/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.3307881]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>3305519

[Anonymous No.3307884]

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

[Anonymous No.3307886]

LET IT BE KNOWN THAT NO CRABS ARE ALLOWED IN THIS THREAD

[Anonymous No.3307896]

>>3307886
snib snab

[Anonymous No.3307903]

>>3307886
What about people whose zodiac sign is Cancer?

[Anonymous No.3307908]

>>3307896
Get the hell outta here.
>>3307903
I heard you guys are a buncha crybabies. Get outta here.

[Anonymous No.3307922]

>>3307884
Thx for the pic, this is exactly the kind of tuto I need. I just began in drawing and want to draw in black and white only, so I got to be focus on the shape. Do you got some books to read to learn drawing in black and white (with a pencil, I don't draw on my computer)?

[Anonymous No.3307947]

what is the website or social network to go if I wanted to upload a manga I drew or edited?

[Anonymous No.3307951]

Can someone post that infographic with like 12 books in it? Started with "Perspective Made Easy" and "How to Draw", can't remember what other books it had though.

[Anonymous No.3307959]

Ducky proportions aside, I can draw and shade forms by themselves but the second I apply these concepts to a figure it just looks flat as I can't detect terminators and core shadows IRL. How closely should I be following the light on an actual scene? What are some exercises to get the 5 value scheme working?

[Anonymous No.3307993]

>>3307959
probably for now just do the shadows as an even black and concentrate on the light part where there's a lot more tonal change, then when you think that's going well you can move on to the dark tones which are trickier.

[Anonymous No.3308004]

>>3307947
youtube

[Anonymous No.3308007]

I drew this two separately last night and just put them together to make it easier to share. I'd love to know where I should go from this point.

I'm aware that everything needs improvement, but I'm not sure which place to start with.

[Anonymous No.3308014]

>>3308004
upload pictures on youtube?

[Anonymous No.3308030]

Is deviantart dead?

[Anonymous No.3308094]

>>3307993
Any exercises or good sources for this?

[Anonymous No.3308102]

>>3308030
Depends if you're into sonic fetishes or not.

[Anonymous No.3308117]

I need help with shading

[Anonymous No.3308130]

>>3308117
I'd say first correct the nose maybe, the light comes from the left but it's making a shadow anyway, wich wouldn't be because well, light =/=shadow

[Anonymous No.3308143]

>>3308130
In the original pic the nose does cast a shadow so i dunno

[Anonymous No.3308171]

I'm so afraid of drawing that i want to go buy candy to feel better, but i am trying to eat healthy so i just sit still I'm my chair for so long trying to figure out what to do. I know I should logically just begin learning right away, but I its like going straight into a cave with a hungry bear, only its not even remotely as heroic.

[Anonymous No.3308194]

>first time gesture drawing
>burn through 5 sheets in a 24-sheet sketchbook

It feels like this encourages me to draw large but I dunno about this tree expenditure. Hard to gauge how much I'm actually learning.

[Anonymous No.3308195]

what is the best tutorial for female figure?

[Anonymous No.3308203]

>>3308195
Answer; the one that helps you the most.

[Anonymous No.3308209]

>>3308203
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.3308212]

Reached the part of profile drawing.
What am I doing wrong.

[Anonymous No.3308217]

currently reading through a book on figure drawing, the first section is gesture, I get the general idea "S" and "C" and "Line" curves making up the basic "flow" etc etc but how do I proportion everything? E,G - How do I make sure the arms and legs aren't too long?

[Anonymous No.3308219]

>>3307947
https://medibang.com

[Anonymous No.3308223]

>>3308219
ghost stories dub was based

[Anonymous No.3308226]

>>3308219
thanks, anon

[Anonymous No.3308227]

Isn't this suppose to be a beginner thread... Like I'm a beginner, and won't ever come close to what you're posting.....

[Anonymous No.3308232]

>>3308227
there are people of varying quality who post here, if you're a complete fresh to the board noob, go read the stiky, it's legit

[Anonymous No.3308233]

>>3308227

You'll probably be surprised how fast you improve if you learn from a good source.

[Anonymous No.3308234]

Can anyone give me some tips on hair and ears?

made this with help of a blending tutorial, first time trying something like this worked out remotely good for me. Crits?

[Anonymous No.3308235]

>>3308217
Hampton's book goes over proportions, i believe, but you could use you pencil as a measuring device. Pic related

[Anonymous No.3308244]

>>3308235
that wont help with imagination senpai

[Anonymous No.3308255]

>>3307884
I tried to work on the shapes, I think faces are too hard for me right now, shall try fruits first. And I find my lines too pronounced.

[Anonymous No.3308269]

>>3308234
you might want to chill on the shadows and the contrasts of the face - she looks really gaunt which is the opposite of what the features are trying to convey

[Anonymous No.3308271]

>>3308255
the person is black, so don't be afraid to go in with the dark shading on the face. that's what you're lacking the most at the moment.

generally dark people have more shadows and darker mids than lights, which you save for last.
what you have right now is his face is entirely in two tones, and one tone is the brightest the paper will go, which is trying to say that his entire face is very bright when it's not

sorry for the run on sentences

[Anonymous No.3308277]

>>3308212
The skull is to deep bruv

[Anonymous No.3308278]

>>3308271
I couldn't tell he was black from the picture. So I shall only save the white of the paper for the lights spots..

>sorry for the run on sentences
Nope, it's me who thx you for the advice.

[Anonymous No.3308282]

>>3308269
Now u say it I cant unsee it, I was trying to convey local value in the cheecks. how do I make it darker with local value and lighter with light at the same time?

[Anonymous No.3308309]

How's my lineart? Honestly don't like hair. Not sure if this is right but doesn't most of the likeness for hair come from the painting rather than the lineart.

Ref in reply

[Anonymous No.3308310]

>>3308282

[Anonymous No.3308311]

>>3308309
ref

[Anonymous No.3308314]

>>3308227
/beg/ is more for anyone that wants to improve their fundamentals. Fundamentals are what you first learn when you are a beginner.

There's plenty of people here that are beginners like you, they are either lurking or working. There are also people that hang around to help guide new artists through the convoluted journey of learning the fundamentals. Post something you've drawn recently and I can steer you in the right direction.

[Anonymous No.3308316]

>>3308310
Who is she?m, I like it. Good cosplay.

[Anonymous No.3308320]

>>3308235
I have never liked this technique. Not saying it doesn't work but it really just never clicked with my head. When I draw from life or reference, I just kinda eyeball it, comparing the distance from one landmark to another.

[Anonymous No.3308321]

is 9 head spaces too tall?

[AnonArtist No.3308324]

Fucking destroy my art I wanna get better

[Anonymous No.3308326]

>>3308117
Treat hair like a bunch of ribbons and not a slab of clay molded into a shape.

[AnonArtist No.3308327]

>>3308321
8 and 1/2 is where its at

[Anonymous No.3308329]

>>3308324
>>3308321
loomis

[AnonArtist No.3308331]

Here's some more I wanna get critiqued on

[AnonArtist No.3308333]

>>3308329
Buff Pepe

[Anonymous No.3308334]

>>3308329
>loomis
not really, I've seen head heights used as a guide a few times, and even still it's fairly spot on.

[Anonymous No.3308335]

am I doing this right? I'm doing gesture stuff and okay she's a bit short in the legs but the general concept, is this right? I dont wanna form any bad habbits and this is my first time doing gesture stuff.

