/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.3305519]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>3302602

[Anonymous No.3305520]

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

[Anonymous No.3305553]

THIS IS A NO-CRAB THREAD! NO CRABS ALLOWED IN THIS THREAD

[Anonymous No.3305557]

What should I do first?
>michael hampton
>loomis
>vilppu
>erik olson
>scott robertson
>other

[Anonymous No.3305564]

>>3305553
damn alright. pack it up boys

[Anonymous No.3305569]

>>3305553
what about if i draw a crab?
actually im gonna do it tomorrow now, thx for the idea

[Anonymous No.3305572]

Well, are you gonna pick up?

[Anonymous No.3305573]

>>3305572
Is it Guzma?

[Anonymous No.3305582]

hows this so far

[Anonymous No.3305589]

Anti Mage

[Anonymous No.3305599]

>>3305582
I can understand what it is, that's a good thing.
The figures look a bit stiff, though. Try exaggerating the anatomy ("gesture"). Proportions are so-so. Also, the peck muscles are connected further to the arm bone, which means that they should move more.
Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.3305601]

>>3305557
1. Keys to drawing/drawing with the right side of the brain
2. Some perspective book, like perspective made easy
3. Dynamic Sketching course by Peter Han, at the same time I would do the Scott Robertson "How to Draw" book
4. Michael Hampton (Analytical figure drawing), at the same learn anatomy from other sources (Proko, Vilppu, Anatomy for Sculptors etc. You should also try your hand at (digital) sculpting. (Blender, Zbrush etc.)

[Anonymous No.3305603]

>>3305599
can you please point out a proportional flaw?
>pecs
yeah i think you are right, especially with the lower left figure
>gestures
here are my attempts at practicing gesture before. what advice do i need here?
and thanks for the response

[Anonymous No.3305604]

What can I do to make the anatomy better? What parts look really wrong? (tried to do it like Kim Jung Gi, without guidelines etc.)

[Anonymous No.3305608]

>>3305603
For example, the right guys pelvis is way too up. For gesture, you're on the right track but try making the lines even "flowier", exaggerate even more. I would suggest you learn caricaturing (from Court Jones or Jason Seiler), it really helped me to learn how much you can actually exaggerate without losing the likeness

[Anonymous No.3305615]

>>3305608
if you look at the top row third from the left im really pushing that exaggeration as far as it can go. do i really push it even further?

[Anonymous No.3305617]

>>3305615
That is good

[Anonymous No.3305618]

How can I get the neck of the femur to look right?

There's frontal light, so the cast shadow of the head lands on the neck, but it absolutely doesn't look like that right now.

Here's some other recent stuff:
https://imgur.com/a/OVMxm

[Anonymous No.3305634]

>>3305269 here from last night. Woke up and started practicing again, working upside down again of course.

[Anonymous No.3305637]

Today's sketches. The value studies are done rather quickly with a huge brush and a medium sized eraser, kinda happy with the still life. Linework looks boring, if anyone has any tips on how to liven it up, please share.

[Anonymous No.3305679]

I'm still shit at drawing, yet I can't stop buying drawing materials. How do I stop buying drawing materials?

[Anonymous No.3305707]

>>3305634
You've got some serious issues with drawing what you see. Learning visual drawing is the first step in improvement.

Draw this image upside-down without turning either the image or your drawing right side up until you're finished.

Post it when you're done and don't be discouraged if it ends up looking like hot garbage, most of them do on the first attempt.

[Anonymous No.3305708]

>>3305707
lol forgot image, best teacher

[Anonymous No.3305726]

>>3305707
>>3305708
I drew him already, but should I just keep going till i got a good grasp of it?

[Anonymous No.3305728]

From loomis figure drawing book, whatchu think bros
I can see the legs are a bit short

[Anonymous No.3305743]

>>3305386
>>3304709
did the line art and stuff. kinda went lazy on the shadows desu.

[Anonymous No.3305747]

>>3305726
Uh yes, you need to give it another go. But first, google the eyeballing game and play it. It's a test that shows your ability to see accurately. At the very least, it will force your brain to start paying more attention to angles.

Try to get the best score you can on that game, then try the drawing exercise again.

[Anonymous No.3305751]

>>3305743
Due to the contrast that the shadows and face contour lines add, it makes it look like he's wearing someone else's face. Maybe drop some of the face lines and go for a softer shadow.

[Anonymous No.3305753]

>>3305728
The legs look maybe like .1 cm short, looks good to me

Although the top part is leaning to the left a bit, but all in all everything looks great

[Anonymous No.3305771]

Any material or reccommendatios on what I should study to get to this point? I'll post my own attempt below.

[Anonymous No.3305772]

>>3305771
I'm just geussing desu

[Anonymous No.3305795]

>>3305582
perspective of the chest on the guy holding the right leg looks off compared to the guy holding the left leg.

[Anonymous No.3305799]

>>3305771
learn the bargue method of isolating shadow and blocking in faces, draw 100 faces, draw another 100 from imagination, paint 100 faces, paint another 100 from imagination, and do lots of style studies the whole time.

[Anonymous No.3305810]

>>3305772
You should study your own work. I'd recommend Delacroix, he was a supreme colourist (goodness , that's a word). The style you hanker after is found in the precursors to comic art, and there are many you could look to. Some symbolists, some early renaissance, late Greek pottery. Avoid romanticism and high renaissance, also impressionism eschewed this style. Some naïve artists chose this bent for all the good it did them. Hoper and American gothic would suit well.

[Anonymous No.3305815]

>>3305810
>Avoid romanticism
as Delacroix was more a classicist though he picked up a modern manner

[Anonymous No.3305853]

I want to practice sighting more, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to where to find material to practice with. Things like black and white line drawings would probably be best to learn to copy lines and angles from.

[Anonymous No.3305858]

>>3305601
is it keys to drawing "or" drawing with the right side of the brain? should i read both books before actually moving on

[Anonymous No.3305861]

>>3305858
Do the exercises in both

[Anonymous No.3305862]

>>3305519
Everything about this is decent except the mouth area. The eye is great.

[Anonymous No.3305867]

>tfw autist
>don't even know how to pose naturally or what makes a pose "natural", let alone how to draw one

My dad tells me I walk around as if I'm being held up by a coat-hanger

[Anonymous No.3305891]

>>3305858
Don't read Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, you WILL kill yourself. Just do the exercises as much as you can.

[Anonymous No.3305912]

>>3305891
well i did actually read the whole book, even if its apparently controversial i thought it was at least interesting

[Anonymous No.3305962]

>>3305891
Right Side Of The Brain is for people that have zero experience with visual drawing. It's important to know a person's skill level before suggesting to skip over necessary exercises.

I will say I prefer Ctrl-Paint's visual drawing lessons over that book though.

[Anonymous No.3305978]

>>3305912
>>3305962
My point wasn't that it's not a good book. It's a great book for beginners. But the words in the book are near useless, it's 250 pages of pseudo science about left/right brain stuff that has long since been debunked, and then 50 pages of amazing exercises. Skip the words and draw.

[Anonymous No.3305983]

>>3305978
Oh I see what you mean, yes I fully agree. Skip the blah blah and just do whatever the exercise says.

