got by working on mobile games. From there everyone was asking him if they too could learn to draw and get there. Some guys posted their anime doodles lol, one guy posted decent Disgaea (is that how you spell it?) fanart.

I was just a staring out /beg/ at the time and I still remember him posting that the most important thing above anything else is to stay motivated. There's always going to be ups and downs but you can't focus on the negatives and get bogged down with those feelings.

In that thread I made a 1 sided promise to meet him at the world stage someday, but he said he wasn't interested and just wanted to draw mechs all day. If I meet him again, I'd like to say thanks.

I'm sure he already forgot about this, though.

[Anonymous No.3309587]

>>3309480
You saved my image that I saved off a spin-off why exactly? Geez once you post something on here it's saved forever it seems.

On that image though, I no longer agree with that anon.

[Anonymous No.3309708]

>>3309587
>On that image though, I no longer agree with that anon.

Why is that? It worked perfectly for me.

[Anonymous No.3309715]

>>3309582
touching

[Anonymous No.3309808]

That one anon who explained the reason why you never finish art is because of the fear of not perfecting it. You should instead, focus on really pushing yourself on that piece and increase your standards.

[Anonymous No.3309818]

Reposting something someone said to me a while ago

[Anonymous No.3309820]

>>3309587
T.Crab

[Anonymous No.3309823]

>>3309582
was he the guy who draw a mecha of hideo kojima logo?

[Anonymous No.3309839]

[Anonymous No.3309847]

[Anonymous No.3309850]

>You need to be a little bit more autistic Live vicariously through your artwork
Best advice tbqh

[Anonymous No.3309854]

>ya need loomis boyo
thanks

[Anonymous No.3309873]

>>3309839
>tfw forgot about this
I have failed you master.

[Anonymous No.3309874]

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[Anonymous No.3309891]

>>3309818
saved. while this is something which i've learn on my own, it's good to see the idea in words too

[Anonymous No.3309895]

My art teacher gave us a task to pick some object and draw it as realistically as possible, copying every small detail. After we finished it he said something like:
>good job but this is not how drawing actually works, next time we are going to study for real and don't ever do this again please

[Anonymous No.3309896]

>>3309891
good advice anon

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[Anonymous No.3309929]

>>3309874
This.

[Anonymous No.3309937]

I got something for you guys, if u not enjoying process just quit and find something that really makes you happy.

[Anonymous No.3309960]

>>3309823
maybe? i can't remember honestly. if i saw his work now i might not even recognize it.

[Anonymous No.3309973]

The end justifies the means

[Anonymous No.3310004]

>>3309839

[Anonymous No.3310035]

>>3309818
Seems like really solid advice, but I don’t know how to apply it because my art is all bold lineart, basically.

[Anonymous No.3310050]

>>3309895
Well? Then what happened?

[Anonymous No.3310058]

>>3309587
You no longer agree with common sense and now you DO treat art as a video game? Kek, I'm sure you're going places.

[Anonymous No.3310060]

>>3310058

I'm better than you, though.

[Anonymous No.3310061]

>>3309708
Finished work is common sense. The anon who said that was directing that to /ic/s culture of "the grind" and never finishing anything whereas elsewhere people draw because they have ideas to share. /ic/ gets into drawing because they want to get into it for money/career, often times losing sight of their goals and bowing to the mercy of crabism.

Drawing actual pictures shouldn't be something forced. If so then you really don't like art in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3310072]

>>3309874
Bad advice.

A skilled artist can still produce something great even with shitty tools, but a bad artist cannot create something good even if you give him the tools of the gods

[Anonymous No.3310077]

>>3310072
I think you got that wrong, buddy

[Anonymous No.3310079]

>>3310072
That completely misses the point of it. It's not saying the tools make the person, it's saying that you shouldn't limit yourself and should instead use whatever you feel expresses your point rather than how other people tell you it should be done. If anything, it's emphasizing the creator and their skill because it's saying nothing should be holding you back, only how you choose to use the tools.

[Anonymous No.3310083]

>>3310077
>crabby as ever mr.crabs

It's the absolute truth.

[Anonymous No.3310085]

>>3310072
Not true. If you have the money then investing in good tools will make life easier.

[Anonymous No.3310089]

>>3310079
>photobashing r-really expresses me!
>hah I've finished this "painting" which obviously consists of 80% photos, and dulls any creativity that could have been found in the piece
>but why does no one consider me an artist...

[Anonymous No.3310093]

>>3310072
Perhaps you misunderstand by taking the tools too literally. I take it as meaning don't stress methods, what pencil, media, reference to use, they are all just tools to (potentially) help.

Love,

a normie

[Anonymous No.3310113]

>>3310085
Nope.

Put two artists in front of a canvas. One is skilled and has years of experience. The other is a mediocre uncreative pleb.

The skilled one get's the worst possible brush, half broken, rancid, dissolves further with each stroke. Pleb get's a fantastic brush, masterful craftsmanship and materials ensure it longevity, flows smoothly across the canvas.
Well, guess who will create a better painting, it's really no rocket science.