[Anonymous No.3308340]

>>3308324
I'm legitimately at a loss to what I'm looking at.

Start with learning visual drawing techniques. The free videos at Ctrl-Paint will help you significantly. Specifically the Traditional Drawing section.

[Anonymous No.3308357]

Can someone please tell me how long it takes to get good enough to make my own basic animations? I mean do that they aren't just south park level geometric shapes, I mean backgrounds, even in an abstract way, things that are the minimum level do that the animation and characters aren't so bad they're distracting. Like minions, minimum effort. Is there like a range of hours for this? I'm an ex English teacher and I turn 40 this year, I'm good with technology and don't have an obvious cognitive deficit. I'm bad at math.

[Anonymous No.3308362]

>>3308357

You won't get far by worrying about how long it takes to get to a certain level. You should start with your drawing fundamentals and keep practising them as a lifelong skill. You can start animations right now if you wanted.

[Anonymous No.3308382]

>>3308357
you don't have to be that good, at least not to start

[Anonymous No.3308395]

Any advice at all besides draw more?

[Anonymous No.3308396]

>>3308395
Also by me.

[Anonymous No.3308400]

>>3308362
>>3308382
I actually don't necessarily care about drawing desu, I just need custom animations to use

[Anonymous No.3308403]

>>3308400

The animator's survival kit by Richard Williams is a good book to buy then. It's less about drawing and more about animation in general, including more technical aspects, although it's written in the context of traditional frame-by-frame pencil animations.

[Anonymous No.3308406]

>>3308400
well then fuck right off, we're full

[Anonymous No.3308408]

>>3308395
>>3308396
no salami nipples for starters.
Brighter higlights, darker shadows, clearer outlines and learn to draw hands jesus. The first one especially seems to try to hide a lack of skill with ambiguous color sploches.
The thumbnails especially the second one reads reallly well though.

[Anonymous No.3308410]

>>3308403
>>3308406
So I was right, I should probably pay someone or it's going to look like shit?

[Anonymous No.3308414]

>>3308410
Now i'm confused, anon. What exactly are you trying to do?

[Anonymous No.3308417]

>>3308410

If you don't know how to draw, you're not going to make nice drawings even if they're simple and abstract. There's no shortcut or secret trick.

[Anonymous No.3308421]

>>3308414
>>3308417
Like animations and transitions for a twitch channel. I felt like if I wasn't trash I might do animations for simple mock conversations for ESL videos.

[Anonymous No.3308461]

>>3308335
oof, really botched the perspective on this one

[Anonymous No.3308462]

>>3308461

[Anonymous No.3308557]

Today's effort. Janky quicksketches and starting my way through individual muscles again.

[Anonymous No.3308581]

>>3308235

Hampton doesn't teach perfect measurement. His techniques is pretty loose about proportion and he made it so you can design instead of counting heads all the time.

>>3308217

By doing a lot of studies using his techniques. You either follow a fixed proportion (loomis) or do it a lot and get a feel for it, this is where OBSERVATION drawing comes in play.

That's why I always recommend /beg/s to work on drawing by observation for a month or two before jumping into construction (hampton/loomis) If you can't copy what you see you'll have a very hard time learning construction.

[Anonymous No.3308585]

So I was reading the sticky and decided to start at the beginning. I initially took my time with it but I eventually decided to do it timed, with 10 minutes. In the first I got the face down, but I hadn't done much with his torso. In both iterations, his head is freakishly lengthy. Is there a certain goal I should achieve before moving onto the next? Should I be taking my time? Should I try making my lines less chicken-scratchy or even do this on a real piece of paper? I've always had issues with size and going out of bounds as well. Thankies

[Anonymous No.3308587]

First painting ever, wanted to know if I got any potential

[Anonymous No.3308588]

>>3308585
i see it more as a basepoint to compare yourself to when you finish checkpoints of training, i.e. finishing a book. start studying your artist of choice and compare it to a redone version a few months down the line, see if you've improved how you want to, find a fix, rinse and repeat.

[Anonymous No.3308615]

Any tips how to make it look less like piee of shit?

[Anonymous No.3308617]

>>3308615
BTW this si what i tried to draw
(and no, im not using mouse to draw, im using grapical tablet, im just realy that bad)

[Anonymous No.3308621]

>>3308617
Work on perspective.

[Anonymous No.3308623]

>>3308587
what am i suppose to feel here

[Anonymous No.3308625]

How do I fix this picture? is it possible to fix?

[Anonymous No.3308631]

>>3308625
what dont you like about it?

[Anonymous No.3308632]

>>3308631

Everything, but since I don't know anatomy I don't know how to fix it, my instinct tells me her legs are to big to wide and SPECIALLY too long, they look like elephant legs, also the pelvis is to long as well and to deep. IMO, but I am not sure since I don't know how it SHOULD look in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3308638]

>>3308632
Dude, if you think that your work looks bad, than what IM suposed to think abbout my stuff?

[Anonymous No.3308651]

>>3308632
i mean there isnt anything particularly wrong with it.
maybe remove some eyeliner from the knees to put less emphasis on them. that my make them look less, "elephant" like as you describe.
but i mean really your art is not horrible considering it is a cartoon.
also her left hand seems a tad long. compared to her pinky.

[Anonymous No.3308655]

>>3308651
it's not his

[Anonymous No.3308664]

>>3308585
Go through Keys to Drawing and make sure you absorb+practice the concepts it teaches. It solves your problem with fitting the thing you're observing into a frame.

[Anonymous No.3308669]

i accidentally posted in the last thread

in loomis drawing with a pencil, he stresses that how you draw your circle isn't very important and that you can work around that. however, he also says
>By building preliminary shapes and developing the outlines on them, we know WHERE TO DRAW OUR REAL LINES
my question is, do I redraw the lines I previously incorrectly drew to more closely resemble his final drawings? or do I just make my own "spin" on his final drawings? maybe unrelated but maybe I just need to understand his purpose of this exercise, is he teaching me how to draw anything I want or is he teaching me how to copy others work easier?

[Anonymous No.3308682]

>tfw you spend $47,000 on drawing equipment, materials, and training videos and you're still shit at drawing

[Anonymous No.3308683]

>>3308682
nigga how much does notepads and pens and torrented photoshop and free youtube videos cost these days??

[Anonymous No.3308713]

getting back into the grind, and can only get my tablet working with mspaint. dont really mind it.

any feedback? stared at this too much that i don't even want to look at it anymore and I realize some flaws but i need another perspective, possibly a red line. ill admit i tried drawing more from imagination though

[Anonymous No.3308721]

>>3308683
>apple mac pro 10000 dollars
>wacom cintiq 1500 dollars
>nice leather chair 3000 dollars
>college beginners drawing lessons
learning to draw is surprisingly expensive, its crazy to think someone who makes close to a mil a year can barely make it by

[Anonymous No.3308732]

>>3308721
You don't need a Mac Pro for art. In fact, very few artists buy Mac Pros, they buy iMacs or Macbook Pros, at around $2k for the high end. Besides, a fully loaded Mac Pro is only around $5k - but complete overkill for 2D art.

And I don't know about anyone else, but my chair cost $300. I wouldn't even know where to find a $3000 leather chair.