[Anonymous No.3305984]

>>3305962
he is saying not to actually read it and to just skip to the exercises. i think the author rambles a bit but it isn't really that bad, it is very hard for the student to know what to skip on first read as well so in my opinion its pretty poor advice to just skip everything

[Anonymous No.3305991]

>>3305582
He dabbin lmao

[Anonymous No.3306001]

>>3305867
>My dad tells me I walk around as if I'm being held up by a coat-hanger
You probably pull up your shoulders when walking, you're not relaxed enough probably because you pay a lot of attention when you do it.
Look up reference of poses, pose similarly, learn the differences.

[Anonymous No.3306005]

>>3305604
Process. Any tips on anatomy? On the technique? (straight on canvas)

[Anonymous No.3306007]

How bad is drawing from photos? I don't want to be handicapped for life

I try to aim for art rather than realism, and draw how I think it should look like, stay away from lens perspective, tracing, line copying and so on. I try to imagine how things work in 3d, and when I look at reference I try to get the feeling that objects give me, and just draw that. I'm trying to look at reference less and less, and only look at the paper and my ideas.

[Anonymous No.3306014]

>>3306005
Is that a trace, or is your brain running completely on cliches?

[Anonymous No.3306015]

>>3306007
The good news is that no matter how bad you fuck up, you can quickly unlearn any bad habits. Photos are fine, but you should include real life studies as well. Find a healthy balance.

[Anonymous No.3306021]

>>3306014
>cliches
What do you mean? Not a trace, i tried to emulate Jung Gi's "style", but I still lack anatomical knowledge (for example, the lower side, i have no idea what to place there)

See >>3305604 for better quality

[Anonymous No.3306039]

>>3306021
I mean it looks pretty generic, and with the way you drew it, not planning or trying to see the bigger picture first, especially with that perspective, it seemed like a trace. Some weird things are emphasized, like on the right shoulder, and others are missing; i.e. get rid of your symbol drawing and focus on light and shadow instead. I'd recommend using a pencil instead of contour lines.

[Anonymous No.3306049]

>>3306039
I see. Okay, i'll try to learn better anatomy. I don't think drawing contour lines, I mostly visualise cilinders and boxes and draw "on top"of them, but I see what you mean

[Anonymous No.3306086]

>>3305743
Not bad man but don't do a Tumblr nose and get rid of that weird excessive chin line. that isn't anatomical.

[Anonymous No.3306113]

>>3305519

Not sure if /beg/ related, but, I am finding it really hard to force myself to draw, even something as minimal as drawing some boxes or lines. I don't know if it's because I gave up, knowing I will never make it and am only drawing because I marginally like it now, or what, but I am really finding it hard to even work on anything anymore.

[Anonymous No.3306127]

>>3306113
What do you do instead of drawing?

[Anonymous No.3306128]

What are some ideas or projects that one can work towards as a beginner?

I'm interested mainly in illustrating figures and environments. I don't have much interest in anything like a comic, I prefer standalone work. I primarily work with pencil, ballpoint pen, and digital in Photoshop. I'm trying to draw every day but not sure what to draw "for fun" after I've practiced the exercises I'm doing and applying them.

Searching "art project" typically just gives crafts projects for children. I seen ideas of trying to draw themes or random objects daily. I guess I'll think about themes more and see what luck I have with randomly selecting some words or articles I see from the internet.

[Anonymous No.3306139]

>>3306113
There is like a million possible reasons for that, and an even greater amount of solutions.

Perhaps you had big expectations, and now you feel bad because of the responsibility. Change your approach; perhaps make it less serious, perhaps shoot for the moon and try to emulate the classics, perhaps forget technique and just express yourself, perhaps you never liked the style of your work in the first place but were not confident enough to aim for something greater.

Maybe you need a goal, maybe you need inspiration and something to aim at, maybe you need to study an history and immerse yourself in an art movement and it's ideals, maybe you just need to look at a bunch of art and photos and draw one everyday, maybe you need an account on the internet where you will post your work.

Or not.

[Anonymous No.3306140]

>>3306128
Why did you decide to learn to draw in the first place?

[Anonymous No.3306165]

I’m just sharing a inspirational master work
Do You want to have this level?
You can do it anon.

[Anonymous No.3306173]

>>3306140
Because my other hobbies are photography and 3d modeling. I don't live in a place where I can take many photos any more and I wanted to learn drawing to be able to design my own creations if I ever want to 3d model them. I've always had a fondness for watercolor from childhood and have also wanted to draw ecchi shit of athletic women for over a decade.

[Anonymous No.3306175]

>>3306039
holy shit. This is the biggest fucking crab I have seen in all of /ic/

[Anonymous No.3306179]

>>3306128
There's a world of ideas you can work on. Illustrate something. Redo an album cover. Do a landscape, or a still life, or a portrait. Learn what kinds of trees there are, and how to draw them. Draw animals. Go to the zoo, and draw all the animals.

What are you goals? To be a gallery artist? Conceptual? Illustrator? That generally directs people towards the work they want to do. I wanted to do book and album covers, and scifi fantasy stuff, so that's what I worked on in high school for fun. I have a mental list that's always growing of the things I want to paint or draw, even in art school I never ran into anyone who had no idea what to work on, it's kind of bizarre.

Go to gutenberg.com and download an old book and illustrate a cover. I don't know what to tell you, lack of vision isn't something I've ever had to deal with, before coming here.

Standard assignments in school are typically simple subjects, like still life, portrait, landscape, etc, while students are putting the fundamental building blocks together. Pick an area of concentration, like lighting, or drapery, or skin, and focus on rendering that kind of thing.

[Anonymous No.3306184]

>>3306175
I thought so too. "looks generic" lmao.

[Anonymous No.3306189]

>>3306175
>>3306184
>muh circlejerk hugbox is not for criticism! fucking crabs

[Anonymous No.3306193]

>>3306113
It's all brain/personality based. I personally developed an interest in drawing when I decided I wanted to make cool fantasy stories. Then when I couldn't draw something I'd get mad and do research on how to draw it.

[Anonymous No.3306199]

>>3306184
I does look generic. Most beginner art does. There's nothing especially appealing about it, there's nothing that would make me want to see it again. It's not bad, but it's basically homework. The important thing is what you learned from it, if anything, or to show your progress, in which case, mission accomplished. You're not showing a completed piece, which is generally what you show in a critique. In my art classes, in the beginner ones, we didn't hang up our practice pieces for the class to rip apart, the teacher looked at them to make sure we were getting the point of it, and getting something from it. There's a difference between critique and grading/advice. Your work, as presented, doesn't really need a critique. You drew a torso, and a head. Okay. Mission accomplished? You have gotten as far as being able to do that, without any obvious mistakes, so keep going. I really don't know what you need, past that.

Aside from that, I personally wouldn't draw in green, but that's me.

[Anonymous No.3306220]

Self Portrait, i haven´t drawn in a loooooong time so i kinda forgot all i learnt

[Anonymous No.3306235]

>>3306165
that's not even art though
do not want genre fiction in my life senpai

[Anonymous No.3306237]

>>3306179
Thanks, this helped me form some thoughts so I could write down a plan.