A tool cannot replace experience, knowledge and grinding. In the hands of a bad artist, a good tool only allows him to >polish a turd even faster<

[Anonymous No.3310117]

>>3310089
>Oh yes let me build a strawman here and use photobashing and a complete lack of crativity
>That will show them that someone saying "be creative with your methods" is really telling me to be a shit artist
>I'm not completely missing the point

I'm sure Vilppu, the famous photobasher, implied that you should photobash and only photobash with less than 10% actual effort. After all he is just a lowly digital art photoshop teacher and would never be able to do traditional.

[Anonymous No.3310118]

>>3310050
Then Mr. Miyagi let him wax him off.

Shit story from that bro.

[Anonymous No.3310120]

>>3310072
>A particular difficulty I have in teaching such a systematic approach to drawing is that the end result can too easily be a mechanical and boring formula. I continually have to keep reminding the student that there are no rules. What I am teaching are visual tools and strategies for approaching the figure, a means for helping students to understand what they are looking at. In the end, it is up to each individual to bring to his drawing that spark of life.

I don't think you know who even said that.

[Anonymous No.3310122]

>>3310113
>.t I can't afford nice things so let me justify being poor

>a good tool only allows him to >polish a turd even faster

maybe for an /ic/ artist

[Anonymous No.3310123]

>>3310060
No no! I am better than YOU!

[Anonymous No.3310129]

>>3310123
Prove it to me.

[Anonymous No.3310130]

>>3309839
thanks boss

[Anonymous No.3310132]

Sorry phoneposter here

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[Anonymous No.3310143]

>>3310129
No, you prove it to me!

[Anonymous No.3310150]

>>3310143
If you show me yours I'll show you mines.

[Anonymous No.3310158]

>>3310150
HERE! I win, unless you can produce something better.

[Anonymous No.3310165]

>>3310158
Impressive. Unfortunately for you I've done plenty of mug studies, so it's my forte.

[Anonymous No.3310171]

>>3309891
hmm, meant to (you) this actually >>3309839

[Anonymous No.3310172]

>>3310165
i can't believe how long this meme has survived.

[Anonymous No.3310173]

>>3310120
taking a wild guess here, but... loomis?

[Anonymous No.3310175]

>>3310165
I am defeated.

[Anonymous No.3310176]

>>3310165
I think I've seen this mug before, but not enough to get it context, is it the merc_wip of mugs?

[Anonymous No.3310178]

>>3310176
Wait, what?
>>3310165
Cheated?
So I am the victor?

[Anonymous No.3310179]

>>3310178
Yes you win. I commend you for actually posting art.

[Anonymous No.3310187]

>>3310165
Put me in the screenshot

[Anonymous No.3310243]

>>3310173
I thought him saying "...no rules...visual tools..." while also responding to someone quoting Vilppu would make it obvious I was giving Vilppu's explanation of why he says that while questioning if they even know where "No rules, just tools" comes from. I haven't been on /ic/ in a while but has grandmaster Vilppu really been forgotten?

[Anonymous No.3310250]

>>3310243
loomis vilpou? hu deat?

[Anonymous No.3310317]

>>3309874
This took me a full year to figure out what he meant by this. When I did figure it out, it was just me realizing how fuckin retarded I was. Thank you, Vilppu...

[Anonymous No.3310322]

>>3310317
This is how it usually goes, it takes a long time to fully understand and "get" high-level advice like that on a personal level. That's why actual good advice from professionals gets deformed and mutilated into self-destructive advice by /beg/ and crabs who parrot them without actually fully understanding it.

[Anonymous No.3310343]

>>3310317
He tells you right in the pages where he says that lines.

[Anonymous No.3310412]

>>3310343
Anon...

[Anonymous No.3310480]

>>3309973
Is this about tracing?

[Anonymous No.3310503]

>>3309480
Some guy told me to just draw anime til I get good

[Anonymous No.3310695]

>>3310072
While this is true, he means the "rules" don't have to be rigid, but I think that's garbage anyway - you need to learn

NO RULES?
USELESS TOOLS

[Anonymous No.3310756]

>>3310133
>>3310135

I have this problem. The only thing I'm good for is drawing, so naturally I base all of my self-worth on feedback.

I hardly get any though, because I don't pander. I've never had more than 200 followers tops either. Recently I just nuked everything and started over, making a conscious effort not to care what other people think, and just enjoying the process of creating whatever gives me joy.

[Anonymous No.3311720]

[Anonymous No.3311731]

>>3309480
"JUST DO IT"

"MAKE YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE"

that's one always motivate me

[Anonymous No.3311736]

>>3311731

[Anonymous No.3311738]

>>3311736

[Anonymous No.3311740]

>>3311738
Guys, if you are being shamed into picking up manlier hobbies
Don't blame drawing.
You got shit to sort out outside of drawing.
Then you come back. Don't let it get tangled up with your life.
A vocation isn't something that every aspect should narrow in on - it should be something you do entirely apart from everything you know about yourself. That's why true vocations lift you higher.