My Cintiq did cost $2.5k tho. Worth every penny. (24HD)

Learning to draw can cost as much as a pencil and a notebook, anyway. Better tools are nice, but not necessary. Cintiqs are a luxury for professionals.

[Anonymous No.3308735]

>>3308587
Potential for what?

[Anonymous No.3308736]

>>3308621
I'd say work on drawing what you see, first. It's right there, and what he drew is so far off it's not even funny.

[Anonymous No.3308756]

rough thing before paint, she's supposed to be looking up a bit

[Anonymous No.3308785]

Any critiques?

[Anonymous No.3308787]

>>3308785
Looks nice!

[Anonymous No.3308790]

>>3308785
Looks like some stuff I'd see in a browse game like Adventure Quest.

[Anonymous No.3308828]

is there any book who explain the block in method?

[Anonymous No.3308857]

>>3308625

Is this looking better?

[Anonymous No.3308859]

>>3308857
>>3308625
i see your problem, you lack references. here is what princess bubblegum looks like

[Anonymous No.3308861]

>>3308713
Try working on placement of the features, the eye is way to far out, ect. Also I'd recommend now drawing every individual hair, it makes it look messy, try making chucks of hair.

also fip ur drawing to see its flaws helps.

[Anonymous No.3308870]

>>3308861
if not too much, you think you can briefly redline it? it's fine if you dont. and yeah i think i should do it in chucks (chunks?).

forgot of all things to flip my drawing- which really showed me some stuff, especially that fucking eye. thanks. also, you think the nose is too big? i personally don't think it's so bad though another perspective is always good

[Anonymous No.3308871]

>>3308870
im not >>3308861
but heres something

[Anonymous No.3308885]

>>3308871
thank you, ive been running around in my head like a chicken with its...head cut-off.
god damn, I really needed this.

i think my next task should be redlining skulls from real-life photos so I can get a better picture of drawing faces realistically, actually measuring and draw from ref instead of mostly imagination.
anon, thank you.

[Anonymous No.3308912]

>>3308309
>>3308311

[Anonymous No.3308914]

>>3308885
np anon

don't think you need to do red line skulls, its more important to recognize proportions
refs are good tho

http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en/
something to help practice

good luck fellow anon

[Anonymous No.3308915]

>>3308331
>>3308557
>>3308756
get out of /beg/

[Anonymous No.3308923]

>>3308915
low standards

[Flip No.3308927]

need help shading

[Flip No.3308928]

>>3308927
rotated

[Anonymous No.3308934]

>>3308721

[Anonymous No.3308936]

>>3308828

[Anonymous No.3308938]

>>3308721
tfw when U make 10 euros/h, work part-time and still gtmi.

[Anonymous No.3308952]

>>3308927
>>3308928
it looks really nice, but cant help you if you dont post ref. granted if you dont feel comfortable posting a pic of a kid, then dont worry about it.

[Anonymous No.3308969]

>>3308927
>>3308928
i probably don't have any merit in even suggesting anything but it seems like you're on the right path already if anything

[Anonymous No.3308994]

gimmi some help my /beg/gars
i wasnt explained what i did wrong but that i needed to come here

[Anonymous No.3309000]

>>3308915
when you get better you'll realize this was silly

[Anonymous No.3309031]

crab study from the last thread. im not done yet. are the colors okay? ive been struggling with those

[Anonymous No.3309032]

>>3308994
If you're unable to tell there's something wrong with it yourself you can't be helped.

[Anonymous No.3309038]

>>3307884
thanks, the last bit really fucking inspired me

[Anonymous No.3309049]

>>3309032
obviously you can't be helped

[Anonymous No.3309052]

>>3307886
imagine being so asshurt that critique happens on the artwork/CRITIQUE board you spam the same autistic blurb everywhere

[Anonymous No.3309053]

>>3309031
fuck off, crab
>>3309052
fuck you, crab

[Anonymous No.3309062]

>>3309053
why even come here? go to /i/ spammer

[Anonymous No.3309103]

Let's draw something!

[Anonymous No.3309105]

Used those erasable coloured pencils - they do not layer btw.

Also does any know of any resources on making your pieces feel complete or resolved. Whenever I complete a drawing they usually feel really cartoony. I am aware of the squidward nose.

[Anonymous No.3309134]

>>3308094
that's how the bargue plates work, so..do those

[Anonymous No.3309188]

>>3309038
yeah. putting things into perspective helps. i went with the same line of thinking when I (used to) go to the gym

[Anonymous No.3309195]

Learning values. Draw the doge.

[Anonymous No.3309229]

>>3309195
That's a german shepard anon. Looks good to my rookie ass though.

[Anonymous No.3309302]

doing gesture training lately and tried drawing on top of one of them

[Anonymous No.3309304]

Tried doing some of the thing >>3308269 told me too.

cute yet?

[Anonymous No.3309325]

>>3308321
The legs are suppose to be the length of a face... I think

[Anonymous No.3309327]

>>3308615
Look it up on YouTube

[Anonymous No.3309345]

>>3309325
1.5 heads.

[Anonymous No.3309372]

>>3309304

[Anonymous No.3309375]

>>3309372
teach me.

[Anonymous No.3309382]

I just can't draw on a tablet

[Anonymous No.3309384]

>>3309382

[Anonymous No.3309400]

>>3308912
Says more than enough. Yeah, the heads definitely too long and features too high. I need to stop being so rigid with loomis and adjust where needed or do loomis get the head shape in and adjust before adding the features.

[Anonymous No.3309445]

when do i get to draw like the mogeko man

[Anonymous No.3309459]

WHEN DO WE GET THE FREE FOOD?

[Anonymous No.3309462]

Day one of the Watts face class

[Anonymous No.3309466]

>>3309382
So stop trying to draw, paint instead. I've found that a tablet functions far more similar to a paint brush than a pen or pencil. If you are new to a tablet it is, in my opinion, more beneficial to come to a piece from a painterly perspective, rather than approaching from a sketching perspective. Only once you've built up a confidence and comfort with painting do you really have the necessary control to make clean effective line work. Of course this is by no means universal, however, if your having difficulties, then I recommend changing your approach.

[Anonymous No.3309513]

Just decided I will begin to learn to draw. I was never really into it growing up so I'm starting from really sucky ability. Just wondering if it's worth joining/lurking any discords now or if I should get into the habit of drawing daily and maybe practice some fundamentals first before wasting my time with actual artists.

[Anonymous No.3309516]

>>3309513
What’s your motivation then?

[Anonymous No.3309519]

>>3309372
tnx for the paintover anon. tried to apply some of the stuff u showed in it, still cant get it to be as kawaii as urs though.

[Anonymous No.3309524]

Is this fine to use tools like a ruler to get the proportion right at the beginning? I've see anons saying we shouldn't use tools but it smells like crab to me.

[Anonymous No.3309526]

>>3309516
I have nothing to do in my life, and I have always thought people who could just see an object and make a drawing of it on a whim by waving their hands on the page and it actually comes out looking beautiful, sometimes even more beautiful and characteristic than the real thing, or how it can present a real object in such a way that you'd never thought about it in real life before... it all seemed like a magic to me. I guess I'd like to see if I could have a go at learning that, at having that magic power and putting whatever I want on the page whenever I want and having it look beautiful in a way I like.

[Anonymous No.3309528]

why do all of my attempts at subtle shading look wrong, except for the top right?

[Anonymous No.3309530]

>>3309524
What good would using a ruler do you when figuring out proportions?