[Anonymous No.3306247]

>>3306127
Things that involve the nsfw boards, watching movies, sometimes reading, playing games (which has quickly died out as I slowly grow older).

>>3306139
>There is like a million possible reasons for that, and an even greater amount of solutions.
A mixture maybe of depression, hopelessness, and the one thing that gave even a spark of meaning in my life is withering away desperately before my eyes. Thanks though, I actually got some mileage out of.
>perhaps forget technique and just express yourself, perhaps you never liked the style of your work in the first place but were not confident enough to aim for something greater.

>>3306193
>I personally developed an interest in drawing when I decided I wanted to make cool fantasy stories. That was about the equivalent of why I began as well. I had hopes to become an animator or cartoonist, though those were long, long shots anyways.

Though, basically the general reply to all of these is I used to want to draw/make a webcomic or graphic novel after I downgraded my ambitions of wanting to be an animator, but I deem myself either too lazy, unmotivated, and/or just not good enough even after downgrading, though on my personal works I have been working on it very casually over a long time, more so with the story than the actual art, but I do have a general concept of the characters and world fleshed and drawn out in visual format. I used to go and lurk on /hyw/ on /co/ for the longest time, but deemed it a cesspit, and always took /ic/ to be the better with regards to creativity and skill improving. I just try to force myself to even draw some basic fundamental practice and I just go blank.

[Anonymous No.3306259]

[Anonymous No.3306281]

>>3306199
The point is that the guy who drew it was almost certainly doing so as an anatomical study. Because this is the beginner thread.

Calling an anatomic study "generic" is laughable. The point is accuracy. If you are learning anatomy serious it is not about Muh style. It SHOULD look generic.

[Anonymous No.3306285]

I have never drawn before and I just received a hand me down drawing pad and manga studio 5. Where do start?

[Anonymous No.3306289]

>>3306285
on paper

[Anonymous No.3306301]

>>3306259
Why does that pone look like she has a mustache? You can't just do anything you want with a mouth line and expect it to work, you know!

[Anonymous No.3306305]

>>3306301
UHH, SOURCE PLEEEASE

[Anonymous No.3306310]

[Anonymous No.3306316]

Critique on the values and rendering

[Anonymous No.3306328]

Is this any helpful

[Anonymous No.3306333]

>>3306328
No. Only the examples of mastery illustration at the bottom and even that has a large asterisk because it assumes a lot about the direction of style past the third mastery.

If you want to draw people I think this is what you should learn
>Learning to draw what you see and not symbol draw
>Basic forms - ellipses, circles, arcs, lines, volumes (sphere, cube, cylinder, cone/pyramid)
>Gesture
>Perspective
>Anatomy - proportions, skeletal and muscular systems

There are so many needless specializations in the image that are completely out of order. If you're learning and practicing anatomy from earlier on then you won't struggle at all with different poses because you can draw them all from any angle or at least have an idea of how to. Style, composition, details, poses, and body language come later. Check out the Watts or Eaton videos on anatomy.

[Anonymous No.3306337]

>>3306328
im no expert but i would be wary

[Anonymous No.3306354]

[Anonymous No.3306369]

>>3306354
It might not be how you work but I find the end result of my paintings and edges to be better when I block in the values I want from the start instead of "blending" as soon as you are in some places. Use a more opaque brush earlier on is pretty much all I mean. Less worrying about trying to maintain edges if they start out as hard since you've painted the planes.

[Anonymous No.3306379]

some practice before bed

[Anonymous No.3306380]

>>3306379
push those values harder. don't be afraid to go dark. also, your skin tones are pretty grey, it looks like you shaded with greyish purple? try shading with more saturated reddish colors like the reference.

[Anonymous No.3306399]

>>3306379
The entire form is wrong. Worry less about details, more about getting the basic form right.

[Anonymous No.3306414]

>>3306380
>>3306399
Thanks lads

[Anonymous No.3306419]

Why the fuck is Loomis's FWAP so boring? And how do I NOT get bored with even just the first lesson?

[Anonymous No.3306421]

Is there any method to mechanically improve every time I do ellipses? Pic related, it feels like I'm aimlessly doing them even though I'm mentally putting in a decent amount of effort to make them round and fit the criteria area.

[Anonymous No.3306439]

how much longer until i'm good,,, 1/4

[Anonymous No.3306440]

[Anonymous No.3306441]

[Anonymous No.3306443]

4/4 kill me

[Anonymous No.3306446]

>>3306439
Never. Give up.

[Anonymous No.3306450]

>>3306446

[Anonymous No.3306451]

[Anonymous No.3306479]

>>3306421
It doesn't look like you're mentally putting in the effort or listening to the directions at all. One line with minimal overlaps. You might need to go slower and think more. Only worry about making the most natural shape ellipse to you which should be perpindicular to your arm.

[Anonymous No.3306574]

How does this look so far and what can I do to improve?

[Anonymous No.3306582]

>>3306574
How do you manage to fuck up such a simple exercise?
Do it again, more carefully this time.

[Anonymous No.3306589]

When does drawing stop feeling like a shitty chore? I hate drawing and I want to blow my brains out whenever I try, but I keep going back anyway because I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.3306592]

>>3306589
If you don't like doing it why bother?

[Anonymous No.3306594]

>>3306592
I'm addicted to it

[Anonymous No.3306595]

>>3306594
Why?
What's your purpose?
What's your goal?

[Anonymous No.3306597]

>>3306595
I want to make a nice picture that I can look at and think "this is a new thing I made that didn't exist before but I worked hard and made it" and then move on and make other nice drawings.

[Anonymous No.3306598]

>>3306574
Have more fun with your pencil. Don't copy Loomis with your pencil. Follow Loomis framework and methods but in terms of the actual features of the face. Try your own thing. That is more fun.

[Anonymous No.3306600]

>https://gfycat com/DismalImpishBaiji
>https://gfycat com/PositiveIllfatedGartersnake
https://imgur.com/a/lTsid
This is a collection of pretty much all art i've ever made
Pls judge me

[Anonymous No.3306601]

>>3306598
You are able to do that now. But you gotta appreciate even the smallest things, like "hey this eye looks nice", even if everything else doesn't, you can always improve and get a completely nice picture you can be truly proud of. To be able to be happy with your drawing, you must be able to appreciate what you can do for now.

[Anonymous No.3306602]

>>3306589
>When does drawing stop feeling like a shitty chore?
When you successfully draw something you like that doesn't look terrible. Don't give up anon.

[Anonymous No.3306607]

>>3306589
I had the same feeling too until I just started drawing shit that let me have a bit of fun. Just do whatever is fun and then go back to grinding your studies. It's a constant loop of grinding and seeing the improvement when you do have fun.

[Anonymous No.3306630]

>>3306574
Looks fine
I wouldn't worry about the details too much. The important part is that you think about the three-dimensional shape and not just the lines. Just fill a couple of pages with various faces from various angles.

[Anonymous No.3306638]

>>3306451
Good on you for thinking about line weight but you are doing it wrong. Just making the outline really heavy doesn't accomplish anything (unless you want to distinguish it from the background).