[Anonymous No.3313223]

>>3311740
what a retard

[Anonymous No.3313243]

>>3309874
this is bad advice.

[Anonymous No.3313251]

>>3309839
This literally has nothing to do with drawing, but is probably the most meaningful shit. brb got to fap to porn now since I fear my own self criticism.

[Anonymous No.3313365]

>>3311738
I still don't know what a study is.

[Anonymous No.3315961]

>>3309895
Someone explain why you shouldn't draw every small detail.

[Anonymous No.3315993]

>>3315961
Because the most beautiful version of something is not necessarily when you can see it the clearest, or with the most details.

[Anonymous No.3316289]

I'm looking for advice

I started drawing a specific genre two years ago, I enjoy it a lot and have roughly 700 watchers from it even though I don't post often

My friend decided to also draw this genre after seeing how much money I was getting from it and within a year he had surpassed me in watchers even though he uploaded even less and just saw it as a means for money, He's now abandoned it to move on to his next trend but it's ruined my motivation and happiness just being so easily surpassed and thrown aside, now I get upset over how little attention my art gets compared to others and it has ruined me

[Anonymous No.3316297]

>>3310072
>>3313243
Protip:
The "Tools" he refers to are things like perspective, anatomy, composition, color theory, those sort of things. He's telling you not to see them as rigged rules to make good art, but toolsets for you to utilize in making your vision a reality.

[Anonymous No.3316308]

>>3316289
Try something totally different. Like, go for the exact opposite of what you normally do. You might discover areas you where weaker in than you thought, but also discover you enjoy the process of new approaches.

[Anonymous No.3316319]

>>3316289
Now you know how every artist feels as some hack fuck comes along and makes some commercial cashin that sucks in clueless normies

Sorry it happened with something you like anon, but I'd say the desire for exposure and fame (or infamy) is a toxic desire, even if it does net you lots of dopamine and an inflated ego.

One thing I've been trying to strive for in my art is not giving a fuck who enjoys it. I put it out online only as a digital record for myself and as a way of letting people know I'm not dead yet, I don't give a fuck if one of my works gets 100 likes or 1000, and if someone wants to buy it that's nice but I like to think I wouldn't give a fuck either way

Fuck normies and realise no matter how good you are, how creative or original or hardworking you are, someone will always come along and play you like a goddamned fiddle, but ascension is realising this tragic state of our field and letting go of your anger, bitterness, disappointment, disillusionment, cynicism, burned fingers, defeatism etc. Just do it for you and the people who like it are welcome to stay

Keep going!

[Anonymous No.3316336]

>>3310150
>>3310158
>>3310165
>>3310175
Goobers.

[Anonymous No.3316349]

>still shit after a year.
I just don't have the attention span for loomis.
He goes through topics in a way that's so hard for me to know if I truly understand them, or
if I should just keep doing his exercises. For instance, in the figure drawing book, he first suggests
that you practice positioning and perspective with a flat "2d" image of the figure in 3d space.

Do I actually keep doing that? How do I know when I'm able to move on?
It's so much information.

[Anonymous No.3316367]

>>3316289
You probably know this already but you approach art too seriously

Many people just take on it as a hobby. They dont 'get' the master worship, the harsh community of /ic/. Some people in this world are able to just reduce things down to steps and take those on one by one. But as you know, dedication and mastery is another thing. Your friend took it on, but now he's done and gone. Burned out rather quick.

[Anonymous No.3316380]

>>3316349
Go slowly. I mean REALLY slowly. Spend hours on a section. Days on a page. If you're overwhelmed, you're going too fast. Carefully analyze each and every page/exercise. Do NOT go further until it clicks with you and you feel you've fully understood his lesson. Take your time, don't rush. Allow yourself to really concentrate on it without getting frustrated about your pace. Getting a solid grasp on these fundamentals drastically impacts your improvement from here on out. Make. Sure. You. Know. It.

Baby steps, baby steps...

[Anonymous No.3316624]

Practice doesnt make perfect
Perfect practice makes perfect

[Anonymous No.3316815]

>>3313365
Keep drawing.

[Anonymous No.3316846]

What is the “crab” meme about here? Does it just mean asshole?

[Anonymous No.3316847]

>>3316846
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

[Anonymous No.3316850]

>>3316847
Gotcha. That’s great. In Australia they’d call it Tall Poppy Syndrome.. must cut it down!!

[Anonymous No.3316909]

>>3309973
kek

[Anonymous No.3316926]

>>3309480
"Just draw the shit"

[Anonymous No.3317908]

>>3316289

It sounds like he had
>An existing audience he could take with him
>Is doing a lot of work, such that he can repeatedly transition between genres successfully
>Is better at commercializing his work and having a viewer base

Unless you're both doing exactly the same amount of side work, marketing, community engagement, have similar social media presence, have identical styles, and identical online personas, you can't chalk this up to your art being inferior, there are way too many moving parts.