[Anonymous No.3309534]

IS there a difference in head height between males and females? I see Loomis says no, but his ladies always wear heels, Others say Male is 8 and Female is 7.5, some say eyeball 7-8 heads for both. What's your thoughts on it and why?

[Anonymous No.3309549]

something ain't right

[Anonymous No.3309556]

>>3309526
If your motivation is to create something then just try different mediums. See what you like, don’t get impatient though.

[Anonymous No.3309559]

>>3309466
Can you give me some tips on painting?

[Anonymous No.3309562]

>>3309556
I'm planning to work through the fundamentals in the sticky in order with pencil and paper. I'm not going to buy any equipment before I know I'm actually in this for the long haul. Plus pencil is the medium I'm most eager about right now anyway, I want to sketch human bodies and houses n stuff.

[Anonymous No.3309563]

>>3309559
Not who you're replying to but I usually make a basic underdrawing so I make sure everything is pretty much where I want it and then paint over it.

[Anonymous No.3309583]

so i gotta use a ruler

[Anonymous No.3309589]

I GOTTA USE A RULER, IT'S WHAT I GOTTA DO.

[Anonymous No.3309590]

is this a good tutorial

[Anonymous No.3309593]

how am i supposed to erase guiding lines for these loomis exercises? i make them light and then whisk over the whole thing lightly with eraser which almost works but does dull the entire thing

[Anonymous No.3309624]

>>3309562
Buy a sketchbook if you plan on doing that. It’s really worth it.

[Anonymous No.3309650]

>>3309624
is there any actual reason for this? i used notebook paper and i feel like the exercises turned out fine, it wasn't like the horizontal lines helped me or anything. though my mom did give me a sketchbook right at the end and it does make the art feel more valuable

[Anonymous No.3309665]

>>3309049
yeah that guy is retarded, thread is literally for beginners

[Anonymous No.3309666]

>>3309445
by studying it and try copying it visually.

[Anonymous No.3309670]

>>3309650
I think it’s worth it. Usually notebook paper is shitty quality and if you add a drop of ink everything bleeds. You can get really cheap ones too. I used to draw in notebooks simply because of school but that’s it.

The sketchbook I use is 5 bucks and you can find it at Target or Staples. It holds ink really nicely. I currently filled up 2 of them.

[Anonymous No.3309676]

>>3308994
learn the proper fundies before drawing gon-san

[Anonymous No.3309681]

>>3308721
i got a 2012 macbook air for $850 like 3 years ago... i hope this is bait

[Anonymous No.3309694]

>>3309590
for molesting women?
seems like its missing some steps

[Anonymous No.3309727]

>>3309676
>fundies
;C

[Anonymous No.3309731]

>>3309681
well its only 7000 dollars now but thats the price you pay for cutting edge
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=638803

[Anonymous No.3309744]

How do you get to where you can draw fast?
If I try any timed drawing it looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.3309746]

>>3309744
increase your visual library, look at more references, stuff them in your memory, churn them out until its muscle memory.

[Anonymous No.3309751]

Today's effort, where my brain refuses to work with me and everything flies apart.

[Anonymous No.3309754]

i've been training faces for more than a year now, and i still can recreate a face, every single time i dont make them long enough although i follow loomis method everytime, i seem i cant place that circle cut right, add or take more form to the construction lines to follow the face outlane you name it. i seem to no improve at all and im getting desperate. could anyone please help? would taking online courses work like Proko's?

[Anonymous No.3309769]

>>3309754
Loomis isn't for references, Loomis is for drawing on your own.
For references you need to literally be drawing what you see, drawing shapes to capture the form of the face.

The picture in my post will explain.
The rest is in this post.
>>3307884

[Anonymous No.3309774]

>>3309754
fascinatingly enough, not everybody's head conforms perfectly to the loomis ball shit. it's to be used as a springboard but people think that it's the word of god regarding proportions, i think this is where a bunch of beginners get tripped up. honestly you know your way around construction so i'd say draw more from your eye without thinking about it, also read keys to drawing so you can measure better and more confidently

[Anonymous No.3309777]

>>3309754
focus on getting one thing right before making the whole image, start with something simple like the nose and then start drawing the negative space around the nose. i really recommend the book drawing on the right side of the brain. in my experience it really does a great job explaining what to do but people recommended keys to drawing over it so either would be fine starting points

[Anonymous No.3309792]

Progress

[Anonymous No.3309798]

>>3309769
Alright not him, but what if you're trying to reconstruct the face in the reference- BUT implying one can draw the reference to like 90% perfection, but can't draw it from imagination while using Loomis' studies? What then should this person be working on?

I'm beginning to cross lines with Loomis on face drawing like how >>3309774 posts, but not the actual face when it comes to the true grit of detail and structure. I've been doing the ball shit study on real-life photos of faces and it's been boggling my mind. I've come to the conclusion that like what anon said, it should just be used as a springboard. There's just a stark difference to real-life and textbook measuring from my studies. I believe I should just use his method of face drawing as a guideline while using references, but not an absolute method of true measurement.

[Anonymous No.3309809]

>>3307881
Hey I stopped drawing about a year ago but I want to get back into it I remeber people saying thw sticky is outdated as fuck what books would you recommend to start with and what grade pencil should I get?

[Anonymous No.3309829]

>>3309559
Sure. When painting, you cant think in terms of lines, as you might when sketching. Rather you have to try to define form with just value and color. Here's a finished piece with the layers I used. If you notice, I never started with a sketch, rather I tried to block in the basic form with only the base color, and a bit of variation with value. After that I simply kept refining; adding more detail, still thinking about exactly what form each stroke was meant to define.

[Anonymous No.3309831]

>>3309559
>>3309829
Also don't be afraid to start loose, for example here is a study I'm working on. You'll notice it is very loose, yet still reads well from the thumbnail. This is because, as I mentioned, I am thinking in terms of value and color, using these to define the form/

[Anonymous No.3309835]

>>3309798
You're asking how to draw from imagination?
if thats what you're asking then you just draw more, increase your visual library and build muscle memory.

[Anonymous No.3309837]

>>3309769
>>3309774
>>3309777
thanks anons, cleared my mind a bit, gonna study the books and not use loomis as obsolute method.
but i still have the questions about the online courses, are they worth it?

[Anonymous No.3309875]

Can anyone give me tips on rendering hair or rendering in general? I'm new in this so I don't really know the steps to follow

[Anonymous No.3309883]

I studied some loomis in figure drawing for all it's worth and drawing the head and hands. Thanks to that abd my drawing 1 class I git the anatomy down but I hate my shading.

I tried to draw childish gambino with a number 2 pencil

[Anonymous No.3309887]

>>3309883
Keep practicing and try to get the details of what makes a person look like that. Big lips, eyeborws, try to observe a bit more.

[Anonymous No.3309906]

>>3309875
i dont know much but try looking for darker spots. if those are drawn it will give the hair movement and really put onto paper the impression of the hair

[Anonymous No.3309949]

>>3307884
>talent is a lie
100% wrong pseud, talent isn't all that's necessary but this "everyone is capable of being good at any craft of they try hard enough" is pure retarded narrative authority creates to keep people complacent. The thing is the 'talent' most likely had to do with your ability to learn from things, there is a common misrepresentation of practice as just magically making you better, it doesn't, there are specific, definite things that happen that make you better you practice(if you do get better). You may, through trial and error, find it works best to get this certain kind of line you need to draw this specific thing by moving your hand in a different way than you used to. An easy example of this is handwritting, hand writing evolves through repeated, life long simplification and abstraction that makes a distinct style. But not everyone is as 'good' at this as others, think of people who just can't distinguish tones well, maybe to one person two distinct hand movements seem exactly the same, nature is not egalitarian, our brains are flawed. You don't have to learn how to move your arm, no one can break it down for you to figure, you just know how to.