[Anonymous No.3306659]

how is this different face from a different angle looking SO FAR (its not fucking finished yet)?

[Anonymous No.3306662]

>every time I use any other sort of book for construction or anatomy, everything ends up pointing back to Loomis because he ends up explaining stuff way better and clearer even in the middle of his massive text dumps

Well, Loomis, I'm coming back home

[Anonymous No.3306670]

>>3306659
there are alot of probloms, but using a bigger brush would be a good start, also try using reff.

[Anonymous No.3306690]

>>3306670
>there are alot of probloms
such as?

[Anonymous No.3306693]

>>3306662
>learning drawing in the same way everybody else is
>shiggy

this is why art is stagnant, everybody learns "technique" and we end up with a bunch of craftsmen
so many people running workshops, teaching, selling their work, but it's all useless and trite
worst part is, they wouldn't even recognize art if they saw it

but I feel and I know the sublime even if the whole world decided to be blind

[Anonymous No.3306695]

>>3306693
Kill yourself, crab.

[Anonymous No.3306697]

>>3306695
t. alga

[Anonymous No.3306703]

>>3306690
to many to mention dawg, but here are a few:

stroke economy, anatomy, symbol drawing, bad values, drawing individual hairs, ect.

but with time and practice these will get better.

[Anonymous No.3306707]

Hello I started getting seriously into drawing of december, after 1 month of doing some shit life drawing and from imagination, i thought it was the time to learn the fundies.
I'm currently at the beginning of "Fuk with a Pencil" witht the cartoony faces.
What matters is to understand method, but It is fine if I draw the features of the cartoon face (like eyes) in my own way, right?

[Anonymous No.3306709]

>>3306707
Of course. It's actually even better if you do it your own way, you'll learn even faster. Good luck!

[Anonymous No.3306710]

There was a thread way back on reading materials and there was a book that's supposed to be a better and easier-to-understand alternative to the Loomis books in regards to drawing figures and faces. Any idea what that book is?

[Anonymous No.3306711]

>>3306710
seconding this

[Anonymous No.3306712]

how come its so hard to make hard and soft edges, everytime I try it rend up looking like a bit like values stairs, if you get what I mean? Only way I can do them is to use the select tool and use a soft brush. I saw sinix had a good brush for that but its not in the procreate app. anyone have any tips?

also crits?

[Anonymous No.3306732]

>>3306690
>>3306659
Maybe post the line art next time. It's hard to point out mistakes that happened at that stage when everything is muddled by the shading.

Think of the hair as a shape, like a helmet, don't think about individual hairs. Think about where the light source is.

[Anonymous No.3306735]

Hi /ic/
I started drawing a year ago and I finally got to the point where I feel comfortable showing off my art, can I have some constructive criticism?

[Anonymous No.3306737]

>>3306735
Stylized and yet very emotional at the same time. Bravo. Couldn't have done better.

[Anonymous No.3306760]

>>3306737
>>3306737
fuck you crab, I will never post anything again

[Anonymous No.3306776]

any advice?

[Anonymous No.3306777]

What am I doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.3306848]

I made some art in photoshop but forgot to turn on a background and so worked with the transparent background.
Is there a way I can salvage this?

[Anonymous No.3306850]

>>3306848
do you know how layers work? just make a new
white one and place it behind everything

[Anonymous No.3306854]

>>3306850
Yeah but I drew it with the transparency in mind so when the white background is added it makes the image contrast horribly- things are too dark wheras in the transparent background they are fine.

[Anonymous No.3306857]

>>3306854
Maybe there is an option in the blending properties of the layer with your drawing, or check the layer merging options when you right click - as in merge visible, flatten etc

[Anonymous No.3306869]

I know my anatomy is pretty bad but are there any specific points I should work on?

[Anonymous No.3306879]

>>3306869
>any specific points I should work on?
Stay on the page, and taste.

[Anonymous No.3306895]

I wanted to draw someone who wears a dress shirt so I thought I should try drawing from reference.

Clothes are difficult. Hair is also difficult. There's more lines than this but I think the camera detail lost some -- I want to learn how to cut some of these lines to make it look cleaner.

[Anonymous No.3306898]

>>3306895
>There's more lines than this

I don't think you should think or draw in terms of lines, that's an artificial concept
you've got a pencil so use more than just the tip, you also have fingers and an eraser, more detail isn't necessarily better

[Anonymous No.3306903]

So ive been everywhere on my practices. Anatomy perspective and shit. But i need to touch up on gestures. Ciuld i get a bit of critical analysis?

[Anonymous No.3306904]

>>3306898

I guess I was saying I'm not sure when to stop detailing. But you're probably right that I could be less linear. I started with a book that explained smudging, etc. but at some point when I was going through loomis I forgot about it.

[Anonymous No.3306907]

critique?

[Anonymous No.3306913]

critique on were to focus the most

[Anonymous No.3306922]

Oh boy, I really want to finish my paintings but backgrounds are killing me. Please tell me what to do with this one, I know it looks shitty but dunno why.

[Anonymous No.3306929]

>>3306922
there are problems with in on every level of analysis
just stop

[Anonymous No.3306968]

>>3306712
googled stuff about blending, and the advise I found was to use circular motions to blend, it kinda helped.

(reff was sinix's last video.

[Anonymous No.3306985]

>>3306693
Is this pasta. It sounds like pasta

[Anonymous No.3307010]

I'm trying to learn to draw portraits. Not manga, not digitally, just a pencil and paper portrait.

I've read Loomis, read books on how to see shapes and "see things differently", copied the examples, and spent a lot of hours trying to apply it to real photos, but my proportions, angles and whole effort is a complete failure, not to mention how sloppy and messy my lines and pencil strokes are.

Are there any other alternative methods? Something that has practical exercises I can follow would be really helpful too.

I just literally threw my pencils and drawings out of the window in a fit of rage. Luckily I have more pencils, but the rest are long gone since I live on a 9th floor.

[Anonymous No.3307016]

MY COCK IS POZZED

[Anonymous No.3307021]

>>3307010
>I just literally threw my pencils and drawings out of the window in a fit of rage. Luckily I have more pencils, but the rest are long gone since I live on a 9th floor.

topkek

drawing is a slow process, if you don't pay absolute attention and focus into every stroke, especially those you feel are unimportant, you're gonna suffer
still, it's way quicker and easier than, for example, composing classical music, so consider yourself lucky

[Anonymous No.3307030]

[Anonymous No.3307032]

head study

[Anonymous No.3307035]

>>3307030
why is he so upset

[Anonymous No.3307044]

>>3307035

[Anonymous No.3307045]

>>3307044
eat the broccoli

[Anonymous No.3307048]

>>3305519
Just a curious question. How does one get good at drawing hands? Do you just find pictures of hands in different poses and try to brute force draw them? Is there more methodology to it than that?

[Anonymous No.3307052]

>>3307048
>those hands

never use anime as reference for anything

[Anonymous No.3307053]

>>3307010
ik the feeling anon, and I have sympathy for you and ur pencils.

Alot of what makes people good artist is milage, and that will come with time. just try doing simple studies and just keep at it.