[Anonymous No.3309971]

>>3309949
i have never heard of anyone who actually got worse after reading keys to drawing or any other beginner book. likewise i guarantee if i actually tried to learn to write better i could write better

[Anonymous No.3309980]

>>3309949
this is a fucking general dude, fuck off, let people post their drawings

[Anonymous No.3310002]

>>3309829
hey youre good at painting crabs want to crit mine?>>3309829

>>3309031

[Anonymous No.3310011]

newfag question, where's the horizon line in this pic?

[Anonymous No.3310014]

>>3310011

[Anonymous No.3310020]

>>3310014

[Anonymous No.3310101]

Is there a book that has a section on skintone/a good skintone tutorial?

[Anonymous No.3310106]

>>3310101
lol just go outside to look at people

[Anonymous No.3310154]

>>3310106
lol rofl

[Anonymous No.3310256]

Another value study. Here is some horsey.

[Anonymous No.3310260]

So, my aunt asked me to design a wall painting for my 9-year old cousin, which should be zombie themed. They are then going to paint it by hand onto the cousin's wall.
I came up with this here, do you think this is alright?
I still want to redo the RIP writing and add some more details onto the gravestone.

[Anonymous No.3310267]

How is it? What can I do better?

[Anonymous No.3310281]

>>3310020

Bullshit, it's knee high, also does that means I need a huge ass paper to draw something as small like that? I dont believe it, I have seen streams of Lewd artists and I have never seen someone using math or geometry, they just draw one 3d-ish square o whatever and draw everything else in positions relative to it.

[Anonymous No.3310295]

Absolute stickman-tier beginner here. I always wanted to start drawing as a hobby, but never really put effort in it due to focusing on other stuff (and not having much focus in general because of ADHD). Last night I read the link in the sticky and tried to do the upside down Stravinsky drawing, while also ordering Drawing with the Right Side of the Brain on a whim. The book arrived earlier and I wanted to ask whether there's a suggested order for exercises or if I should just go in order from chapter one?

Sorry for the folded paper and the scratches, I didn't have any unused printer paper nor an eraser.

[Anonymous No.3310297]

Hmmmmm

[Anonymous No.3310303]

>>3309590
I can read Japanese. Not really. No real reason to use this over something more standard or just your own observation of the human torso.

His main point is that the torso is divided into three distinct sections and lines: the chest, what he calls the "motsu" (the middle part) and the "sara" which means plate but .I do not know if these are actual terms used for these things. I couldn't find "motsu" in the dictionary.

[Anonymous No.3310347]

2hr orange life study, tips?

[Anonymous No.3310348]

>>3310281
>Bullshit, it's knee high
Because?

[Anonymous No.3310362]

>>3310347

Two hours on that? Bloody hell.

First tip is to not spend so much time on it, what did you actually learn? Try drawing the object 10 times in 2-5 minute sessions to force yourself to focus on the major shapes instead to get a good eye for determining where shadows and colors fall, and their proportion/relation to each other.

Push the values (lightest and darkest points), and blend around them to smooth out the image. Look up Ctrl+Paint's guide on blending if you're stuck.

[Anonymous No.3310374]

What are the good figure drawing/gesture sites? I swear line-of-action has been so slow lately it feels almost unusable.

[Anonymous No.3310382]

>>3310002
>>3309031
Sure, though if you post the ref then that would make critique easier.
First, the background is too busy and distracts from your subject.
Second, the lighting seems to be a bit ambiguous, if I had to guess I'd say it's an even frontal lighting, however your highlights don't make much sense. remember, each stroke musk help define a form, not simply be plastered on to of something which is already defined. The crab looks a bit flat, this mostly has to do with the poor rendering, but still remember to think of your subject as a 3D form. Finally there needs to be more contrast, as the difference between the value of your highlights and shadows is not enough.

[Anonymous No.3310389]

>>3310374
Quickposes
Sign up and track your process.

[Anonymous No.3310390]

>>3310295
I don't really know which things do you want to learn how to draw. If it's just anatomy at first, i would suggest just drawing for fun even if it doesn't look how you want to.

Try to learn a bit about the muscles and watch some tutorials about composition.

I don't really know where to put it as a "start point" to you, other than practice and be patient. Have fun and wish you the best!

[Anonymous No.3310407]

Ok so, just what the fuck are these called? These mannequin stick figure motherfuckers you draw to outline basic proportions when drawing people? I just need to know what they're called.

[Anonymous No.3310431]

>>3308857
It is better, it looks more feminine. Make the tits smaller. If we are to learn anything from the trap threads, its that the sexually attractive part of porn isn't the naked body, but the femininity of the naked body. Too many selfies are girls just standing there and they look like planks of wood. Pose is more important than body shape. Also add a muff.

[Anonymous No.3310432]

>>3308309
Don't be afraid to get messy.

[Anonymous No.3310435]

>>3310267
Heavier outlines.

[Anonymous No.3310439]

>>3310390
I'd like to learn to draw most subjects, as in humans, animals, backgrounds. Maybe illustrate some of the ideas I come up with every now and then.
l got the supplies the book recommended
earlier and I tried the first exercise in it: a self portrait, a portrait from memory and a drawing of my hand in around 1h 30m. Apparently these will be needed to look back at when I'll have improved, according to the book.
This is the self portrait, the first drawing I've ever put effort in. Meh.

[Anonymous No.3310453]

Extremely new at this, hadn’t tried digital drawing before. Crapped this out on the plane today as the first thing I’ve tried on my iPad I got yesterday. Does anyone liek my bird :3

[Anonymous No.3310498]

>No device connected

Getting this after a Windows update. How do i revive my Wacom tablet?

[Anonymous No.3310506]

>>3310407
literally a stick figure/drawing figure/sausage figures

[Anonymous No.3310572]

>>3310453
is it supposed to be reginald from the beartato comics

[Anonymous No.3310575]

>>3309792
breasts aren't supposed to be that low

[Anonymous No.3310579]

>>3310014
>>3310020

>>3310011

That's inaccurate because the of the camera lense distortion. I don't actually know where the real HL is but, you don't really need to know where it is if you know how to construct a human body in perspective. Pretty much just wing it.

If it looks okay. It probably is okay.

[Anonymous No.3310587]

>>3310439
With time you will learn things like shadowing the lips and other stuff, little tricks that make a difference in a drawing.

>>3310453
Seems cute.

[Anonymous No.3310589]

>>3309837

I always ALWAYS tell begs to start with observation drawing. Which is what that book teaches you.

Work on OBSERVATION then jump on to CONSTRUCTION (loomis). Without grasping observation drawing and having a trained eye learning construction is just torture.

It's like running with a weak untrained leg. Eventually you will hurt yourself.

[Anonymous No.3310593]

So it's me again >>3309875 I corrected some things in the skin, but I still don't know if i'm doing correctly with the hair.