[Anonymous No.3307104]

>>3307052
Sure but I’d be happy if I could draw something that resembled a hand to begin with.

[Anonymous No.3307109]

>>3307104
oh then that's easy just read the sticky

[Anonymous No.3307123]

Today's effort. I think this coming week im going to review / spend time on individual muscles and stuff.

[Anonymous No.3307125]

>>3306777
Push values more. Everything looks kinda samey and vague.

[Anonymous No.3307128]

Moar

Any suggestion is appreciated
Even destructive critic, calling this shit. It motivates eme to do better. Am I “M” ???

[Anonymous No.3307133]

>>3306777
Your contrast is bad (too low)
Your fall off is wrong ( blending everything at the same range)
Bad strokes

You are no thing about the edges, maybe you don’t know where to find types of edges.

Akward perspective.

[Anonymous No.3307143]

>>3307123

You're working Bridgeman right?

[Anonymous No.3307153]

>>3305519
no matter how hard i try there always ends up being this ugly sponginess to the shapes i use across all of my studies/ imagination drawings of humans. how do i get this out of my artwork?

[Anonymous No.3307158]

>>3307153
also here is an imagination drawing for comparison

[Anonymous No.3307165]

>>3307048
How do you get good at drawing anything? Use your head.

[Anonymous No.3307167]

just some random trash, neck and shoulders are fucked

[Anonymous No.3307176]

>>3307133
>>3307125

Thanks, for some reason I thought contrast was bad in general.

[Anonymous No.3307183]

This may sound ridiculous to some, but would tracing over photos (as in real photos of subjects) with a tablet eventually teach me to draw anatomy?

Mostly interested in faces, and parts of faces.

[Anonymous No.3307190]

>>3307183
no

[Anonymous No.3307194]

>>3307153
>>3307158
finlay you're one of the slowest learners on /ic/
and that's saying something

[Anonymous No.3307205]

>>3306007
Don't make a big deal out of it. References are important. Studying from life to get the 3d sense is also important.

If you want to draw more from imagination, the important thing is that you have ideas you want to draw. If you have a character design or a story to tell, then obviously you won't be relying on references. This will naturally force you to draw from imagination.

[Anonymous No.3307210]

>>3307183
Not that much. It'll only help if you're using it as an exercise to illustrate the anatomy theory you already know before you're tracing. Pictures have distortion from the camera lens that don't exist in real life so photos are not the best way to learn to trace from. It can be a fine exercise to draw the underlying construction of muscles or bones/landmarks that you already have but to learn to draw by tracing photos is a no-no. It'll be obvious to everyone when you're placing lines that make no sense and show no sign of anatomy knowledge and construction.

It's fine to learn some things by tracing but you have to know what you are doing. You've got to be able to draw freehand for the trace to even come out well. Tracing something 10 times and then trying to draw it freehand will likely end up in a better result than trying it freehand 10 times and doing it poorly. You have to meet the tracing in the middle. There aren't shortcuts to learning.

[Anonymous No.3307212]

>>3306907
anyone?

[Anonymous No.3307246]

Can anyone give me some advice on how to approach Loomis books (especially figure drawing)
Are the text really important or I just need to observe the pictures and draw from references?

[Anonymous No.3307257]

In a figure drawing, how can I better show the weights of the figure like upon which leg their body is resting the majority of weight?

[Anonymous No.3307300]

>>3307257
Animators use a method called squashing and stretching where they slightly deform an object to imply the transference of energy/weight.

Of course in drawing it's a bit limited since you aren't working in multiple frames but the concept is still relevant. Soft things that are being pushed against other things deform a bit because the surface is being smushed up against something. Skin and fat are especially squishy.

Also think of how the figure is able to stand upright. Their limbs must have a certain stiffness/rigidity to withstand their own weight. You are drawing squishy meat sacks hanging from a thin and rigid foundation (the skeleton).

[Anonymous No.3307301]

>>3307109
Thank you anon.

>>3307165
My hand drawings are dogshit so far so I’m inquiring about what other people do to learn to draw hands. If yours looked as bad as mine then you would be too.

[Anonymous No.3307303]

For all the people I told to read Dynamic Anatomy by Burne Hogarth under the assumption that it was still available for free online, here's the link to download it. Sorry I kept you waiting, I've been distracted by Overwatch all weekend.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mwmz516nmmky9wc/Dynamic%20Anatomy.pdf?dl=0

If the link doesn't work it's because I'm retarded and don't know how to use dropbox.

[Anonymous No.3307305]

>>3307303
>distracted by Overwatch
grinding for the new skins nigga?

[Anonymous No.3307312]

Wip, doing some value studies (please don't mind the stains). I don't like to smudge because I want my drawings to have the "this is a drawing, not a photo" effect.
Is there something I should pay more attention to or improve? Am I missing something?

It's supposed to be Björk, by the way.

[Anonymous No.3307315]

>>3307312
>Am I missing something?

half the face seems to be missing

[Anonymous No.3307316]

>>3307305
You fuckin know it. I'm not even a genji main and I want that tiger skin.

[Anonymous No.3307320]

sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiifffff

[Anonymous No.3307322]

>>3307320
your orangutan brain took over and you went full on symbol drawing on those ass cheeks

[Anonymous No.3307335]

>>3307300
Yeah I understand squash and stretch. I try to have one side pinching and one side stretching but I struggle sometimes with showing the weight with legs. I just got up and acted out poses for a few minutes so I think I have a better idea of what to do next time. Laying down is especially difficult without establishing the context and even then some of the poses are rather contrived and go against what intuition would leave me to believe. I think I'll look more into the skin and fat lines, like Proko's bean twisting to imply more.

[Anonymous No.3307341]

>>3307320
Black skin with median blurring/beauty filters are heavily misleading your eyes. Try painting her legs with the base skin tone, then think of where the shadows actually are, then place the highlights. You've mistaken the regular skin tone and the reflection of the sun. Aside from that, draw the blanket to understand how her body is lying then you can better establish the perspective.

I used to think instagram photos were decent reference but cell phone cameras introduce a fuck ton of distortion and processing that make trying to do anything more than a color or illustration study really difficult. Grind them anatomy fundamentals before you start sniffposting again. It goes a long way being able to construct the body instead of drawing shapes.

[Anonymous No.3307347]

>>3305519
perspective exercise from imagination. Any critique is appreciated

[Anonymous No.3307348]

>>3306450
frogposting are we?

[Anonymous No.3307356]

mmmm uhggggg yesss yessssssssss

[Anonymous No.3307374]

How long does it take to become decent at drawing anime girl?

[Anonymous No.3307383]

>>3307356
Try drawing normal humans before moving on to grotesque humanoid monsters

[Anonymous No.3307387]

Anyone?

[Anonymous No.3307388]

>>3307356
Slow down and observe the angles. Also, what's going on with her breasts? Did you just stop thinking? Your lines are really rough, I'd even suggest lowering the brush size so you can be more accurate.

[Anonymous No.3307392]

>>3307388

[Anonymous No.3307396]

i don't want to draw upside down ugly sitting dudes

i just want to draw cute anime girls

[Anonymous No.3307401]

>>3307374
Depends on how much you practice drawing real life women. Anime is a simplification of reality and you can't draw a good simplification if you don't know how the real version looks.

So try to draw a woman and post it, then we will tell you where to go next.

[Anonymous No.3307402]

>>3307392
>Being this dumb

It's not about making it look perfect/like a photo, it's just about don't making it look fucking deformed.

(Not the anon you replied to).

[Anonymous No.3307405]

>>3307402
Calm down, anon. He's one of those modern artists. All the soy disrupts their cognitive faculties.

[Anonymous No.3307411]

>>3307405
facilities

cognitive facilities

[Anonymous No.3307414]

>>3307411
Jesus, it really is retarded.

[Anonymous No.3307424]

>>3307392
I swear to god, when I get the free time, I'm going to make a comprehensive guide on why visual drawing is important just so I can have an easily accessible response to idiots like you that try to discourage beginners from learning an extremely important skill for learning to draw.

Until then, post your fucking work you crab cunt.

[Anonymous No.3307425]

>>3307424

[Anonymous No.3307427]

>>3307425
Can you feel my eyes rolling from here anon?

[Anonymous No.3307433]

>>3307424
>alright mr. anon lets take a look at your portfolio
>wow these looks great! they are so photorealistic
>alright now im going to describe to you an imaginary animal and you'll have 10 minutes to draw a rough sheet of concept art
>no i dont have a photo for you, this animal is imaginary
>what do you mean you can't draw something unless you have a photo of it?

[Anonymous No.3307445]

>>3307433
anonymous image-boards were a mistake

[Anonymous No.3307447]

>>3307445
>anything that proves me wrong or hurts my feelings should be destroyed

[Anonymous No.3307450]

>>3307392
if this is your response to symbol drawing without understanding why measuring is important for you then you might as well stop drawing now lmao

[Anonymous No.3307451]

>>3307356
Stop drawing contour lines if you don't know how they work. They're supposed to describe the form of (usually) ellipses or other tubular forms.

[Anonymous No.3307458]

>>3307320

[Anonymous No.3307459]

>>3307392
never ever gonna make it

[Anonymous No.3307478]

>>3306189
His criticism made no sense.

[Anonymous No.3307485]

>>3307433
Okay, let me explain to you in detail why you are actually mentally challenged. Let's say for example you are shit at drawing, I don't think anyone is going to argue against that.

Let's say your drawings are nothing but symbols and lines with the confidence and control of Michael J. Fox on Ritalin. So you look up tutorials on how to draw people and find a detailed guide on all the working parts, muscles, bones, and the simple forms that they can be broken down into. So you try to replicate those, but uh oh, it still looks like complete shit.

Why does it still look like shit? Because you have not trained your eyes to accurately see what sits in front of your dipshit face because you didn't want to be one of those dumb photocopier guys. Can you learn to draw well without copying photos and drawing from life? Yeah sure, but it would probably take 20 years longer to accomplish. It would be the equivalent of trying to become Mr. Universe by lifting a single 5lbs ankle weight. Once you learn how to see with your eyes, you can actually LEARN something from the detailed tutorials and guides.

Now for your strawman, that you were too stupid to even use straw to make, you paste eating dunce. First of all, visual drawing is a BEGINNER skill, as previously explained. No professional artist photocopies because THEY DON'T NEED TO ANYMORE, and if they do so, they don't show anyone because it's specifically for a study. Second, an artist looking to get a job in concept art isn't going to put photo or life studies in his portfolio because it shows nothing of his skills as a concept artist. Finally, not even the most obnoxious and difficult client will force you to draw anything in 10 minutes and if they did, you can be certain that they never intended on paying you in the first place and anyone experienced in the entertainment industry understands these jobs take time, especially if their request is as stupid and vague as the one in your trash argument.

[Anonymous No.3307489]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODV6mxVVRZk

/agdg/ theme song

[Anonymous No.3307492]

>>3305519
Any tips? Im having issues with the neck/collar bone area

[Anonymous No.3307501]

>>3307492
ref

[Anonymous No.3307504]

From a figure drawing session today, first time on this board but I have done about 10 figure drawing sessions, this is the only time I draw or practice, in eighth grade I copied a symbol drawing method of drawing faces from a batsman comic (the first and only comic I've ever read). I occasionally drew faces in my notebook. I almost immediately recovered when I started fig drawing in August > as I had to visually draw bodies (never drawn them before) and symbol drawing during a live model session is something I think no beginner would even think to do, it's just obvious what the point is.

Any comments or critiques? I do have a few questions I will post below

[Anonymous No.3307506]

>>3307492
>>3307501
is ref another word for traced now?

[Anonymous No.3307510]

>>3307504
How do you give shape to an ass? This may be a figure drawing only problem because all shading is also form, but oftentimes the models Ass is very smooth, almost no lines, but I can see with my eyes that the ass is much larger and rounder han its outline makes it look. The only thing I have tried, is to, like on a topography map, draw a few lighter shade lines on the inside of the outline, otherwise wouldn't I have to shade my whole drawing and make the ass the lightest part, or am I conflating depth with shade?

[Anonymous No.3307514]

>>3307510
Here is a very poorly foreshortened example of what I mean

[Anonymous No.3307521]

>>3307506
ty anon, this actually helps!

>>3307510
>shape to an ass
Open the buttocks section of an anatomy book and look at a nice butt. Try to find the pattern, then try to draw the picture of the butt. Check the angles, proportions, and relationship to other points of the ref

[Anonymous No.3307522]

>>3307514
A technique that I find helpful when I can't get a grip on a very difficult pose is to do very quick exaggerated sketches first, I use very big strokes and make few "corrective" lines, here is an example where the order drawn is top left, right, bottom left.

Another question, I see the term "line confidence" being used on this board, if this means what I think it means I have a serious problem with it as I will draw and redraw lines, but it seems to me this is not an issue for beginner figure drawing, as I am just doing my best to have a drawing which portrays the shape I see. Or, is this a bad habit that will actually just make me lazy, because I know I can correct, this thought alone has provoked me to try the next session to make a few sketches with no corrections, so that I can more clearly see problems I have, or to see if that is better than what I'm doing now.

[Anonymous No.3307528]

>>3307521
So you think that the outline is actually fine at communicating the shape? My feeling was that a smooth ass with only the outline visible would need shading to communicate depth, but I will try doing what you said.

[Anonymous No.3307540]

>>3307522
Stop stop stop stop stop. Just stop. Okay, you are on a really bad path right now and if you want to really improve, I want you to listen to me. You NEED to learn visual drawing. Fuck those dumb crab cunts and their photocopier memes. This is exactly what I was talking about in my rant above.

First, I want to tell you good job for doing your own research and trying to grasp advanced techniques. This is a good thing and you shouldn't feel bad about being experimental because that is extremely important for your development. But unless you have a foundation, you won't be able to utilize the things you learn from research and studies.

Look at the Traditional Drawing section on https://www.ctrlpaint.com/

The lessons are mundane but they teach you how to see more accurately and understand 3d forms. Just watch the videos and do the exercises with patience. They are free and will significantly help you. Don't forget to post as you go.