Tried to divide it in two values (light/shadow) and then with a hair brush to start adding detail, but i'm not sure if i'm doing it correctly or if it's wrong.

Can anyone give me some advice please?

[Anonymous No.3310594]

>>3308756

>>3309792

The sketch looks way better than this.

[Anonymous No.3310600]

>>3309524
Rulers are fine, as are protractors, compasses, french curves, triangles, and any other drawing tools. Some of the try hards here have invented a fake requirement that an artist has to draw everything perfectly freehand, and it's pathetically wrong.

[Anonymous No.3310637]

>>3310347
another 1.5hr study

[Anonymous No.3310682]

>>3310637
How did that take you 90min?
When i do these it's max 30 in full colour.

[Anonymous No.3310683]

>>3310682
From a shitters perspective, I imagine a lot of it comes from painfully trying to get the contours correct over and over.

[Anonymous No.3310694]

>>3310347
this is a joke right?

[Anonymous No.3310697]

>>3310256
>value study
then why did you make the values so wrong, and put on color? seperate the values into groups or try to understand it, or theres not really much of a study to it

[Anonymous No.3310699]

>>3310682

post it

[Anonymous No.3310702]

>>3308828
you dont need a book. its just trial and error. constantly compare everything to each other.
imagine a straight line to help with difficult lines, and try to draw either smaller or bigger to make sure you actually process he lines and not just copy it.

[Anonymous No.3310703]

>>3310697
this, there's a sheer difference between them even from the thumbnail, id suggest spending more time on this, and use a smaller size for your medium.

[Anonymous No.3310705]

>>3308396
>>3308395
i dont wanna be that guy but ill be that guy. start painting in black and white to learn the values first, then proceed to color. or at least do both black n white and color sketches

[Anonymous No.3310783]

>going through ctrl-paint traditional art videos
>get to the exercise of drawing 5 objects
>have to use either contour or block-in method
block-in method masterrace

[Anonymous No.3310792]

>>3310682
What's the problem with taking 90 min?

[Anonymous No.3310848]

I fucking hate drawing this so much, the reference lighting is terrible

[Anonymous No.3310849]

Junk.

[Anonymous No.3310850]

>>3310848
pic relatd, help,

[Anonymous No.3310853]

>start practicing a few months ago
>also start trying to get /fit/
>schedule changes a bit to where I have to spend more time in one than the other
>devote more time to fitness since I figured it would be better in the longrun
>start to get the urge to learn to draw again this past week
>had a surface 3 for classes anyway so figured I could go digital after originally practicing on sketch
>order an adonit ink stylus and download Paint SAI
>do absolutely horrendous
>hands seem even more unsteady even after getting stronger in the arms
>mfw
I'm too retarded to make it. I did this to myself.

[Anonymous No.3310871]

>>3310853
Lol anon, what the hell.

But honestly, did you really expect to get better at drawing by going to the church of iron?

[Anonymous No.3310873]

>>3310871
I-I thought it would make my hands steadier

[Anonymous No.3310880]

>>3310873
Putting physical strain on your hands only weakens them further.

[Anonymous No.3310933]

Was wondering how you would start a drawing of a guy in armour. I was thinking of doing solair or seigward from dark souls. Would I have to study anatomy or just jump straight in with a doll for poses? I personal prefer pape as well

[Anonymous No.3310935]

I'm trying to just get down poses. As you can see I'm even worse at photography than I am at drawing, which I apologize for.

[Anonymous No.3310939]

>>3310935
God damnit

[VoodooRacer84 No.3310965]

Hello there and welcome back.

This pic is great and all, but the posture could've been better. I'm posting this on suggestions for a fellow artist on Pixiv named misfortune on how he could improve the posture for making another pic. He could really use some advice on improving the posture. Please let me know what you guys think.

Note: I don't want any comments about huge melon sized breasts. There's a lot of pics out there where girls have huge melon size breasts.

[Anonymous No.3310970]

>>3307884
>http://ctrlpaint.com
>based on PS
What if I use another software like SAI or Clip Studio Paint? Can I still learn from this page and apply the knowledge with another software?

[Anonymous No.3310972]

I can't really tell exactly where the highlights should go on organic shapes. Is there some kind of general rule?

[Anonymous No.3310976]

>>3310965
> I don't want any comments about huge melon sized breasts. There's a lot of pics out there where girls have huge melon size breasts.

Yeah, but those are done well, this are shit.

[Anonymous No.3310977]

>>3310970
>guys this tutorial requires black pens
>I only have blue pens
>can I still apply it?

[Anonymous No.3310983]

>>3310970
how about you watch a couple videos and see what "based on PS" means

expect nothing but the best from animeposters

[Anonymous No.3310991]

>>3310977
Considering those programs share similarities I assume I'd get something useful from that page even if I don't plan to main PS. Gonna watch them anyway.

>>3310983
Just started.

[Anonymous No.3310998]

tfw forever shit

[Anonymous No.3311012]

>>3310593
Try to use a wider range of values and don't paint on a white background. I'd recommend studying some eyes to learn their form so that they don't look so flat and symbol-drawn.
I'm not very good at painting, but hopefully this helps a bit.

[Anonymous No.3311039]

>>3310998
less lines, more value

[Anonymous No.3311041]

>>3310935
Forgot to fix this and also mention that I wanted someone to point out what things are wrong with it. Sorry

[Anonymous No.3311043]

>>3311041
Well that didn't work

[Anonymous No.3311072]

Jeez, pigment liners and markers can get pretty expensive. How long do they typically last? A lot of these courses say to use pen, would it really matter if I just use cheap ballpoints or even pencil?

[Anonymous No.3311088]

>>3311072
no ballpoint pens are actually really quite nice to draw with, just the line can be a bit boring, so sketches don't come out as prettily as they may. a fine liner shouldn't be very expensive though, and a pen with a nib and a pot of ink isn't very expensive either.

[Anonymous No.3311090]

>>3311088
The felt tip Staedtler and Microns are at least $5 dollars each. That's not terrible if they lasted a while, but I'd think you'd burn through them fast doing a lot of beginner exercises. Same with Copic markers, but they probably last longer and are refillable.

[Anonymous No.3311108]

Whenever you get frustrated and feel like quitting, just remember why you're doing this.

Big 'ole anime tiddies.

[Anonymous No.3311109]

>>3311108
>tiddies
Cocks*

[Anonymous No.3311111]

>>3311108
It's true. Are you going to let another man draw the degenerate incest hentai that you jack off to forever? That's pretty gay. That's literally one step from having some dude give you a reach-around.

[Anonymous No.3311113]

>>3311111
Really makes me think. But what if a trap drew that stuff?

[Anonymous No.3311153]

>>3311111
I wanted to argue with him but he got quints so it must be true

[Anonymous No.3311155]

>>3311111
My almonds have been activated

[Anonymous No.3311160]

>>3311108
b-but how do I explain to my family that I'm practicing 10heveryday just for this?

[Anonymous No.3311162]

>>3311160
Grow up and move out so you don't have to.

[Anonymous No.3311183]

>>3311160
They already know, anon.

[Anonymous No.3311214]

I'm shit at shading and I'm new to using Krita. What are some shading techniques in Krita that I can use?