[Anonymous No.3307543]

sup?

[Anonymous No.3307544]

>>3307543
head is way small and weirdly shaped. on top of other errors.

[Anonymous No.3307546]

Are these prices reasonable? Was thinking of taking one for figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.3307551]

>>3305582
HE SLICK DABBIN ON EM

[Anonymous No.3307552]

>>3307544
such as?

[Anonymous No.3307554]

>>3307540
I'm not sure I understood your post. I like the section of the website you linked me to and will try some of these exercises, but if I understood your post correctly, I am not sure how I suggested that I intended to do anything other draw as best as I can what I see. For the record, other than the face symbols I learned as a kid, I have read 0 books and watched 0 videos and use 0 official techniques. I just look at what other people at the session do and I know some basic art terms. just go in the studio and draw.

Is this how you understood what I was saying I did? What do you mean I'm on a bad path?

[Anonymous No.3307559]

>>3307554
You have to consciously study art. Not pick it up through intuition like videogames or something.

[Anonymous No.3307574]

>>3307347
Looks awesome anon :)

[Anonymous No.3307581]

>>3306305
purple-yoshi-draws

[Anonymous No.3307585]

[Anonymous No.3307596]

>>3307559
But I'm not studying art throug intuition I thought my earlier posts made it clear that I think a great deal about my drawings and I actively have questions that I go into every session asking and trying to answer, what's wrong with self-consciousness? I understand that I will be repeating a lot of work but isn't it worth it to potentially have my own style of natural portrayal?

[Anonymous No.3307597]

How are my proportions? I know using lined paper is not the best, but I used it to calculate 8 lines to cover the entire page.

[Anonymous No.3307598]

>>3305601
>Dynamic Sketching course by Peter Han
Does cgp have this?

[Anonymous No.3307600]

>>3307597
I just realized this was heavily compressed. Dammit.

[Anonymous No.3307603]

Are these watercolors? Pencil colors? Or what?

[Anonymous No.3307605]

>>3307603
is that ricegum?

[Anonymous No.3307608]

>>3307605
No I'm pretty sure it's a kpop singer, I think it's taehyung from BTS but im not certain.

[Anonymous No.3307618]

>>3306128
Find a reference photo of anything you like and just do your best to draw it. Try using new drawing materials like a fountain pen, watercolor, brush pens, ect.

[Anonymous No.3307635]

>>3307246
Read it you lazy fuck.

[Anonymous No.3307661]

>>3307153
>>3307158
>ugly sponginess to the shapes
Please clarify.

>>3307603
Looks like water color.

[Anonymous No.3307664]

I just started Loomis.
Am I doing this right?
I tried doing some "originals"

[Anonymous No.3307678]

>>3307664
Do a bunch of pic related, where you draw the whole way around the ball.

[Anonymous No.3307684]

I can't even draw a fruit.

[Anonymous No.3307689]

>>3307664
dude really don't get caught up on those fucking 1920s meme faces. just take the ball idea and the later construction and make your own faces based off references.

[Anonymous No.3307702]

How's this?

[Anonymous No.3307703]

>>3307702
I'm sorry it really isn't rotated on my phone. It just posts it that way when I upload it.

[Anonymous No.3307711]

Thank you. I'll do my best.

[Flip No.3307713]

Here's mine

[Anonymous No.3307716]

>>3307684
What does it look like when someone can?

[Anonymous No.3307717]

>>3307702
You might as well pick up photography instead.

[Anonymous No.3307718]

>>3307702
Don't listen to the crab who replied to you.
This is looking pretty good, but the values are very vague, you should up your contrast in some parts so that it looks better.
Good luck. And it's ok for beginners to "photocopy". It's a sure way to get faster to one's goal of drawing from imagination.

[Flip No.3307719]

>>3307713
rotated

[Anonymous No.3307720]

>>3307719
Eyes are unequal. Make your values darker. Pretty good shading, though. The ear at the right doesn't look like an ear. The right side of the face is mostly unequal in general.
However, this is pretty damn good for a beginner. Keep going.

[Flip No.3307721]

>>3307720
I can't make my values much darker because it will ruin the paper. I only have a regular no. 2 pencil. Thanks for reminding me about the right ear.

[Anonymous No.3307724]

>>3307721
What do you mean? Are you using thin paper or something?

[Anonymous No.3307725]

>>3307718
Thanks, it's my first drawing in months. Tryna get my rhythm back.

[Anonymous No.3307726]

>>3307725
I believe in you!

[Anonymous No.3307727]

>>3307721
Trust me. Get those drawing pencils. It's worth it.

[Anonymous No.3307731]

Is it impossible to shade using a mechanical pencil? I love using it for lineart and sketching but I can never seem to use it properly for shading.

[Flip No.3307732]

>>3307724
yeah

[Anonymous No.3307734]

>>3307732
Oh, well, draw something on thicker paper next time, so you can learn to use values better. Why not get a sketchbook?

[Flip No.3307736]

>>3307727
someone told me before that it's not the pencil that matters but the skill. He also said that drawing pencils are just memes. That's why I don't them.

[Anonymous No.3307738]

>>3307736
Drawing pencils have better values. You shouldn't generally listen to people who call things like that "memes".

[Anonymous No.3307740]

>>3306005
picture is better, dont post gif.
you should ignore that first guys critique though.

[Flip No.3307743]

>>3307734
I was told that materials doesn't matter but the skill so i just use any paper I can find

[Anonymous No.3307744]

>>3307743
Come on man, use your common sense, that's just not true. That only applies to things like expensive materials, for example you don't need a super expensive pencil to draw well. But you recognized that darkening the values will ruin the paper, so if you want to make your art look better you need to use thicker paper. And you CAN use a regular number 2 if you really can't be assed to buy drawing pencils, just know that buying drawing pencils will make your journey easier.

[Flip No.3307746]

>>3307738
thanks, I will buy one soon.

[Anonymous No.3307747]

>>3305604
by looking at skinny or muscular people and trying to understand depth.

also that elbow is wrong and triceps are concave towards the elbow, they dont bulge out like that.

Final note, finish your drawings first before asking for help.
Not much for me to point out since you're not done.

[Anonymous No.3307748]

>>3307743
I don't want to sound rude but try new things! Don't let people stop you from trying out art materials. Have fun playing with different pens and pencils, try judging paper from multiple sketchbooks by touching and feeling them even if you don't know what you're doing. You'll do great that way.

[Flip No.3307749]

>>3307744
What thicker paper should I buy?

[Anonymous No.3307750]

>>3307749
To be honest, any thick paper will do. I use "premium" paper but it's a wee bit more expensive (I actually forgot the brand name). You really can just use any thicker paper, but it would be real nice if it was smooth. Try different things.

[Anonymous No.3307753]

Is drawing worth it or is it a waste of time?

[Flip No.3307754]

>>3307750
I was told before about something about toothy and smooth paper. what is the difference?

[Anonymous No.3307755]

>>3307753
What does your heart tell you?
>>3307754
Rougher paper gives you lesser smooth lines in general, and lesser line confidence. The smoother the line the better, and it's easier to achieve that on smooth paper.

[Anonymous No.3307758]

>>3307167
The collar bones need to be concave
both trapezius need to be convex
the ear is way too high
the lips and nose have no depth
the face is shaped like a triangle with zero bonestructure

Anime girls have chins and jawlines, dont try to think this is an artstyle thing, its not,

[Anonymous No.3307759]

>>3307153
possibly because of low dpi??

[Anonymous No.3307760]

>>3307755
I know I can't be an awesome artist. I can't understand why people keep drawing even though their drawings are terrible.

[Anonymous No.3307761]

>>3307030
reminds me of papers please

[Flip No.3307762]

>>3307760
Because we are all bad at drawing at the start and drawing when you're bad makes you improve.

[Anonymous No.3307765]

>>3307760
A winner isnt someone who wins alot
a winner is someone who keeps losing until they win
So you either stay a fucking loser or you keep trying until you win bitch.

U stay bad or you git gud

[Anonymous No.3307768]

>>3307760
Everyone can be an awesome artist.
The catch is, you have to work really hard to get there.
Are you willing to work hard? Or will you just stay in your comfort zone forever?
Think about these questions carefully.

[Anonymous No.3307775]

Is there any bad habit I should avoid as a beginner?

[Anonymous No.3307779]

>>3307775
Yeah, taking breaks from drawing is pretty bad habit.

[Anonymous No.3307780]

>>3307775
Not drawing everyday or almost everyday.

[Anonymous No.3307784]

>>3307775
Perfectionism.

[Anonymous No.3307789]

I compare myself to others a lot and lose my motivation.

[Anonymous No.3307796]

>>3307485
the dunce got btfo and ran away like a bitch

[Anonymous No.3307797]

>>3307789
Just stop caring. Humanity in the future will have genetically engineered individuals with absurdly high IQ. Pretty much everything you do in this day and age doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.3307805]

>>3307731
I'm still /beg/-tier, but I've always noticed when working with my mechanical pencil that you can get a really dark shade if you use a sharp edge of the graphite.

[Anonymous No.3307806]

>>3307805
What kind of grip do you use?

[Anonymous No.3307809]

>>3307789
Comparisons to another thats a-okay
but not learning from another will ruin your day

[Anonymous No.3307810]

>>3307806
Just a normal grip, but when one side of the point wears down, you can rotate the pencil around to other, sharper side.

[Anonymous No.3307818]

Does the self-loathing ever stop?

[Anonymous No.3307826]

>>3307818
No.

[Anonymous No.3307827]

>>3307810
Ah, I see, thank you. I should've noticed sooner.
Thanks very much, anon.

[Anonymous No.3307828]

>>3307818
When you develop a moral sense of right and wrong for drawing, they will.

[Anonymous No.3307829]

Let's draw something!

[Anonymous No.3307831]

>>3307827
You're welcome, anon, hope it helps!

[Anonymous No.3307832]

How many hours do you draw per day?

[Anonymous No.3307834]

>>3307818
Do you like yourself?

[Anonymous No.3307835]

>>3307832
Usually 3-5. When I'm tired or I don't have much time, just 30 mins to 1 hour.

[Anonymous No.3307836]

>>3307834
No, I hate myself and have almost no self-esteem. I try my best to work hard anyway because I have dreams and goals.

[Anonymous No.3307839]

>>3307835
same

[Anonymous No.3307840]

>>3307839
I'm quite the slow learner though so it feels like it's taking forever for me to get to something half-decent.

[Anonymous No.3307842]

>>3307840
How long have you been drawing for?

[Anonymous No.3307844]

>>3307842
2 months.
To prove I'm slow: I didn't understand how to start Loomis until today.

[Anonymous No.3307867]

>>3307844
Bro don't feel bad. It took me 3 months to find a learning schedule that worked before I could even start on something as basic as Loomis.

[Anonymous No.3307868]

>>3307867
How long have you been drawing?
I do feel bad that I didn't understand Loomis until months later, even though people say it's a book for kids and total beginners.

[Anonymous No.3307869]

Loomis is too difficult for a beginner.

[Anonymous No.3307870]

>>3307869
What would you recommend instead?

[Anonymous No.3307872]

>>3307869
I wouldn't say that. You just have to take it slow is all.

[Anonymous No.3307873]

>>3307868
About since last October. I started with Draw a Meme and lost a lot of time. I should have just followed the advice of draw what you want at first then study how to draw it.

[Anonymous No.3307877]

>>3307873
Do you mind sharing your progress so far? I'm very interested.
All of the art people I know are intermediate to advanced, so there's no way I can compare to them.

[Anonymous No.3307885]

new thread because going to sleep and this is at 300

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[Anonymous No.3307887]

>>3307877
Honestly my progress is almost nonexistent. Most of the stuff I've been doing is just exercises and draw a box up until now. I can barely visually measure anything.

[Anonymous No.3307888]

>>3307870
Drawing from life.

[Anonymous No.3307890]

>>3307887
Same here. I can draw some okayish still-lifes but that's it.
But I believe that eventually with hard work and dedication, we're all gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.3307893]

>>3307887
Is it fun? Do you enjoy drawing?

[Anonymous No.3307901]

>>3307890
Do you mind sharing your progress so far? I'm very interested.

[Anonymous No.3307906]

>>3307901
I've been trying to do Loomis (I'm >>3307664) but this is my latest still-life.

[Anonymous No.3307909]

>>3307893
Yeah it's fun now. Otherwise I would have left it back in 2017.

[Anonymous No.3307929]

Something I recently drew but still need to edit in photophop and crop out the background.

[Anonymous No.3307966]

How I draw without guidelines?

[Anonymous No.3308057]

>>3307966
memory?

use guidelines and references at first until you understand the intricacies of what you are drawing

[Anonymous No.3308653]

in loomis drawing with a pencil, he stresses that how you draw your circle isn't very important and that you can work around that. however, he also says
>By building preliminary shapes and developing the outlines on them, we know WHERE TO DRAW OUR REAL LINES
my question is, do I redraw the lines I previously incorrectly drew to more closely resemble his final drawings? or do I just make my own "spin" on his final drawings? maybe unrelated but maybe I just need to understand his purpose of this exercise, is he teaching me how to draw anything I want or is he teaching me how to copy others work easier?

[Anonymous No.3308731]

>>3305747
I'm not the original guy, but what should I be looking for in my drawing of Stravinsky?

[Anonymous No.3309648]

>>3305519
i have always been told that i am "talented" when i used to draw (i was like 9 at the time)
just got back into drawing recently and got a drawing tablet (for 3D modeling at first) this is my first drawing since then
its not meant to be realistic nor i am interested in realistic art
but i want to know since i am struggling to find a career would art be worth getting into now or is to late (i am 18 now almost 19)

[Anonymous No.3309656]

>>3309648
You could probably make it in porn if you release things every day, and practice afterwards.
Or go to an art school (even if you get denied the first time, just learn your fundies, and try again.)
Make sure it's something that you want to do though.
Art degrees don't give you any more pay than a High School diploma, and put you into debt.
Right now your art is shit, and I think you know that.
Start with Fun with Pencil by Andrew Loomis.