[Anonymous No.3311222]

had a Wacom Bamboo tablet for a long time but I just got my tax return and want to upgrade. Can I get by with the Huion GT 220 V2 that I can afford right now, or should I wait it out for another 2 or so months and save for the 13 inch Cintiq? My biggest draw to the Huion is that it's so much bigger but I know it has a bad reputation on /ic/. I figure I'm not a complete retard for it considering I don't know any better first-hand but I can't help but hesitate after seeing all the hate for it.

[Anonymous No.3311234]

>>3311214
Just... just stop. Start with the basics.

[Anonymous No.3311236]

>>3311222
No tablet will make up for your inability to draw.

[Anonymous No.3311247]

>>3311222
I've owned several Huion products. They work, but there's always little annoying things about them. At the same time, there's a lot of complaints about Wacom's quality control, so who knows if their non-pro products are any better.

In any case, if you're talking about saving up for months to afford it, then it sounds like price is a factor for you. Dumping a lot of money on a hobby that you might give up is fine if you're loaded, but if you're scrounging for money then I would question your priorities. Keep saving while you're getting good with cheap materials, then if you still enjoy the hobby use it to buy something newer and nicer? Pen displays and especially pen computers are getting significantly better every release, the Microsoft stuff especially.

[Anonymous No.3311253]

>>3311234
Fair enough my nigga

[Anonymous No.3311296]

looking to get feedback on simple cutout comics ;-;

[Anonymous No.3311305]

>>3311296
#1) it's not art
#2) take your homo shit to /lgbt/

[Anonymous No.3311332]

>>3311305
noted thx

[Anonymous No.3311369]

>>3311296
there's nothing to critique, there's barely an attempt at anything serious

[Anonymous No.3311374]

>>3311111
Hmmm really makes one have a think

[Anonymous No.3311380]

>>3311111
I came to this thread to learn how to draw my husbando, and I think I'm very close.

[Anonymous No.3311381]

How would you draw something like this? From my beginners understanding, would you cut out all the various textures of the moss and rocks and such into basic shapes and just kind of layer them onto the page? Or would you go more abstract? I don’t care about photo realism.

[Anonymous No.3311425]

>>3311381
Block in the values then add detail.

[Anonymous No.3311492]

>>3308143
They mean on the left side of the nose, you've drawn a shadow shape where there is none.

[Anonymous No.3311500]

>>3310407
This picture gave me eye cancer.

[Anonymous No.3311553]

>doing the exercises in Drawing with the Right Side of the Brain
>text says that I should have felt a certain way
>I haven't
What's wrong with me?

[Anonymous No.3311562]

How do I keep my hand from sticking to the tablet when drawing?

[Anonymous No.3311566]

Can I ever actually get good at art if I have benign essential tremors? Even my handwriting looks like it was done by an 8 year old.

[Anonymous No.3311569]

Total newbie asking for tips on body drawing

pic related, it's my practice

[Anonymous No.3311575]

>>3311553
You haven't unlocked your potential yet.

[Anonymous No.3311586]

>>3311575
What does it even mean? I'm sitting here with an headache and I think I'm gonna call quits for today. I've been doing these for 3 hours and it ain't clicking.

[Anonymous No.3311587]

>>3311569
is that crayon?

[Anonymous No.3311588]

>>3311566
maybe you can be one of those motivational artists people light to trot out because they’re disabled even if they suck

[Anonymous No.3311594]

>>3311569
Stop carving your pencil into the paper like an ape would.

[Anonymous No.3311600]

>>3311594
This, it damages the paper and makes the lines reflective

[Anonymous No.3311601]

>>3311586
>it ain't clicking.
What is supposed to?

[Anonymous No.3311608]

>>3311601
Well, according to what the book says I should reach a state where I feel focused on the subject, but I can't keep my mind clear. Also, when doing the upside down drawing exercise I can't seem to avoid sticking with symbols. The more I try to think "Alright, this is a curved line", the more my brain shouts "fucking retard, that's a finger"

[Anonymous No.3311615]

>>3311608
I'd personally just continue, instead of staring holes in my canvas thinking that looking at it for long enough it I will eventually get it.

It is not worse than you can reread it in half a years time.

[Anonymous No.3311627]

>>3309549
There's no actual form. You set up a 3d image and ignored it when you tried to actually draw something.

[Anonymous No.3311630]

>>3311569
S t i c k y

[Anonymous No.3311698]

how do i draw faces without just tracing a photo

[Anonymous No.3311701]

>>3311698
good question
a better one is why you see your drawing as 'just a tracing'

[Anonymous No.3311710]

>>3311701
thats what it is. I couldnt draw it without copying the reference and id like to get to a point where i dont need a reference

[Anonymous No.3311717]

Tried drawing some apples. The shading fucked me. The top two apples were drawn by just trying to follow the contours, while the halved apple was drawn using a different method that I forgot the name of. First (You) will be the reference image.

[Anonymous No.3311718]

>>3311717

[Anonymous No.3311724]

>>3310850
>>3310848
cute family dude

[Anonymous No.3311734]

>>3311710
your tracing isn't even correct, so if you start 'tracing' more accurately you will learn accurate placements and learn how faces work, and manipulate them knowledgably.

[Anonymous No.3311746]

Please redpill me on these: https://www.huiontablet.com/kamvas-gt-191.html

Why are they one third the price of Cintiqs?

[Anonymous No.3311758]

>>3311734
but i dont want to trace

[Anonymous No.3311761]

>>3311758
You trace until you don't have to anymore, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.3311777]

>>3311761
i dont think thats true. there are countless artists on youtube that can only trace pinup art. I think practicing tracing will only make you good at tracing. Even look at proko. he went to school for years and he cant draw anything

[Anonymous No.3311790]

I have trouble diving things into thirds, like I don't know where to start. Any advice there?

[Anonymous No.3311797]

>>3311012
Thanks anon! I really like what you did there with the values since that's the kind of thing that I want to do. I didn't change it since i was already kind of finishing it but i'll use yours as reference later. Maybe I'll retouch it later too.

Thanks again!

[Anonymous No.3311798]

Me and a friend wants to start drawing practices by drawing something every other day.

Which guide is recommended to follow? Is there something else we should be looking at?

Also r8, this is my version.

[Anonymous No.3311800]

>>3311798
Sorry I'm an idiot. Image resized.

[Anonymous No.3311801]

>>3311798
>>3311800
her version

[Anonymous No.3311803]

>>3311790
>I have trouble diving things into thirds
Why would you need this?

[Anonymous No.3311816]

>>3311803
Proportions

[Anonymous No.3311818]

>>3311798
>every other day
You're already not making it.

[Anonymous No.3311830]

>>3311247
money isn't a huge factor, and I'm trying to move art from a hobby to a source of secondary income. It just seems like a bigger factor than it is because I had to wait for my tax return to get the tablet. I had about $350 saved up in cash, and it would have been more but I have direct deposit and I only withdraw actual cash every few weeks out of necessity and not out of desire, and the $350 is my leftover change I've accumulated. My tax return is just throw-away money so I'm gonna put the money together and upgrade while I have the opportunity.

I thought about going for the Surface Pro, but then I opted out of it because 1 I just couldn't afford it at the time (but admittedly I haven't looked in a while), and 2, I didn't want to pay for tech I already have. I don't want a smaller tablet that doubles as a regular computer, when I already have a sufficient computer. You know? I have a pretty beefy gaming rig but I haven't gamed on it since like last March. I don't want to pay extra for tech I already have and won't get the use out of. Meanwhile my current tablet isn't a screen tablet. On that same note, I had considered the iPad Pro & stylus but I already got CSP, my primary program, on my PC, and don't want to pay even more for it in the long run. I also don't really need the portability of the Surface Pro or the iPad.

I think I'm just gonna say fuck it and buy the Huion anyways. If it's a mistake then I'll deal with it. I'd rather have a lackluster screen tablet than a lackluster graphics tablet. Like I said, this money is throw-away money for the most part.

[Anonymous No.3311852]

>>3311777
The thing is man, it depends on the artist. You can 'trace' (I'm assuming you're talking about studies) and learn. People who never improve are people who are in love with the process of working off a reference. You feel me? They don't want to improve, they don't see themselves whipping stuff up from their own imagination. They just love love LOOOOOVE looking at a ref, making some lines, looking back at the ref, making some lines, etc.

I truly truly hope this helps. You shouldn't banish perfectly good resources just because proko this or eceleb that. Be smart about it for fuck's sake....

[Anonymous No.3311866]

>>3311818
ok but can you rate the shit?

[Anonymous No.3311877]

>>3311866
3

[Anonymous No.3311885]

Hit me up.

I've been trying to get the facial anatomy right so any critique on that is super appreciated.

Hairline, ears and neck are super trash so I'm going to get to that after I get faces down.

[Anonymous No.3311891]

How do you guys feel about analyzing and copying stuff from artists you like to improve? Do you think it's an useful thing to do or is it mainly a waste of time? Do you think it would be more useful to go for reallife references? if you do/did that, how do you proceed in order to squeeze the most out of other people's stuff?

Pic related and imgur link is stuff i've been copying in the last couple days from various artists i really like. Girl with the guitar is the only "original" sketch i did out of the bunch.

https://imgur.com/a/WaADJ

[Anonymous No.3311894]

>>3311891
think its entirely beneficial to study artists you like and discover exactly why you like that artists drawings.

I do it all the time. I draw anime. I don't give a fuck. I think Japanese anime drawings are magical. So I drew them and studied the proportions, the most utilized perspectives, saw patterns, understood a LOT. Drawing is discovery!

Good sketches man.

[Anonymous No.3311897]

>>3311891
You could apply this to real life references as well, but sure if analyzing other peoples stuff like this makes you get shit done, then so be it.

[Anonymous No.3311899]

>>3311877
which?
and why?

[Anonymous No.3311947]

>>3311043
No really feel free to tell me something instead of ignoring me just like every other person in my life

[Anonymous No.3311951]

>>3311947
spend at least 30 minutes on something if you want a critique

[Anonymous No.3311953]

>>3311891
basically every single manga artist says they copied their seniors to learn how to draw
it's totally worth it to copy artists you like

[Anonymous No.3311962]

>>3311798
id give it a 2.5

i dont even know the ref but if there are only like 5 values in this then i already know your personal value scale is lacking
line/outline work is shoddy
at least the general shape doesnt seem to be bad but idk the ref
and you just half-assed the small tufts of feathers on the chest like sporadic chicken scratches

hell looking at your friend's bird i don't even know if you guys are doing the same ref, but im going to assume yours is closer to the ref

>every other day
lol what

and guide for what? drawing? everything is in the sticky. and idk what you should be looking at- what do you want to get out of this specifically?

[Anonymous No.3311967]

>>3311698
i dont believe for a fact that you traced over it, true sheer difference between your work and the pic. eyes are way too big, and that left nostril is too big, the nose bridge isnt even thick enough.

[Anonymous No.3311969]

>>3311962
here's ref

[Anonymous No.3311981]

First time drawing objects around the place and symbol drew this tissue box. Abstracting the horizon line to find the perspective is hard.

[Anonymous No.3311985]

How the fuck do I draw a head. What the fuck.

[Anonymous No.3311987]

>>3311969
damn lol your friend needs work
though yeah you could have done much better with the chest of that bird leading down to its legs, a lot of values & tones missed. birds are actually really good for studying values and tones, so keep that up if that's what you want in drawing, unless this was just a random subject you wanted to draw for the sake of it

you got the general shape of the bird down at least, but even then there's still some stuff you can work on, like how the head of the bird is flatter than the one you drew, the grey mantle of the bird is much spacier in ref than what you depicted, etc.

[Anonymous No.3311992]

[Anonymous No.3312031]

>>3308785
I like the shape and design, but the legs are completely WTF. The forms of the legs dont read that well and the anatomy is wrong. Also the dress is skintight until the very bottom? Otherwise a very good piece but this jumped out at me.

[Anonymous No.3312088]

Did a bunch of those. Heres hoping they help with my head problem. The boxes are supposed to be the same perspective as the smartphones, but not existing in the same space.

[Anonymous No.3312090]

Did a bunch of those. Heres hoping they help with my head problem! The boxes are supposed to be the same perspective as the smartphones, but not existing in the same space.

[Anonymous No.3312138]

>>3311951
I did though

[Anonymous No.3312170]

any instructional books on character design especifically?

[Anonymous No.3312175]

>>3307951
here you go kiddo

[Anonymous No.3312177]

>>3312170
Learn the basics first.

[Anonymous No.3312182]

>>3312177
yeah yeah i know man, im asking for when i get that down, its just that i see hundreds of books on cars/houses/objects design but almost nothing on character design

[Anonymous No.3312183]

>>3312182
Just give them tumblr noses and SJW hair and you're set

[Anonymous No.3312188]

>>3312170
The Silver Way. Great goddamn book.

[Anonymous No.3312304]

>>3311830
How old are you?

[Anonymous No.3312324]

>>3312304
47

[Anonymous No.3312331]

Apparently dexterity is a real thing. Only been doing drawing exercises for like 3 days and my ability to hit lines and ellipses has already massively improved.

[Anonymous No.3312437]

>>3312331
of course! Being in connection with your hand is important to being an artist. Makes it easier to draw what you're thinking, too, if you can translate your thoughts directly to hand movements.

[Anonymous No.3312527]

>>3311111
I am okay with this

[Anonymous No.3312575]

>>3312175
as someone who owns figure drawing by Michael Hampton
I have to ask...what exercises? there's none. It's just drawings, no instructions. It's just "oh look at this gesture, sure would be handy to know how to draw a gesture huh? well too bad lol"

[Anonymous No.3312666]

>>3310347
Do you find it difficult to draw on your tablet or something? I think that’s why it’s taking so much time, because you might be getting used to the tools.

[Anonymous No.3312828]

>>3312575
i didnt get to that book yet sorry

[Anonymous No.3313087]

>>3312575
I have that book, he is about as step by step as you could possibly get. The only way he could hold your hand more is if he walked into your house and actually held your hand. It's immensely helpful.

And yes you're also supposed to copy the drawings there, they're examples of what to do. Again there ARE step by step instructions.

This is 'Figure Drawing - Design and Invention', correct?

[Anonymous No.3313117]

>>3313087
yes that is the book, and he doesn't do step by step, the closest thing for gesture drawings is that spread page of like 20-30 different gesture drawings near the beggining of the book.

[Anonymous No.3313170]

https://imgur.com/a/mDzIA
Some stuff I did between drawabox exercises, still on the first lesson.
Is it a good course?

[Anonymous No.3313376]

>>3311885
Heavier outlines

[Anonymous No.3313598]

>>3311992
Keep it up man!